Re: slackpocalypse? next steps?

[Sean Corfield]

I agree. There’s been a lot of hand-wringing about the potential impending 
“Slackpocalypse” and it seems like some people think this is a problem that 
needs to be “solved” (by consensus) – but, despite a lot of conversations (in 
the #community-development channel on the Clojurians Slack primarily), no 
“perfect solution” has yet been agreed… and to be honest that’s very unlikely 
to happen: different people have different criteria for what is acceptable.

 

Putting on my Clojurians Admin Hat, what I’d like to see happen here is for 
each proposed “solution”:

 

Post a new thread on this mailing list with a subject “Slack alternative? 
” – with a brief overview of what the system is, 
what platforms it runs on (including native mobile if available) and, most 
importantly, how to sign up and try it out for Clojure-related chatter. Please 
include links to the service/product and other stuff you think is relevant ☺

 

Until folks actually go and sign up and try out each service, we’re not going 
to make progress.

 

As folks try each service, they can provide feedback in the relevant thread – 
both positive as well as negative (constructively) please!

 

We’re almost certainly not going to find a replacement for Slack (or any other 
communications medium) but we may find several new, additional ways to 
communicate as a community.

 

Sean Corfield -- (970) FOR-SEAN -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

 

On 5/23/17, 6:22 PM, "Colin Yates"  wrote:

 

I've only been skimming this but "analysis paralysis" comes to mind :-). What 
is the harm in establishing a presence in matrix (bagsy the "neo" handle) and 
letting people know? As has been said, people will vote with their feet so if 
in a months time matrix is a Clojure ghost town then lesson learned. 

 

Or, if I have missed some pertinent fact then by all means, sigh, tut and 
mutter "sheesh, these drive by commenters are annoying" :-).

On Wednesday, 24 May 2017, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

2017-05-23 23:04 GMT+02:00 Colin Fleming :

On 24 May 2017 at 00:13, Herwig Hochleitner  wrote:

I doubt the whole community would want to move anywhere from Slack.

 

Perhaps this will have to wait until Slack inevitably throws us off, then.

 

 

What I'm saying is, that the whole community isn't in a single place anyway. 
Slack happens to be most popular, right now, but we are spread across IRC, 
gitter / github, slack, mailing lists, discord, stack overflow, reddit and 
probably many more.

 

IMO trying to move everybody to one thing is an exercise in futility, but 
consuming / producing to / from all those places through a generic protocol is 
a realistic hope, as matrix is proving right now. 

 

It's a far cry from searching for "cursive" from anywhere in Clojurians, 
though. Searching for channels based on some vague criteria seemed difficult, 
and searching for Clojure related content across channels is also a pretty bad 
experience.

 

Granted, matrix' search facilities are far from optimal, as of now. But unlike 
the alternatives, just about everybody could be (and somebody probably is) 
improving on that.

 

There has been some talk of making a Clojure-related room directory in an 
external webpage or something but it's still a kludge. I'm not sure to what 
extent this would be fixed if we ran our own room server, but then someone has 
to maintain that.

 

Same. This is currently being worked on: 
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2454

 

I'd just like to mention, that in the year or so, that I've been using matrix, 
the stream of improvements has been pretty steady. So while it might not 
currently do everything we need, it's the best hope for bridging the community 
across all the various services that (will continue to) exist.

 

2017-05-23 23:31 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore :

I watched the matrix video linked above and it seems there is a Slack bridge 
that would allow Slack fans to stay put and others to choose their own client 
or even go back to IRC. What am I missing?

 

The slack bridge is working fine, but slack has a nagging limitation of one 
bridged room per organization or some "monetization incentive" like that.

 

If slack allowed a full bridge, "slackpocalypse" and its message limit would 
already be a solved problem. Such are the ways of proprietary services ...

 

I too have no skin in this game... I still prefer this mailing list, as is self 
evident. I suppose I could build a matrix bridge for Google Groups.

 

related: https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-email-bot

 

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Andy Fingerhut  
wrote:

I have no skin in this game, but wasn't the move to Slack pretty much a "vote 
with your feet" combined with word of mouth advertising?  It seems to me the 
same could happen to add another on-line chat tool/system, without anyone 
taking a poll/voting on this or any other medium.  We'll

[ANN] com.walmartlabs/lacinia 0.17.0

[Howard Lewis Ship]

Lacinia is an open-source implementation of Facebook's GraphQL
specification, in Clojure.

GraphQL is an outstanding approach to getting diverse clients and servers
exchanging data cleanly and efficiently.

The GitHub repository is https://github.com/walmartlabs/lacinia

Documentation: http://lacinia.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

This release adds:

- Simplified default mapping from field name to map key
- Ability to apply type tags to values that don't support metadata
- Ability to decorate field resolvers, typically to adapt the return value
to Lacinia
- API to identify the operations in the query before execution
- API to identify selections to execute below a particular field, during
query execution

-- 
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Senior Mobile Developer at Walmart Labs

Creator of Apache Tapestry

(971) 678-5210
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[ANN] re-mote , A live coding environment for configuration management (https://github.com/re-ops/re-mote)

[ronen]

Most (if not all) configuration management tools currently are static in 
nature, you write you code deploy it and apply (rinse and repeat).


Still our live environments change rapidly and having this cycle in place 
really slows our reaction time down.


RE-mote is a re-take on how remote operations would look like when using a 
live REPL to drive them.

Feedback is welcome https://github.com/re-ops/re-mote

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Re: [ANN] Eastwood, the Clojure lint tool, version 0.2.4 released

[LaurentJ]

Hi,

If you dont mind, just use them all  ;)
https://github.com/itang/lein-checkall


Le mardi 23 mai 2017 18:16:01 UTC+2, Travis Daudelin a écrit :
>
>  Hi, thanks for posting this looks great!
>
> Is there any overlap in functionality between Eastwood and Kibit 
> ? It's not clear to me which tool I 
> should prefer nor when.
>

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