Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
mail.gmail.com> X-Rcpt-To: Mhr wrote on Wed, 7 May 2008 14:04:55 -0700: > Not being familiar with 'locate,' I found its man page rather > intimidating at first glance. I'll have to study it a little more > carefully, but I should also note that I ran locate to find my kernel > rpms and was unsuccessful (whereas, though slow, I did find them with > 'find'). The locate db is skipping only /tmp I think. It makes use of an index, that's why it's so fast. updatedb is run by cron.daily to update the db. If you get something in in-between it won't be able to find it, of course. In such a case you run it manually. Then "locate whatever". Note, that locate doesn't know any wildcards, you can only search for literals. For searching for your kernel rpms you could either use locate kernel (which will find a lot ...) locate .rpm (which will find all rpm files, which is much less) and then: locate .rpm|grep kernel /var/cache/yum/updates/packages/kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5.i386.rpm /var/cache/yum/updates/packages/kernel-xen-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5.i686.rpm /var/cache/yum/updates/packages/kernel-xen-devel-2.6.18- 53.1.14.el5.i686.rpm > > All else aside, I can't count the number of times I've had my head > handed to me right here on this list for failing to look something up > before asking about it. One should at least try that, yes. I think your answers were all fine, I just wanted to say that I agree with Ralph about the find options and the usability of that page ;-) Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Kai Schaetzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would always use locate for that task, much faster, much easier. > Not being familiar with 'locate,' I found its man page rather intimidating at first glance. I'll have to study it a little more carefully, but I should also note that I ran locate to find my kernel rpms and was unsuccessful (whereas, though slow, I did find them with 'find'). All else aside, I can't count the number of times I've had my head handed to me right here on this list for failing to look something up before asking about it. I'll admit that 'find' can be hard to get used to, but if you don't look, you can't tell how much good it can do (or how complex a man page can get :-). 'Man rpm' is ugly, but it's one you just have to get to learn about. (Info is not much better, and it's harder to use.) Just my $0.02 mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
Mhr wrote on Wed, 7 May 2008 09:53:23 -0700: > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have never found this > particular man page to be bad enough not to consult when needed, even > for the first time (like I did, lo these many eons ago, when it was > even harder to read than now) and the effort pays off big time in > future uses. I agree with Ralph. It's one of the programs with so many options and thus quite intimidating and you easily overlook the one you want. The only program that is worse is rpm. > 'Find' is your friend. I would always use locate for that task, much faster, much easier. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Ralph Angenendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Erm. "man find" is one of the most hideous manual pages on a linux > system (man tar comes close) - so a bit help from your side would have > been nice. > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have never found this particular man page to be bad enough not to consult when needed, even for the first time (like I did, lo these many eons ago, when it was even harder to read than now) and the effort pays off big time in future uses. I could have just said RTFM in so many letters, but I /was/ trying to be nice(r). > a) use locate whereever you can That should work, too, if you know how to use it (I'm not too fond of the man page for this one, either). > b) find / -type f-name "kernel*.rpm" -- this recursively (from / >downwards) finds file which begin with "kernel" and end with "rpm" Actually, the "-type f" is not needed, unless a system has enitities on it that are not files but masquerade as them with names like kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5.i686.rpm. > c) This is not needed anyway, as those packages are ALREADY installed. The problem Lanny cited was that the packages were installed but the kernel did not appear in /boot, and the suggested solution was to remove them and then reinstall them. Yes, if they are properly installed, you don't need to know where they are. Yes, you do not need to know where they are to remove them (your previous email this subject). But you're going to have a real problem reinstalling them if you don't know where they are. Hence, the "find" suggestion. 'Find' is your friend. mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
MHR wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 15:48 -0700, MHR wrote: > > > > > > > As root, go to the directory where the rpms are located (you can use > > > 'find' for this if you don't alreayd know) and run: > > Mark: Syntax for the find command so I can locate those 2 packages? If I > > can find them, then I think this will be solved quickly. TIA, Lanny > > > > Either 'man find' or 'find --help' would give you faster and more > accurate results. Erm. "man find" is one of the most hideous manual pages on a linux system (man tar comes close) - so a bit help from your side would have been nice. a) use locate whereever you can b) find / -type f-name "kernel*.rpm" -- this recursively (from / downwards) finds file which begin with "kernel" and end with "rpm" c) This is not needed anyway, as those packages are ALREADY installed. Cheers, Ralph pgpv3ITjhnMpv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
MHR wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa kernel* > > kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 > > kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 > > > > How can I correct this, so the box > > will boot the latest kernel? TIA! Lanny > > As root, go to the directory where the rpms are located (you can use > 'find' for this if you don't alreayd know) and run: > > rpm -ivh kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 Ermm. The packages *are* already installed, otherwise rpm -qa wouldn't show them. Ralph pgpyXutDCk6vw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Lanny Marcus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 15:48 -0700, MHR wrote: > > > > As root, go to the directory where the rpms are located (you can use > > 'find' for this if you don't alreayd know) and run: > > > > rpm -ivh kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 > > Mark: Syntax for the find command so I can locate those 2 packages? If I > can find them, then I think this will be solved quickly. TIA, Lanny > Either 'man find' or 'find --help' would give you faster and more accurate results. Best wishes! mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 15:48 -0700, MHR wrote: > As root, go to the directory where the rpms are located (you can use > 'find' for this if you don't alreayd know) and run: > > rpm -ivh kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 Mark: Syntax for the find command so I can locate those 2 packages? If I can find them, then I think this will be solved quickly. TIA, Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa kernel* > kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 > kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 > kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 > > How can I correct this, so the box > will boot the latest kernel? TIA! Lanny As root, go to the directory where the rpms are located (you can use 'find' for this if you don't alreayd know) and run: rpm -ivh kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On 5/6/08, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Lanny Marcus wrote: > > If there is some place I can check in a yum database or RPM database on > > her box, to verify the kernel version that's really installed (probably > > the original one), please let me know where that is. Thanks much! Lanny > > rpm -qa kernel* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qa kernel* kernel-headers-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 kernel-2.6.18-8.el5 kernel-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -a Linux compaq1300.HOMELAN 2.6.18-8.el5 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 19:57:35 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ Ralph: Thank you for the rpm command and the syntax! That confirms what I have been seeing the past few days, that no updates are available! The kernel-headers for the latest kernel is there, along with the latest kernel. However, it is not shown in the GRUB menu when I boot the box, and, the box boots the old kernel. My knowledge of Linux, obviously, is very limited. How can I correct this, so the box will boot the latest kernel? TIA! Lanny > > And: pup is a frontend to yum is a frontend to rpm which holds the > package database. Much better than multiple databases! ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 09:25 -0500, Lanny Marcus wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 16:11 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > > Lanny Marcus wrote: > > > If there is some place I can check in a yum database or RPM database on > > > her box, to verify the kernel version that's really installed (probably > > > the original one), please let me know where that is. Thanks much! Lanny > > > > rpm -qa kernel* > > > > And: pup is a frontend to yum is a frontend to rpm which holds the > > package database. > > Ralph: Thank you for the above! I need to leave now, but I will check > that out, ASAP! Lanny Have you looked at the file /etc/rpm/platform? If it has been changed you will not get any kernel updates. -- Bob Taylor ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 16:11 +0200, Ralph Angenendt wrote: > Lanny Marcus wrote: > > If there is some place I can check in a yum database or RPM database on > > her box, to verify the kernel version that's really installed (probably > > the original one), please let me know where that is. Thanks much! Lanny > > rpm -qa kernel* > > And: pup is a frontend to yum is a frontend to rpm which holds the > package database. Ralph: Thank you for the above! I need to leave now, but I will check that out, ASAP! Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
Lanny Marcus wrote: > If there is some place I can check in a yum database or RPM database on > her box, to verify the kernel version that's really installed (probably > the original one), please let me know where that is. Thanks much! Lanny rpm -qa kernel* And: pup is a frontend to yum is a frontend to rpm which holds the package database. Ralph pgpCNiSZucjPc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On 03 May 2008, Kai Schaetzl wrote: >Message: 9 ?Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:31:50 +0200 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Lanny Marcus wrote on Sat, 3 May 2008 07:28:10 -0500: > Linux compaq1300.HOMELAN 2.6.18-8.el5 >Ok. I just asked because you never mentioned you had actually checked. >Just a kernel missing when you update is not proof ;-) >I see that you have priority protections in place. Disable all your >extra repos, then disable the protections (basically go back to your >inital repo setup) and then do a check-update. You are using the >mirrorlist and not a specific CentOS mirror, do you? Kai: This is a follow on to my prior reply to this. I removed the plugins=1 line in /etc/yum.conf and I removed 6 repositories. Then, I did "yum clean all" and got "Cleaning up Everything". Then, I did "yum update" and got, "No packages marked for update/obsoletion". Then, "yum update kernel" and got "No Packages marked for Update/Obsoletion". Then the yum.conf file type is shown as Cisco VPN Settings, so I couldn't open/view it with a text editor. The last thing I did was to copy these files on my box and replace the files on my wife's box with my files: (a) etc/yum/folder (b) etc/yum.repos.d (c) /etc/yum.conf file Same problem. It is as if there is a YUM or RPM database, somewhere, that believes the Kernel has been updated, and it has not been updated? I find it very hard to believe that the Kernel was in fact updated, but that it is still shown as the original Kernel that was on the CentOS5 Install DVD. So, this continues to be a an unsolved mystery, but not like the ReiserFS guy. :-) >BTW: I notice that your mail is missing any threading information, so >that it doesn't thread at all. I see that other people who use Gmail do >get the threading information, so there's probably some option not >activated in your Gmail account. I changed the setting for my subscription to the CentOS Mailing list, from the Daily Digest to Individual messages. This reply is to your message that was in the Digest I received Sunday morning. In the future, I will be replying to individual messages (using Gmail on the web or with Evolution), so, hopefully, the threading will be better, if not perfect. Gmail doesn't use Folders, they use Labels, and I don't have that working on the web yet, but I can move the CentOS messages into the CentOS Label in Evolution and because it's IMAP, they get moved into the CentOS Label on the web too. Something else for me to check out, but that's on the Gmail web site somewhere and will be much easier to cure than this mystery about the kernel update on one box. All of your ideas about the problem updating the Kernel in my wife's box are very much appreciated! I believe now that when I updated the Kernel (and 2 other packages) on my box and on my daughter's box, it was with PUP and then later, I did a "yum update" to update everything else on those boxes. If there is some place I can check in a yum database or RPM database on her box, to verify the kernel version that's really installed (probably the original one), please let me know where that is. Thanks much! Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
On 03 May 2008, Kai Schaetzl wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:31:50 +0200 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Lanny Marcus wrote on Sat, 3 May 2008 07:28:10 -0500: > Linux compaq1300.HOMELAN 2.6.18-8.el5 >Ok. I just asked because you never mentioned you had actually checked. >Just a kernel missing when you update is not proof ;-) >I see that you have priority protections in place. Disable all your >extra repos, then disable the protections (basically go back to your >inital repo setup) and then do a check-update. You are using the >mirrorlist and not a specific CentOS mirror, do you? Kai: Thank you. I will do that, ASAP. Either *very* early some morning, before my wife is using her box, or when she's not home. I am not using a specific mirror. The other boxes also have priority working and yum gives the message about 259 (?) packages are protected and the Kernel updates on them were OK. However, as I am typing this, I suspect that I updated the Kernels on the other 2 boxes, by checking that they be updated in "PUP", with a couple of other packages, and not with the blanket "yum update" as I did in her box, with the command line. >BTW: I notice that your mail is missing any threading information, so >that it doesn't thread at all. I see that other people who use Gmail do >get the threading information, so there's probably some option not >activated in your Gmail account. Thank you for pointing that out. I do not believe that is a setting in Gmail. When I signed up for the list (3 years ago), I selected the Digest, because we had to go back to dial up, when we moved here. We have ADSL now, so I just changed that, to get individual emails from the list. That should begin Monday or Tuesday, and, hopefully, my messages will look better, when I reply. Also, during the past few days, with the DVD reader problem and this one, I have also done some reading of the ML Archives on the CentOS web site and copied messages there that I replied to, before I received them in the Digest the next morning. Hopefully, when I begin receiving individual messages, when I reply to them, the threading will not get screwed up, as it is now. Lanny ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Subject: [CentOS] "yum update" did not update kernel on one box
Lanny Marcus wrote on Sat, 3 May 2008 07:28:10 -0500: > Linux compaq1300.HOMELAN 2.6.18-8.el5 Ok. I just asked because you never mentioned you had actually checked. Just a kernel missing when you update is not proof ;-) I see that you have priority protections in place. Disable all your extra repos, then disable the protections (basically go back to your inital repo setup) and then do a check-update. You are using the mirrorlist and not a specific CentOS mirror, do you? BTW: I notice that your mail is missing any threading information, so that it doesn't thread at all. I see that other people who use Gmail do get the threading information, so there's probably some option not activated in your Gmail account. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
