[asterisk-users] CallerID in UK on TalkTalk - different to BT?

2006-07-08 Thread Angus Comber
Hello

I had an Asterisk installation working fine for CallerID on BT analog lines
using a Digium analog 4 port card.  However, user switched to TalkTalk
without telling me and CallerID no longer works.  However, if you connect a
UK CallerID capable phone into one of these analog lines directly you do see
the CallerID.

Does anyone know how to tweak the settings for Talk Talk.  Talk Talk have
basically taken over the line rental - and they supply everything including
the CLIP (CallerID) service now.

Just to be clear CallerID was working fine before when line rental supplied
by BT.

Some of zapata.conf:
usecallerid=yes
cidsignalling=v23   ; added for UK CLI detection
cidstart=polarity   ; added for UK CLI detection

Angus


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Re: [asterisk-users] CallerID in UK on TalkTalk - different to BT?

2006-07-08 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 10:59:49AM +0100, Angus Comber wrote:

 I had an Asterisk installation working fine for CallerID on BT analog lines
 using a Digium analog 4 port card.  However, user switched to TalkTalk
 without telling me and CallerID no longer works.  However, if you connect a
 UK CallerID capable phone into one of these analog lines directly you do see
 the CallerID.
 Does anyone know how to tweak the settings for Talk Talk.  Talk Talk have
 basically taken over the line rental - and they supply everything including
 the CLIP (CallerID) service now.
 Just to be clear CallerID was working fine before when line rental supplied
 by BT.

Even though the line has been taken over by TalkTalk, it's still a BT
line off a BT Exchange so the initial leg of the call (or final
depending on your point of view) is still BT.

Steve

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Re: [asterisk-users] CallerID in UK on TalkTalk - different to BT?

2006-07-08 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Kennedy wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 10:59:49AM +0100, Angus Comber wrote:

   
 I had an Asterisk installation working fine for CallerID on BT analog lines
 using a Digium analog 4 port card.  However, user switched to TalkTalk
 without telling me and CallerID no longer works.  However, if you connect a
 UK CallerID capable phone into one of these analog lines directly you do see
 the CallerID.
 Does anyone know how to tweak the settings for Talk Talk.  Talk Talk have
 basically taken over the line rental - and they supply everything including
 the CLIP (CallerID) service now.
 Just to be clear CallerID was working fine before when line rental supplied
 by BT.
 

 Even though the line has been taken over by TalkTalk, it's still a BT
 line off a BT Exchange so the initial leg of the call (or final
 depending on your point of view) is still BT.

 Steve
   
I thought that the line would now go through talktalk (It is an LLU
service after all).

FWIW, the same thing happened to me with a line that moved to bulldog.

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Re: [asterisk-users] CallerID in UK on TalkTalk - different to BT?

2006-07-08 Thread Angus Comber
Its strange, if I reboot my Asterisk you get no callerid.  But then if you
do a reload of the config then callerid comes back.  any ideas why this
could happen?

Angus

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 On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 10:59:49AM +0100, Angus Comber wrote:

  I had an Asterisk installation working fine for CallerID on BT analog
lines
  using a Digium analog 4 port card.  However, user switched to TalkTalk
  without telling me and CallerID no longer works.  However, if you
connect a
  UK CallerID capable phone into one of these analog lines directly you do
see
  the CallerID.
  Does anyone know how to tweak the settings for Talk Talk.  Talk Talk
have
  basically taken over the line rental - and they supply everything
including
  the CLIP (CallerID) service now.
  Just to be clear CallerID was working fine before when line rental
supplied
  by BT.

 Even though the line has been taken over by TalkTalk, it's still a BT
 line off a BT Exchange so the initial leg of the call (or final
 depending on your point of view) is still BT.

 Steve

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Re: [asterisk-users] CallerID in UK on TalkTalk - different to BT?

2006-07-08 Thread Steve Kennedy
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 01:55:00PM +0100, Thomas Kenyon wrote:

[snip]
 I thought that the line would now go through talktalk (It is an LLU
 service after all).
 FWIW, the same thing happened to me with a line that moved to bulldog.

In the UK BT still own 85% of all copper into premises. Ofcom forced
them to relinquish various controls so others could offer service using
their lines (but BT still remain owners of the copper).

Initially there was CPS (carrier pre select) whereby the line was still
rented from BT, but another operator would get all the call traffic,
this is done by programming the line in the exchange.

There is now also WLR (wholesale line rental) where the billing of the
line is taken over by the other operator, but call traffic really stills
go through the exchange to another operator.

With LLU (local loop unbundling) there are two options, shared metallic
path, whereby BT bill the line and do voice, and the LLU operator takes
the broadband service.

Non-shared, the line is completely jumpered to the LLU operator and they
take voice and data (Bulldog used this).

TalkTalk WILL do full non-shared service, however as they haven't built
out enough most of the customers they're signing up are actually using
BT Wholesale for broadband provision and using WLR for voice. They will
eventually migrate those users to their own kit when they unbundle the
exchange.


Steve

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