Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] So... I've followed the instructions

[Cheri Mello]

Julie,
Email me after July 18th. I'm in the Azores and will be home on the 18th. I
will look at your results and let you know what I am seeing. Be sure to
grant me at least Limited Access (privacy settings) or I cannot see your
page and help. Thanks, Cheri

On Jun 29, 2018 11:34 PM, "Julie Collins (Skellern)" 
wrote:

> and my autosomal DNA from ancestry is now on FTDna, and I've joined the
> Azores project… but what next?
>
> I’ve been coming across people on ancestry who obviously are connected to
> me somehow in the Azores, but even though I’ve messaged them, I’ve not had
> a response, and as my only known Azorean ancestor is a total stumbling
> block… to get beyond (despite twice searching through all the Faial
> parishes after his dob )  I’m really hoping for a DNA link somewhere, that
> might help.
>
> He is… (Anglicised) Manual DIAZ, born 31 August 1840.
>
> My gt.gt. grandmother was born in New Zealand:
> Birth: 1868/13060 Deers Amelia Eliza Ann Emmanuel
>
> St Patrick’s Cathedral, Auckland
> Baptism 12 August 1868, birth as: 28 May,
> Amelia Jane DIEZ,
> parents: Manuel GOREZ & Elizabeth (sic)
> Godparents Alfred COURTNEY, Louisa COURTNEY* (Eliza’s siblings)*
>
> Is the GOREZ the clue to why I’ve not found him before?
>
>
> Julie
> New Zealand
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[AZORES-Genealogy] So... I've followed the instructions

[Julie Collins (Skellern)]

and my autosomal DNA from ancestry is now on FTDna, and I've joined the Azores 
project… but what next?  

I’ve been coming across people on ancestry who obviously are connected to me 
somehow in the Azores, but even though I’ve messaged them, I’ve not had a 
response, and as my only known Azorean ancestor is a total stumbling block… to 
get beyond (despite twice searching through all the Faial parishes after his 
dob )  I’m really hoping for a DNA link somewhere, that might help. 

He is… (Anglicised) Manual DIAZ, born 31 August 1840. 

My gt.gt. grandmother was born in New Zealand:
Birth: 1868/13060 Deers Amelia Eliza Ann Emmanuel

St Patrick’s Cathedral, Auckland
Baptism 12 August 1868, birth as: 28 May, 
Amelia Jane DIEZ, 
parents: Manuel GOREZ & Elizabeth (sic) 
Godparents Alfred COURTNEY, Louisa COURTNEY (Eliza’s siblings)

Is the GOREZ the clue to why I’ve not found him before?


Julie
New Zealand

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priests

[Margaret Vicente]

Maria, 

Yes there may be a certification note on the margin of the baptism.  

Do you have a name and date if his birth.  Also, if you know where he served 
you can write to that church for more information.

Margaret

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> On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:42 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Maria,
> Don't know if this really answers your questions but when a man wanted to 
> become a Priest he had to prove his ancestors back 4 generations. These 
> records are called Degenere (sp?) and as dispensation records, hold much 
> genealogical info but they are not all still around! They would be help in 
> the Archive at Angra. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:33 AM, Maria Sousa  
>> wrote:
>> If a child is born and becomes a priest as an adult, would there be an 
>> indication in the left margin of the child's birth record?
>> 
>> Are there any records for Priests of a certain parish?  I am looking for a 
>> priest at Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lomba de Maia, Sao Miguel.  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] #83

[Liz Migliori]

It must be Santa. My grandfather
But can you tell me what’s in the other columns 

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> On Jun 29, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
> 
> Elizabeth,
> 
> Jose Silveira do Santo?  Look at #87 & #89--middle name.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P206.html
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Can someone tell me who is #83  and all the info in the columns.   I know 
>> it's small.
>> 
>> Liz Migliori
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Cheri Mello]

Yes you can download some versions of 23 and Me. Do you know when you
tested with them? Thanks, Cheri

On Jun 29, 2018 7:35 AM, "Maria Sousa"  wrote:

> Can you also download raw data from 23andme to FamilytreeDNA?
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:23 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are Cheri's instructions on how to transfer the DNA data from
>> Ancestry to FamilyTreeDna.com:
>>
>> 1) Download the raw data from Ancestry DNA:
>> https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-Raw-DNA-
>> Data-1460089696533
>>
>> 2) While waiting for the file to be compiled and emailed, create an
>> account on FTDNA:
>> https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer
>>
>> 3) Download the raw data file that is in the email. Hopefully, it
>> downloads to the Download folder or the Desktop.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) AncestryDNA changed their chip again and it's incompatible. Use this
>> converter tool:
>> http://www.mapmy23.com/tools/ancestry_ftdna_fix.php
>>
>>
>>
>> 5) Upload the raw data to the FTDNA page. Then join the Azores DNA
>> project.
>>
>> How to join a Project:
>>
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>>
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at
>> Projects. When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>>
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
>> to the JOIN button at the end.
>>
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
>> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>>
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>> All Ancestry DNA people need to transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). I
>>> will check and see if I have the directions with me and send them in the
>>> morning. Cheri
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018 5:10 PM, "Pete Jollymour" <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see
 your family tree?
 There are several matching names there!
 Thanks

 Pete

 On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa <
 priscillasousa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree
 does not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do
 campo and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta,
 Tavares Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA?
 I would love for you view my tree


  Im in São miguel
 Priscilla Sousa

 On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family
> tree back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are
> visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any
> relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow
> with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
> Pete
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[JR]

I just you this with Pedigree chart:

Manuel de Melo Barbosa and Maria Julia Joaquina Linhares 
received dispensation account related in third degree. They married 26 Nov 
1854. Manuel is son of  Ana Rosa ES and Francisco de Melo Barbosa; Ana is 
filha de Manuel Furtado and Mariana da Trindade.

JR

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 7:54:26 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Good news and bad news.
>
> Good:
> Looks like there are more dispensations in the early 1800s than the 1700s. 
> Gaps still exist though.
>
> Bad:
> Ok, the one grandkid that JR gave me has no dispensation because there's a 
> gap of missing records.
>
> I can go back to the archive on Tuesday, but I need more of you to check 
> your genealogy programs for Manuel Furtado & Marianna da Trindade.
> Thanks, Cheri
>
> On Jun 29, 2018 3:39 AM, "Cheri Mello" > 
> wrote:
>
>> OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs 
>> and search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more 
>> than one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and 
>> miss. There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one 
>> couple to search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF & 
>> MT) doesn't mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants 
>> that I have, the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and 
>> MT. Please look. I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's 
>> only if I can escape from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want 
>> to be successful in the search. Thanks, Cheri
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018 3:35 AM, "Cheri Mello" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao 
>>> Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in 
>>> São Pedro in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized 
>>> at SMA and one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta 
>>> Garca). 
>>>
>>> I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3 
>>> exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their 
>>> kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid 
>>> married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move 
>>> on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and 
>>> see what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel 
>>> & Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull 
>>> the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel & 
>>> Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and 
>>> great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.
>>>
>>> My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that 
>>> comes up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases, 
>>> the sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days 
>>> for retrieval, so the sooner the better.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Cheri
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[Cheri Mello]

Good news and bad news.

Good:
Looks like there are more dispensations in the early 1800s than the 1700s.
Gaps still exist though.

Bad:
Ok, the one grandkid that JR gave me has no dispensation because there's a
gap of missing records.

I can go back to the archive on Tuesday, but I need more of you to check
your genealogy programs for Manuel Furtado & Marianna da Trindade.
Thanks, Cheri

On Jun 29, 2018 3:39 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs
> and search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more
> than one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and
> miss. There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one
> couple to search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF &
> MT) doesn't mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants
> that I have, the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and
> MT. Please look. I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's
> only if I can escape from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want
> to be successful in the search. Thanks, Cheri
>
> On Jun 28, 2018 3:35 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>
>> To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao
>> Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in
>> São Pedro in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized
>> at SMA and one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta
>> Garca).
>>
>> I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3
>> exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their
>> kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid
>> married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move
>> on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids
>> though.
>>
>> If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and
>> see what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel
>> & Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull
>> the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel &
>> Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and
>> great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.
>>
>> My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that
>> comes up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases,
>> the sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days
>> for retrieval, so the sooner the better.
>>
>> Thanks, Cheri
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] #83

[Sandra Perez]

Elizabeth,

Jose Silveira do Santo?  Look at #87 & #89--middle name.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:55 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P206.html
>
> Hello,
> Can someone tell me who is #83  and all the info in the columns.   I know
> it's small.
>
> Liz Migliori
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priests

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Maria,
Don't know if this really answers your questions but when a man wanted to
become a Priest he had to prove his ancestors back 4 generations. These
records are called Degenere (sp?) and as dispensation records, hold much
genealogical info but they are not all still around! They would be help in
the Archive at Angra.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:33 AM, Maria Sousa 
wrote:

> If a child is born and becomes a priest as an adult, would there be an
> indication in the left margin of the child's birth record?
>
> Are there any records for Priests of a certain parish?  I am looking for a
> priest at Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lomba de Maia, Sao Miguel.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Pete Jollymour]

a...@icloud.com

Pete

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 6:09 PM, Priscilla Sousa  
> wrote:
> 
> My email is priscillasousa...@gmail.com
>  If I can have your email to view 
> 
> This is so interesting 
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:10 AM Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see your 
>> family tree?
>> There are several matching names there!
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree does 
>>> not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do campo 
>>> and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta, Tavares 
>>> Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA? I would 
>>> love for you view my tree 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Im in São miguel 
>>> Priscilla Sousa 
>>> 
 On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi
 My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family tree 
 back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are 
 visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any 
 relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow 
 with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Maria Sousa]

Can you also download raw data from 23andme to FamilytreeDNA?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:23 AM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Here are Cheri's instructions on how to transfer the DNA data from
> Ancestry to FamilyTreeDna.com:
>
> 1) Download the raw data from Ancestry DNA:
>
> https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533
>
> 2) While waiting for the file to be compiled and emailed, create an
> account on FTDNA:
> https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer
>
> 3) Download the raw data file that is in the email. Hopefully, it
> downloads to the Download folder or the Desktop.
>
>
>
> 4) AncestryDNA changed their chip again and it's incompatible. Use this
> converter tool:
> http://www.mapmy23.com/tools/ancestry_ftdna_fix.php
>
>
>
> 5) Upload the raw data to the FTDNA page. Then join the Azores DNA project.
>
> How to join a Project:
>
> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>
> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>
> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down
> to the JOIN button at the end.
>
> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
> "Search by Surname" and type: azores.
>
> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Why is that?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> All Ancestry DNA people need to transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). I
>> will check and see if I have the directions with me and send them in the
>> morning. Cheri
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018 5:10 PM, "Pete Jollymour" <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see
>>> your family tree?
>>> There are several matching names there!
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa <
>>> priscillasousa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree
>>> does not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do
>>> campo and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta,
>>> Tavares Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA?
>>> I would love for you view my tree
>>>
>>>
>>>  Im in São miguel
>>> Priscilla Sousa
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi
 My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family
 tree back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are
 visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any
 relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow
 with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Priests

[Maria Sousa]

If a child is born and becomes a priest as an adult, would there be an
indication in the left margin of the child's birth record?

Are there any records for Priests of a certain parish?  I am looking for a
priest at Nossa Senhora do Rosario in Lomba de Maia, Sao Miguel.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Here are Cheri's instructions on how to transfer the DNA data from Ancestry
to FamilyTreeDna.com:

1) Download the raw data from Ancestry DNA:
https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533

2) While waiting for the file to be compiled and emailed, create an account
on FTDNA:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer

3) Download the raw data file that is in the email. Hopefully, it downloads
to the Download folder or the Desktop.



4) AncestryDNA changed their chip again and it's incompatible. Use this
converter tool:
http://www.mapmy23.com/tools/ancestry_ftdna_fix.php



5) Upload the raw data to the FTDNA page. Then join the Azores DNA project.

How to join a Project:

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.








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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why is that?
>
> Pete
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> All Ancestry DNA people need to transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). I
> will check and see if I have the directions with me and send them in the
> morning. Cheri
>
> On Jun 28, 2018 5:10 PM, "Pete Jollymour" <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see
>> your family tree?
>> There are several matching names there!
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree
>> does not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do
>> campo and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta,
>> Tavares Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA?
>> I would love for you view my tree
>>
>>
>>  Im in São miguel
>> Priscilla Sousa
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family
>>> tree back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are
>>> visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any
>>> relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow
>>> with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Pete
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Altino,

Those are the children of Manuel Furtado & Mariana da Trindade. None of the
kids married their cousins, so there's no dispensation to pull. So I'm
after the grandkids. I don't have ALL the grandkids in my computer. So I
need a GRANDCHILD who hopefully married a cousin. Maybe a GREAT-GRANDCHILD.
The kids did not marry cousins. Rats!  Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 5:51 AM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I would think you have these already, but in case you don’t have your
> computer with you
>
> Justina de Piedade m Eminegildo
> Ponta Garca
> 05 Jan 1813
>
> Antonio da Costa m Josefa de Jesus
>
> Antonia de Trinidad m Francisco da Costa Carneiro
> Ponta Garca
> 14 Sept 1809
>
> Ana de Espírito Santo m Francisco de Mello Barboza
> Ponta Garca
> 08 Nov 1813
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs
> and search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more
> than one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and
> miss. There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one
> couple to search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF &
> MT) doesn't mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants
> that I have, the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and
> MT. Please look. I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's
> only if I can escape from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want
> to be successful in the search. Thanks, Cheri
>
> On Jun 28, 2018 3:35 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>
>> To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao
>> Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in
>> São Pedro in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized
>> at SMA and one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta
>> Garca).
>>
>> I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3
>> exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their
>> kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid
>> married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move
>> on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids
>> though.
>>
>> If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and
>> see what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel
>> & Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull
>> the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel &
>> Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and
>> great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.
>>
>> My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that
>> comes up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases,
>> the sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days
>> for retrieval, so the sooner the better.
>>
>> Thanks, Cheri
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

['Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy]

I would think you have these already, but in case you don’t have your computer 
with you

Justina de Piedade m Eminegildo
Ponta Garca
05 Jan 1813

Antonio da Costa m Josefa de Jesus

Antonia de Trinidad m Francisco da Costa Carneiro
Ponta Garca 
14 Sept 1809

Ana de Espírito Santo m Francisco de Mello Barboza
Ponta Garca 
08 Nov 1813

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs and 
> search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more than 
> one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and miss. 
> There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one couple to 
> search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF & MT) doesn't 
> mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants that I have, 
> the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and MT. Please look. 
> I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's only if I can escape 
> from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want to be successful in the 
> search. Thanks, Cheri
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2018 3:35 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:
>> To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao Miguel 
>> Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in São Pedro 
>> in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized at SMA and 
>> one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta Garca). 
>> 
>> I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3 
>> exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their 
>> kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid 
>> married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move 
>> on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids 
>> though.
>> 
>> If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and see 
>> what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel & 
>> Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull 
>> the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel & 
>> Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and 
>> great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.
>> 
>> My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that comes 
>> up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases, the 
>> sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days for 
>> retrieval, so the sooner the better.
>> 
>> Thanks, Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Manuel Furtado (1750s-1813) & Marianna da Trindade (1750s-1823) of Vila Franca & Ponta Garca

[Cheri Mello]

OK Ponta Garca researchers...I need you to open your genealogy programs and
search for Manuel Furtado (MF) & Marianna da Trindade (MT). I need more
than one descendant couple to search on. The dispensations are VERY hit and
miss. There are many missing dispensations. Just because JR gave me one
couple to search (they are 2nd cousins...So the line WILL go beyond MF &
MT) doesn't mean that the dispensation exists anymore. The more descendants
that I have, the more chances we have to figure out the parents of MF and
MT. Please look. I have only today (Fri) and Tuesday to look. And that's
only if I can escape from these band people! Lol I will escape, but I want
to be successful in the search. Thanks, Cheri

On Jun 28, 2018 3:35 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> To those who descend from Manuel Furtado (born c. 1750s probably Sao
> Miguel Arcanjo in Vila Franca) and Marianna da Trindade (born c. 1750s in
> São Pedro in Vila Franca)...This couple had  a bunch of kids (one baptized
> at SMA and one baptized at S.Pedro in VFranca, with the rest born in Ponta
> Garca).
>
> I pulled the dispensations for Sao Miguel island from 1770-1775. Only 3
> exist and none are Manuel and Marianna. So I checked to see if any of their
> kids married cousins so I could pull those dispensations. Not a single kid
> married a cousin! Where's a cousin when you need one? So I decided to move
> on to the grandkids of Manuel & Marianna. I don't have ALL the grandkids
> though.
>
> If you are Manuel & Marianna descendant, can you check your database and
> see what you have on your branch for grandkids or great-grandkids of Manuel
> & Marianna? If the grandkid or great-grandkid married a cousin, I will pull
> the dispensation and maybe we can solve the mystery of who Manuel &
> Marianna's parents are. I don't have the time to research grandkids and
> great-grandkids all myself to figure out who married a cousin.
>
> My time here is tricky between performances and just other stuff that
> comes up with traveling groups. So the sooner you can check your databases,
> the sooner I can make plans to pull the dispensations. It may take 2 days
> for retrieval, so the sooner the better.
>
> Thanks, Cheri
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Cheri Mello]

Priscilla, I will be on Sao Miguel (in Ponta Delgada) from 10 to 16 July.
Maybe we can meet? I have a Portuguese mobile phone. Email me at gfscherim
at gmail.com and I will give it to you.

On Jun 29, 2018 2:23 AM, "Priscilla Sousa" 
wrote:

> My email is priscillasousa...@gmail.com
>  If I can have your email to view
>
> This is so interesting
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:10 AM Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see
>> your family tree?
>> There are several matching names there!
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree
>> does not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do
>> campo and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta,
>> Tavares Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA?
>> I would love for you view my tree
>>
>>
>>  Im in São miguel
>> Priscilla Sousa
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family
>>> tree back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are
>>> visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any
>>> relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow
>>> with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Pete
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Priscilla Sousa]

My email is priscillasousa...@gmail.com
 If I can have your email to view

This is so interesting

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:10 AM Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see
> your family tree?
> There are several matching names there!
> Thanks
>
>
> Pete
>
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa 
> wrote:
>
> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree does
> not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do campo
> and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta, Tavares
> Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA? I would
> love for you view my tree
>
>
>  Im in São miguel
> Priscilla Sousa
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family
>> tree back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are
>> visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any
>> relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow
>> with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
>> Pete
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel history

[Pete Jollymour]

Why is that?

Pete

> On Jun 28, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> All Ancestry DNA people need to transfer to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). I will 
> check and see if I have the directions with me and send them in the morning. 
> Cheri
> 
> On Jun 28, 2018 5:10 PM, "Pete Jollymour" <3apet...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> I have Ancestry DNA. I’m not really sure how to use it. How would I see your 
> family tree?
> There are several matching names there!
> Thanks 
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Priscilla Sousa  > wrote:
> 
>> Wow your family tree is fantastic. I’m new to this and my family tree does 
>> not go back that far but, my family is from Sao miguel vila Franca do campo 
>> and surrounding area, my family names are, sousa, pacheco, Dacosta, Tavares 
>> Amaral patricio and soares... do you have Gedmatch or AncestryDNA? I would 
>> love for you view my tree 
>> 
>> 
>>  Im in São miguel 
>> Priscilla Sousa 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:16 PM <3apet...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> Hi
>> My family left Sao Miguel in the late 1800s. We have a partial family tree 
>> back to late 1600s. I would be glad to share this with anyone. We are 
>> visiting Sao Miguel in late October, and would like to be able to meet any 
>> relatives still there. If there is any way that the family tree can grow 
>> with information from this group, this would be greatly appreciated.
>> Pete
>> 
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