Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 18:16, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Shane Stanley wrote: On 30 Jul 2015, at 9:36 pm, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Including me, I know of three people who have gotten these. FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. Which other ones? I haven't seen them on ASOC or the Applescript ones (which I am aware you are subbed to). I’m guessing that a bone fide user has an infected machine, if this is the case, then it’s whatever lists they are subscribed to. It helps if you strip all email addresses except the list from your replies. If you want to reply to the sender too, send it as two separate emails. Cheers Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Blue-Eyed Cass promised me what every man desired but few can obtain mere hours after we friended each other on Facebook. I live with my mother in Ghana. I expect her really does, but the real tragedy of Blue-Eyed Cass is not that she depletes lonely men of all they possess, but that she does not really return our affection. -- Mike On 7/31/15, Graham Cox graham@bigpond.com wrote: On 30 Jul 2015, at 11:45 pm, Shane Stanley sstan...@myriad-com.com.au wrote: Olivia seems to get around. Maybe we should give her the benefit of the doubt. I sent her my credit card details and now she’s promised she’s going to come and visit once she’s sorted out the flights. You’ll all be sorry when I’m going out with my new sexy girlfriend! Ha! —Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/mdcrawford%40gmail.com This email sent to mdcrawf...@gmail.com -- Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://www.warplife.com/mdc/ Every Deity Hath the Insight to Foretell the Future Yet G-d Almighty Himself Possesseth Not the Power to Undo the Past. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 11:45 pm, Shane Stanley sstan...@myriad-com.com.au wrote: Olivia seems to get around. Maybe we should give her the benefit of the doubt. I sent her my credit card details and now she’s promised she’s going to come and visit once she’s sorted out the flights. You’ll all be sorry when I’m going out with my new sexy girlfriend! Ha! —Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
I’m on both of the affected lists, but so far have not been treated to Olivia’s favour (meanwhile my inbox is bulging with mail complaining about her, and I apologise in advance to contributing to that count, effectively spamming myself… :(. On 30 Jul 2015, at 20:45, Shane Stanley sstan...@myriad-com.com.au wrote: On 30 Jul 2015, at 9:36 pm, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Including me, I know of three people who have gotten these. FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. -- Shane Stanley sstan...@myriad-com.com.au www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/apps/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/sqwarqdev%40icloud.com This email sent to sqwarq...@icloud.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:57, Dave d...@looktowindward.com wrote: The easy answer is for the Apple lists NOT to send email addresses of the poster(s) and to direct all replies to the list itself. When I hit reply, it set TO: to the original sender, then CC:The List and others in the thread, this is what the spammer is picking up. Then any spam would go to the list and it could dealt with there once, not by all that are affected. Since you have to be subscribed to the list to post, the likelihood would even be that either the message would either be rejected right away, or there would be a sender address subscribed to the list that could be unsubscribed to cause future bounces. That sounds like an actionable approach. List admins, is this a possible setup for whatever list management software you're using? Cheers, -- Uli Kusterer The Witnesses of TeachtText are everywhere... ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
I seem to remember one trick back in the old days, was to munge up your email address some thing like this nodaves...@looktowindward.com or some such and I seem to remember I had one dedicated email address for lists (or at least the Apple Lists). Not sure if that would work on this problem, depends on whether the auto reply thing is smart. Actually thinking about it more, it could be an infected machine of a bona-fibe member. Dave On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:29, Bill Cheeseman wjcheese...@gmail.com wrote: People have been asking for this change for at least 15 years, and it has been refused just as many times. As a born skeptic, I doubt there is any point in asking again now. -- Bill Cheeseman - wjcheese...@comcast.net On Jul 30, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote: Since you have to be subscribed to the list to post, the likelihood would even be that either the message would either be rejected right away, or there would be a sender address subscribed to the list that could be unsubscribed to cause future bounces. That sounds like an actionable approach. List admins, is this a possible setup for whatever list management software you're using? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/dave%40looktowindward.com This email sent to d...@looktowindward.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
People have been asking for this change for at least 15 years, and it has been refused just as many times. As a born skeptic, I doubt there is any point in asking again now. -- Bill Cheeseman - wjcheese...@comcast.net On Jul 30, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote: Since you have to be subscribed to the list to post, the likelihood would even be that either the message would either be rejected right away, or there would be a sender address subscribed to the list that could be unsubscribed to cause future bounces. That sounds like an actionable approach. List admins, is this a possible setup for whatever list management software you're using? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Including me, I know of three people who have gotten these. I'll see if I still have the spam in one of my email boxes. On Jul 30, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Philip Ershler wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Joar Wingfors j...@joar.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:52, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. Right. If someone can come up with a concrete approach for how to address this issue I can make sure that it gets looked at. At the moment I’m just not clear on how that would be accomplished. An additional clue to this puzzle is that not everyone who is subscribed to the list received such messages. I, for one, did not. -Carl Nor me Phil ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/ershler%40cvrti.utah.edu This email sent to ersh...@cvrti.utah.edu ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/zav%40mac.com This email sent to z...@mac.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
The easy answer is for the Apple lists NOT to send email addresses of the poster(s) and to direct all replies to the list itself. When I hit reply, it set TO: to the original sender, then CC:The List and others in the thread, this is what the spammer is picking up. Then any spam would go to the list and it could dealt with there once, not by all that are affected. Cheers Dave ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 9:36 pm, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Including me, I know of three people who have gotten these. FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. -- Shane Stanley sstan...@myriad-com.com.au www.macosxautomation.com/applescript/apps/ ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Another thing to watch out for is giving “real” file paths in the body of emails to the list - e.g. cut and paste from log etc. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 14:57, 2551 2551p...@gmail.com wrote: I’m on both of the affected lists, but so far have not been treated to Olivia’s favour (meanwhile my inbox is bulging with mail complaining about her, and I apologise in advance to contributing to that count, effectively spamming myself… :(. Your ISP is probably catching it. I think mine is now as not got any for a while. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
It's not a person called Olivia. It appears to be a group called meetsecret.net. I was just replying to Shane over on the ASOC list since someone mentioned that they are getting Olivia spam too and the very next message I got was from the same group with an other Olivia email. I think that if we set up a filter to scan the email headers for *.meetsecret.net and route those to the trash, we should be free of this for at least a while. Here's part of the email header from one of those Olivia emails. Received: from [172.245.96.12] (unknown [172.245.96.12]) (Authenticated sender: oli...@meetsecret.net) by ns1.meetsecret.net (Postfix) … X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ns1.meetsecret.net Hope this helps Cheers, Alex Zavatone On Jul 30, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Flavio Donadio wrote: Alex, It’s about time the moderators kick this Olivia from this list. Anyone who hangs around with the .net and Android guys should be dangerous. Flavio On 30/07/2015, at 16:00, Alex Zavatone wrote: On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Shane Stanley wrote: FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. Which other ones? I haven't seen them on ASOC or the Applescript ones (which I am aware you are subbed to). Honestly, I had my hopes up, but now that I know that Olivia is cheating on this mailing list with other Apple mailing lists, I'm about to lose faith in her. I wouldn't be surprised if she's all over the .net and Android guys too. Spammers aren't what the used to be, I tell ya. Sigh. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/zav%40mac.com This email sent to z...@mac.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Chris, Your old homey Mike suggests that cocoa-dev could use a little TLC. Mike On Thursday, July 30, 2015, Michael David Crawford mdcrawf...@gmail.com wrote: Internet Crime Complaint Center http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx The CERT Division http://www.cert.org/ Forum on Risks to the Public in Computers and Related Systems http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/ I once used one-time emails to great effect. Unfortunately my hosting service configured my mail to accept any username, commonly but incorrectly known as a postmaster account. I once received 400 MB of spam per day! I strongly recommend one-time emails but dont make them obvious. Use common given names, but not your own name. Onfigure your mail server to accept each one you actually use. When the spam gets you down, unsubscribe from the list, configure a new one-time email, resubscribe. Keep the now-unused mail user for a while but mark everything as spam. When you grow weary of doing so delete the username. Gmail does work but it is impolite to draw so heavily on a free as in beer resource. If you like Gmail, Google offers a paid service that will mailhost your own domain. Javascript email obfuscation is effective because the bots dont even try to crack it: http://www.warplife.com/moat/alligators.js For extra credit, design your own custom software. If you desire only the very best: Set up an apparently legitimate site with some innocuous content that appears to belong to a real business. Provide a sitemap: http://www.sitemaps.org/ Put your sitemap's URL in your robots.txt: http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html supply a permissive one: User-agent: * Disallow: Sitemap: http://www.example.com/urllist.txt.gz ... or... Sitemap-index: http://www.example.com/sitemap-index.xml.gz ... the sitemap index points to urllist.txt.gz but contains a timestamp that reduces everyone's load. Plaster that site with lots of apparently-legitimate email addies. Submit your homepage URL: Painless Search Engine Site Submission http://www.warplife.com/tips/webmaster/site-submission.html ... wait until the spam gets REALLY out of control then install a Teergrube: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/teergrube.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpit_(networking) Onw simple way is that when a spammer tries to deliver mail to your smtp server you start to cooperate but then pause until just before the timeout, then issue a continuation character: - .. then pause again. But do _eventually_ accept the mail, that way the spammer wont receive a bounce. A few hours after each spam arrives, use cURL or wget to fetch each of its images. That's how spammers know that you like to read spam. Also click some of their links. The Coup d' Gras is to drop this domain's emails into a bunch of newsletter subscription forms. I'll Send You My Bill In The Mail. Mike mdcrawf...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mdcrawf...@gmail.com'); -- Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mdcrawf...@gmail.com'); http://www.warplife.com/mdc/ Every Deity Hath the Insight to Foretell the Future Yet G-d Almighty Himself Possesseth Not the Power to Undo the Past. -- Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://www.warplife.com/mdc/ Every Deity Hath the Insight to Foretell the Future Yet G-d Almighty Himself Possesseth Not the Power to Undo the Past. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Internet Crime Complaint Center http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx The CERT Division http://www.cert.org/ Forum on Risks to the Public in Computers and Related Systems http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/ I once used one-time emails to great effect. Unfortunately my hosting service configured my mail to accept any username, commonly but incorrectly known as a postmaster account. I once received 400 MB of spam per day! I strongly recommend one-time emails but dont make them obvious. Use common given names, but not your own name. Onfigure your mail server to accept each one you actually use. When the spam gets you down, unsubscribe from the list, configure a new one-time email, resubscribe. Keep the now-unused mail user for a while but mark everything as spam. When you grow weary of doing so delete the username. Gmail does work but it is impolite to draw so heavily on a free as in beer resource. If you like Gmail, Google offers a paid service that will mailhost your own domain. Javascript email obfuscation is effective because the bots dont even try to crack it: http://www.warplife.com/moat/alligators.js For extra credit, design your own custom software. If you desire only the very best: Set up an apparently legitimate site with some innocuous content that appears to belong to a real business. Provide a sitemap: http://www.sitemaps.org/ Put your sitemap's URL in your robots.txt: http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html supply a permissive one: User-agent: * Disallow: Sitemap: http://www.example.com/urllist.txt.gz ... or... Sitemap-index: http://www.example.com/sitemap-index.xml.gz ... the sitemap index points to urllist.txt.gz but contains a timestamp that reduces everyone's load. Plaster that site with lots of apparently-legitimate email addies. Submit your homepage URL: Painless Search Engine Site Submission http://www.warplife.com/tips/webmaster/site-submission.html ... wait until the spam gets REALLY out of control then install a Teergrube: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/T/teergrube.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpit_(networking) Onw simple way is that when a spammer tries to deliver mail to your smtp server you start to cooperate but then pause until just before the timeout, then issue a continuation character: - .. then pause again. But do _eventually_ accept the mail, that way the spammer wont receive a bounce. A few hours after each spam arrives, use cURL or wget to fetch each of its images. That's how spammers know that you like to read spam. Also click some of their links. The Coup d' Gras is to drop this domain's emails into a bunch of newsletter subscription forms. I'll Send You My Bill In The Mail. Mike mdcrawf...@gmail.com -- Michael David Crawford, Consulting Software Engineer mdcrawf...@gmail.com http://www.warplife.com/mdc/ Every Deity Hath the Insight to Foretell the Future Yet G-d Almighty Himself Possesseth Not the Power to Undo the Past. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Alex, It’s about time the moderators kick this Olivia from this list. Anyone who hangs around with the .net and Android guys should be dangerous. Flavio On 30/07/2015, at 16:00, Alex Zavatone wrote: On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Shane Stanley wrote: FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. Which other ones? I haven't seen them on ASOC or the Applescript ones (which I am aware you are subbed to). Honestly, I had my hopes up, but now that I know that Olivia is cheating on this mailing list with other Apple mailing lists, I'm about to lose faith in her. I wouldn't be surprised if she's all over the .net and Android guys too. Spammers aren't what the used to be, I tell ya. Sigh. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Joar Wingfors j...@joar.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:52, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. Right. If someone can come up with a concrete approach for how to address this issue I can make sure that it gets looked at. At the moment I’m just not clear on how that would be accomplished. An additional clue to this puzzle is that not everyone who is subscribed to the list received such messages. I, for one, did not. -Carl Nor me Phil ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/ershler%40cvrti.utah.edu This email sent to ersh...@cvrti.utah.edu ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:57 AM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: An additional clue to this puzzle is that not everyone who is subscribed to the list received such messages. I, for one, did not. -Carl Yeah, why is that? We’ve all been getting them, but you haven't! Why is that, Carl? Why haven’t they been sending them to you, Carl? How do I know *you’re* not the one behind all this, huh? You hear that, everybody? *He’s* the one! He’s the spammer! Get him! RRRGHHH!!! (excerpt from: “The Spammers Are Due on Maple Street”) Charles ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 30, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Philip Ershler wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Carl Hoefs newsli...@autonomy.caltech.edu wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Joar Wingfors j...@joar.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:52, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. Right. If someone can come up with a concrete approach for how to address this issue I can make sure that it gets looked at. At the moment I’m just not clear on how that would be accomplished. An additional clue to this puzzle is that not everyone who is subscribed to the list received such messages. I, for one, did not. -Carl Nor me Phil Selective email address validation to get the most return on each spam message? I do know that on one older Mac I have, I bounced the email right back and then ended up with another email asking for my credit card. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Shane Stanley wrote: On 30 Jul 2015, at 9:36 pm, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: Including me, I know of three people who have gotten these. FWIW, it's also happening to on at least one other Apple mailing list. Olivia seems to get around. Which other ones? I haven't seen them on ASOC or the Applescript ones (which I am aware you are subbed to). Honestly, I had my hopes up, but now that I know that Olivia is cheating on this mailing list with other Apple mailing lists, I'm about to lose faith in her. I wouldn't be surprised if she's all over the .net and Android guys too. Spammers aren't what the used to be, I tell ya. Sigh. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
I guess this is more of a list admin request, but it's rather shocking to get these emails from Olivia coming from replying to an Apple listserve thread. Is there anything we can do about the harvesting of our PII (Personally Identifiable Information) from the list so that we don't have the joy of dealing with getting emails with nude photos of random girls who want our credit card numbers in the middle of our work day? I'd prefer to save those tender moments for when I'm not in the office. But honestly, the listserv is open and query-able and it looks like the spammers have found that out. Any ideas? Thanks, Alex Zavatone ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
Gotta agree. I was shocked when that came in. On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:18 PM Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: I guess this is more of a list admin request, but it's rather shocking to get these emails from Olivia coming from replying to an Apple listserve thread. Is there anything we can do about the harvesting of our PII (Personally Identifiable Information) from the list so that we don't have the joy of dealing with getting emails with nude photos of random girls who want our credit card numbers in the middle of our work day? I'd prefer to save those tender moments for when I'm not in the office. But honestly, the listserv is open and query-able and it looks like the spammers have found that out. Any ideas? Thanks, Alex Zavatone ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/edolecki%40gmail.com This email sent to edole...@gmail.com ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: But honestly, the listserv is open and query-able and it looks like the spammers have found that out. I actually suspect it’s that a spammer has become registered for the list and is receiving the e-mails (and then sending an auto-reply), given that I’ve been getting one Olivia e-mail per message I send to the list, and not long after I send it. Charles ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 9:24 am, Charles Srstka cocoa...@charlessoft.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: But honestly, the listserv is open and query-able and it looks like the spammers have found that out. I actually suspect it’s that a spammer has become registered for the list and is receiving the e-mails (and then sending an auto-reply), given that I’ve been getting one Olivia e-mail per message I send to the list, and not long after I send it. Same here. I reported the problem to the list moderator listed at the bottom of every message, but that in itself triggered a bounce. I’m not sure if there is actually any way to contact the moderators unless they happen to take a look at the list themselves (i.e they apparently only poll, they do not register for notifications). —Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. —Jens Would it help track this person down if we posted some of the Received: headers from the e-mails we’ve been getting? Charles ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. —Jens ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 30 Jul 2015, at 6:24 am, Charles Srstka cocoa...@charlessoft.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Alex Zavatone z...@mac.com wrote: But honestly, the listserv is open and query-able and it looks like the spammers have found that out. I actually suspect it’s that a spammer has become registered for the list and is receiving the e-mails (and then sending an auto-reply), given that I’ve been getting one Olivia e-mail per message I send to the list, and not long after I send it. Charles That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. Haven't heard back yet, guess it's long since not been Scott moderating as this cr*p would have lasted 2 minutes. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Joar Wingfors j...@joar.com wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:52, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. Right. If someone can come up with a concrete approach for how to address this issue I can make sure that it gets looked at. At the moment I’m just not clear on how that would be accomplished. An additional clue to this puzzle is that not everyone who is subscribed to the list received such messages. I, for one, did not. -Carl ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Regarding these Olivia messages. Can we do something about the list security?
On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:52, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Roland King r...@rols.org wrote: That's what I think to and the filth spread to the xcode list, or spread from the xcode list. I wrote to the admins on both lists and asked them to remove this scum feeder from all apple lists. I don’t think there’s any way to figure out which subscriber it is. The spammer would almost certainly have subscribed under an anonymous Gmail or Yahoo address, not something easily detectable like “scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz mailto:scum_fee...@spamsalot.biz”. Right. If someone can come up with a concrete approach for how to address this issue I can make sure that it gets looked at. At the moment I’m just not clear on how that would be accomplished. Joar ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
