Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Peter Janssen
Hi,

might be me, but I don't get it.

# dig @ns.nic.se nic.se ns +dnssec

;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  @ns.nic.se nic.se ns +dnssec
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15071
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;nic.se.IN  NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns2.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns3.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  RRSIG   NS 5 2 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
Q9kNPVor5vCyji7XVDQMYAUcbhVTU43a/ftTBi04qXxe/AMkTO1m2C97
aRcSNG2dUWZsZ6TmaiqReMx1fARqjcP9fHHbdEtt3Oolvw9WH5KLd0Jg
TnDql5bN1vUQpULOli86enlCBHCz5FWX5izQ7i+WmLKTI1zC+R9NYd3T G1g=

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  A   212.247.7.228
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  2a00:801:f0:53::53
ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  A   194.17.45.54
ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  A   212.247.3.83
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
TLTnkqESLN7DdoC2urF14ox1JolvUSCySe4oqYfof4ER/ZNNl8DO1P46
mSKpNxf3kNUJWoMkjBjtUgZgiMcVSuD7V6qTHLA2A8tEhnM4pXCeo/yj
kirCEzo3YQzcW56BZVXgVe41K3QT4GpIm0rmTyEy+8ZCe7oeMKFem5PL Ibw=
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  RRSIG    5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
HcUbk9y1aR9zeHOwNsqTtPL97P+ftyoQVAyTZbuPpr6GEzIsKL8MyQoP
h4qyAkOHFWC2lgZ4xroHemR9OXa3JCLn1UtYE0UbgszUJWSJcQW+2ho3
GIsfEzVfJwMEomhvPuEyVfNxdaP87ITFTfNJcUvEApHCnYHO0RNgeEL0 l/Y=
ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
fGqc3OIwmaYPFJoRrULGaUIRxGV+i6FJkcSZ4HRJL0x+siwVcTrIb+5t
ER9woGl9sabyXH9H4aHc90ARABer0RodbnQSZDT7SPamDb97UP1ESBs2
Av9N43nr54M/ctLk8EZc1q7GblBK7inf7iY/AQsHTsFv1BWJOAYw+n4N YaM=
ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 60 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
vTil1+1r3dOyV3zHdd53p2O5qnBHfexdwJVjx2E+G5z5FTqa50YRQYfH
JwVHHertJcMo2wek/y2g0GBQJdkFTKwpJZv3IWWp9TYqJ3lCIYzoWxWV
pzc7i+m2Ha3HupVY0e/tOJPKsiJu+LnyH3LJ66WV/xCRDjhZ8N6RONl5 xQU=

;; Query time: 35 msec
;; SERVER: 212.247.7.228#53(212.247.7.228)
;; WHEN: Sun May  9 17:22:05 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 994



The issue I have with this is, dig announces 9 additional section entries,
while 3 A, 1  and 4 RRSIG, in my book sums up to 8.

Without DNSSEC, it seems to be able to count correctly...
# dig @ns.nic.se nic.se ns 

;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  @ns.nic.se nic.se ns
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4920
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 4
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;nic.se.IN  NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns2.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns3.nic.se.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  A   212.247.7.228
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  2a00:801:f0:53::53
ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  A   194.17.45.54
ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  A   212.247.3.83

;; Query time: 34 msec
;; SERVER: 212.247.7.228#53(212.247.7.228)
;; WHEN: Sun May  9 17:23:51 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 153

Am I missing something?
Or is this already reported?  If so, what would be the correct channel?


R.
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Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread R Dicaire
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Janssen peter.jans...@eurid.euwrote:

 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  A   212.247.7.228
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  2a00:801:f0:53::53
 ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  A   194.17.45.54
 ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  A   212.247.3.83
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
 20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
 TLTnkqESLN7DdoC2urF14ox1JolvUSCySe4oqYfof4ER/ZNNl8DO1P46
 mSKpNxf3kNUJWoMkjBjtUgZgiMcVSuD7V6qTHLA2A8tEhnM4pXCeo/yj
 kirCEzo3YQzcW56BZVXgVe41K3QT4GpIm0rmTyEy+8ZCe7oeMKFem5PL Ibw=
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  RRSIG    5 3 3600
 20100517132001
 20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
 HcUbk9y1aR9zeHOwNsqTtPL97P+ftyoQVAyTZbuPpr6GEzIsKL8MyQoP
 h4qyAkOHFWC2lgZ4xroHemR9OXa3JCLn1UtYE0UbgszUJWSJcQW+2ho3
 GIsfEzVfJwMEomhvPuEyVfNxdaP87ITFTfNJcUvEApHCnYHO0RNgeEL0 l/Y=
 ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
 20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
 fGqc3OIwmaYPFJoRrULGaUIRxGV+i6FJkcSZ4HRJL0x+siwVcTrIb+5t
 ER9woGl9sabyXH9H4aHc90ARABer0RodbnQSZDT7SPamDb97UP1ESBs2
 Av9N43nr54M/ctLk8EZc1q7GblBK7inf7iY/AQsHTsFv1BWJOAYw+n4N YaM=
 ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  RRSIG   A 5 3 60 20100517132001
 20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
 vTil1+1r3dOyV3zHdd53p2O5qnBHfexdwJVjx2E+G5z5FTqa50YRQYfH
 JwVHHertJcMo2wek/y2g0GBQJdkFTKwpJZv3IWWp9TYqJ3lCIYzoWxWV
 pzc7i+m2Ha3HupVY0e/tOJPKsiJu+LnyH3LJ66WV/xCRDjhZ8N6RONl5 xQU=


I count 8 RRs. 3 A, 1 , 4 RRSIG.

Where are you seeing 9?

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RE: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Peter Janssen
Hi Rick,

as per the header of Dig output…
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9

a part from that, I'm glad that my counting is still up to par :-)

R.
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From: R Dicaire [mailto:dicai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 17:42
To: Peter Janssen
Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Peter Janssen peter.jans...@eurid.eu
wrote:
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.nic.se.              3600    IN      A       212.247.7.228
ns.nic.se.              3600    IN          2a00:801:f0:53::53
ns2.nic.se.             3600    IN      A       194.17.45.54
ns3.nic.se.             60      IN      A       212.247.3.83
ns.nic.se.              3600    IN      RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
TLTnkqESLN7DdoC2urF14ox1JolvUSCySe4oqYfof4ER/ZNNl8DO1P46
mSKpNxf3kNUJWoMkjBjtUgZgiMcVSuD7V6qTHLA2A8tEhnM4pXCeo/yj
kirCEzo3YQzcW56BZVXgVe41K3QT4GpIm0rmTyEy+8ZCe7oeMKFem5PL Ibw=
ns.nic.se.              3600    IN      RRSIG    5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
HcUbk9y1aR9zeHOwNsqTtPL97P+ftyoQVAyTZbuPpr6GEzIsKL8MyQoP
h4qyAkOHFWC2lgZ4xroHemR9OXa3JCLn1UtYE0UbgszUJWSJcQW+2ho3
GIsfEzVfJwMEomhvPuEyVfNxdaP87ITFTfNJcUvEApHCnYHO0RNgeEL0 l/Y=
ns2.nic.se.             3600    IN      RRSIG   A 5 3 3600 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
fGqc3OIwmaYPFJoRrULGaUIRxGV+i6FJkcSZ4HRJL0x+siwVcTrIb+5t
ER9woGl9sabyXH9H4aHc90ARABer0RodbnQSZDT7SPamDb97UP1ESBs2
Av9N43nr54M/ctLk8EZc1q7GblBK7inf7iY/AQsHTsFv1BWJOAYw+n4N YaM=
ns3.nic.se.             60      IN      RRSIG   A 5 3 60 20100517132001
20100507132001 20273 nic.se.
vTil1+1r3dOyV3zHdd53p2O5qnBHfexdwJVjx2E+G5z5FTqa50YRQYfH
JwVHHertJcMo2wek/y2g0GBQJdkFTKwpJZv3IWWp9TYqJ3lCIYzoWxWV
pzc7i+m2Ha3HupVY0e/tOJPKsiJu+LnyH3LJ66WV/xCRDjhZ8N6RONl5 xQU=

I count 8 RRs. 3 A, 1 , 4 RRSIG.

Where are you seeing 9?

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Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Sten Carlsen


On 09/05/10 17:24, Peter Janssen wrote:
 Hi,

 might be me, but I don't get it.

 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9
   
ADDITIONAL: 9

But as you count to 8, where is number 9.

I seem to be counting as Peter here.

 The issue I have with this is, dig announces 9 additional section entries,
 while 3 A, 1  and 4 RRSIG, in my book sums up to 8.

 Without DNSSEC, it seems to be able to count correctly...
 # dig @ns.nic.se nic.se ns 

 ;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  @ns.nic.se nic.se ns
 ; (2 servers found)
 ;; global options: +cmd
 ;; Got answer:
 ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4920
 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 4
 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

 ;; QUESTION SECTION:
 ;nic.se.IN  NS

 ;; ANSWER SECTION:
 nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns2.nic.se.
 nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns.nic.se.
 nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns3.nic.se.

 ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  A   212.247.7.228
 ns.nic.se.  3600IN  2a00:801:f0:53::53
 ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  A   194.17.45.54
 ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  A   212.247.3.83

 ;; Query time: 34 msec
 ;; SERVER: 212.247.7.228#53(212.247.7.228)
 ;; WHEN: Sun May  9 17:23:51 2010
 ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 153

 Am I missing something?
 Or is this already reported?  If so, what would be the correct channel?


 R.
 --Pj.

 Peter Janssen
 Technical Manager

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Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread R Dicaire
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Peter Janssen peter.jans...@eurid.euwrote:

 as per the header of Dig output…
 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9


Curious, I too get 9 but only 8 RRs are shown:

;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  +dnssec @rdb.ardynet.com ardynet.com ns
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19752
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ardynet.com. IN NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ardynet.com. 10800 IN NS rdb.ardynet.com.
ardynet.com. 10800 IN NS dev.ardynet.com.
ardynet.com. 10800 IN RRSIG NS 5 2 10800 2010051512 2010050912 60794
ardynet.com. uEABRGErPScK6zTn8V2aZwWXdC7sc1wh7eFsyGHkwcfGrugsLdFPVSfZ
vetCUVXoOj1OnUNPeO5/cMB8Os0NGg==

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
dev.ardynet.com. 10800 IN A 74.93.245.186
dev.ardynet.com. 10800 IN  2001:470:8:12:def::1000
rdb.ardynet.com. 10800 IN A 74.93.245.185
rdb.ardynet.com. 10800 IN  2001:470:e006::1000
dev.ardynet.com. 10800 IN RRSIG A 5 3 10800 2010051512 2010050912
60794 ardynet.com. OdH4FDSkj8daSKw0ooNX2ZJpjQVtTXI0ev5pblGM0+M/IYccu1fW9Tkk
h9N0PPI7/4C2fpitdBbFGCq14hxocg==
dev.ardynet.com. 10800 IN RRSIG  5 3 10800 2010051512 2010050912
60794 ardynet.com. ou2/+po9rUY1l8TYy4u23z0GWBuasEib5U1E1f//MJCQ1XRqOKX9h8y2
Gk6R3+lxXlDdoLtww8E2GpVpEK+U1A==
rdb.ardynet.com. 10800 IN RRSIG A 5 3 10800 2010051512 2010050912
60794 ardynet.com. jUJ/1Miq+Y3RwFW8AyfCs6vJ+alynM/gzVIBFdn3SoIFzg3AiV4R8zHl
sOX5xzP2eVEuQwtq6cDWhFqma3cr/A==
rdb.ardynet.com. 10800 IN RRSIG  5 3 10800 2010051512 2010050912
60794 ardynet.com. M9NcSwlhg50H5zRXeB8iKZLFdm1dGmwEg/PIHYgTn9gyoXOcLUWRjK5Q
RnPlqRyHoVdkkHyCFumEkMZVyneu1g==


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RE: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Peter Janssen
Or this one :
# dig @j.ns.se se. dnskey +dnssec

;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  @j.ns.se se. dnskey +dnssec
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24743
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;se.IN  DNSKEY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
se. 3600IN  DNSKEY  257 3 5 Asnip...
EaRlZigUCp8=
se. 3600IN  DNSKEY  257 3 5 Asnip
7TKYyQgsTlc=
se. 3600IN  DNSKEY  256 3 5 Asnip
2oXgSod9
se. 3600IN  RRSIG   DNSKEY 5 1 3600
20100515203911 20100509131031 39547 se. gsnip uAYDHw==
se. 3600IN  RRSIG   DNSKEY 5 1 3600
20100517001830 20100509131031 8779 se. vsnip NRwr1A==

;; Query time: 17 msec
;; SERVER: 199.254.63.1#53(199.254.63.1)
;; WHEN: Sun May  9 18:54:10 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 1311

One (1) additional announced, while there is not even an additional section.
Maybe this is related to the EDNS0 stuff?

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From: bind-users-bounces+peter.janssen=eurid...@lists.isc.org
[mailto:bind-users-bounces+peter.janssen=eurid...@lists.isc.org] On Behalf
Of Sten Carlsen
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 17:48
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output



On 09/05/10 17:24, Peter Janssen wrote: 
Hi,

might be me, but I don't get it.

;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9
  
ADDITIONAL: 9

But as you count to 8, where is number 9.

I seem to be counting as Peter here.



The issue I have with this is, dig announces 9 additional section entries,
while 3 A, 1  and 4 RRSIG, in my book sums up to 8.

Without DNSSEC, it seems to be able to count correctly...
# dig @ns.nic.se nic.se ns 

;  DiG 9.7.0-P1  @ns.nic.se nic.se ns
; (2 servers found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4920
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 4
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;nic.se.IN  NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns2.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns.nic.se.
nic.se. 3600IN  NS  ns3.nic.se.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  A   212.247.7.228
ns.nic.se.  3600IN  2a00:801:f0:53::53
ns2.nic.se. 3600IN  A   194.17.45.54
ns3.nic.se. 60  IN  A   212.247.3.83

;; Query time: 34 msec
;; SERVER: 212.247.7.228#53(212.247.7.228)
;; WHEN: Sun May  9 17:23:51 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 153

Am I missing something?
Or is this already reported?  If so, what would be the correct channel?


R.
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Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Shumon Huque
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 05:48:34PM +0200, Peter Janssen wrote:
 Hi Rick,
 
 as per the header of Dig output?
 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9
 
 a part from that, I'm glad that my counting is still up to par :-)
 
 R.
 --Pj.
 
 Peter Janssen
 Technical Manager

The EDNS0 record is a pseudo RR that appears in the additional 
section. dig reports that separately rather than in the additional
section, but the count of records in the header is correct.

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RE: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Chris Thompson

On May 9 2010, Peter Janssen wrote:


Maybe this is related to the EDNS0 stuff?


Precisely so. dig does not display the OPT RR in the reply (or that
in the question if you use +qr, for that matter), but it's there
in the additional section as you can see from the count. You don't
have to use +dnssec to get this apparent-mismatch effect: +buf=...
or +edns=... are enough.

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Fwd: Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Hauke Lampe
On 05/09/2010 05:24 PM, Peter Janssen wrote:

 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 9

 The issue I have with this is, dig announces 9 additional section entries,
 while 3 A, 1  and 4 RRSIG, in my book sums up to 8.

The additional section also contains the EDNS0 OPT record.


Hauke.





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Re: Dig 9.7 DNSSEC output

2010-05-09 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 023b01caef8b$c0e22860$42a679...@janssen@eurid.eu, Peter Janssen 
writes:
 Hi,
 
 might be me, but I don't get it.

 The issue I have with this is, dig announces 9 additional section entries,
 while 3 A, 1  and 4 RRSIG, in my book sums up to 8.

The 9th record is the OPT record and it is displayed like this:

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096

And no it would not be useful to display it with the other additional
section records.  You need to be able to pull apart the TTL.

Mark
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