Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
- Original Message - > From: "Matthew Miller" > To: j...@redhat.com, "Fedora Cloud SIG" > Cc: atomic-de...@projectatomic.io > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 7:59:16 AM > Subject: Re: Screen in F22 Atomic? > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 02:45:25AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > Did I miss something, or when did we decide to add "screen"? IIRC that > > was discussed and rejected, as we already provide tmux. > > +1 to just tmux > > -- > Matthew Miller > > Fedora Project Leader > ___ > cloud mailing list > cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > Another +1 to just tmux. -- David ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 01:30:29PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> needing cloud-init or grubby. For host images, I think the best
> approach might be to make a minimal python package (possibly a parallel
> one rather than splitting the existing one) with _just_ the modules
> installed needed to run those programs.
And as a side benefit, a dedicated system-python that was separate
from /usr/bin/python would also help prevent the "help I upgraded
python and broke my entire system" problem that often crops up.
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Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:19:13AM -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Of course, I'd love to see the Python run-time disappear from > "minimalist" systems too - you pretty much have to have 'gawk', 'sed' > and one of the shells so your command line is Turing complete even > without a "scripting language". Yeah, we've talked about this. It's hard, since we've used it as the system scripting language in Fedora for a long time. Notably, yum/dnf, cloud-init, and firewalld (this last not included in the cloud image, but there it is) use it. Additionally, there is a plan to port grubby, the kernel update helper, to Python as the current C code is hard to test and maintain. For the container image, I think this is solvable by having yum/dnf run externally to the managed container as a helper, and just plain not needing cloud-init or grubby. For host images, I think the best approach might be to make a minimal python package (possibly a parallel one rather than splitting the existing one) with _just_ the modules installed needed to run those programs. Right now, IDLE and 2to3 a significant portion of the python-libs installed on every system. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
+1 for just tmux and +10 for every unneeded package you can take out of Atomic and out of the Docker base image. ;-) 'nano' instead of 'vim-minimal'? Of course, I'd love to see the Python run-time disappear from "minimalist" systems too - you pretty much have to have 'gawk', 'sed' and one of the shells so your command line is Turing complete even without a "scripting language". On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Micah Abbott wrote: > I was a casual user of 'screen' and made the switch to 'tmux' after learning > it was the only option in Atomic. > > Took me about a day or two to get comfortable with 'tmux' and I find it much > more useful than 'screen'. > > Another +1 to just 'tmux' > > -Micah > > - Original Message - >> From: "Matthew Miller" >> To: j...@redhat.com, "Fedora Cloud SIG" >> Cc: atomic-de...@projectatomic.io >> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:59:16 AM >> Subject: Re: Screen in F22 Atomic? >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 02:45:25AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: >> > Did I miss something, or when did we decide to add "screen"? IIRC that >> > was discussed and rejected, as we already provide tmux. >> >> +1 to just tmux >> >> -- >> Matthew Miller >> >> Fedora Project Leader >> ___ >> cloud mailing list >> cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud >> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct >> > ___ > cloud mailing list > cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists http://www.znmeb.mobi/stories/osjourno-robust-power-tools-for-digital-journalists Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
I was a casual user of 'screen' and made the switch to 'tmux' after learning it was the only option in Atomic. Took me about a day or two to get comfortable with 'tmux' and I find it much more useful than 'screen'. Another +1 to just 'tmux' -Micah - Original Message - > From: "Matthew Miller" > To: j...@redhat.com, "Fedora Cloud SIG" > Cc: atomic-de...@projectatomic.io > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 10:59:16 AM > Subject: Re: Screen in F22 Atomic? > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 02:45:25AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > Did I miss something, or when did we decide to add "screen"? IIRC that > > was discussed and rejected, as we already provide tmux. > > +1 to just tmux > > -- > Matthew Miller > > Fedora Project Leader > ___ > cloud mailing list > cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Screen in F22 Atomic?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 02:45:25AM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > Did I miss something, or when did we decide to add "screen"? IIRC that > was discussed and rejected, as we already provide tmux. +1 to just tmux -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
