Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Jerry Head]

I would take it in a heartbeat.
900mhz.

On 3/13/2018 7:11 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was 
very little point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to 
talk to a 2X FSK radio at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 
450AP.    We are finding it painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for 
the same reason and are having to pull those off the network due to 
the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we can do that 
gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 450i 
or 450m AP.


Mark

On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com 
<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>> wrote:


We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!

Matt
*From:*Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>>*On 
Behalf Of*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
<mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:


FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430
would connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You
didn’t get all the cool features of the 450, but the clients
worked.  ePMP is following the same philosophy.  If anyone out
there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with some great
promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some
pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
www.mtin.net

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility
with ePMP 2000.
This document is from January though so maybe that firmware
will be a little later like Q2.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make
it happen. Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.



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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Steve Jones]

I concur

On Mar 12, 2018 8:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> You know I love me some sweet sweet Cambium gear, but I have to make fun
> as much as possible.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
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> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis <matt.mangriotis@
> cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>>
>>
>> *cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>>
>> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
>> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
>> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
>> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
>> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
>> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>>
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>>
>>
>> www.mtin.net
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtin.net=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cc29503f7f6e14896ad1708d58832e0de%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C636564674472844147=oLbxcpHAt54B2vA8l4102RaLJbS9qFE2%2Fc9xJOsYqCY%3D=0>
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>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
>> 2000.
>>
>>
>>
>> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
>> little later like Q2.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
>> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Sean Heskett]

Yeah totally agree



On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 6:11 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:

> To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very
> little point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X
> FSK radio at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are
> finding it painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are
> having to pull those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.
> It’s nice that we can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want
> to have FSK SM’s on a 450i or 450m AP.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
> matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!
>
> 
> Matt
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
> *cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>
> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtin.net=02%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cc29503f7f6e14896ad1708d58832e0de%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C636564674472844147=oLbxcpHAt54B2vA8l4102RaLJbS9qFE2%2Fc9xJOsYqCY%3D=0>
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>
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Paul McCall]

That is correct Mark.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very little 
point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X FSK radio 
at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are finding it 
painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are having to pull 
those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we 
can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 
450i or 450m AP.

Mark


On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
 wrote:

We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!


Matt

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson 
<li...@mtin.net<mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net<mailto:j...@mtin.net>

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl 
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.

This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
later like Q2.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay.


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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Stefan Englhardt]

At some time vendors have to make a technology-jump to advance.

 

 

Von: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> Im Auftrag von Mark Radabaugh
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. März 2018 13:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

 

To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very little 
point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X FSK radio 
at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are finding it 
painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are having to pull 
those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we 
can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 
450i or 450m AP.

 

Mark





On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com 
<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> > wrote:

 

We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles! 

 



Matt

 

From: Af < <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

 

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson < <mailto:li...@mtin.net> 
li...@mtin.net> wrote:

FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.

 

 

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On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl < <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> 
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This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.

 

This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
later like Q2.

 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett < <mailto:af...@ics-il.net> 
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In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay.



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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mark Radabaugh]

To be fair by the time Cambium (really Motorola) gave up there was very little 
point left in it.   Having a 450AP slow down enough to talk to a 2X FSK radio 
at 14Mbps meant you might as well not put up a 450AP.We are finding it 
painful to have 430SM’s on 450 AP’s for the same reason and are having to pull 
those off the network due to the capacity hit on the AP’s.  It’s nice that we 
can do that gradually, but there is no way I would want to have FSK SM’s on a 
450i or 450m AP.

Mark

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
> <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles! 
>  
> 
> Matt
>  
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>  
> *cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net 
> <mailto:li...@mtin.net>> wrote:
> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would 
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the 
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
> philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
> some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
> cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>  
>  
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net <mailto:j...@mtin.net>
>  
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> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
>  
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.
>  
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
> later like Q2.
>  
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
> that's not the reason behind the delay.
> 
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

You know I love me some sweet sweet Cambium gear, but I have to make fun as
much as possible.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> We’re good at it… we can’t work miracles!
>
>
>
> 
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 12, 2018 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
>
>
> *cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>
> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
>
> j...@mtin.net
>
>
>
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> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
>
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>
>
>
> -
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

*cough* FSK and OFDM combo with integrated GPS *cough*


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:

> FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would
> connect to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the
> cool features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the
> same philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you
> up with some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have
> some pretty cool options for folks new to ePMP.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> www.mtin.net
> www.midwest-ix.com
>
> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
>> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>>>> in the same channel size?
>>>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Coming soon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ac based chipset
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

Beautiful!!!  Thanks man!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:

> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP
> 2000.
>
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a
> little later like Q2.
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen.
>> Hopefully that's not the reason behind the delay.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>>>> in the same channel size?
>>>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Coming soon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ac based chipset
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Justin Wilson]

FYI, Cambium is very good at this.  Look at the 400 series.  430 would connect 
to 450 which gave longer life to the 430s.  You didn’t get all the cool 
features of the 450, but the clients worked.  ePMP is following the same 
philosophy.  If anyone out there is wanting to try ePMP can hook you up with 
some great promotions. I am certified Cambium consultant and have some pretty 
cool options for folks new to ePMP.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 9:56 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> This is from the horse's mouth. It says Q1 for compatibility with ePMP 2000.
> 
> This document is from January though so maybe that firmware will be a little 
> later like Q2.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
> that's not the reason behind the delay.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
> 
> Josh,
> 
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in 
> the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. 
> That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
> 
> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373 
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com 
> <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
> with the new AP is how I took it.
> 
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> Coming soon
> 
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
> 
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
> 
> Ac based chipset
> 
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>
> 507-634-WiFi
>  <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook 
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Announcement.pdf>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mike Hammett]

Q3ish 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:05:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000 

Timeframe on 3000 AP? 



Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 



On Mar 7, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 





3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all 
existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still have 
some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force 300 CPE 


Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize 
improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy users. 
They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect to existing 
1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz channel, you can 
realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and Force 300 CPE. 


3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time. 






On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
in the same channel size? 
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz 


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it. 




On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 







Coming soon 


Roughly doubles available throughout on ap 


If I heard right won't work with elevate 


Ac based chipset 


Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 







Sent from my smartphone 











-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mike Hammett]

In Vegas it wouldn't, but they must have agreed to make it happen. Hopefully 
that's not the reason behind the delay. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 4:16:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000 


Josh, 


Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in the 
next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's. That's 
been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner docs. 


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE. 


Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =( 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
in the same channel size? 
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz 


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it. 




On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 







Coming soon 


Roughly doubles available throughout on ap 


If I heard right won't work with elevate 


Ac based chipset 


Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 







Sent from my smartphone 














-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Joe Novak]

First time I heard it was on the floor and during the road map.

Thanks everyone for their outrage, they listened. lol.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Oh???  The webinar said it wouldn't.  I sure hope I'm wrong!!!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Mar 8, 2018 5:16 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
>> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
>> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
>> partner docs.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>>
>>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
 in the same channel size?
 I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

Oh???  The webinar said it wouldn't.  I sure hope I'm wrong!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 8, 2018 5:16 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
> partner docs.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>
>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>>> in the same channel size?
>>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
 work with the new AP is how I took it.

 On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:

> Coming soon
>
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>
> Ac based chipset
>
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Steve Jones]

is that after the 450 firmware for the fsk side of the radio?

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update
> in the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k
> AP's. That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and
> partner docs.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>>
>> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>>> in the same channel size?
>>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
 work with the new AP is how I took it.

 On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:

> Coming soon
>
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>
> Ac based chipset
>
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

A 4x4 AC mimo AP should be able to talk to 2 2x2N subs … at least in WIFI world…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 5:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.

Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Darin Steffl]

Josh,

Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in
the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's.
That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner
docs.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>
> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>> in the same channel size?
>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Coming soon

 Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

 If I heard right won't work with elevate

 Ac based chipset

 Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



 Sent from my smartphone


>>
>


-- 
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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Luthman]

Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.

Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coming soon
>>>
>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>
>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>
>>> Ac based chipset
>>>
>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Kurt Fankhauser]

250mbps aggregate in a 20mhz channel? Heck that more spec-truly efficient
than PMP450.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yes, it's a 4x4, and the reasoning behind their antenna is to maximize the
> ability to actually get the benefits of 4x4.
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ah so it's a 4x4? Okay, that makes sense for the mu-mimo increase then,
>> if under the right conditions.
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 10:51 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They recommend that you use the Cambium 4 port antenna. (of course)
>>>
>>> It will work with others but you will lose performance.
>>>
>>> You will get higher order modulations and some increase of throughput
>>> but not the full benefit of MUMIMO
>>>
>>> So, yeah, you can do that.  But they pointed out the cost of climbing
>>> the tower and installing the radio is going to be there, a new antenna is
>>> not that much more.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:22 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>>
>>> Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap
>>> them on to the antennas we already have up?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>>>>
>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <
>>>> jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>>>
>>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Coming soon
>>>>>
>>>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>>>
>>>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>>>
>>>>> Ac based chipset
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=3577+Countryside+Road,+Helena,+MT+59602=gmail=g>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yes, it's a 4x4, and the reasoning behind their antenna is to maximize the
ability to actually get the benefits of 4x4.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Ah so it's a 4x4? Okay, that makes sense for the mu-mimo increase then, if
> under the right conditions.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 10:51 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> They recommend that you use the Cambium 4 port antenna. (of course)
>>
>> It will work with others but you will lose performance.
>>
>> You will get higher order modulations and some increase of throughput but
>> not the full benefit of MUMIMO
>>
>> So, yeah, you can do that.  But they pointed out the cost of climbing the
>> tower and installing the radio is going to be there, a new antenna is not
>> that much more.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:22 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap
>> them on to the antennas we already have up?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <
>>> jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>>
>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Coming soon
>>>>
>>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>>
>>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>>
>>>> Ac based chipset
>>>>
>>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Jon Langeler]

Timeframe on 3000 AP?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 7, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> 3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all 
> existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still have 
> some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force 300 CPE
> 
> Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize 
> improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy users. 
> They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect to 
> existing 1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz 
> channel, you can realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and Force 
> 300 CPE.
> 
> 3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
>> in the same channel size?
>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
>>> with the new AP is how I took it.
>>> 
 On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
 wrote:
>>> 
 Coming soon
 
 Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
 
 If I heard right won't work with elevate
 
 Ac based chipset
 
 Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 
 
 
 
 Sent from my smartphone
 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Steve Jones]

That was my whole point.

On Mar 7, 2018 10:26 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That doesn't speak to efficiency. If you treat spectrum like a commodity,
> you will run out of it.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Jay,

If you can corner a Cambium person on the ePMP 2.4 please find out about the 
backwards compatibility. That’s something I would wait for release on if its 
coming.

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

 

 

2.4 will be available eventually...probably within a year.   Wonder if it will 
also be backwards compatible with current epmp 2.4i don't see why not

 

 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 9:11 AM

 

Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

 

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Coming soon

 

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

 

If I heard right won't work with elevate

 

Ac based chipset

 

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 

 

 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Reynolds]

Ah so it's a 4x4? Okay, that makes sense for the mu-mimo increase then, if
under the right conditions.

On Mar 7, 2018 10:51 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> They recommend that you use the Cambium 4 port antenna. (of course)
>
> It will work with others but you will lose performance.
>
> You will get higher order modulations and some increase of throughput but
> not the full benefit of MUMIMO
>
> So, yeah, you can do that.  But they pointed out the cost of climbing the
> tower and installing the radio is going to be there, a new antenna is not
> that much more.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:22 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
> Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap
> them on to the antennas we already have up?
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com
>> >
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>>
>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coming soon
>>>
>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>
>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>
>>> Ac based chipset
>>>
>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Reynolds]

I hate this claim, because that's not how mu-mimo works. It sacrifices
chains to talk to those multiple APs, so a 2x2 AP goes to 1x1 for 2 clients
@ 1x1. Same amount of bandwidth used.

On Mar 7, 2018 10:13 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work
> with the new AP is how I took it.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Chuck McCown]

They recommend that you use the Cambium 4 port antenna. (of course)

It will work with others but you will lose performance.  

You will get higher order modulations and some increase of throughput but not 
the full benefit of MUMIMO

So, yeah, you can do that.  But they pointed out the cost of climbing the tower 
and installing the radio is going to be there, a new antenna is not that much 
more.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 9:22 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap them on 
to the antennas we already have up?


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

  Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time 

  From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com>
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000


  Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
with the new AP is how I took it.





Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



  On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Bill Prince]

That doesn't speak to efficiency. If you treat spectrum like a 
commodity, you will run out of it.



bp


On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mathew Howard]

Are these things going to require a 4 port antenna, or can we just slap
them on to the antennas we already have up?

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
wrote:

> Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
>
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work
> with the new AP is how I took it.
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Darin Steffl]

3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all
existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still
have some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force
300 CPE

Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize
improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy
users. They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect
to existing 1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz
channel, you can realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and
Force 300 CPE.

3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time.



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coming soon
>>>
>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>
>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>
>>> Ac based chipset
>>>
>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mark Radabaugh]

In same channel size.

Mark

> On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap" 
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work 
>> with the new AP is how I took it.
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
>>> wrote:
>>> Coming soon
>>> 
>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>> 
>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>> 
>>> Ac based chipset
>>> 
>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

Its the mu-mimo, same speeds at customer. AP can talk to 2 Sms at the same time

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 12:08 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Mathew Howard]

Well, that's new!

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:58 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> 2.4 will be available eventually...probably within a year.   Wonder if it
> will also be backwards compatible with current epmp 2.4i don't see why
> not
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com>
> To: <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 9:11 AM
>
> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work
> with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Gino A. Villarini]

Mu mimo AP should talk to 2 N customers at the same time

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Joe 
Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:11 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet



Sent from my smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Steve Jones]

" Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
in the same channel size?
I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work
> with the new AP is how I took it.
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>> Coming soon
>>
>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>
>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>
>> Ac based chipset
>>
>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

2.4 will be available eventually...probably within a year.   Wonder if it will 
also be backwards compatible with current epmp 2.4i don't see why not



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- Reply message -
From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000
Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 9:11 AM

Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work with 
the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 



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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Joe Novak]

Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will work
with the new AP is how I took it.

On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

> Coming soon
>
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>
> Ac based chipset
>
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Josh Baird]

Doubles throughput even when using Force 180/200 CPE?  When are the new
802.11ac based CPE coming out?

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

> Coming soon
>
> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>
> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>
> Ac based chipset
>
> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
>

[AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Coming soon

Roughly doubles available throughout on ap

If I heard right won't work with elevate

Ac based chipset

Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet 



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