RE: [AMRadio] Mike Cable Capacitance

2004-01-16 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
I don't think I will spend much time trouble shooting, since I went to
a whole new setup, I am now going balanced between the mike
preamp (berringer) and the power amp (symetrix and soon a samson).
The old nikko power amp had unbalanced inputs.

I doubt it was rf getting into the audio chain, but its possible.

I was quite sure things were much better after just changing the
rg8m out, I had put phono ends on it, and had an adaptor
(phono to mono 1/4 inch jack) into the berringer.
That should have unbalanced the output of the berringer, which 
is supposed to compensate for the change in level output with
some magic circuit.

There were (are) no built in bits in the cables, I DID have an
T pad (600 ohm I think) to attenuate one input on the nikko.
The new amps have level controls for each channel, so I chucked that.

I was also driving two inputs with one (berringer) output.
I just thought, since BOTH nikko inputs were bypassed with .047uf
caps, that is almost a .1!!!

The wrong cable types, add on T pads, excessive bypassing,
running two inputs off one output, lots of not so great things
that can cause problems.
Its good that I have cleaned up this mess.

Another nice thing with the new amps is that they have headphone
outputs, so I can hear the audio feeding the modulators
without doing anything with the 8 ohm outputs.

Brett
N2DTS
 



RE: [AMRadio] Mike Cable Capacitance

2004-01-15 Thread Brett Gazdzinski
I replaced a 10 or 15 foot piece of rg8m with a 20 foot
radio shack regular audio cable.
This went between the berringer on the desk, to the nikko power amp
in the rack (now empty and out of the way).
The rack will hold the homebrew pair of 4d32 rig in the future.


The level was the same except for the extreme highs, which jumped
from 20% modulation to close to 100% with the radio shack cable.
This was from making loud s sounds into the mike.

Doing more checking, I found I had put bypass caps in the
audio power amp, both on the input, .047 uf, and the 8 ohm output .01 uf.
These were likely to large, and along with the coax, reducing the
highs. There was a large change between the coax and the regular
audio cable when I tried that first, but its very likely it interacted
with the bypass caps and pushed the roll off frequency down to
3000 to 4000 hz???


I changed the caps to .003 in that amp, and also bought 2 new amps,
a one rack mount space 20 watt per channel symetrix amp, that seems to
need no RF bypassing at all, and a samson 60 watt per channel amp,
also one rack mount space (nice and small).
It was mail order, and has not got here yet.

The 20 watt symetrix (pawn shop special) works fine on the 811a mod deck,
and the 4x150a mod deck (ab1), but does not have enough power to drive
the push pull parallel 100th mod deck, it gets up to
about 90% mod at the symetrix clipping (20 watts).
I likely need to change taps on the driver trans to get more voltage,
4 100th tubes should take less than 20 watts drive...

My ears are no good, but I think it sounds much better than it
used to, much less high boost for the same sound (in my ears).

I guess the 120 watt per channel nikko amp will be a ham fest special,
its worked great for 20 years of abuse, has nice analog meters on it,
but its quite large and heavy for the shack.
I like having all the audio stuff close together on the desk, the
berringer mike amp/compressor/eq/etc, the power amp, the tape deck,
and the receiver audio amp (marantz).
With a one rack space berringer, and a one rack space audio
amp or two, you can drive a bunch of modulator grids
in a very small space. High quality audio in about 4 inches
of total rack space!
I paid $90.00 for the symetrix, $180.00 for the (new) samson
60 watt per channel amp.

 
And yes, I still have the good tube audio in the 32v3 transmitters,
so I am not a total sell out.
I hope to build up a nice tube mike and line preamp/mixer/eq/
compressor/power amp to drive the various homebrew rigs.
A tube compressor that works well might be a bit tough though.

I have bunch of nice balanced 600 ohm to grid hi fi type transformers
that need to go in something.
A pair of KT90 tubes will do 160 watts in AB1, very low
distortion.
Tone control circuits are in the back of the RCA receiving tube
manual, along with the mike preamp and mixer circuits.

That and the homebrew RF vfo/exciter/driver are all that
is left to have a completely home brew station from mike jack
to antenna.
(can you home brew a mike?)

I heard the first part of the article on the second homebrew
receiver is in Electric Radio this month, but have not got
my copy yet.
I have no idea what pictures they used, I sent in a whole mess
of photos of various things in the shack.

 

Brett
N2DTS




RE: [AMRadio] Mike Cable Capacitance

2004-01-15 Thread Donald Chester
I use an outboard audio amp for my 75A-4 receiver with a system of adaptors 
that requires no modification to the receiver itself.  I  pull audio 
directly from the grid pin of the 12AT7 1st audio stage (with the tube 
removed).  This is a high impedance point, 470k if I recall correctly.  To 
avoid high frequency loss in the 5 ft. or so of shielded cable between the 
tube socket and amplifier, I built up a cathode follower stage to replace 
the 12AT7.  It is a plug-in module that plugs right into the 12AT7 socket, 
and gets its B+ from the screen grid pin of the 6AQ5, which was also removed 
to conserve drain on the power supply and reduce unneeded heat in the 
receiver.  I can remove the plug-in units and replace them with the original 
tubes, and the receiver will be completely stock once again.


-k4kyv

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