Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-19 Thread Didier Herisson
Le Mercredi 18 Juin 2003 20.05, Bellegarde Cédric a écrit :
> I think that urpmi need to introduce meta-package like we have on debian
> with apt...
>
> For exemple, it will be cool to do an urpmi kde to install all kde
> package or an urpmi Xwindow, urpmi gnome, ...

I agree with that ! And rpmdrake should then also have a classification by 
meta-package, allowing to add or remove some applications in those families.
It's already what is done during the install process, isn'it ?

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Didier



Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and newbies: they sometimes miss *installed* software

2003-06-17 Thread Didier Herisson

> > So, with current tools, a newbie may not find the software needed, only
> > because it is already installed. It happens. Isn't that sad ?
>
> I think the vast majority of those cases are not happening
> because those applications are so large they don't get unnoticed
> by the user (e.g. whe mozilla/xmms/etc is installed, it's
> difficult to miss it in the menus).
>
> > It would be better that rpmdrake also show already-installed software,
> > maybe greyed out or with a mention "this software is already installed
> > on your machine".
>
> No, it's a long time decision.

This "no" sounds do definitive to me... I agree with the separation between 
the installation/remove software: it may help to avoid mistakes. But newbies 
are not always aware of all the solutions offered by the already installed 
software.
I would like for myself a building of both lists, installed/installable, make 
the search by default on both of them, with greyed results for the already 
installed. Eventually, an option could allow to switch the search on only one 
list, or both (in order to be quicker, only the installable list may be build 
first, the second one being build on request).
A personnal reason is that I use those tools also when I don't know which 
tools to use, as it gives an easy access to the description of the 
software... 


> Though, this can lead to an interesting idea: when doing a search
> and nothing is found, I might add a special dialog when some
> already installed software match, right.

In my case, I would like to have an access to both list  simultaneously, even 
if only on request...

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Didier