Re: AI-GEOSTATS: Exact interpolant property of kriging

2008-02-19 Thread Pierre Goovaerts
I think that Isobel refers to the implementation of the kriging algorithm in
ESRI
products where the nugget variability is automatically filtered from the
data. Hence,
if your variogram has a non-zero nugget effect, the kriged surface won't
honor the data
at sampled locations.

Pierre

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On 2/19/08, M.J. Abedini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Colleagues
>
> I thought exact interpolant property of kriging is very applicable to
> every case regardless of variogram used. But, Isobel's posting  implies it
> is not the case.
>
> Furthermore, IDW of any types honor exact interpolant property. It can be
> proved mathematically.
>
> Thanks
> Abedini
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:09:44 + (GMT)
> From: Isobel Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Andrea Peruzzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ai-geostats@jrc.it
> Subject: Re: AI-GEOSTATS: kriging or IDW in case study of hydrology?
>
> Andrea
>
>In theory kriging will honour the sample values provided your
> semi-variogram model takes the value zero at zero distance.
>
>Whether the data are honoured or not depends on which computer package
> you use and what it does with the semi-variogram at zero. You can force this
> behaviour by replacing any nugget effect with a short range model component.
> For example a spherical component with a range of influence of 10cm or some
> such.
>
>See our completely free and public domain kriging game, for how the
> kriging system works.
>
>By the way, IDW will only honour your sample values if the algorithms
> are written with the same criterion.
>
>Isobel
>http://www.kriging.com
>
> Andrea Peruzzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dear list,
> I'm graduate student in hydrogeology, I've to spatialize data of
> reservoir thickness, and I need to achieve a map having exactly the
> sampled value in the sampled localization (piezometers). I've little
> experience in geostatatistics.
> I had a look at kriging algorithms, but I did understand that kriging
> does not preserve the sampled value at sampled locations but it tends
> to smooth results, even if estimates correctly the unsampled space. So
> I wonder why should I use Kriging instead IDW (which it should
> preserve my sampled values): kriging respects the spatial variability
> but do not respect data
> As I told you before, I've very small knowledge in geostatistics
> stuff, but I'm interesting in kriging.
> Could anyone help me?
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Andrea Peruzzi
>
> PS: I apologize for writing you again but it's the first time I'm
> writing you, then I'm not sure how the mailing list works. Thanks :-)
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AI-GEOSTATS: Exact interpolant property of kriging

2008-02-19 Thread M.J. Abedini


Dear Colleagues

I thought exact interpolant property of kriging is very applicable to 
every case regardless of variogram used. But, Isobel's posting  implies it 
is not the case.


Furthermore, IDW of any types honor exact interpolant property. It can be 
proved mathematically.


Thanks
Abedini

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:09:44 + (GMT)
From: Isobel Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Andrea Peruzzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ai-geostats@jrc.it
Subject: Re: AI-GEOSTATS: kriging or IDW in case study of hydrology?

Andrea

  In theory kriging will honour the sample values provided your semi-variogram 
model takes the value zero at zero distance.

  Whether the data are honoured or not depends on which computer package you 
use and what it does with the semi-variogram at zero. You can force this 
behaviour by replacing any nugget effect with a short range model component. 
For example a spherical component with a range of influence of 10cm or some 
such.

  See our completely free and public domain kriging game, for how the kriging 
system works.

  By the way, IDW will only honour your sample values if the algorithms are 
written with the same criterion.

  Isobel
  http://www.kriging.com

Andrea Peruzzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear list,
I'm graduate student in hydrogeology, I've to spatialize data of
reservoir thickness, and I need to achieve a map having exactly the
sampled value in the sampled localization (piezometers). I've little
experience in geostatatistics.
I had a look at kriging algorithms, but I did understand that kriging
does not preserve the sampled value at sampled locations but it tends
to smooth results, even if estimates correctly the unsampled space. So
I wonder why should I use Kriging instead IDW (which it should
preserve my sampled values): kriging respects the spatial variability
but do not respect data
As I told you before, I've very small knowledge in geostatistics
stuff, but I'm interesting in kriging.
Could anyone help me?
Thanks a lot,

Andrea Peruzzi

PS: I apologize for writing you again but it's the first time I'm
writing you, then I'm not sure how the mailing list works. Thanks :-)
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Re: AI-GEOSTATS: kriging or IDW in case study of hydrology?

2008-02-19 Thread Isobel Clark
Andrea
   
  In theory kriging will honour the sample values provided your semi-variogram 
model takes the value zero at zero distance.
   
  Whether the data are honoured or not depends on which computer package you 
use and what it does with the semi-variogram at zero. You can force this 
behaviour by replacing any nugget effect with a short range model component. 
For example a spherical component with a range of influence of 10cm or some 
such.
   
  See our completely free and public domain kriging game, for how the kriging 
system works.
   
  By the way, IDW will only honour your sample values if the algorithms are 
written with the same criterion.
   
  Isobel
  http://www.kriging.com

Andrea Peruzzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dear list,
I'm graduate student in hydrogeology, I've to spatialize data of
reservoir thickness, and I need to achieve a map having exactly the
sampled value in the sampled localization (piezometers). I've little
experience in geostatatistics.
I had a look at kriging algorithms, but I did understand that kriging
does not preserve the sampled value at sampled locations but it tends
to smooth results, even if estimates correctly the unsampled space. So
I wonder why should I use Kriging instead IDW (which it should
preserve my sampled values): kriging respects the spatial variability
but do not respect data
As I told you before, I've very small knowledge in geostatistics
stuff, but I'm interesting in kriging.
Could anyone help me?
Thanks a lot,

Andrea Peruzzi

PS: I apologize for writing you again but it's the first time I'm
writing you, then I'm not sure how the mailing list works. Thanks :-)
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AI-GEOSTATS: kriging or IDW in case study of hydrology?

2008-02-19 Thread Andrea Peruzzi
Dear list,
I'm graduate student in hydrogeology, I've to spatialize data of
reservoir thickness, and I need to achieve a map having exactly the
sampled value in the sampled localization (piezometers). I've little
experience in geostatatistics.
 I had a look at kriging algorithms, but I did understand that kriging
does not preserve the sampled value at sampled locations but it tends
to smooth results, even if estimates correctly the unsampled space. So
I wonder why should I use Kriging instead IDW (which it should
preserve my sampled values): kriging respects the spatial variability
but do not respect data
 As I told you before, I've very small knowledge in geostatistics
stuff, but I'm interesting in kriging.
Could anyone help me?
Thanks a lot,

Andrea Peruzzi

PS: I apologize for writing you again but it's the first time I'm
writing you, then I'm not sure how the mailing list works. Thanks :-)
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