Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Pawlowski, Adam]

I am a glutton for punishment, so for our PoC deployment we have a hybrid 
connector cluster, and a B2B/MRA cluster that does everything else.

We have no non-numeric URIs, so I use CPL rules (going to move that to XML 
since managing them otherwise is not great) to accept calls formatted to my 
“collaboration endpoints” (ce-…) and customer URIs which all start with a 
letter. Calls targeted directly at the expressway, elsewise to the domains, or 
E164 calls with no domain are all dropped.

The Expressway doesn’t accept in anything that would be directly routable once 
it hits the UCM to try and avoid this problem.

While it is certainly possible I suppose to have an authenticated zone that can 
place dialable calls out via UCM, CUBE, SBC, etc that seems like not the best 
idea, but impossible as a Webex endpoint won’t get you there.

Out of the ~1000 calls in the Expressway E cluster’s history, spanning about 
the last two hours, 4 of them were legit from MRA clients and the rest were 
spam so I would not want to leave any opportunity there either.


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Fulgenzi
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 10:13 AM
To: Ryan Huff 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution


Yeah. I hear ya. I’ll have to do more research. To see how much effort is 
actually required.

My biggest concern is enabling PSTN access and not opening up a security 
exposure.

I was at the collab techtorial where the presenter put the fear of Dog into us 
about spinning up a separate expressway cluster to ensure no pstn abuse.

I’ll try with Macros first. If I can get extension dialing easy enough, it buys 
me s proof of concept that can get me more support.
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On Oct 5, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Webex Hybrid Calling definitely sounds like a good fit for you then; it’ll also 
give your cloud registered devices a way to dial the on-prem extensions.

Basically, when the cloud registered device is setup, you select Hybrid calling 
as the PSTN service (assuming Hybrid calling has already been setup) and then 
it sends signaling to CUCM via Expressway-C > CUCM. The effective media path is 
device <> cloud.

If you have Expressway B2B, you can also leverage that to allow your cloud 
devices to make B2B SIP calls via Cloud > Expressway-C > CUCM > Expressway-C > 
Expressway-E > Internet. The idea was to make Hybrid Calling for cloud devices 
“transparent” to the user over cloud calling in terms of PSTN capabilities, 
with the added feature of interacting with on-prem extensions as if the device 
was registered on-prem.

There are more than a few scenarios where Webex Hybrid calling will trombone 
the call, and it’s by design and due to the nature of the scenario. Under the 
hood, the call legs and SIP messages can get hairy from a troubleshooting 
perspective (TranslatorX is a beast for this), and Cisco has had more than a 
few complaints about it, but it is what it is.
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 23:40, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:


I’m trying to do a bit of everything, really.

In our case, I’d like to have a few cloud registered WebEx room devices still 
be able to call our extensions. It’s the one thing we loose vs. on-prem reg 
WebEx room devices.

I still have to get it working (I’m guessing there are IP address ranges I have 
to permit) but a cloud registered device can call @myphone.acme.com

If I can create a macro on cloud registered devices like you can on CE devices, 
then it gives me that functionality.

We don’t have Webex Teams deployed. We don’t have Webex pstn / calling enabled.

So it’s either a hybrid call setup or a macro.

I’ll have to investigate further.
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 11:25 PM, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.co

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Pawlowski, Adam]

Yes that would work – as far as I understand it will route calls to whatever 
domain out as long as you haven’t synchronized users in with the same URI who 
have Teams or basic calling enabled.

That or you would need Hybrid Calling or it eventual replacement or similar to 
anchor something out there.

I would hope you can push a macro out there to cloud registered endpoints, what 
 with all the bragging about how simple it is to integrate to room controls and 
systems.



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Fulgenzi
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 11:41 PM
To: Anthony Holloway 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution


I’m trying to do a bit of everything, really.

In our case, I’d like to have a few cloud registered WebEx room devices still 
be able to call our extensions. It’s the one thing we loose vs. on-prem reg 
WebEx room devices.

I still have to get it working (I’m guessing there are IP address ranges I have 
to permit) but a cloud registered device can call @myphone.acme.com

If I can create a macro on cloud registered devices like you can on CE devices, 
then it gives me that functionality.

We don’t have Webex Teams deployed. We don’t have Webex pstn / calling enabled.

So it’s either a hybrid call setup or a macro.

I’ll have to investigate further.
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 11:25 PM, Anthony Holloway 
mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Wait, I thought this was for other businesses to call you.  Are you saying that 
to call within your own cloud you have to dial that giant URI?  Is there no 
directory, or extension dialing?  Clearly, I have not done a single Webex 
calling deployment yet.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 10:06 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Ok. Looking at it from the other way around, could I create a macro(?) on the 
cloud registered devices that ask for a 5 digit extension and then add the 
appropriate SIP domain to the extension to place the call?
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help accomplish 
this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling would allow 
for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote destination of the 
codec.

The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and assuming the 
Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote destination which 
rings the cloud registered codec.

It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:


Darn. Double darn.

Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon.

‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com<mailto:room...@acme.rooms.webex.com> is a 
bit much.
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser.

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

You can create a round robin A record, that reso

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser.

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

You can create a round robin A record, that resolves to multiple IP addresses, 
so when the client looks up the DNS SRV, it receives multiple targets to try 
before considering the SRV target “unreachable” (SRV weights and priorities 
determine the ordering of the target addresses resolved for the client). 
However, this won’t have the ability to change the called URI, which is 
ultimately what I think you’re attempting in the scenario (DNS and SIP messages 
are on different networking layers).

As Dave mentioned below, Expressway or a LUA script (sip normalization) in CUCM 
seems to be uniquely qualified for what you’re wanting to do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 20:40, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:



I’ve seen some references to Cisco SIP proxy server.

Would that help?

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

According to RFC 2782 
(https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2782.txt=02%7C01%7C%7Cb16503f6614e48ab04dc08d74945d472%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058436587264501=T5gNO4TAfOEFXaKUKLBLleyj1GtmxSXVzc2BAMbXC5E%3D=0>),
 it does not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP 

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:



I’ve seen some references to Cisco SIP proxy server.

Would that help?

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
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According to RFC 2782 
(https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2782.txt=02%7C01%7C%7C91eb00070c1b45238c9d08d749390724%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058381594072853=%2FzjXq6A407ULW1tL6YQHpLhkShhif1%2FacmD9VUNKLNE%3D=0>),
 it does not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[NateCCIE]

I didn’t see any reference to cloud registered…  I should stop looking at my 
email tonight.

 

From: Anthony Holloway  
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 9:11 PM
To: Ryan Huff 
Cc: NateCCIE ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

 

On a Friday night no less.

 

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 10:08 PM Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Come on... we are geeks here we are going to run this down every possible  
avenue regardless :)

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 4, 2019, at 23:06, Anthony Holloway mailto:avholloway%2bcisco-v...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I think Lelio was wondering about a pure cloud registered device, and then 
simply purchasing a vanity domain to overlay on top of the ugly webex one. 

 

You knowlike URL shortening 
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.rebrandly.com%2Fthe-history-of-url-shorteners%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C4df4b81e7de446bcd2fa08d749410008%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058415823445677=BK7X5LPEj%2FERkvJhhoKkxhGYbUFaMYDYuHIE3rjPGsE%3D=0>
 . 

 

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:57 PM NateCCIE mailto:natec...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Doesn’t cucm have the ability to look at the user portion of the URI only?  For 
like when you’re routing to a DN?  Or I think you can add the short domain to 
the list of the CUCM “owned” domains in enterprise parameters.

 

From: Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com> > 
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 8:51 PM
To: NateCCIE mailto:natec...@gmail.com> >
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> >; cisco-voip 
voyp list mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net> >
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

 

Hey Nate ... the original ask I think, was to do it all with DNS only and no 
intervention at layer 4, which to my knowledge, DNS alone couldn’t do.  

 

Expressway search rule, CUCM LUA script... etc could all do it in reality.

 

However, the actual goal appears to be dialing a Webex cloud registered codec, 
using a non cloud uri (...@rooms.webex.com <mailto:...@rooms.webex.com> ), and 
for that Webex Hybrid calling with Expressway B2B would get you there, and also 
checks the “no additional transformation needed” box.

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:41, NateCCIE mailto:natec...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 I am not thinking right?  Can’t a dns srv get the call routed to a specific 
host? Then a quick expressway transform to change the domain, and you’re done. 

 

Think of it as a different internal domain va external domain.

 

f...@company.com <mailto:f...@company.com>  does goes to 
expressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com 
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fexpressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com=02%7C01%7C%7C4df4b81e7de446bcd2fa08d749410008%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058415823445677=26dr97QxoCEhEb11y0lmKT7btioRrDIgcTh7f0lpp%2FQ%3D=0>
  which does a quick trans to foo@internal.local <mailto:foo@internal.local> 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> > wrote:

 

 

Interesting. I’ll have to look into that.  Thx. 

-sent from mobile device-

 

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help accomplish 
this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling would allow 
for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote destination of the 
codec.  

 

The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and assuming the 
Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote destination which 
rings the cloud registered codec.

 

It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> > wrote:

 

 

Darn. Double darn.  

 

Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon. 

 

‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com <mailto:room...@acme.rooms.webex.com>  is a 
bit much. 

-sent from mobile device-

 

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph

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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Anthony Holloway]

On a Friday night no less.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 10:08 PM Ryan Huff  wrote:

> Come on... we are geeks here we are going to run this down every
> possible  avenue regardless :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 23:06, Anthony Holloway <
> avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> I think Lelio was wondering about a pure cloud registered device, and then
> simply purchasing a vanity domain to overlay on top of the ugly webex one.
>
> You knowlike URL shortening
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.rebrandly.com%2Fthe-history-of-url-shorteners%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C4df4b81e7de446bcd2fa08d749410008%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058415823445677=BK7X5LPEj%2FERkvJhhoKkxhGYbUFaMYDYuHIE3rjPGsE%3D=0>
> .
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:57 PM NateCCIE  wrote:
>
>> Doesn’t cucm have the ability to look at the user portion of the URI
>> only?  For like when you’re routing to a DN?  Or I think you can add the
>> short domain to the list of the CUCM “owned” domains in enterprise
>> parameters.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Huff 
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 4, 2019 8:51 PM
>> *To:* NateCCIE 
>> *Cc:* Lelio Fulgenzi ; cisco-voip voyp list <
>> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Nate ... the original ask I think, was to do it all with DNS only and
>> no intervention at layer 4, which to my knowledge, DNS alone couldn’t do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Expressway search rule, CUCM LUA script... etc could all do it in reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, the actual goal appears to be dialing a Webex cloud registered
>> codec, using a non cloud uri (...@rooms.webex.com), and for that Webex
>> Hybrid calling with Expressway B2B would get you there, and also checks the
>> “no additional transformation needed” box.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:41, NateCCIE  wrote:
>>
>>  I am not thinking right?  Can’t a dns srv get the call routed to a
>> specific host? Then a quick expressway transform to change the domain, and
>> you’re done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Think of it as a different internal domain va external domain.
>>
>>
>>
>> f...@company.com does goes to expressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com
>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fexpressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com=02%7C01%7C%7C4df4b81e7de446bcd2fa08d749410008%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058415823445677=26dr97QxoCEhEb11y0lmKT7btioRrDIgcTh7f0lpp%2FQ%3D=0>
>> which does a quick trans to foo@internal.local
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting. I’ll have to look into that.  Thx.
>>
>> *-sent from mobile device-*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>>
>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>
>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
>> N1G 2W1
>>
>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | le...@uoguelph.ca
>>
>>
>>
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>>  |
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>>
>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff  wrote:
>>
>> Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help
>> accomplish this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling
>> would allow for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote
>> destination of the codec.
>>
>>
>>
>> The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and
>> assuming the Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote
>> destination which rings the cloud registered codec.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
&g

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Ryan Huff]

Right... but the codec is registered in the Webex cloud (in this scenario), so 
you need to share the uri with the hybrid remote destination to trombone the 
call back out to the cloud if you’re letting the call come all the way into 
CUCM, and do it in a “least amount of MACD way”.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:57, NateCCIE  wrote:


Doesn’t cucm have the ability to look at the user portion of the URI only?  For 
like when you’re routing to a DN?  Or I think you can add the short domain to 
the list of the CUCM “owned” domains in enterprise parameters.

From: Ryan Huff 
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 8:51 PM
To: NateCCIE 
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Hey Nate ... the original ask I think, was to do it all with DNS only and no 
intervention at layer 4, which to my knowledge, DNS alone couldn’t do.

Expressway search rule, CUCM LUA script... etc could all do it in reality.

However, the actual goal appears to be dialing a Webex cloud registered codec, 
using a non cloud uri (...@rooms.webex.com<mailto:...@rooms.webex.com>), and 
for that Webex Hybrid calling with Expressway B2B would get you there, and also 
checks the “no additional transformation needed” box.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:41, NateCCIE 
mailto:natec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 I am not thinking right?  Can’t a dns srv get the call routed to a specific 
host? Then a quick expressway transform to change the domain, and you’re done.

Think of it as a different internal domain va external domain.

f...@company.com<mailto:f...@company.com> does goes to 
expressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com which does a quick trans to 
foo@internal.local<mailto:foo@internal.local>


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:


Interesting. I’ll have to look into that.  Thx.
-sent from mobile device-


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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help accomplish 
this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling would allow 
for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote destination of the 
codec.

The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and assuming the 
Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote destination which 
rings the cloud registered codec.

It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:


Darn. Double darn.

Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon.

‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com<mailto:room...@acme.rooms.webex.com> is a 
bit much.
-sent from mobile device-


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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:
What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser.

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

You can create a round robin A record, that resolves to multiple IP addresses, 
so when the client looks up the DNS SRV, it receives multiple targets to try 
before considering the SRV target “unreachable” (SRV weights and priorities 
determine the ordering of the target addresses resolved for the client). 
However, this won

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Anthony Holloway]

I think Lelio was wondering about a pure cloud registered device, and then
simply purchasing a vanity domain to overlay on top of the ugly webex one.

You knowlike URL shortening
<https://blog.rebrandly.com/the-history-of-url-shorteners/>.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 9:57 PM NateCCIE  wrote:

> Doesn’t cucm have the ability to look at the user portion of the URI
> only?  For like when you’re routing to a DN?  Or I think you can add the
> short domain to the list of the CUCM “owned” domains in enterprise
> parameters.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Huff 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 4, 2019 8:51 PM
> *To:* NateCCIE 
> *Cc:* Lelio Fulgenzi ; cisco-voip voyp list <
> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution
>
>
>
> Hey Nate ... the original ask I think, was to do it all with DNS only and
> no intervention at layer 4, which to my knowledge, DNS alone couldn’t do.
>
>
>
> Expressway search rule, CUCM LUA script... etc could all do it in reality.
>
>
>
> However, the actual goal appears to be dialing a Webex cloud registered
> codec, using a non cloud uri (...@rooms.webex.com), and for that Webex
> Hybrid calling with Expressway B2B would get you there, and also checks the
> “no additional transformation needed” box.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:41, NateCCIE  wrote:
>
>  I am not thinking right?  Can’t a dns srv get the call routed to a
> specific host? Then a quick expressway transform to change the domain, and
> you’re done.
>
>
>
> Think of it as a different internal domain va external domain.
>
>
>
> f...@company.com does goes to expressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com
> which does a quick trans to foo@internal.local
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> Interesting. I’ll have to look into that.  Thx.
>
> *-sent from mobile device-*
>
>
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
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>  |
> @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> [image: University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
> Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help
> accomplish this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling
> would allow for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote
> destination of the codec.
>
>
>
> The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and assuming
> the Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote
> destination which rings the cloud registered codec.
>
>
>
> It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> Darn. Double darn.
>
>
>
> Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon.
>
>
>
> ‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com is a bit much.
>
> *-sent from mobile device-*
>
>
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
> www.uoguelph.ca/ccs
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uoguelph.ca%2Fccs=02%7C01%7C%7C9b720a4af69b41bebb5008d7493d7691%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058400631419029=Bm%2FOh%2Fp3TDYkOYis27I47D3rrDAJDEp4doaBw5lr9XA%3D=0>
>  |
> @UofGCCS on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook
>
>
>
> [image: University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff  wrote:
>
> What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to
> ultimately setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without
> the calling party being the wiser.
>
>
>
> DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think,
> because it really soun

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

 regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[NateCCIE]

Doesn’t cucm have the ability to look at the user portion of the URI only?  For 
like when you’re routing to a DN?  Or I think you can add the short domain to 
the list of the CUCM “owned” domains in enterprise parameters.

 

From: Ryan Huff  
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 8:51 PM
To: NateCCIE 
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi ; cisco-voip voyp list 

Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

 

Hey Nate ... the original ask I think, was to do it all with DNS only and no 
intervention at layer 4, which to my knowledge, DNS alone couldn’t do.  

 

Expressway search rule, CUCM LUA script... etc could all do it in reality.

 

However, the actual goal appears to be dialing a Webex cloud registered codec, 
using a non cloud uri (...@rooms.webex.com <mailto:...@rooms.webex.com> ), and 
for that Webex Hybrid calling with Expressway B2B would get you there, and also 
checks the “no additional transformation needed” box.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:41, NateCCIE mailto:natec...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 I am not thinking right?  Can’t a dns srv get the call routed to a specific 
host? Then a quick expressway transform to change the domain, and you’re done. 

 

Think of it as a different internal domain va external domain.

 

f...@company.com <mailto:f...@company.com>  does goes to 
expressway.companyinfrastructuredomain.com which does a quick trans to 
foo@internal.local <mailto:foo@internal.local> 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 4, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> > wrote:

 

 

Interesting. I’ll have to look into that.  Thx. 

-sent from mobile device-





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On Oct 4, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Webex Hybrid Calling (with Expressway B2B), could in theory, help accomplish 
this. The codec is still cloud registered, though Hybrid calling would allow 
for an on-prem URI to be associated with the Webex remote destination of the 
codec.  

 

The call would come into the on-prem URI via B2B like normal, and assuming the 
Hybrid integration was setup correctly, ring the Webex remote destination which 
rings the cloud registered codec.

 

It’s a little bit of an ugly trombone, but it does work..

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 4, 2019, at 22:09, Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca> > wrote:

 

 

Darn. Double darn.  

 

Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon. 

 

‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com <mailto:room...@acme.rooms.webex.com>  is a 
bit much. 

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser. 

 

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

 

You can create a round robin A record, that resolves to multiple IP addresses, 
so when the client looks up the DNS SRV, it receives multiple targets to try 
before considering the SRV target “unreachable” (SRV weights and priorities 
determine the ordering of the target addresses resolved for the client). 
However, this won’t have the ability to change the called URI, which is 
ultimately what I think you’re attempting in the scenario (DNS and SIP messages 
are on different networking layers).

 

As Dave mentioned below, Expressway or a LUA script (sip normalization) in CUCM 
seems to be uniquely qualified for what you’re wanting to do.

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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

According to RFC 2782 
(https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2782.txt=02%7C01%7C%7C9b720a4af69b41bebb5008d7493d7691%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058400631429128=OAmRMMzoz0YfzhuHqJuiHYHNI9JHtJrfTTEeesLBbDg%3D=0>),
 it does not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[NateCCIE]

.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt), it does 
>>>>>> not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
>>>>>> records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
>>>>>> before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
>>>>>> application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with 
>>>>>> regards to PTR or something.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only 
>>>>>>> change where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a 
>>>>>>>> supported fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying 
>>>>>>>> infrastructure at this time.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we 
>>>>>>>> haven’t found much documentation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON 
>>>>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Dave Goodwin  
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
>>>>>>>> Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening 
>>>>>>>> within a SIP UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere 
>>>>>>>> (SRV or CNAME record for example) it would not change the destination 
>>>>>>>> URI the originator is trying to reach. The SIP protocol has 
>>>>>>>> redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but whether or how you might be 
>>>>>>>> able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization 
>>>>>>>> script (CUCM), SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern 
>>>>>>>> replacements (Expressway) to just translate the domain as calls flow 
>>>>>>>> in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible without knowing more of 
>>>>>>>> the picture.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
>>>>>>>> coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com I want to use 
>>>>>>>> coy...@zing.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try 
>>>>>>>> again.”
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -sent from mobile device-
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON 
>>>>>>>> | N1G 2W1
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

t CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
-sent from mobile device-

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Ryan Huff]

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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | 
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Darn. Double darn.

Let’s hope webex offers up custom domain registration for devices soon.

‘Cause room...@acme.rooms.webex.com<mailto:room...@acme.rooms.webex.com> is a 
bit much.

-sent from mobile device-

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser.

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

You can create a round robin A record, that resolves to multiple IP addresses, 
so when the client looks up the DNS SRV, it receives multiple targets to try 
before considering the SRV target “unreachable” (SRV weights and priorities 
determine the ordering of the target addresses resolved for the client). 
However, this won’t have the ability to change the called URI, which is 
ultimately what I think you’re attempting in the scenario (DNS and SIP messages 
are on different networking layers).

As Dave mentioned below, Expressway or a LUA script (sip normalization) in CUCM 
seems to be uniquely qualified for what you’re wanting to do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 20:40, Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:



I’ve seen some references to Cisco SIP proxy server.

Would that help?

-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

According to RFC 2782 
(https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2782.txt=02%7C01%7C%7C8d67c4a26a104ee8d3e808d7492c8ff2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058328048087715=IuzbX7iIL%2B701WKSoqOVA8jUKD2xWXx5ACgHIlyxvsI%3D=0>),
 it does not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I unders

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Ryan Huff]

What it sounds like you are trying to do to me, is allow the call to ultimately 
setup with a URI different than the URI that was dialed, without the calling 
party being the wiser.

DNS won’t be able to do anything with regards to that I don’t think, because it 
really sounds like you’re trying to manipulate/transform the called URI, and 
you’ll need something to interact with the SIP message stack for that I’d think.

You can create a round robin A record, that resolves to multiple IP addresses, 
so when the client looks up the DNS SRV, it receives multiple targets to try 
before considering the SRV target “unreachable” (SRV weights and priorities 
determine the ordering of the target addresses resolved for the client). 
However, this won’t have the ability to change the called URI, which is 
ultimately what I think you’re attempting in the scenario (DNS and SIP messages 
are on different networking layers).

As Dave mentioned below, Expressway or a LUA script (sip normalization) in CUCM 
seems to be uniquely qualified for what you’re wanting to do.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 20:40, Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:



I’ve seen some references to Cisco SIP proxy server.

Would that help?

-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | 
le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

According to RFC 2782 
(https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Frfc%2Frfc2782.txt=02%7C01%7C%7C8d67c4a26a104ee8d3e808d7492c8ff2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637058328048087715=IuzbX7iIL%2B701WKSoqOVA8jUKD2xWXx5ACgHIlyxvsI%3D=0>),
 it does not, under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address 
records for this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.

Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

I’ve seen some references to Cisco SIP proxy server.

Would that help?

-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | 
le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs> | @UofGCCS on Instagram, 
Twitter and Facebook

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On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Ryan Huff 
mailto:ryanh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

According to RFC 2782 (https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt), it does not, 
under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address records for 
this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade mailto:bmead...@vt.edu>> 
wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


---
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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Ryan Huff]

According to RFC 2782 (https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2782.txt), it does not, 
under the “Target Definition”; “there must be one or more address records for 
this name, the name must not be an alias”.

However, I can tell you that I have used a CNAME in the SRV target field 
before, and it appeared to work at the time. Still, depending on the 
application, doing so could potentially cause some weird issue with regards to 
PTR or something.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2019, at 19:10, Brian Meade  wrote:


I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only change 
where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:
Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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From: Dave Goodwin mailto:dave.good...@december.net>>
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>>
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
-sent from mobile device-

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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Brian Meade]

I don't think DNS SRV records support CNAME.  Even then, it would only
change where it was sent to and not the SIP headers.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:26 PM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

> Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a
> supported fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying
> infrastructure at this time.
>
>
>
> I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t
> found much documentation.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> [image: University of Guelph Cornerstone with Improve Life tagline]
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Goodwin 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
> *To:* Lelio Fulgenzi 
> *Cc:* cisco-voip voyp list 
> *Subject:* Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution
>
>
>
> Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within
> a SIP UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME
> record for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator
> is trying to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or
> 302) but whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP
> UAs being used.
>
>
>
> You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script
> (CUCM), SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements
> (Expressway) to just translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm
> guessing what might be feasible without knowing more of the picture.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:
>
>
>
> Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?
>
>
>
> By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing
> coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com I want to use coy...@zing.com
>
>
>
> But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.
>
>
>
> I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
>
> *-sent from mobile device-*
>
>
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Yeah – I’d want this to happen all within DNS. But of course, in a supported 
fashion. I’m not interested in spending time modifying infrastructure at this 
time.

I’ve done some searching, and there’s talk of RR records, but we haven’t found 
much documentation.


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Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
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From: Dave Goodwin 
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Lelio Fulgenzi 
Cc: cisco-voip voyp list 
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a SIP 
UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME record 
for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator is trying 
to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or 302) but 
whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script (CUCM), 
SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements (Expressway) to just 
translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm guessing what might be feasible 
without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi 
mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>> wrote:

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com<mailto:coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com>
 I want to use coy...@zing.com<mailto:coy...@zing.com>

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | 
le...@uoguelph.ca<mailto:le...@uoguelph.ca>

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Re: [cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Dave Goodwin]

Are you wanting this to all happen within DNS instead of happening within a
SIP UA? As far as I understand, if DNS redirected somewhere (SRV or CNAME
record for example) it would not change the destination URI the originator
is trying to reach. The SIP protocol has redirection codes (such as 301 or
302) but whether or how you might be able to use them depends on the SIP
UAs being used.

You might also be able to use something like a SIP normalization script
(CUCM), SIP profiles (CUBE), or maybe search pattern replacements
(Expressway) to just translate the domain as calls flow in/out. I'm
guessing what might be feasible without knowing more of the picture.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 11:10 AM Lelio Fulgenzi  wrote:

>
> Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?
>
> By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing
> coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com I want to use coy...@zing.com
>
> But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.
>
> I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”
>
> *-sent from mobile device-*
>
>
> *Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.* | Senior Analyst
>
> Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
>
> Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
> N1G 2W1
>
> 519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 <519-824-4120;56354> | le...@uoguelph.ca
>
>
>
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[cisco-voip] SIP Domain substitution

[Lelio Fulgenzi]

Does SIP allow for domain name substitution?

By this I mean, instead of advertising or dialing 
coy...@phones.america.acmemanufacturing.com
 I want to use coy...@zing.com

But I don’t want to have to reorganize and reprogram anything.

I just want the DNS to say, “hey, use this domain instead and try again.”

-sent from mobile device-

Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. | Senior Analyst
Computing and Communications Services | University of Guelph
Room 037 Animal Science & Nutrition Bldg | 50 Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON | N1G 
2W1
519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 | 
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