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[Ken Hohhof]

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:28 PM mailto:fiber...@mail.com> 
> wrote:

Revenue bonds aren't paid out of the general fund.


Jared

> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 
> From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >
> To: af@af.afmug.com  
> Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt 
> funded fiber - Utopia
>
> Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were 
> issued) out of general revenue funds. If the  funds used to pay bonds 
> take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded 
> at all.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com   wrote:
> > I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from services 
> > that really matter to the public.
> >
> >
> > Jared
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024
> > From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> >
> > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"  >  >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> >
> > Everything’s political now, of course.
> >   
> > But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband networks 
> > cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services 
> > that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, 
> > water and sewer.”
> >   
> > In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer 
> > expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the 
> > space program.  Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the 
> > moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might 
> > wish government to fix.  I sometimes wonder why Internet?  Maybe because it 
> > seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars.  
> > Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the 
> > deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program?
> >   
> > Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a future 
> > where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of those 
> > other things.  Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama.
> >   
> >
> > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
> > Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> > To: Josh Luthman  >  >; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
> > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  ; John Brewer  >  >
> > Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> >   
> >
> > I am surprised they have never broke even.
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> >   
> >
> > From: Josh Luthman
> >
> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> >
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com  
> > [mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com  ]
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> >
> >   
> >
> > Article: 
> > https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/]
> >  
> > 
> >  
> >
> >   
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF  >  [mailto:af@af.afmug.com  
> > ]> wrote:
> > By John Dougall
> >
> > For the Deseret News
> >
> > Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential
> > government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by
> > the private sector.
> >
> > Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments
> > are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous
> > private-sector providers being available.
> >
> > The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and
> > taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband
> > networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from
> > services that really matter to the public — services such as police and
> > fire, roads, water and sewer.
> >
> > Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here
> > in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA.

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[Ryan Ray]

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On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:28 PM  wrote:

> Revenue bonds aren't paid out of the general fund.
>
>
> Jared
>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024
> > From: "Bill Prince" 
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM***
> Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> >
> > Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were
> > issued) out of general revenue funds. If the  funds used to pay bonds
> > take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded
> > at all.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> > > I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from
> services that really matter to the public.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024
> > > From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> > > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber -
> Utopia
> > >
> > > Everything’s political now, of course.
> > >
> > > But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband
> networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from
> services that really matter to the public — services such as police and
> fire, roads, water and sewer.”
> > >
> > > In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer
> expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the
> space program.  Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the
> moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might
> wish government to fix.  I sometimes wonder why Internet?  Maybe because it
> seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars.
> Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the
> deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program?
> > >
> > > Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a
> future where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of
> those other things.  Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> > > To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave
> Users Group 
> > > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com; John Brewer 
> > > Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> > >
> > >
> > > I am surprised they have never broke even.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Josh Luthman
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> > >
> > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > >
> > > Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com[mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com]
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Article:
> https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF  [mailto:af@af.afmug.com]> wrote:
> > > By John Dougall
> > >
> > > For the Deseret News
> > >
> > > Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential
> > > government services and stay out of enterprises that are better
> performed by
> > > the private sector.
> > >
> > > Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more
> governments
> > > are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous
> > > private-sector providers being available.
> > >
> > > The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and
> > > taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned
> broadband
> > > networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away
> from
> > > services that really matter to the public — services such as police and
> > > fire, roads, water and sewer.
> > >
> > > Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right
> here
> > > in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA.
> > >
> > > In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services
> to
> > > homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring
> > > service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the
> city’s
> > > telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to
> finance
> > > the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable,
> iProvo
> > > was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the
> sale, and
> > > iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to
> free
> > > itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to
> Google for
> > > $1.
> > >
> > > Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency)
> was
> > > launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of
> cities.
> > > But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two
> decades now.
> > > The project, which started