Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
I agree with you, Simon. Kw On 05/04/2008, at 21:59, duf duf wrote: It's amazing . . does anyone like anything on this list. Maybe the 313 t-shirt should be .. "don't like it on 313" .. beatless humour aside .. I was thinking the other day that we might be getting genre confused with technique. ie. minimal is a technique like dub is a technique Alot of the slash/techno/electronic music I hear nowadays can belong to a different genre depending on who you talk to, what tempo you play it at .. and possibly what medium you play it with. I'll bet if it's on vinyl its techno, downloaded it's electro and if you play it off a laptop then it's minimal . I mean seriously the repetitive complaints I keep hearing about laptop dj's or copy cat stylists .. and references to the same single dubstep producer is wearing me thin. I've been beat up around here before . for saying this, but the music is moving. It's doing new things, in a million different ways. Beatport is only one black hole of a dozen where new players can loose their credibility to the hype. It used to be Magazines, or lists like this. However nowadays you can pick your sound, lift you ideas from a global pool and drop your tracks back into the same pool. I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house, techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you might want to mention. For me genres change between bars of a track. cut out the high hats and it's techno, pull out the mids and its minimal. Take out the bass & the highs sing some vocals and your in the middle of a trance track ?? Dub is a genre of music, but it's also a studio technique that can be transported across many different genres of music. The current era of music can mean everyone is a producer in their bedroom. So what I think we are hearing is people using the same sort of production techniques across similar tempo's and styles of music. What else are we too expect given the technology, history and culture of the music? I just think we might get more life out of electronic music if we start to look at some of the processes going on as the use of techniques as opposed to genreification followed by quick dismissal. Currently I am enjoying the sounds classified as minimal because they provide a group of tracks that enable me to play sets that contain a lot of spatial texture. The use of reverbs, delays, stripped out melody modes and monotonic rhythms enable out board sample layering and the use of off beats on the other deck to construct the type of sets I have wanted too for years. Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to do the hard work in the studio. The likes of Lee Perry lead the way by just dubbing an existing sound, opening the door for one knob wonders the world over. In this regard , yes, the use of minimalist techniques by many producers is tedious but no more than the 303 when it was flavour or the cow bell or siren or filters . etc etc. We listen to techno music, we listen to machines and plead desperately for soul. You can't have your drum machine and beat it too. .simon
Re: (313) Sebastien Leger's Jaguar
It's a cover. Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 06/04/2008, at 3:10 AM, Christopher O'Grady wrote: Sebastien Leger - Jaguar (Original Mix) is #1 on beatport... *Original Mix" ? UR is not mentioned. The artist field only shows Mr. Leger. *Scratches chin* __ __ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
dont forget about mentioning brooklyn or berlin. and the ratio of clashing colors made in downtown la to the diameter of your pant cuff. On 4/5/08, duf duf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's amazing . . does anyone like anything on this list. > > Maybe the 313 t-shirt should be .. > > "don't like it on 313" > > .. > > beatless humour aside .. I was thinking the other day that we > might be getting genre confused with technique. > > ie. minimal is a technique like dub is a technique > > Alot of the slash/techno/electronic music I hear nowadays > can belong to a different genre depending on who you talk > to, what tempo you play it at .. and possibly what medium > you play it with. > > I'll bet if it's on vinyl its techno, downloaded it's electro and > if you play it off a laptop then it's minimal . > > I mean seriously the repetitive complaints I keep hearing > about laptop dj's or copy cat stylists .. and references to > the same single dubstep producer is wearing me thin. > > I've been beat up around here before . for saying this, but > the music is moving. It's doing new things, in a million > different ways. Beatport is only one black hole of a dozen > where new players can loose their credibility to the hype. > > It used to be Magazines, or lists like this. However nowadays > you can pick your sound, lift you ideas from a global pool > and drop your tracks back into the same pool. > > I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house, > techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you > might want to mention. > > For me genres change between bars of a track. cut out the > high hats and it's techno, pull out the mids and its minimal. > Take out the bass & the highs sing some vocals and your > in the middle of a trance track ?? > > Dub is a genre of music, but it's also a studio technique that > can be transported across many different genres of music. > > The current era of music can mean everyone is a producer > in their bedroom. So what I think we are hearing is people > using the same sort of production techniques across similar > tempo's and styles of music. > > What else are we too expect given the technology, history > and culture of the music? > > I just think we might get more life out of electronic music > if we start to look at some of the processes going on as the > use of techniques as opposed to genreification followed by > quick dismissal. > > Currently I am enjoying the sounds classified as minimal > because they provide a group of tracks that enable me to play > sets that contain a lot of spatial texture. > > The use of reverbs, delays, stripped out melody modes and > monotonic rhythms enable out board sample layering and > the use of off beats on the other deck to construct the type > of sets I have wanted too for years. > > Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to > do the hard work in the studio. > > The likes of Lee Perry lead the way by just dubbing an existing > sound, opening the door for one knob wonders the world over. > > In this regard , yes, the use of minimalist techniques by many > producers is tedious but no more than the 303 when it was > flavour or the cow bell or siren or filters . etc etc. > > We listen to techno music, we listen to machines and plead > desperately for soul. > > You can't have your drum machine and beat it too. > > .simon > > > > > > > > > -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
> I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house, > techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you > might want to mention. well, if it ain't made in detroit, by people from detroit, it probably ain't detroit. pretty straightforward there. i can't help you with the others. > Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to > do the hard work in the studio. That is not a fact. There are tons of DJs who subscribe to the David Mancuso school of DJing, or at least lean primarily that way. (I don't happen to be one of them) peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) minimal suxs like dub
It's amazing . . does anyone like anything on this list. Maybe the 313 t-shirt should be .. "don't like it on 313" .. beatless humour aside .. I was thinking the other day that we might be getting genre confused with technique. ie. minimal is a technique like dub is a technique Alot of the slash/techno/electronic music I hear nowadays can belong to a different genre depending on who you talk to, what tempo you play it at .. and possibly what medium you play it with. I'll bet if it's on vinyl its techno, downloaded it's electro and if you play it off a laptop then it's minimal . I mean seriously the repetitive complaints I keep hearing about laptop dj's or copy cat stylists .. and references to the same single dubstep producer is wearing me thin. I've been beat up around here before . for saying this, but the music is moving. It's doing new things, in a million different ways. Beatport is only one black hole of a dozen where new players can loose their credibility to the hype. It used to be Magazines, or lists like this. However nowadays you can pick your sound, lift you ideas from a global pool and drop your tracks back into the same pool. I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house, techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you might want to mention. For me genres change between bars of a track. cut out the high hats and it's techno, pull out the mids and its minimal. Take out the bass & the highs sing some vocals and your in the middle of a trance track ?? Dub is a genre of music, but it's also a studio technique that can be transported across many different genres of music. The current era of music can mean everyone is a producer in their bedroom. So what I think we are hearing is people using the same sort of production techniques across similar tempo's and styles of music. What else are we too expect given the technology, history and culture of the music? I just think we might get more life out of electronic music if we start to look at some of the processes going on as the use of techniques as opposed to genreification followed by quick dismissal. Currently I am enjoying the sounds classified as minimal because they provide a group of tracks that enable me to play sets that contain a lot of spatial texture. The use of reverbs, delays, stripped out melody modes and monotonic rhythms enable out board sample layering and the use of off beats on the other deck to construct the type of sets I have wanted too for years. Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to do the hard work in the studio. The likes of Lee Perry lead the way by just dubbing an existing sound, opening the door for one knob wonders the world over. In this regard , yes, the use of minimalist techniques by many producers is tedious but no more than the 303 when it was flavour or the cow bell or siren or filters . etc etc. We listen to techno music, we listen to machines and plead desperately for soul. You can't have your drum machine and beat it too. .simon
Re: (313) Jared Wilson
playing wow - Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 5:58 PM Subject: (313) Jared Wilson I heard, years ago, an excellent mix recorded by Jarde Wilson. It started with an AFX's remix for a Bug tune (run the place red) and some great dancehall riddims from that time, then moves to some great technoish sounds. I also bought a 12", that i found lost in a store, with some great tunes by him, when i was in Paris. Anyone knows what else he's been doing?
(313) Jared Wilson
I heard, years ago, an excellent mix recorded by Jarde Wilson. It started with an AFX's remix for a Bug tune (run the place red) and some great dancehall riddims from that time, then moves to some great technoish sounds. I also bought a 12", that i found lost in a store, with some great tunes by him, when i was in Paris. Anyone knows what else he's been doing?
Re: (313) Sebastien Leger's Jaguar
taken from the Submerge site: "Also recently we've recieved a rash of "Jaguar" bootleg sightings! but this time we are happy to report...Its all good. Sebastian Leger who has done a "legal cover" version of Jaguar not only called for permission but faced the scrutiny of the UR high command. We applaud his honesty and wish him well. BUT dont forget the Po folk here at Submerge if ya need a copy of the original they are still available from us!!" P. On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Christopher O'Grady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sebastien Leger - Jaguar (Original Mix) is #1 on beatport... > > *Original Mix" ? > > UR is not mentioned. The artist field only shows Mr. Leger. > > *Scratches chin* > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
RE: (313) Sebastien Leger's Jaguar
Sebastien Leger - Jaguar (Original Mix) is #1 on beatport... *Original Mix" ? UR is not mentioned. The artist field only shows Mr. Leger. *Scratches chin* Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
RE: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Yes, very much. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 04 April 2008 22:32 To: 313 Mailing List <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: (313) Chill Out Rooms Does anyone miss them at events? I do, I'd really love to play a slow long 3hr set to bend some heads. m
RE: (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apologies to everyone on the list for this. I lost my phone and all accounts had to be reset so I guess that is the reason. Mislav -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 12:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED] EZMLM already killed his subscriptions due to bounces On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:32 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > someone (Kent?) want to tell him to unsub his blackberry > > I got about ten bounce notices > > MEK > >
(313) Just Wild Kingdom...
Last week's Wild Kingdom playlist is at http://www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=29934 . This week's set features Miss Dinky, Shyza Minelli, Velocette, Black Dog (Remixed), Rob Hood, Mauser (thanks, Generator), Heiko Laux, Beta Bodega Coalition, Damon Wild, Thee J. Johanz, and a touch more. Check the event calendar at KFJC for upcoming specials during the month of May. I'm doing a special on bands/tracks with synth names (remember?), and a 3-part Acid special. "The Wild Kingdom" airs on KFJC-FM 89.7, Saturday night/Sunday Morning, 12A-3A (7A-10A GMT). The webcast is at www.kfjc.org (follow the links). Present and past Wild Kingdom playlists are also archived there. You can also check out archived playlists from my first KFJC show "Just Desserts" that aired on Fridays 10P-2A from 1992 through 1999. Archived playlists exist for that show starting from Fall 1995 to New Year's Eve 1999/2000. If you do tune in (especially via the web), please take a little time to let me know your locale. I'm also interested in promo music from all over and in promoting local (San Francisco Bay area) techno-type events. If you want to do some fairly serious promotion, contact the KFJC promotions department at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to arrange ticket giveaways and/or to send information for inclusion in our concert outlook. Thanks to those who have sent promo music so far. Regards, Richard Hester "Mr. Goodwrench" "The Wild Kingdom" SU 12A-3A KFJC-FM 89.7, Los Altos Hills, California
Re: (313) Short Rob Hood interview in XLR8R
Nice find, always good to see Rob get some coverage. m Greg Earle wrote: Short and to the point: http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2008/03/q-robert-hood - Greg
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Frank Glazer wrote: were you reading http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2008/04/can-somebody-please-direct-me-to-chill.html earlier today martin? :) No, just listening to a load of stuff I'd like to play out but wouldn't really have a chance to, guess I should just sort some mixes. m