Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Subject: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft Date: ven 21 mar 08 05:04:55 + Quoting Stroller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > But I do agree with you. VAT doesn't help me, either. I don't use any of > those silly services (like hospitals and roads) that taxes go to > support! I should be exempt from paying for them!! > > And as for recycling! Why should I care about electronics in landfills > leaking lead & mercury into the water supply? I won't be around next > century to worry about it!! :-) I had previously stated as a dire need the fact of having an identical *PRE-TAX* price for the freerunner on the two shores of the big pond. A basic option (with just one year of warranty, e-mail or IRC-based support, just the standard package content that comes from FIC) should be available and clearly advertised. With a precisely itemized price, and no intermediaries if at all possible. Resellers should earn their market share by offering premium services. They should not be the only choice. Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
On 20 Mar 2008, at 13:58, Matthias Ringwald wrote: ... the other stuff (support hotline, manuals, recycling, VAT.. ) does't help me personally. My experience is that a support hotline helps LOTS when your device dies and you need to get it replaced pronto. But I do agree with you. VAT doesn't help me, either. I don't use any of those silly services (like hospitals and roads) that taxes go to support! I should be exempt from paying for them!! And as for recycling! Why should I care about electronics in landfills leaking lead & mercury into the water supply? I won't be around next century to worry about it!! (Instead, you should realise that recycling is a European requirement, and that all EU importers must agree to recycle their products. If one has a dead Moko outside of warranty one will be entitled to return it to the importer for recycling, rather than landfill it - it is likely that Europeans who don't take advantage of this service will soon have to pay to dispose of electronic items; they won't be freely accepted at the local tip). Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Get it at Oxford Archaeology (was: Re: Get it at Pulster (was: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft))
I was told over lunch today that Oxford Archaeology's [1][2][3] intended use of the FreeRunner was discussed in the Independent [4] one weekend some time back. Nobody saved me a clipping though! Joseph [1]http://thehumanjourney.net [2]http://openarchaeology.net [3]http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net [4]http://www.independent.co.uk On 20/03/2008, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 14:58 +0100, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > > ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. > [..long thread...] > > Just for info, pulster is going to sell it too, so if you don't like > trisoft - go there (I'm not affiliated with them). > > They still have the Neo1973 in their shop but I don't know if it is > still available: > > http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm > > > Anyway, I asked them by email and they told me they will sell the > Freerunner too. The forces of the market will fix the prices :) > > Hope that helps to calm the storm in the teapot :-P > > Marcus > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Get it at Pulster (was: Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft)
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 14:58 +0100, Matthias Ringwald wrote: > ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. [..long thread...] Just for info, pulster is going to sell it too, so if you don't like trisoft - go there (I'm not affiliated with them). They still have the Neo1973 in their shop but I don't know if it is still available: http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?openmoko.htm Anyway, I asked them by email and they told me they will sell the Freerunner too. The forces of the market will fix the prices :) Hope that helps to calm the storm in the teapot :-P Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Ivo Anjo wrote: Yeah, I agree, lack of usb host cable sucks, it is one of my favorite features. I agree too, btw it's a few-euros device... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
hi ok. "ripping off" might be a bit exaggerated. but first reading 400 USD and then reading 399 EURO > 600 USD was just a bit irritating. the "extended warranty" sounds good, the other stuff (support hotline, manuals, recycling, VAT.. ) does't help me personally. Yes, I do have to pay Swiss VAT, but it's only 7.6 % compared to 19 % in Germany. If I would buy in the US, I would ask a friend/colleague to hand-deliver it to me.. :) and not have it shipped, which is normally expensive, too. matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Am 20.03.2008 um 13:53 schrieb Matthias Ringwald: I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD here. So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. Well, if you consider sales taxes, extended warranty (24 months), recycling (WEEE), localized manual, support hotline, lower shipment cost, shipment within 1-3 days etc. as not neccessary, it might look like "ripping off"... But note that you get more than a plain device when ordering from a reseller than ordering directly in Taiwan or the US. My impression is that people have the tendency to compare low US prices without any add-ons with the EU prices which must include every price component. So, please read the previous mails where it has already been explained. BTW: if you order in the EU from Switzerland, you can reduce the price by the reseller's country VAT (e.g. 19% in Germany). But you may have to pay your Swiss import tax. This may also apply if you order directly from the US depending on your country's customs rules. So I am not sure that you can legally get rid of any sales taxes. Finally, what I really find strange is calling this "ripping off". You could also say the same for any product, because they do not sell at 0 USD. There are people who work hard to get devices from Taiwan into your hands. Do you really expect them to be altruistic to do that work for free? Free and Open does not necessarily mean "Free Beer". Another area of freedom: we also have free trade in most parts of the world so you are free to choose the best location to buy. Nikolaus http://www.handheld-linux.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
Yeah, I agree, lack of usb host cable sucks, it is one of my favorite features. Ivo On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. > > > > On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: > > What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at > > [1]->Headset. > > > > Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? > > > > Kevin > > > > [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html > > > > Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > hi community, > > > here same interesting links > > > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > > > > > and trisoft > > > http://trisoft.de/ > > > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > > > > > torsten > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
I didn't follow up on all the previous mails, but 399 EURO = 624 USD which looks like a > 50 % rip off compared to the mentioned 399 USD here. So I would have to buy it in the US and even get rid of the sales tax.. matthias On 20.03.2008, at 13:31, Al Johnson wrote: I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at [1]->Headset. Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi community, here same interesting links http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html and trisoft http://trisoft.de/ http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
I'm a touch concerned about the lack of the cable for USB host mode too. On Thursday 20 March 2008, Kevin Zuber wrote: > What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at > [1]->Headset. > > Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? > > Kevin > > [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html > > Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > hi community, > > here same interesting links > > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > > > and trisoft > > http://trisoft.de/ > > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > > > torsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunnter - get it over trisoft
What I'm missing at the trisoft site is the headset, mentioned at [1]->Headset. Won't the Freerunner-Package include this nice looking headset? Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html Am Donnerstag, den 20.03.2008, 11:47 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > hi community, > here same interesting links > http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html > > and trisoft > http://trisoft.de/ > http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm > > torsten > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freerunnter - get it over trisoft
hi community, here same interesting links http://www.golem.de/0803/58520.html and trisoft http://trisoft.de/ http://trisoft.de/openmoko.htm torsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
