Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one, available in any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm cutting pliers and will make sure those leds will never be turned on again... I've got DuctTape 1.0 running on mine, it fixes the LED issues. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful the focus of the community is now all about $399 vs $400 rather than availability of Freerunner in certain colors. That's the marvel of communities. All it takes is a good topic-starter. :-) and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. However, I suspect that for many community members who were so eager to prefer v6 over v5, simply knowing that there is a workaround, and thus no known unavoidable hardware bugs exist in v5, would be enough, and actually implementing the workaround would not be that important. :-) -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. Well, I didn't know there was also this software workaround, since the only that was stated was turning off the LED itself... Anyway, according to the latest news also the v5 hardware shipped in MP will be fixed, so also this issue is gone away... However, I suspect that for many community members who were so eager to prefer v6 over v5, simply knowing that there is a workaround, and thus no known unavoidable hardware bugs exist in v5, would be enough, and actually implementing the workaround would not be that important. :-) Well, a workaround like this can be considered something like a real fix imho :P -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 It's exactly what PWM is about. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On 4/21/08, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:35:44 +0200, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 It's exactly what PWM is about. No. I do not think he was meaning PWM. I think I was meaning that the interval between each blink could be e.g. 12 sec instead of 2 sec. PWM is used in the on-time to blink the led on and off very fast so that it appears as always on, but dimmed. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:43:18 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. Well, I didn't know there was also this software workaround, since the only that was stated was turning off the LED itself... I didn't know that either. I've just made it up. Theoretically, it should work. Well, a workaround like this can be considered something like a real fix imho :P That is, if there is an easy way to do PWM without sucking too much CPU time. (Well, I suppose PWM will be used on the LEDs anyway for glowing/pulsing effects.) -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:51:52 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 It's exactly what PWM is about. No. I do not think he was meaning PWM. I think I was meaning that the interval between each blink could be e.g. 12 sec instead of 2 sec. Oops, I misread his post as if he meant microscopic instead of macroscopic intervals. -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Feldgendler Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:05 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful the focus of the community is now all about $399 vs $400 rather than availability of Freerunner in certain colors. That's the marvel of communities. All it takes is a good topic-starter. :-) and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. However, I suspect that for many community members who were so eager to prefer v6 over v5, simply knowing that there is a workaround, and thus no known unavoidable hardware bugs exist in v5, would be enough, and actually implementing the workaround would not be that important. :-) -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45:06 steve wrote: I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. Agreed. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45, steve wrote: I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one, available in any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm cutting pliers and will make sure those leds will never be turned on again... AVee -- You've been warned! If you fall and break your leg, don't come running to me! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
genius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Powell Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:36 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases On Monday 21 April 2008 10:04, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. Or just have it on for 1/6 the time or, if flashing, multiply the gap (off state) by 6. 1 second for v6 == 6 for v5 -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
There should also be some sort of time controlled switch to turn the blinking leds off at night, because nothing is more annoying than trying to sleep and then some lights starts blinking.. Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker Rosenkrantzvegen 19 N-4353 Klepp Stasjon On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, steve wrote: I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights off on any app if I so choose. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Feldgendler Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:05 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:05:20 +0200, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's wonderful the focus of the community is now all about $399 vs $400 rather than availability of Freerunner in certain colors. That's the marvel of communities. All it takes is a good topic-starter. :-) and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). BTW, there is a way to work around the v5 issue in software. Because the LED in an unmodified v5 shines 6 or so times as bright as it should (and eats 6 times more power), the solution is to correct the brightness with PWM to reduce it 6 times. This would bring the brightness and power consumption to normal. However, I suspect that for many community members who were so eager to prefer v6 over v5, simply knowing that there is a workaround, and thus no known unavoidable hardware bugs exist in v5, would be enough, and actually implementing the workaround would not be that important. :-) -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
99 vs RED (or was it PINK) Phone cases
It's wonderful the focus of the community is now all about $399 vs $400 rather than availability of Freerunner in certain colors. who says the community-based process with complete open-ness doesn't have an impact. and YES I agree, the remaining V5 vs V6 issues seem small (but we did get extra info and clarification, thanks Tony). May 1,000 (x100,000) Freerunners bloom. Soon. -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com http://twitter.com/RonKJeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
