DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Jacob Sutton
Rule 1868 states that a CFJ is open if it has not been judged and closed if it 
is not open
So, if a case has been judged, there is no rule keeping it from still being 
considered open. 
  Thus, after a CFJ has been judged, there is no way to determine if it is open 
or closed. 
  Therefore, it can't be determined if the ruling is valid.

 
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DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Jacob Sutton
Ed Murphy wrote:
   
  >Jacob Sutton wrote:

>> Rule 1868 states that a CFJ is open if it has not been judged and 
>>closed 
>>if it is not open
>>So, if a case has been judged, there is no rule keeping it from still 
>>being considered open.

>Correct.  So it's not open.  (Assuming it also doesn't have any
>outstanding motions.)

Just because it is open before it's judged doesn't mean that's the only time 
it's open.



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because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all 
religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic 
and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are 
invisible because we can't see them." --Steve Eley

 
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DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin



Jacob Sutton wrote:
Just because it is open before it's judged doesn't mean that's 
the only time it's open.


Check out CFJ 1575:
http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1575






Re: DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Murphy

Jacob Sutton wrote:

Rule 1868 states that a CFJ is open if it has not been judged and closed 
if it is not open
So, if a case has been judged, there is no rule keeping it from still 
being considered open.


Correct.  So it's not open.  (Assuming it also doesn't have any
outstanding motions.)

Thus, after a CFJ has been judged, there is no way to determine if it is 
open or closed.


Incorrect.  It's not open, thus by Rule 1868 it's closed.


Therefore, it can't be determined if the ruling is valid.


Huh?



Re: DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Jacob Sutton


Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  

>Jacob Sutton wrote:
>> Just because it is open before it's judged doesn't mean that's 
>> the only time it's open.

>Check out CFJ 1575:
>http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1575





 I guess that case could be reopened, then.


  "Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this 
because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all 
religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic 
and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are 
invisible because we can't see them." --Steve Eley

 
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Re: DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Murphy

Jacob Sutton wrote:


Ed Murphy wrote:
 
 >Jacob Sutton wrote:


 >> Rule 1868 states that a CFJ is open if it has not been judged and
 >>closed
 >>if it is not open
 >>So, if a case has been judged, there is no rule keeping it from still
 >>being considered open.

 >Correct.  So it's not open.  (Assuming it also doesn't have any
 >outstanding motions.)

Just because it is open before it's judged doesn't mean that's the only 
time it's open.


The implicit pattern is that "X becomes Y when Z" causes X to remain Y
until something explicitly makes it become not-Y, while "X is Y if Z"
causes X to cease being Y as soon as Z stops being true.  ("X is Y while
Z" or "X is Y if and only if Z" would be clearer.)


Re: DIS: Rule 1868 Paradox

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Murphy

Jacob Sutton wrote:


*/Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:



 >Check out CFJ 1575:
 >http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1575





 I guess that case could be reopened, then.


In fact, it was, and root re-judged it as required:
http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1278