[apple-crop] 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner)

[Arthur Harvey]

If my apple trees are close enough to a GMO orchard such that bees carry GMO 
pollen
to my trees, that will contaminate my crop in two ways:  1) if my trees are 
certified organic,
and testing reveals a GMO presence higher than a regulatory threshold (in 
Europe, .9 %),
then my certification  for that crop will be revoked.  2) if not organic, and I 
wish to export
to Europe then the apples will be rejected if over .9%  However, organic 
certification for
my farm will not be affected so long as I take measures to prevent further 
contamination
after a cooling=off period of 3 years.  At present, I do not believe USDA has 
fixed the 
threshold for this type of contamination yet, but if Arctics are in the market, 
they will
be obliged to.

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 If anyone has a need for an apple that doesn't brown, I'd be
 happy to send a stick or three of 'Sweet Emma', a chance
 seedling from grandfathers farm - white flesh that doesn't
 ever even hint of turning brown even while it dries to a
 crisp - a little flattened, red, 2.75", ripe early Oct, mild
 sweet crisp like a RD would dream of being -  vigorous
 tree, early blooming, very scab susceptible, doesn't fill
 bins like Melrose or Mutsu, loses quality in six weeks
 (would probably respond well to 'Smart-Fresh') - I sell
 quite a few between Oct 5 and Thanksgiving - 
 
 No charge - no obligation - 
 David Doud
 
 
 
 
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 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:25:06 -0500
 From: "Craig Tanner" 
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 "GMO apples may contaminate nearby organic and conventional
 apple orchards
 and could potentially cause valuable export markets to
 reject U.S. apples as
 happened in past when wheat and rice crops were found to be
 contaminated by
 GMOs." A - See more at:
 http://www.foe.org/projects/food-and-technology/genetic-engineering/no-gmo-a
 pples#sthash.FRll2V3z.dpuf
  
 what?  how?  this statement makes my head spin
  
 Craig Tanner
 Tanners Orchard, Ltd.
 Speer, IL
 309-493-5442
 309-493-5741 fax
 306-360-5610 cell
  
 
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 I copy and paste an email that went out to subscribers to
 Well.org - it was
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 a peek at their
 website doesn't impress and the website itself doesn't have
 any content
 about Arctic Apples -
 
 I've been made aware of at least one other organization
 promoting
 anti-Arctic Apple sentiment -
 http://www.foe.org/projects/food-and-technology/genetic-engineering/no-gmo-a
 pples 
 
 I investigated the claim that "McDonald's and Gerber..." and
 it's not as
 presented - they have 'no plans' because there is no product
 available to
 buy, but they have not rejected and Gerber specifically
 admits and defends
 using GMO products - 
 
 Looks like battle lines are being drawn and strategies
 arctic-ulated - 
 
 David Doud
 peach leaf curl spray this week - 
 2012 on this date was apple full bloom - not at silver tip
 yet this year,
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Re: [apple-crop] 2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig Tanner)

[David A. Rosenberger]

Based on what i think I know (and someone correct me if I’ve missed something), 
GMO pollen carried by bees to your apple orchards will NOT generate GMO content 
in your apples unless you actually test the apple seeds that form inside the 
fruit.  Unlike corn, wheat, and other grain crops where we eat the seeds, 
apples seeds generally are not consumer.  While cross-pollination is required 
to make apples grow, the pollen carried to fruit in your orchards only affects 
the seeds. The fruit grow from the base of the flower, and that tissue would 
not be changed as a result of pollination with a GMO apple.  If the DNA of the 
fruit themselves changed depending on the pollen source, then we would end up 
with a wild mixture of fruit sizes, shapes, colors, etc. on every tree every 
year.

Thus, the question  then might be whether testing for GMO  apples will involve 
testing of the fruit that people actually eat, or of the seeds within that 
fruit despite the fact that seeds are discarded when apples are eaten?  I 
suppose some folks might be concerned about “contaminating” their compost heap 
with apple seeds that might have a small percentage of GMO in the seed DNA.  I 
suspect that those would be the same folks who reported (in a SARE study many 
years ago), that they felt better when wearing a sweater made from the wool of 
organically raised sheep. 

Dave Rosenberger, Plant Pathologist,
Hudson Valley Lab, P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528
Cell: 845-594-3060
 http://blogs.cornell.edu/plantpathhvl/blog-2014/


> On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Arthur Harvey  wrote:
> 
> If my apple trees are close enough to a GMO orchard such that bees carry GMO 
> pollen
> to my trees, that will contaminate my crop in two ways:  1) if my trees are 
> certified organic,
> and testing reveals a GMO presence higher than a regulatory threshold (in 
> Europe, .9 %),
> then my certification  for that crop will be revoked.  2) if not organic, and 
> I wish to export
> to Europe then the apples will be rejected if over .9%  However, organic 
> certification for
> my farm will not be affected so long as I take measures to prevent further 
> contamination
> after a cooling=off period of 3 years.  At present, I do not believe USDA has 
> fixed the 
> threshold for this type of contamination yet, but if Arctics are in the 
> market, they will
> be obliged to.
> 
> On Mon, 3/30/15, apple-crop-requ...@virtualorchard.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> Subject: apple-crop Digest, Vol 51, Issue 24
> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> Date: Monday, March 30, 2015, 4:31 PM
> 
> Send apple-crop mailing list
> submissions to
> apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
> 
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> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> specific
> than "Re: Contents of apple-crop digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. non-GMO non-browning apples (David
> Doud)
>2. Re: Arctic Apples again - (Craig
> Tanner)
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:41:42 -0400
> From: David Doud 
> To: Apple-Crop 
> Subject: [apple-crop] non-GMO non-browning apples
> Message-ID: <8e35364e-e8ba-43ce-b4d4-39feb897f...@me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> If anyone has a need for an apple that doesn't brown, I'd be
> happy to send a stick or three of 'Sweet Emma', a chance
> seedling from grandfathers farm - white flesh that doesn't
> ever even hint of turning brown even while it dries to a
> crisp - a little flattened, red, 2.75", ripe early Oct, mild
> sweet crisp like a RD would dream of being -  vigorous
> tree, early blooming, very scab susceptible, doesn't fill
> bins like Melrose or Mutsu, loses quality in six weeks
> (would probably respond well to 'Smart-Fresh') - I sell
> quite a few between Oct 5 and Thanksgiving - 
> 
> No charge - no obligation - 
> David Doud
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 15:25:06 -0500
> From: "Craig Tanner" 
> To: "'Apple-crop discussion list'" 
> Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Arctic Apples again -
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> "GMO apples may contaminate nearby organic and conventional
> apple orchards
> and could potentially cause valuable export markets to
> reject U.S. apples as
> happened in past when wheat and rice crops were found to be
> contaminated by
> GMOs." A - See more at:
> http://www.foe.org/projects/food-and-technology/genetic-engineering/no-gmo-a
> pples#sthash.FRll2V3z.dpuf
> 
> what?  ho