[Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, but towards his general sentiment: Please understand that this list MAY NOT be the only list that some people belong to. Personally, I subscribe to 6 discussion lists, 4 of which are professional in nature, 2 are recreational. Three of the discussion lists I read are extremely high volume - upwards of 40 messages a day on each. I hit the Delete key rather frequently. One thing that is important to understand is WHY people subscribe to the list. Naturally, people subscribe to this list because they are interested in Chevelles. If the conversation turns toward a different topic, the list loses its worth. Even worse, it could chase away worthwhile contributors who would rather unsubscribe than have to constantly delete off-topic messages. In other words - when the signal to noise ratio has gotten to the point where the noise is greater than the signal, people unsubscribe which in-turn causes a further downward spiral in message quality causing more people to unsubscribe and so on. The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette that used to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product of making computers cheaper easier to use, a lot of people are now online and participating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained any knowledge of netiquette. That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. But it is important that some rules of order be established for the greater good of all. If I may suggest some netiquette, here's a quick list of guidelines that I think will make any discussion list operate more smoothly. This is all just slapped together in no particular order. (Pay close attention to #5) 1. If your post is relevant only to one member of the list, please contact that person using personal e-mail. However, some messages, though personal in nature, may also be relevant or useful for multiple members of the list. In such a case, it is definitely good to post to the whole list. 2. Use the subject line to announce your topic effectively. We all get a lot of e-mail and a descriptive subject line will help to identify a message and will help other members decide whether the message is relevant or of interest to them. 3. Use only one topic per message. If your message spans multiple topics, it'd be best to split that message up into multiple posts. That way it is more helpful for people to follow and may also get you better responses (because some people might not open your message if the subject doesn't look interesting) 4. Be thoughtful when posting information from other lists. Many of us are on several lists. Instead of a simple forward of the posting, add a note about why you found the other message informative and relevant. 5. If the message is off-topic, but you think people might be interested, post it. But make sure you mark it as Off-Topic or OT in the subject line. Please try to remember though, that too many off-topic posts are going to drive up the signal-to-noise ratio. Only make off-topic posts if you think it will be welcomed by the other members, won't cause a flame-war, and really is interesting. 6. Do not forward or share others' e-mail without permission. Believe it or not, email messages are covered under Copyright law. So, even beyond the lack of good taste, reposting someone's email without permission is a violation of copyright. 7. Restate (or, quote) some of the message you're replying to so your reply makes sense. I cannot state this enough. Reading a reply that does not quote the original message is like walking into a conversation at the punch line of a good joke. It just doesn't make sense. Therefore, make sure you quote the person you're replying to. Helpful info at: http://email.about.com/cs/netiquettetips/qt/et090402.htm 8. When responding to another's message, don't quote the entire message. Delete any excess text that isn't relevant to your response. 9. Avoid Me, too, I Agree and Yes messages. Considering the volume of e-mail we all read each day, a message that says Me, too really isn't saying anything at all. 10. DON'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS. This is perceived as shouting. 11. Use emoticons (also known as smileys) when trying to convey a tone of voice :-) It may help avoid confusion. E-mail is an imperfect medium for conveying tone. An emoticon may help avert an argument. 12. Consider carefully what you write; it's a permanent record and can be easily forwarded to others. 13. Don't send entire web pages to a discussion group, just the URLs (web page address). 14. Don't blatantly promote your business by posting an advertisement to a discussion group. Otherwise, you are spamming. If someone specifically requests a product or service, and you can provide that product or service, by all means contact them via private e-mail. 15. When forwarding messages, put a few comments at the top of the message about why you
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote: If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, but towards his general sentiment: The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette that used to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product of making computers cheaper easier to use, a lot of people are now online and participating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained any knowledge of netiquette. That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. But it is important that some rules of order be established for the greater good of all. (Pay close attention to #5) Ok now pay close attention to #1 #1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them. Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people would do in their garage . It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someone will post it...
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someone will post it.. That's my cue! :-))) To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics. Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA. Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying mesh safety bag. Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork. Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube. Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip. Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated correctly. Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power chamber. The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation. Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees. Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously. Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge to 719 psi. Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use. Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric pressure. Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular accelerator. Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater core to the on position. The on position has been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go off. Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled ON/OFF to the ON position and count to 47 before logging on to the system. Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt. Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute. Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously. Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure. If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the beginning. Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to unsubscribe from this service. We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions closely Regards The Chevelle List
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
Zackly! JD - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, buttowards his general sentiment:The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette thatused to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product ofmaking computers cheaper easier to use, a lot of people are now online andparticipating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of order" be established for the greatergood of all.(Pay close attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage .It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it...
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
I knew all this was coming. I've been laughing all day. This is first a Chevelle List a fun forum. And we do get off list just like we're BS'ing, etc. But it's fun interesting. Just keep religion politics out. I use the List for technical advice enjoyment. I don't have thecomputer knowledge to follow that long list of email rules nor do I want my life to be that rigid. I make mistakes miss gears on occassion but I try to be courteous.Lighten up guys. Keep it FUN!! Phil G. 65 SS -Original Message-From: Bill Lessenberry [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSent: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:25:18 -0600Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it..That's my cue! :-)))To unsubscribe from this service you must first purchase a Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit. The unit can be obtained from most hardware stores and dental clinics. Be sure to obtain the proper permits to operate the unit from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the Food and Drug Administration in Washington D.C. USA. Be sure to carefully unpack the kit and place each component in its accompanying mesh safety bag. Mount the Pershing DF4 mesinator on top of the perforated Gerring Mach 77 refibulator and attach them using the eight-millimeter torque fork. Be sure that the refibulator is mounted at a 66 degree angle and properly dispersed so that it is flush with the curved section of the Pyrex thistle tube. Place the four sections of the triangular separation gear into the posture cylinder and lock them into place using the band aid adhesive strip. Insert the wiggling pin into the wobbling hole, making sure that it seated correctly. Place the D cell battery and the eleven 9 volt batteries in the power chamber. The device should be calibrated before operation using the optional digital corkscrew accessory pack prior to operation. Insert the digital corkscrew through the electronic combustion service chamber using caution not to touch the reinforced tungsten igniter control module and quickly turn the inverter drive to 28.6 degrees. Turn the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit upside down and hit the bottom plate with a 48-ounce ball-peen hammer while shaking the unit vigorously. Force open the door to the incineration valve compartment and set the pressure gauge to 719 psi. Close the door and seal it shut with duct tape. The unit should now be properly calibrated and ready to use. Before activating the Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit, you must first elevate it to a height of 229 feet above sea level to insure that the unit receives the proper oxygen level and barometric pressure. Point the aerial to 17 degrees north by northeast to within the parameters of the Telstar GS-2 weather satellite and apply pressure to the wing shaft on the southern most section of the modular accelerator. Using the special ratchet adapter supplied with the unit, rotate the heater core to the "on" position. The "on" position has been obtained when the green light begins to flash, signifying that the red light is about to go off. Once the red light is off, flip the toggle switch labeled "ON/OFF" to the "ON" position and count to 47 before logging on to the system. Logon using your username and password and wait for the prompt. Once prompted you must check the box with the appropriate action you wish to take and then press the pressure release button and turn off the compressor while turning the hand crank at 231 meters per minute. Next, press control, alt, delete, caps lock, shift, number lock, escape and tab simultaneously. Press enter. You will have one second to complete the procedure. If you fail to respond in the time limit allowed, simply purchase a new Craft-O-Matic Adjustable Subscription Cancellation Unit and start from the beginning. Please remember that this is the only way we will accept for you to unsubscribe from this service. We have made every attempt to simplify the procedure for your convenience. Failure to comply with the unsubscribe policy will result in immediate termination of your subscription so please follow the above directions closely Regards The Chevelle List
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
Everyone needs to relax a bit here. I was trying to HELP. I don't want any rules and, in fact, don't even care about OT posts. Someone else had taken issue with OT posts and I posted a list of Netiquette guidelines. One of those guidelines was merely to mark off-topic posts so people knew the thing was off-topic (and could therefore read or promptly delete the message). I don't want rules, don't need rules, and I'm not lobbying for rules. I posted a list of helpful guidelines to help people get along better (cuz it looked like the OT post issue was gonna get out of hand). That's all! Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 From: JDHall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:29 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) Zackly! JD - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, buttowards his general sentiment:The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette thatused to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product ofmaking computers cheaper easier to use, a lot of people are now online andparticipating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of order" be established for the greatergood of all.(Pay close attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage .It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it...
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
I AGREE! Harlan-Original Message-From: Karl Groves [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:11:51 -0500Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) Everyone needs to relax a bit here. I was trying to HELP. I don't want any rules and, in fact, don't even care about OT posts. Someone else had taken issue with OT posts and I posted a list of Netiquette guidelines. One of those guidelines was merely to mark off-topic posts so people knew the thing was off-topic (and could therefore read or promptly delete the message). I don't want rules, don't need rules, and I'm not lobbying for rules. I posted a list of helpful guidelines to help people get along better (cuz it looked like the OT post issue was gonna get out of hand). That's all! Karl GrovesMaster Certified CIWhttp://www.karlgroves.comWill Work For Parts:http://chevelle.karlcore.com/detail.php?id=3 From: JDHall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:29 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) Zackly! JD - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm) At 11:14 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:If I may make a general comment, not exactly directed towards Matthew, buttowards his general sentiment:The main thing this list seems to be missing is a spirit of netiquette thatused to be the norm back when only geeks had computers. As a by-product ofmaking computers cheaper easier to use, a lot of people are now online andparticipating in discussion lists such as this one without having gained anyknowledge of "netiquette". That's fine. We all have to start somewhere. Butit is important that some "rules of order" be established for the greatergood of all.(Pay close attention to #5)Ok now pay close attention to #1#1 This is a list for people with Chevelles, we talk about them.Then we BS about other things. Just like Chevelle people woulddo in their garage .It is a fun forum , we have a way to un-sub, I'm sure someonewill post it...
Re: [Chevelle-list] Off-topic messages (was RE: FW: eSecurity Advisory: Blackmal Email Worm)
Well put Phil, and I think that if everyone actually reads the "rules" (suggestions) that Karl posted they would see that they make a lot of sense.The suggestionstill allow for OT post and more than enough "fun" - they just give people who don't want to have any fun a heads up so they can delete before becoming offended. I have been on another list for years, a list much like this, lots of information with some fun mixed in for good measure. I would sometimes receive upwards of 150 messages a day! Well,a couple of the 1400 members on the list started complaining about the "noise" and effectively killed the list, they took out the "human" side and soon there after all the tech stuff just got boring. Thereare only a limited number problems or questions that you can have about a certain car, after constantly rehashing the same info, with no added "humor" it just died... Now all that's left is about 5 post a day asking about tire size and factory paint colors. Keith I knew all this was coming. I've been laughing all day. This is first a Chevelle List a fun forum. And we do get off list just like we're BS'ing, etc. But it's fun interesting. Just keep religion politics out. I use the List for technical advice enjoyment. I don't have thecomputer knowledge to follow that long list of email rules nor do I want my life to be that rigid. I make mistakes miss gears on occassion but I try to be courteous.Lighten up guys. Keep it FUN!! Phil G. 65 SS
