Re: [Cooker] Installation can be easier
From: Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Cooker] Installation can be easier Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:36:23 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, unknown unknown wrote: Lucian Also, what do you all think about drag and drop installs, you have a CD in the drive, you are in gnome or nautilus, and you drag the game icon from the CD to a folder on your machine and it installs there. Possibly one of the worst ideas I've heard in recent times. RPM and the FHS are wonderful tools for keeping track of everything on your system. What you propose sounds like the Windows habit of installing everything in Program Files. You can already have click and play installs - just click on an RPM file and the installation process starts (IIRC - I never use a GUI for installation). Your proposal is a step several miles backwards from the current position. Automatic Installs would be hard to program i know that. But Image being able to just put a CD into your machine, and not having to click anything just watching whatever is on the CD load up on your screen. Just imagine the potential for viruses and other malignant entities. And the potential for destroying a working system by automatically adding a poorly-constructed package from something like a magazine cover CD. RPM, urpmi and friends (including apt, etc.) are the real killer applications on Linux, far surpassing anything on offer in the M$ world. Try comparing RPM to InstallShield - they're not just in different leagues; they're playing different sports! Michael If you dont want a virus, dont use automated installation, its for ease of use, its not for virus protection. If you want that, then use RPM or compile your programs. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
[Cooker] Installation can be easier
Discussion on Ease of Installation Issues. lets discuss why all linux distributions have to install manually, has anyone thought of making an installer, which installs completely as a backround process, for example someone pops in a mandrake CD, and now loading shows up, then some silly game shows up while its loading, and they play the game while everything installs, this is what consoles do, i wonder if it would work on the PC, what do you all think of backround installation? Not powerful,but for newbies Lucian Also, what do you all think about drag and drop installs, you have a CD in the drive, you are in gnome or nautilus, and you drag the game icon from the CD to a folder on your machine and it installs there. There should also be an option for power users. So, Manual Install, and Automatic Install. Automatic Install once turned on installs everything in the backround with no user input whatsoever. Manual Install Installs everything in the usual way. This way newbies will have no problems upgrading the kernel or whatever. Automatic Installs would be hard to program i know that. But Image being able to just put a CD into your machine, and not having to click anything just watching whatever is on the CD load up on your screen. Currently it seems to work for video game consoles, and it works on the Mac. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [Cooker] Installation can be easier
On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, unknown unknown wrote: Lucian Also, what do you all think about drag and drop installs, you have a CD in the drive, you are in gnome or nautilus, and you drag the game icon from the CD to a folder on your machine and it installs there. Possibly one of the worst ideas I've heard in recent times. RPM and the FHS are wonderful tools for keeping track of everything on your system. What you propose sounds like the Windows habit of installing everything in Program Files. You can already have click and play installs - just click on an RPM file and the installation process starts (IIRC - I never use a GUI for installation). Your proposal is a step several miles backwards from the current position. Automatic Installs would be hard to program i know that. But Image being able to just put a CD into your machine, and not having to click anything just watching whatever is on the CD load up on your screen. Just imagine the potential for viruses and other malignant entities. And the potential for destroying a working system by automatically adding a poorly-constructed package from something like a magazine cover CD. RPM, urpmi and friends (including apt, etc.) are the real killer applications on Linux, far surpassing anything on offer in the M$ world. Try comparing RPM to InstallShield - they're not just in different leagues; they're playing different sports! Michael
Re: [Cooker] Installation can be easier
RPM, urpmi and friends (including apt, etc.) are the real killer applications on Linux, far surpassing anything on offer in the M$ world. Try comparing RPM to InstallShield - they're not just in different leagues; they're playing different sports! RPM and urpmi aren't very intuitive, nor they are appropriate tool for installation. When I want installation, I want installation. I don't want to type this and that to get things install. I want a single click on an application, and it installs. For console, it should be the same. I want a console menu. It is a bit long ago that i used kpackage(was still kde1) But even than it was click on rpm, being asked for root passwd and than the question if you wanted it to install. For console: If you can´t issue rpm -Uvh rpm than you don´t belong at the console.
