Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:24:36 -0500
David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:

 Guys,
 
   For those that rely on OpenOffice, and for those that prepare
 the packages, it's official, OpenOffice forked as of Sept. 28, 2010.
 Here is the press release:
 
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html
 
Main Site:
 
 http://www.documentfoundation.org/
 
   Probably best for the long run...
 

Our package maintainers follow their projects.
In fact Andy is already working on new packages, he posted this to
arch-dev-public.

PS: hundreds of people are following this mailing list, so every mail
you send ends up in all those peoples mailboxes, maybe you can restrict
your emails to the more useful stuff.

Dieter 


Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread John Holbrook
I know a fork can be a pain but why do you say Ugh?

When the project was under Sun they maintained way too tight of
control over everything and they really didn't get the whole Open
Source philosophy.

Under Oracle? Well, we've seen what they've done with OpenSolaris

I think that Oracle is trying to be the new M$.


Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread Guus Snijders

On 29-09-10 05:24, David C. Rankin wrote:

Guys,

For those that rely on OpenOffice, and for those that prepare the
packages, it's official, OpenOffice forked as of Sept. 28, 2010. Here
is the press release:

http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html


Thanks David, i had seen the name libreoffice somewhere, but it didn't 
ring a bell so far.




mvg,
   Guus


Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from Dieter Plaetinck's message of 2010-09-29 09:39:07 +0200:
 On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:24:36 -0500
 David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
 
  Guys,
  
  For those that rely on OpenOffice, and for those that prepare
  the packages, it's official, OpenOffice forked as of Sept. 28, 2010.
  Here is the press release:
  
  http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html
  
 Main Site:
  
  http://www.documentfoundation.org/
  
  Probably best for the long run...
  
 
 Our package maintainers follow their projects.
 In fact Andy is already working on new packages, he posted this to
 arch-dev-public.
 
 PS: hundreds of people are following this mailing list, so every mail
 you send ends up in all those peoples mailboxes, maybe you can restrict
 your emails to the more useful stuff.
 
 Dieter 

I really didn't know of it before the two threads on this list that
mentioned it now. On the other hand, neither message made clear what's
actually going on.

Which seems to be...
1) There were plans for an independent foundation before, but they were
never realised
2) Oracle seems to not have interest in some of the stuff they acquired
with sun
3) Oracle seems to be a huge, slow and bureaucratic monster

The above is just the impression I got from reading some stuff about it



Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread Cristopher Thomas
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:39, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote:
 PS: hundreds of people are following this mailing list, so every mail
 you send ends up in all those peoples mailboxes, maybe you can restrict
 your emails to the more useful stuff.

As you clearly see this as an obscene transgression and a gross
invasion of your valuable inbox space, why further aggravate the
problem by posting to the list to criticize the OP for posting to the
list?


Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread David C. Rankin
On 09/29/2010 09:30 AM, John Holbrook wrote:
 I know a fork can be a pain but why do you say Ugh?
 
 When the project was under Sun they maintained way too tight of
 control over everything and they really didn't get the whole Open
 Source philosophy.
 
 Under Oracle? Well, we've seen what they've done with OpenSolaris
 
 I think that Oracle is trying to be the new M$.
 

The only reason I say Ugh... is the older I get, the more a creature of habit I
become. A decade ago I used to get excited when packages forked and had the time
to go play. Today, 3-kids later, time is at a premium and I prefer when things
just continue to work so I don't end up spending 10's of hours trouble-shooting
and writing bug reports. I still do the trouble-shooting and I still write bug
reports, but  exciting it ain't and something else has to get pushed off to
do it.

That being so, I'm not at all unhappy about the choice to fork OO. I think the
devs saw some real conflicts in culture coming down the road and were probably
really smart to do it before a crisis ensued.

So all Ugh's aside, I'm optimistic about LibreOffice and I'm just crossing my
fingers the fork doesn't cost me a work-week worth of hours over the next year
to trouble-shoot and bug. If it does -- that's a price I'm willing to pay :p

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Re: [arch-general] Ugh.. It's Official -- OpenOffice is forked -- LibreOffice

2010-09-29 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 00:31 +0300, Cristopher Thomas wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:39, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be wrote:
  PS: hundreds of people are following this mailing list, so every mail
  you send ends up in all those peoples mailboxes, maybe you can restrict
  your emails to the more useful stuff.
 
 As you clearly see this as an obscene transgression and a gross
 invasion of your valuable inbox space, why further aggravate the
 problem by posting to the list to criticize the OP for posting to the
 list?

Educational purpose? Its always kinda odd to see posts along the lines
of 'why bother posting this noise?' since its quite self-implicatory.

And yes, this applies to all 3 of these replies so far.