[cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Steve Onnis
I have been looking at the EC2 services and trying to work out if it
is cost effective or not and so far it is coming way short.

I am running windows servers and based on the calculator at
http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html is will cost between
$450 and $500 per month per instance to host, plus an extra $50ish for
data.  I have  a rack with 7 servers and a few VMs running other
services,  so based on those numbers, to move my whole network into
the cloud it will cost me over $6,000.00 to move my network into the
cloud.

So i guess the question is, where do the savings come from? Just from
bandwith?  I appreciate there is the whole on demand elastic side of
it but from a cost-benefit perspective, is it really worth it?

Has anyone done the move and actually found cost benefits?


Steve

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Re: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Chris Velevitch
Whilst I haven't moved to the cloud, a couple of questions come to mind.

You haven't indicated what you currently spending per month to run
your current system and if you own the hardware. If you own the
hardware, have you factored in the replacement costs and the costs to
upgrade the hardware and how often you replace your hardware. With
Amazon, I suspect the hardware is consistently being upgraded the only
effort on your part is to stop, move and restart an instance and
you've upgraded.


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Re: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> I am running windows servers and based on the calculator at
> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html is will cost between
> $450 and $500 per month per instance to host, plus an extra $50ish for
> data.

Could you provide a bit more detail on how you arrived at those numbers?

I suspect you're assuming a much larger instance than you really need.

The real key with EC2 is figuring out a minimal baseline to deal with
your "quiet time" and then scaling up when you need it. The "cloud"
isn't a great replacement for your data center unless your traffic is
low by default - where you don't need your full data center - but has
spikes which are as high or higher than your data center capability.

Where I work, our traffic is seasonal: substantially higher in winter
than summer. That means we could scale cloud hosting to our summer
traffic and add capability in the winter. We could probably save a
boatload of money.

Also, if you're comparing managed services to cloud services, the
cloud will look attractive - but if you're comparing bare bones VPS or
dedicated servers that you fully manage yourself, the cloud will look
expensive.

Over the last four years, I've run production infrastructure in a
combination of cloud, data center, and local servers. Every situation
is different but you need to weigh up all the costs (and benefits).
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RE: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability

2011-09-08 Thread charlie arehart
Adding to all the helpful replies form others on this, I'll add that just
last night at the Atlanta CFUG we had a really well-informed speaker, a
long-time CFer who has done a lot of work with redeployment of CF and Railo
servers to Amazon's cloud offering. I'm hoping to have him present his talk
on the Online CFMeetup sometime soon. It was really well-received. 

In the meantime, Steve, his name is Jeremy Bruck, and he does consulting to
help people move to the cloud. I'm sure he'd welcome you reaching out to see
how he can help (i...@growstrategy.com).

/charlie


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> Subject: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
> 
> I have been looking at the EC2 services and trying to work out if it
> is cost effective or not and so far it is coming way short.
> 
> I am running windows servers and based on the calculator at
> http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html is will cost between
> $450 and $500 per month per instance to host, plus an extra $50ish for
> data.  I have  a rack with 7 servers and a few VMs running other
> services,  so based on those numbers, to move my whole network into
> the cloud it will cost me over $6,000.00 to move my network into the
> cloud.
> 
> So i guess the question is, where do the savings come from? Just from
> bandwith?  I appreciate there is the whole on demand elastic side of
> it but from a cost-benefit perspective, is it really worth it?
> 
> Has anyone done the move and actually found cost benefits?
> 
> 
> Steve
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