Ok, forget what I wrote : it was only my 2 cents... Antoine Sabot-Durand
Le 6 avr. 2011 à 23:52, Shane Bryzak <[email protected]> a écrit : > On 06/04/11 19:22, Antoine Sabot-Durand wrote: >> Hi Shane, >> >> Your vision is pretty cool, but I'm not sure to understand your means to >> achieve it. >> Do you want to develop the platform from scratch on GAE or use an existing >> collaborative plateform ? >> >> I love the idea of using Seam and java EE to create such a platform (I could >> see a lot of project were I could reuse it ;-) ) for this university but >> don't you think it's a very big project and that it's very similar with the >> Seam Wiki example / project that host seamframework.org and in.relation.to >> today ? > > It will have some similarities to functionality provided by > seamframework.org, but much more accessible. It's honestly not going to be > that complex (the key is to keep things simple) and I don't think it will be > a significant development effort. Most of the time will be spent on > usability analysis I imagine. > >> IMHO to be realistic and result focus we should start on an existing >> platform. Either with a web standard platform that will not be in Java >> (wordpress, drupal, etc...) or better with a solution based on Java like >> jives or even better exo-platform (built on top of gatein portal). An other >> solution would be to port Seam Wiki from Seam 2 to Seam 3 and make it >> evolves t meet our needs... > > Unfortunately none of these solutions offer the functionality that I want the > site to provide. The Seam 2 wiki example is too over-engineered for the > simpler requirements of the new site (not to mention is based on JSF, which I > don't want to use). > >> Concerning the cloud platform, I'm not very found of GAE, because it's very >> restrictive and a proprietary version of Java EE (datastore, thread >> management, bad JSF support, no EJB support...) and is not in the spirit of >> Java EE. Amazon's Elasticbeanstalk or some of your Redhat / JBoss cloud >> solution looks better to me. In the case we would like to promote the dev >> part a solution like cloudbees could also a good solution to me. It would be >> nice to have a part of the site build around Seam Forge and that could allow >> user to test, share code (a kind of Github with possibility to run code). A >> kind of Seam Genius Bar ;-). > > Using GAE was just an idea, I'm not set on it by any means and am happy for > us to consider alternatives such as Amazon. I picked GAE out of the air > because a) it's popular with a lot of developers and it would be nice to have > a "real" CDI/Seam example running on this platform, and b) its free quotas > are quite generous. > >> I keep in mind that the coming Java EE 7 will be about cloud, so if we want >> to communicate and promote this we have to choose an environment that will >> probably follow this path. >> >> To finish, I'm not very found of having resources split between multiple >> sites and users experience and I think we should look for a solution that >> will host all Seam resources to give an image of professionalism and >> coherence. > > The key with creating a successful Seam knowledgebase site is to have it > owned by the community. If we host it at jboss.org then I'm certain it will > work against this goal. That's not to say though that we can't link between > the two. Also, I want to support OpenID (and the new OAuth features you've > been working on) on the new site, which we can't do on jboss.org. > >> >> >> Antoine SABOT-DURAND >> --------------------------------------- >> Twitter ; http://twitter.com/antoine_sd >> LinkedIn : http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand >> >> >> >> Le 6 avr. 2011 � 10:14, Shane Bryzak a �crit : >> >>> Now that the Seam final release has been out for about a week (and I've >>> had a chance to gather my wits), I've been thinking a bit about what we >>> should do with the seamframework.org web site. I think that we're all >>> in agreement that we need to do something, however the devil is in the >>> details - it's plain to me that we can't do a straight migration of all >>> content to the jboss.org community site and still retain all the value >>> that the current site provides. >>> >>> Essentially, the contents of the site can be broken down into a few >>> categories: >>> >>> 1. Forums >>> 2. Knowledgebase >>> 3. Marketing >>> 4. Reference - links to documentation, downloads, Maven artifacts, etc >>> >>> I believe that 1, 3 and 4 are the types of content that we can >>> successfully host on the jboss.org infrastructure (still accessible from >>> www.seamframework.org), in a similar way that hibernate.org does it. >>> What I don't believe that we can host there is the knowledgebase. I >>> think that this is one area where we're currently failing our community, >>> and that we have the potential to make vast improvements on. >>> >>> This is where Seam University comes in. My vision for this is to build >>> a site that is run with the same collaborative community effort that has >>> exploded into existence as a result of Seam 3. This would be a site >>> where Seam users could submit their own articles, tutorials and tips for >>> using Seam, and have it properly indexed via a powerful keyword search >>> algorithm (this bit is quite important). I know we have in.relation.to, >>> but the problem with this site is a) only a select few can submit >>> content to it, b) new content falls off the radar quite quickly and c) >>> it's mainly centered around product announcements. >>> >>> As for hosting this, my preference would be to use Google App Engine so >>> that the site could double up in purpose as being a showcase of CDI/Seam >>> technology in the cloud. >>> >>> Anyway, these are my initial thoughts on this subject and I would really >>> love to hear some feedback on these ideas. So don't be shy to let me >>> know what you think. :) >>> >>> Shane >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seam-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev > _______________________________________________ seam-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev
