[arch-general] Arch kernel on Linode, was Re: Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread David Benfell
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On 07/15/12 18:09, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, David Benfell 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd have to look into using a not-so-custom kernel (presumably
>> from the Arch package). Ten years ago, I used to build kernels
>> routinely. But it's not trivial anymore.
> 
> nah none of that :-) i detest compiling things.
> 

Whew! I mean it used to be fun. And I don't mind much when it's the
./configure-make-make install sequence. But kernel building never was
quite that simple and I'd have to say it's become a lot more
complicated now.

> i run the standard Arch kernel, same as any other machine -- you
> just have to configure your instance to use pv-grub.
> 
> ... basically, you just need to make a grub-legacy menu.lst file,
> put it in the normal place on an ext3 partition, and go from there.
> no real work in the end.

I went to the Arch Wiki (or, more precisely, my copy of it, since the
original one often fails to answer), went to the Linode wiki (which
doesn't talk about Arch Linux), and came up with the following
(comments elided) /boot/grub/menu.1st:

timeout   5
default   0
color light-blue/black light-cyan/blue


title  Arch Linux
root   (hd0)
kernel /vmlinuz-linux root=/dev/xvda ro
initrd /initramfs-linux.img
groot=(hd0)

But I missed something because when I went to boot, it still thought
it was supposed to boot from (hd0,0).

> 
> the arch kernel has all the necessary CONFIG_* bits to run
> unmodified in the Linode XEN environment.
> 


- -- 
David Benfell
benf...@parts-unknown.org


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Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-15 Thread Not To Miss
Thanks. I don't think it is related either. But perhaps I should fix that
floppy error anyway

Another thing I want to mention is that the screen jitters occasionally and
when I lock the screen, only one monitor turns black while the other is
still displaying with keyboard disabled but mouse still working.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Victor Silva  wrote:

> 2012/7/16 Not To Miss 
>
> > I didn't remeber I had seen anything relevant in log files. Here is the
> > most recent record in /var/log/messages files (I pressed reset button to
> > reboot at Jul 15 20:37) with "-- MARK -- \" message lines skipped:
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191008] PGD 10b42e067 PUD 0
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191011] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT
> SMP
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191015] CPU 0
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191016] Modules linked in: fuse
> > pci_stub vboxpci(O) vboxnetflt(O) vboxnetadp(O) vboxdrv(O)
> > snd_hda_codec_realtek nvidia(PO) r8169 snd_hd
> > a_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd
> > soundcore microcode psmouse i2c_i801 serio_raw intel_agp processor pcspkr
> > iTCO_wdt coretemp mii evdev inte
> > l_gtt iTCO_vendor_support button i2c_core ext4 crc16 jbd2 mbcache raid0
> > raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor xor async_tx
> > raid6_pq raid1 md_mod sr_mod cdr
> > om sd_mod usbhid pata_jmicron hid pata_acpi ahci libahci uhci_hcd
> ata_piix
> > ata_generic ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod usbcore usb_common floppy
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191057]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191059] Pid: 1373, comm:
> gnome-shell
> > Tainted: P   O 3.4.4-2-ARCH #1 Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
> > P35-DS3R/P35-DS3R
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191063] RIP:
> > 0010:[]  [] _nv003990rm+0x4160/0xa790
> > [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191186] RSP: 0018:88010b6efa88
> > EFLAGS: 00010246
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191188] RAX: ffbb RBX:
> > 88011742e008 RCX: 00088004
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191190] RDX: 88011742e378 RSI:
> > 88011742e008 RDI: 00201875d808
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191192] RBP: 880118a8dfe0 R08:
> >  R09: 880118a8dfec
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191194] R10:  R11:
> > 0001 R12: 00088004
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191196] R13:  R14:
> > 88011742e378 R15: 
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191199] FS:
>  7f8f3df8e940()
> > GS:88011fc0() knlGS:
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191201] CS:  0010 DS:  ES:
> 
> > CR0: 80050033
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191203] CR2: 00201875dac0 CR3:
> > 00010b42b000 CR4: 07f0
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191205] DR0:  DR1:
> >  DR2: 
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191208] DR3:  DR6:
> > 0ff0 DR7: 0400
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191210] Process gnome-shell (pid:
> > 1373, threadinfo 88010b6ee000, task 8801103d7710)
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191212] Stack:
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191213]  88011742e008
> > 88011742e008  00088004
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191218]  c90005144008
> > a06deaac 88011875f800 88011742e008
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191222]  
> > 880118a8b000 c90005144008 a09067a1
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191226] Call Trace:
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191347]  [] ?
> > _nv003990rm+0x406e/0xa790 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191400]  [] ?
> > rm_check_pci_config_space+0x499/0xa44 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191450]  [] ?
> > nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191502]  [] ?
> > _nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191553]  [] ?
> > _nv014633rm+0x31/0x538 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191675]  [] ?
> > _nv009673rm+0xf7/0x134 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191795]  [] ?
> > _nv003990rm+0x4718/0xa790 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191846]  [] ?
> > rm_check_pci_config_space+0x8d7/0xa44 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191915]  [] ?
> > _nv014429rm+0x9/0x21 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191964]  [] ?
> > nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192015]  [] ?
> > _nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192078]  [] ?
> > _nv000529rm+0x62/0x98 [nvidia]
> > Jul 14 20:36:15 

Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-15 Thread Victor Silva
2012/7/16 Not To Miss 

> I didn't remeber I had seen anything relevant in log files. Here is the
> most recent record in /var/log/messages files (I pressed reset button to
> reboot at Jul 15 20:37) with "-- MARK -- \" message lines skipped:
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191008] PGD 10b42e067 PUD 0
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191011] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT SMP
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191015] CPU 0
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191016] Modules linked in: fuse
> pci_stub vboxpci(O) vboxnetflt(O) vboxnetadp(O) vboxdrv(O)
> snd_hda_codec_realtek nvidia(PO) r8169 snd_hd
> a_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd
> soundcore microcode psmouse i2c_i801 serio_raw intel_agp processor pcspkr
> iTCO_wdt coretemp mii evdev inte
> l_gtt iTCO_vendor_support button i2c_core ext4 crc16 jbd2 mbcache raid0
> raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor xor async_tx
> raid6_pq raid1 md_mod sr_mod cdr
> om sd_mod usbhid pata_jmicron hid pata_acpi ahci libahci uhci_hcd ata_piix
> ata_generic ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod usbcore usb_common floppy
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191057]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191059] Pid: 1373, comm: gnome-shell
> Tainted: P   O 3.4.4-2-ARCH #1 Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
> P35-DS3R/P35-DS3R
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191063] RIP:
> 0010:[]  [] _nv003990rm+0x4160/0xa790
> [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191186] RSP: 0018:88010b6efa88
> EFLAGS: 00010246
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191188] RAX: ffbb RBX:
> 88011742e008 RCX: 00088004
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191190] RDX: 88011742e378 RSI:
> 88011742e008 RDI: 00201875d808
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191192] RBP: 880118a8dfe0 R08:
>  R09: 880118a8dfec
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191194] R10:  R11:
> 0001 R12: 00088004
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191196] R13:  R14:
> 88011742e378 R15: 
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191199] FS:  7f8f3df8e940()
> GS:88011fc0() knlGS:
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191201] CS:  0010 DS:  ES: 
> CR0: 80050033
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191203] CR2: 00201875dac0 CR3:
> 00010b42b000 CR4: 07f0
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191205] DR0:  DR1:
>  DR2: 
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191208] DR3:  DR6:
> 0ff0 DR7: 0400
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191210] Process gnome-shell (pid:
> 1373, threadinfo 88010b6ee000, task 8801103d7710)
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191212] Stack:
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191213]  88011742e008
> 88011742e008  00088004
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191218]  c90005144008
> a06deaac 88011875f800 88011742e008
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191222]  
> 880118a8b000 c90005144008 a09067a1
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191226] Call Trace:
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191347]  [] ?
> _nv003990rm+0x406e/0xa790 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191400]  [] ?
> rm_check_pci_config_space+0x499/0xa44 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191450]  [] ?
> nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191502]  [] ?
> _nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191553]  [] ?
> _nv014633rm+0x31/0x538 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191675]  [] ?
> _nv009673rm+0xf7/0x134 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191795]  [] ?
> _nv003990rm+0x4718/0xa790 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191846]  [] ?
> rm_check_pci_config_space+0x8d7/0xa44 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191915]  [] ?
> _nv014429rm+0x9/0x21 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191964]  [] ?
> nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192015]  [] ?
> _nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192078]  [] ?
> _nv000529rm+0x62/0x98 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192146]  [] ?
> _nv016127rm+0x2c/0x67 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192214]  [] ?
> _nv016521rm+0x14aa/0x14fb [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192282]  [] ?
> _nv016148rm+0x55d/0x58b [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192349]  [] ?
> _nv001046rm+0xf/0x14 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192416]  [] ?
> _nv000945rm+0x31/0x59 [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192470]  [] ?
> _nv001095rm+0xa3e/0xa9f [nvidia]
> Jul 14 20:36:15 phelp

Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-15 Thread Not To Miss
I didn't remeber I had seen anything relevant in log files. Here is the
most recent record in /var/log/messages files (I pressed reset button to
reboot at Jul 15 20:37) with "-- MARK -- \" message lines skipped:
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191008] PGD 10b42e067 PUD 0
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191011] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT SMP
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191015] CPU 0
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191016] Modules linked in: fuse
pci_stub vboxpci(O) vboxnetflt(O) vboxnetadp(O) vboxdrv(O)
snd_hda_codec_realtek nvidia(PO) r8169 snd_hd
a_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd
soundcore microcode psmouse i2c_i801 serio_raw intel_agp processor pcspkr
iTCO_wdt coretemp mii evdev inte
l_gtt iTCO_vendor_support button i2c_core ext4 crc16 jbd2 mbcache raid0
raid456 async_raid6_recov async_memcpy async_pq async_xor xor async_tx
raid6_pq raid1 md_mod sr_mod cdr
om sd_mod usbhid pata_jmicron hid pata_acpi ahci libahci uhci_hcd ata_piix
ata_generic ehci_hcd libata scsi_mod usbcore usb_common floppy
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191057]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191059] Pid: 1373, comm: gnome-shell
Tainted: P   O 3.4.4-2-ARCH #1 Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
P35-DS3R/P35-DS3R
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191063] RIP:
0010:[]  [] _nv003990rm+0x4160/0xa790
[nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191186] RSP: 0018:88010b6efa88
EFLAGS: 00010246
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191188] RAX: ffbb RBX:
88011742e008 RCX: 00088004
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191190] RDX: 88011742e378 RSI:
88011742e008 RDI: 00201875d808
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191192] RBP: 880118a8dfe0 R08:
 R09: 880118a8dfec
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191194] R10:  R11:
0001 R12: 00088004
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191196] R13:  R14:
88011742e378 R15: 
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191199] FS:  7f8f3df8e940()
GS:88011fc0() knlGS:
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191201] CS:  0010 DS:  ES: 
CR0: 80050033
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191203] CR2: 00201875dac0 CR3:
00010b42b000 CR4: 07f0
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191205] DR0:  DR1:
 DR2: 
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191208] DR3:  DR6:
0ff0 DR7: 0400
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191210] Process gnome-shell (pid:
1373, threadinfo 88010b6ee000, task 8801103d7710)
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191212] Stack:
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191213]  88011742e008
88011742e008  00088004
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191218]  c90005144008
a06deaac 88011875f800 88011742e008
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191222]  
880118a8b000 c90005144008 a09067a1
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191226] Call Trace:
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191347]  [] ?
_nv003990rm+0x406e/0xa790 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191400]  [] ?
rm_check_pci_config_space+0x499/0xa44 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191450]  [] ?
nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191502]  [] ?
_nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191553]  [] ?
_nv014633rm+0x31/0x538 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191675]  [] ?
_nv009673rm+0xf7/0x134 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191795]  [] ?
_nv003990rm+0x4718/0xa790 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191846]  [] ?
rm_check_pci_config_space+0x8d7/0xa44 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191915]  [] ?
_nv014429rm+0x9/0x21 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.191964]  [] ?
nv_verify_pci_config+0x60/0x80 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192015]  [] ?
_nv014590rm+0x22/0x27 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192078]  [] ?
_nv000529rm+0x62/0x98 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192146]  [] ?
_nv016127rm+0x2c/0x67 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192214]  [] ?
_nv016521rm+0x14aa/0x14fb [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192282]  [] ?
_nv016148rm+0x55d/0x58b [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192349]  [] ?
_nv001046rm+0xf/0x14 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192416]  [] ?
_nv000945rm+0x31/0x59 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192470]  [] ?
_nv001095rm+0xa3e/0xa9f [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192521]  [] ?
rm_ioctl+0x76/0xf3 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192570]  [] ?
nv_kern_ioctl+0x15e/0x480 [nvidia]
Jul 14 20:36:15 phelps kernel: [111935.192619]  [] ?
nv_kern_u

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Dave Morgan
On 15/07/12 at 08:40pm, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
>
> > Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log.  It should
> > tell you what the problem is.
>
> Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login
> Which is *very strange* ...
> Fortunately I could afford to just dump this system and do
> a fresh netinstall - all OK now.
>
> It was installed something like half a year ago and not used
> at all before I tried the upgrade. So I really wonder if the
> late 2011 install image followed by a pacman -Syu still works,
> as far as I can tell it doesn't, and only a netinstall will.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>

The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade
was forced.

--
Dave.


Re: [arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-15 Thread Victor Silva
2012/7/15 Not To Miss 

> Dear Arch users,
>
> I have latest Arch installed on my desktop at work. In recent two weeks,
> the system randomly "suspends" at night (I call it "randomly" because it
> didn't happen every night. And it seems to happen after a random period
> idle time) when I am off. I can't wake it up in the next morning thru mouse
> or keyboard.
>
> I tried to disable suspension and hibernation by editing
> /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy to change
> from
> yes
> to
> no
>
> But it doesn't work.
>
> While I call it "suspend", I am not sure it suspend to RAM or hibernate to
> disk, because I find the CPU fan and power fan still spin normally. RAM
> light is also on. So it might be a video driver / setting related issue.
> For your information, I am using nvidia-302.17-2-x86_64 and have dual
> monitor set up with nvidia-utils-302.17-1-x86_64
>
> This really bothers me a lot. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
>
> --
> Best,
> Zech
>
Any hint on /var/log/messages or /var/log/errors?


[arch-general] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-15 Thread Not To Miss
Dear Arch users,

I have latest Arch installed on my desktop at work. In recent two weeks,
the system randomly "suspends" at night (I call it "randomly" because it
didn't happen every night. And it seems to happen after a random period
idle time) when I am off. I can't wake it up in the next morning thru mouse
or keyboard.

I tried to disable suspension and hibernation by editing
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy to change
from
yes
to
no

But it doesn't work.

While I call it "suspend", I am not sure it suspend to RAM or hibernate to
disk, because I find the CPU fan and power fan still spin normally. RAM
light is also on. So it might be a video driver / setting related issue.
For your information, I am using nvidia-302.17-2-x86_64 and have dual
monitor set up with nvidia-utils-302.17-1-x86_64

This really bothers me a lot. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

-- 
Best,
Zech


Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, David Benfell
 wrote:
>
> I'd have to look into using a not-so-custom kernel (presumably from
> the Arch package). Ten years ago, I used to build kernels routinely.
> But it's not trivial anymore.

nah none of that :-) i detest compiling things.

i run the standard Arch kernel, same as any other machine -- you just
have to configure your instance to use pv-grub.

... basically, you just need to make a grub-legacy menu.lst file, put
it in the normal place on an ext3 partition, and go from there. no
real work in the end.

the arch kernel has all the necessary CONFIG_* bits to run unmodified
in the Linode XEN environment.

-- 

C Anthony


Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread Baho Utot

On 07/15/2012 06:25 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote:

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 05:20:03PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 07/15/2012 04:52 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote:

I missed your part about rebuilding before doing pacman -Syu --ignore
glibc, that should be unnecessary as the files will be available in
/usr/lib

libpam provided the only problem. When the initial pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
moved libpam* from /lib to /usr/lib, it left the system unable to build packages
that required libpam. I guess the search-path information was hardcoded in the
configure.in. I rebuilt the packages that needed rebuilding (hal, shadow
(modified), and virtualbox (aur)) on a second box and rsynced the new binaries
to the box that was partially updated. After installing the new packages that
removed all ownership from /lib (except for glibc), the final 'pacman -Su'
completed fine.

Progress is always a bit trying, but all in all, Arch did a good job with the 
move.


--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.



up to date pam in the repos has all of it's stuff in /usr/lib, you
didn't have pam up to date.  Also hal has been deprecated for 2 years
now, chances are whatever you think you need it for, you don't really
need it.  if you have hal because you are using [archlinuxfr] repo, you
should remove the archlinuxfr repo, hal, and check that you don't have
gen-init-cpio installed as that was removed from [archlinuxfr] at the
sametime hal was and only a few month ago even though both have been
deprecated for a while.

There was no where that said to mv stuff from /lib to /usr/lib
manually, everything instructed making sure you were entirely up to
date, if you are unsure if your mirror is synced recently enough, you
can check at http://www.archlinux.org/packages/


Actually he really needs hal -->Trinity requires it.




Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 05:20:03PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 07/15/2012 04:52 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote:
> > I missed your part about rebuilding before doing pacman -Syu --ignore
> > glibc, that should be unnecessary as the files will be available in
> > /usr/lib 
> 
> libpam provided the only problem. When the initial pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
> moved libpam* from /lib to /usr/lib, it left the system unable to build 
> packages
> that required libpam. I guess the search-path information was hardcoded in the
> configure.in. I rebuilt the packages that needed rebuilding (hal, shadow
> (modified), and virtualbox (aur)) on a second box and rsynced the new binaries
> to the box that was partially updated. After installing the new packages that
> removed all ownership from /lib (except for glibc), the final 'pacman -Su'
> completed fine.
> 
> Progress is always a bit trying, but all in all, Arch did a good job with the 
> move.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> 
> 

up to date pam in the repos has all of it's stuff in /usr/lib, you
didn't have pam up to date.  Also hal has been deprecated for 2 years
now, chances are whatever you think you need it for, you don't really
need it.  if you have hal because you are using [archlinuxfr] repo, you
should remove the archlinuxfr repo, hal, and check that you don't have
gen-init-cpio installed as that was removed from [archlinuxfr] at the
sametime hal was and only a few month ago even though both have been
deprecated for a while.

There was no where that said to mv stuff from /lib to /usr/lib
manually, everything instructed making sure you were entirely up to
date, if you are unsure if your mirror is synced recently enough, you
can check at http://www.archlinux.org/packages/ 


Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/15/2012 04:52 PM, Daniel Wallace wrote:
> I missed your part about rebuilding before doing pacman -Syu --ignore
> glibc, that should be unnecessary as the files will be available in
> /usr/lib 

libpam provided the only problem. When the initial pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
moved libpam* from /lib to /usr/lib, it left the system unable to build packages
that required libpam. I guess the search-path information was hardcoded in the
configure.in. I rebuilt the packages that needed rebuilding (hal, shadow
(modified), and virtualbox (aur)) on a second box and rsynced the new binaries
to the box that was partially updated. After installing the new packages that
removed all ownership from /lib (except for glibc), the final 'pacman -Su'
completed fine.

Progress is always a bit trying, but all in all, Arch did a good job with the 
move.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.




Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 04:20:36PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> All,
> 
>   After working through the glibc update on several boxes, there should be a
> _note_ added to the wiki. You should check the ownership of files in /lib
> _before_ attempting any part of the latest update with:
> 
> $ find /lib -exec pacman -Qo -- {} +
> 
>   You will need to rebuild _all_ custom packages _before_ issuing:
> 
> # pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
> 
>   Or you will be left _unable_ to rebuild the packages until you have finished
> the update due to the state of your system after pacman -Syu --ignore glibc.
> 
>   I know most of you know this, but for anyone who simply follows the wiki and
> gets to "Issue 2: The final "pacman -Su" still has conflicts in /lib" -- it 
> will
> be too late at that point. At this point, just complete the update by whatever
> means necessary to get the remaining non-glibc owned files out of /lib, 
> complete
> the update, then rebuild what you need.
> 
>   I didn't add the note to the wiki. I can, but don't want to do so until
> getting any feedback here.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> 

I missed your part about rebuilding before doing pacman -Syu --ignore
glibc, that should be unnecessary as the files will be available in
/usr/lib 


Re: [arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 04:20:36PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> All,
> 
>   After working through the glibc update on several boxes, there should be a
> _note_ added to the wiki. You should check the ownership of files in /lib
> _before_ attempting any part of the latest update with:
> 
> $ find /lib -exec pacman -Qo -- {} +
> 
>   You will need to rebuild _all_ custom packages _before_ issuing:
> 
> # pacman -Syu --ignore glibc
> 
>   Or you will be left _unable_ to rebuild the packages until you have finished
> the update due to the state of your system after pacman -Syu --ignore glibc.
> 
>   I know most of you know this, but for anyone who simply follows the wiki and
> gets to "Issue 2: The final "pacman -Su" still has conflicts in /lib" -- it 
> will
> be too late at that point. At this point, just complete the update by whatever
> means necessary to get the remaining non-glibc owned files out of /lib, 
> complete
> the update, then rebuild what you need.
> 
>   I didn't add the note to the wiki. I can, but don't want to do so until
> getting any feedback here.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> 

Is that not what it says? 

It already says "These packages need rebuilding so as not to include
the /lib directory. Then the final "pacman -Su" will successfully
install glibc." I don't see any reason that after reading that it
wouldn't be clear


[arch-general] DeveloperWiki:usrlib - Note -> rebuild any needed packages *before* attempting update

2012-07-15 Thread David C. Rankin
All,

  After working through the glibc update on several boxes, there should be a
_note_ added to the wiki. You should check the ownership of files in /lib
_before_ attempting any part of the latest update with:

$ find /lib -exec pacman -Qo -- {} +

  You will need to rebuild _all_ custom packages _before_ issuing:

# pacman -Syu --ignore glibc

  Or you will be left _unable_ to rebuild the packages until you have finished
the update due to the state of your system after pacman -Syu --ignore glibc.

  I know most of you know this, but for anyone who simply follows the wiki and
gets to "Issue 2: The final "pacman -Su" still has conflicts in /lib" -- it will
be too late at that point. At this point, just complete the update by whatever
means necessary to get the remaining non-glibc owned files out of /lib, complete
the update, then rebuild what you need.

  I didn't add the note to the wiki. I can, but don't want to do so until
getting any feedback here.


-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.



Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread David Benfell
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On 07/15/12 13:01, Ariel Popper wrote:
>> 
> I am having no troubles at all using 3.4.2-linode44 on an i686
> instance.
> 
Yeah, it's working for me, too.

But I haven't tried rebooting. ;-)

I'd have to look into using a not-so-custom kernel (presumably from
the Arch package). Ten years ago, I used to build kernels routinely.
But it's not trivial anymore.

- -- 
David Benfell
benf...@parts-unknown.org


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Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/15/2012 06:07 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> If you ignore (don't update) linux then the modules are, of course,
> still in /lib.
> 
> Maybe you should update your system following the News on the homepage.
> 
> Heiko

Hmm,

  I did, but I usually put off kernel updates for a week to insure there are not
gotchas. I understand now that this update is an "all or nothing" update. Would
have been nice to have that note as part of the announcement. We will get
through it, it will just be a bit more fun...

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.




Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote:
 
> Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log.  It should
> tell you what the problem is.

Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login
Which is *very strange* ...
Fortunately I could afford to just dump this system and do
a fresh netinstall - all OK now.

It was installed something like half a year ago and not used
at all before I tried the upgrade. So I really wonder if the
late 2011 install image followed by a pacman -Syu still works,
as far as I can tell it doesn't, and only a netinstall will.

Ciao,

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)



Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread Ariel Popper


On 7/15/2012 3:55 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, David Benfell
 wrote:

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On 07/15/12 08:07, Leonid Isaev wrote:

The kernel is not new, but the same with a changed location of the
modules. Why would you ever want to mask linux?


Those of us who are running Linodes may well all share this issue,
because Linode supplies the kernel. But isn't this what kmod is for (I
hope, I hope!)?

it's pretty easy to run a custom kernel on Linode -- that's what i do
with mine at least.

... prob not really an answer in your mind :-) but a possibility.

personally i'm curious why it's an issue at all -- if /lib/ is a
symlink, why can't modules in /usr/lib/ be found?  doesn't kmod follow
symlinks? ... all my stuff is working fine, but now i'm compelled to
seek the answer.


I am having no troubles at all using 3.4.2-linode44 on an i686 instance.



Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:25 PM, David Benfell
 wrote:
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> On 07/15/12 08:07, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>>
>> The kernel is not new, but the same with a changed location of the
>> modules. Why would you ever want to mask linux?
>>
> Those of us who are running Linodes may well all share this issue,
> because Linode supplies the kernel. But isn't this what kmod is for (I
> hope, I hope!)?

it's pretty easy to run a custom kernel on Linode -- that's what i do
with mine at least.

... prob not really an answer in your mind :-) but a possibility.

personally i'm curious why it's an issue at all -- if /lib/ is a
symlink, why can't modules in /usr/lib/ be found?  doesn't kmod follow
symlinks? ... all my stuff is working fine, but now i'm compelled to
seek the answer.

-- 

C Anthony


Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread David Benfell
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On 07/15/12 08:07, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> 
> The kernel is not new, but the same with a changed location of the
> modules. Why would you ever want to mask linux?
> 
Those of us who are running Linodes may well all share this issue,
because Linode supplies the kernel. But isn't this what kmod is for (I
hope, I hope!)?

- -- 
David Benfell
benf...@parts-unknown.org


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Re: [arch-general] Failed to compile Emacs

2012-07-15 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:40:09 +0700
Diep Pham Van  wrote:

> After apply this patch, I get:
> 
> cd /home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1 && automake --gnu -a -c lib/Makefile
> configure.in:29: error: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.12.2,
> configure.in:29: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
> configure.in:29: comes from Automake 1.11.1.  You should recreate
> configure.in:29: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
> make: *** [/home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1/lib/Makefile.in] Error 63
> config.status: executing gdbinit commands
> cd /home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1 && automake --gnu -a -c lib/Makefile
> configure.in:29: error: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.12.2,
> configure.in:29: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
> configure.in:29: comes from Automake 1.11.1.  You should recreate
> configure.in:29: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
> make: *** [/home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1/lib/Makefile.in] Error 63
> ==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
> Aborting...
> 
> How can I solve it?

By doing exactly what it tells you -- running aclocal and autoconf in PKGBUILD
right after patching.

> 
> At Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:12:02 -0500,
> Leonid Isaev  wrote:
> > 
> > [1  ]
> > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:21:47 +0700
> > Diep Pham Van  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hello every one, 
> > > I've tried to compile emacs and fail.
> > > 
> > > You can view the `makepkg -s` ouput here[1].
> > > I think the important part here:
> > > 
> > > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > > In file included from md5.h:24:0,
> > >  from md5.c:25:
> > > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > > make[2]: *** [sha1.o] Error 1
> > > make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> > > make[2]: *** [md5.o] Error 1
> > > mv -f .deps/careadlinkat.Tpo .deps/careadlinkat.Po
> > > In file included from sha256.h:21:0,
> > >  from sha256.c:25:
> > > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > > make: *** [lib] Error 2
> > > 
> > > I do not to know what to do here. Any one can help me with this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1] https://gist.github.com/3112844
> > 
> > A simple google search yields this:
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-07/msg00240.html...
> > Does it answer your question?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Leonid Isaev
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Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:35:58 -0500
"David C. Rankin"  wrote:

> Tom, All,
> 
>   I see the glibc /lib move is out of testing. I updated with --ignore
> linux,glibc and received an install warning from kmod stating:
> 
> ==> Kernel modules are now only read from /usr/lib/modules...
> 
>   My modules are still shown in /lib. Does this mean I cannot reboot safely
> and expect it to work? Since I wanted to delay install of the new kernel and
> glibc, should I also have excluded kmod?
> 

The kernel is not new, but the same with a changed location of the modules.
Why would you ever want to mask linux?

Just run "pacman -Syu" and reboot...

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Leonid Isaev
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Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:35:58AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
> Tom, All,
> 
>   I see the glibc /lib move is out of testing. I updated with --ignore
> linux,glibc and received an install warning from kmod stating:
> 
> ==> Kernel modules are now only read from /usr/lib/modules...
> 
>   My modules are still shown in /lib. Does this mean I cannot reboot safely 
> and
> expect it to work? Since I wanted to delay install of the new kernel and 
> glibc,
> should I also have excluded kmod?
> 
> -- 
> David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> 

it is possible to still have /lib/modules, but have your modules in
/usr/lib/modules.  Follow issue 2 from the wiki page mentioned in the
news.  There is a find command to tell you what is in /lib that is not
owned.  The grep command will tell you what pacman thinks should be in
/lib, if you have something that is in there that isn't glibc, either
pacman -R it or rebuild it with a fixed pkgbuild that puts them in
/usr/lib


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Re: [arch-general] Upgraded kmod, but --ignored linux & glibc, modules still in /lib - can I reboot safely?

2012-07-15 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:35:58 -0500
schrieb "David C. Rankin" :

> Tom, All,
> 
>   I see the glibc /lib move is out of testing. I updated with --ignore
> linux,glibc and received an install warning from kmod stating:
> 
> ==> Kernel modules are now only read from /usr/lib/modules...
> 
>   My modules are still shown in /lib. Does this mean I cannot reboot
> safely and expect it to work? Since I wanted to delay install of the
> new kernel and glibc, should I also have excluded kmod?

If you ignore (don't update) linux then the modules are, of course,
still in /lib.

Maybe you should update your system following the News on the homepage.

Heiko


Re: [arch-general] Failed to compile Emacs

2012-07-15 Thread Diep Pham Van
After apply this patch, I get:

cd /home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1 && automake --gnu -a -c lib/Makefile
configure.in:29: error: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.12.2,
configure.in:29: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
configure.in:29: comes from Automake 1.11.1.  You should recreate
configure.in:29: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
make: *** [/home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1/lib/Makefile.in] Error 63
config.status: executing gdbinit commands
cd /home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1 && automake --gnu -a -c lib/Makefile
configure.in:29: error: version mismatch.  This is Automake 1.12.2,
configure.in:29: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
configure.in:29: comes from Automake 1.11.1.  You should recreate
configure.in:29: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again.
make: *** [/home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1/lib/Makefile.in] Error 63
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
Aborting...

How can I solve it?

At Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:12:02 -0500,
Leonid Isaev  wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 02:21:47 +0700
> Diep Pham Van  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello every one, 
> > I've tried to compile emacs and fail.
> > 
> > You can view the `makepkg -s` ouput here[1].
> > I think the important part here:
> > 
> > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > In file included from md5.h:24:0,
> >  from md5.c:25:
> > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > make[2]: *** [sha1.o] Error 1
> > make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
> > make[2]: *** [md5.o] Error 1
> > mv -f .deps/careadlinkat.Tpo .deps/careadlinkat.Po
> > In file included from sha256.h:21:0,
> >  from sha256.c:25:
> > ./stdio.h:1030:1: error: ‘gets’ undeclared here (not in a function)
> > make: *** [lib] Error 2
> > 
> > I do not to know what to do here. Any one can help me with this?
> > 
> > 
> > [1] https://gist.github.com/3112844
> 
> A simple google search yields this:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-07/msg00240.html...
> Does it answer your question?
> 
> -- 
> Leonid Isaev
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Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Dave Morgan
On 15/07/12 at 08:35P, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t.
> the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying
> 'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink.
>
> On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after
> entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and
> after a few seconds the screen is cleared and the login
> prompt returns.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> --
> FA
>
> A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
> It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
> and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)
>

Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log.  It should
tell you what the problem is.

--
Dave.


[arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all,

I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t.
the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying
'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink.

On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after
entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and
after a few seconds the screen is cleared and the login
prompt returns. 

Any ideas ?

-- 
FA

A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia.
It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris
and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow)