Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> I need hacks to make basic file-system utilities work. I can not > use standard merging tools, for example. > > Please don't do this. Please. Hahahah, OK, OK, I won't! ie. I will leave support for it in Svnwiki, but I won't add any links. I will support this with the database approach, which, I agree, makes more sense. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 12:34:17PM +0100, Felix Winkelmann wrote: > From: Alejandro Forero Cuervo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:27:11 -0800 > > > > > $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons > > > > $ svn add stream-xcons > > > > $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" > > > > > > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > > > copy impossible. > > > > Um, what happens if you append ???2>/dev/null??? at the end of your grep > > commands? > > > > I fail to see how it makes anything impossible. > > I need hacks to make basic file-system utilities work. I can not > use standard merging tools, for example. > > Please don't do this. Please. How about this: $ echo '[[[stream-ext#stream-xcons]]]' > stream-xcons $ svn add stream-xcons $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" It's semantically the same, it's just not using the OS to store the link but it puts the link inside the file. This also makes it easier to manage the link from the 'edit' page on the wiki. The syntax could be different or the file could have a special svnwiki property set so it knows that it's not an ordinary page, if needed. Cheers, Peter -- http://sjamaan.ath.cx -- "The process of preparing programs for a digital computer is especially attractive, not only because it can be economically and scientifically rewarding, but also because it can be an aesthetic experience much like composing poetry or music." -- Donald Knuth pgpBzclx5ZyBH.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
From: Alejandro Forero Cuervo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:27:11 -0800 > > > $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons > > > $ svn add stream-xcons > > > $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" > > > > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > > copy impossible. > > Um, what happens if you append “2>/dev/null” at the end of your grep > commands? > > I fail to see how it makes anything impossible. I need hacks to make basic file-system utilities work. I can not use standard merging tools, for example. Please don't do this. Please. cheers, felix ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> > $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons > > $ svn add stream-xcons > > $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" > > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > copy impossible. Um, what happens if you append “2>/dev/null” at the end of your grep commands? I fail to see how it makes anything impossible. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
From: "Nelson Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:04:34 -0500 > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Nelson Castillo > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > > > copy impossible. > > > > Hi Felix. > > > > What about: > > > > find -P . -print0 | xargs -0 grep TEXT > > Sorry. > > It is: > > find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep TEXT > Ugh. IIRC, azul suggested a different (database based) way of handling this. Creating thousands of dangling links doesn't look right to me. cheers, felix ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Nelson Castillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > > copy impossible. > > Hi Felix. > > What about: > > find -P . -print0 | xargs -0 grep TEXT Sorry. It is: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep TEXT N.- -- http://arhuaco.org ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working > copy impossible. Hi Felix. What about: find -P . -print0 | xargs -0 grep TEXT Regards, N.- -- http://arhuaco.org ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Alejandro Forero Cuervo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have tweaked a bit the code in Svnwiki a bit to support defining > aliases for functions in the wiki. My thinking is that (1) for all > procedures f, http://chicken.wiki.br/f should return something useful, > regardless of where f is defined and (2) we shouldn't have to > duplicate information in the wiki. > > Here is how I do it: > > $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons > $ svn add stream-xcons > $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" > > This causes accesses to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-xcons to be > redirected to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-ext#stream-xcons. Go > ahead and try it. > > As such, we don't have to split the eggs' documentation wiki files (or > documents in the manual) and we can still allow people to play with > URL hacking. > > Feel free to create links such as those. To make it even easier, you > can send me mails with the subject 'chicken wiki links' containing > lines of the form 'source-for-link destination#url' and I will define > those links. If Mario or some other hackers can programatically > extract a list of such functions and their location in the wiki, > that'd be neat. :-) > Could we please remove this? It makes a grep over the working copy impossible. cheers, felix ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
Yes please. Quick procedure lookup is the capability of Info I most miss. A plain index page would also be just as good for my purposes. On 2/21/08, Alejandro Forero Cuervo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While this will continue to work, I think what I'll do is, once I have > the and similar tags in place, use this information to > populate a database of where in the wiki symbols are documented so > that any accesses to http://chicken.wiki.br/X, where X does not > correspond to an existing page (or symlink, as described above) and > there's a or similar tag describing X in at least one wiki > page Y, gets redirected to the location in Y where X is rendered. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> Here is how I do it: > > $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons > $ svn add stream-xcons > $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" While this will continue to work, I think what I'll do is, once I have the and similar tags in place, use this information to populate a database of where in the wiki symbols are documented so that any accesses to http://chicken.wiki.br/X, where X does not correspond to an existing page (or symlink, as described above) and there's a or similar tag describing X in at least one wiki page Y, gets redirected to the location in Y where X is rendered. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
Alejandro Forero Cuervo wrote: What do you propose we do if we have a function with the same name as an egg? Perhaps it wasn't clear from my message, but I was proposing the “egg-” prefix only in those cases where there is a clash. Yes, I misread that part. I guess renaming the egg page as egg-* is the most sensible thing to do, so that the overloaded name can point to a disambiguation page. Tobia ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> >For the egg pages we would simply prefix them (so format-modular > >would become egg-format-modular) > > This I'm not so sure about, because sometimes you remember the name of > a procedure but not its egg, and because usually eggs become part of > the domain-specific language you assemble to solve your problem, after > which you don't care much anymore which egg the procedures came from. What do you propose we do if we have a function with the same name as an egg? Perhaps it wasn't clear from my message, but I was proposing the “egg-” prefix only in those cases where there is a clash. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
Alejandro Forero Cuervo wrote: I have tweaked a bit the code in Svnwiki a bit to support defining aliases for functions in the wiki. My thinking is that (1) for all procedures f, http://chicken.wiki.br/f should return something useful, regardless of where f is defined and (2) we shouldn't have to duplicate information in the wiki. I agree 100%, but I think this should be done automatically, see my post about automatic index generation from the tags. in those cases in which we have collisions, we can simply create a page listing the multiple possible meanings, something along the lines of: FormatThere are the following pages about this:* Eggs: - format - format-modular * Procedures: - format at the format-modular egg Again, I don't think it should be done by hand, as the potential for mistakes and omissions is huge. Automatic generation will be easy to implement, if/when we tag every procedure definition. For the egg pages we would simply prefix them (so format-modular would become egg-format-modular) This I'm not so sure about, because sometimes you remember the name of a procedure but not its egg, and because usually eggs become part of the domain-specific language you assemble to solve your problem, after which you don't care much anymore which egg the procedures came from. Tobia ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
> I was wondering if these could be placed in a separate namespace > (e.g. http://chicken.wiki.br/sym/stream-xcons or > http://chicken.wiki.br/sym:stream-xcons). The reason being that > with an influx of procedure names the potential for collision > goes way up with a flat namespace. I don't think the potential for collision is too bad: in those cases in which we have collisions, we can simply create a page listing the multiple possible meanings, something along the lines of: > Format > > There are the following pages about this: > > * Eggs: > - format > - format-modular > * Procedures: > - format at the format-modular egg For the egg pages we would simply prefix them (so format-modular would become egg-format-modular). This is just what wikipedia does. I think the advantage of not requiring users to type the "sym:" or "sym/" each time they use this functionality is larger than the disadvantage of having the clashes. Basically, think of it as just one namespace where a user can search for pretty much anything and expect to find something useful. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
Re: [Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
I was wondering if these could be placed in a separate namespace (e.g. http://chicken.wiki.br/sym/stream-xcons or http://chicken.wiki.br/sym:stream-xcons). The reason being that with an influx of procedure names the potential for collision goes way up with a flat namespace. If this could be done in a separate directory in SVN (e.g. wiki/sym/) then even better, to avoid clogging the main directory with hundreds of entries. Just a thought. On 2/17/08, Alejandro Forero Cuervo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have tweaked a bit the code in Svnwiki a bit to support defining > This causes accesses to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-xcons to be > redirected to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-ext#stream-xcons. Go > ahead and try it. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
[Chicken-users] aliases in the wiki
I have tweaked a bit the code in Svnwiki a bit to support defining aliases for functions in the wiki. My thinking is that (1) for all procedures f, http://chicken.wiki.br/f should return something useful, regardless of where f is defined and (2) we shouldn't have to duplicate information in the wiki. Here is how I do it: $ ln -s 'stream-ext#stream-xcons' stream-xcons $ svn add stream-xcons $ svn ci -m "Creating link for procedure stream-xcons" This causes accesses to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-xcons to be redirected to http://chicken.wiki.br/stream-ext#stream-xcons. Go ahead and try it. As such, we don't have to split the eggs' documentation wiki files (or documents in the manual) and we can still allow people to play with URL hacking. Feel free to create links such as those. To make it even easier, you can send me mails with the subject 'chicken wiki links' containing lines of the form 'source-for-link destination#url' and I will define those links. If Mario or some other hackers can programatically extract a list of such functions and their location in the wiki, that'd be neat. :-) Hopefully, in some time, http://chicken.wiki.br/some-random-function will work most of the time. I think that would be a bit useful. Alejo. http://azul.freaks-unidos.net/ Ps: I'd like to thank Arhuaco who helped me a bit with the work required to make this work. ___ Chicken-users mailing list Chicken-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/chicken-users
