[Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Jeran Fraser]

Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about every 
aspect of putting a cowork space together.

I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki. It 
sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best solution 
from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people think about 
Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the product, but licensing 
fees seem to price out a majority of spaces. 

Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi and 
the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to $200. 
Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been extremely 
educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely 
communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!

Jeran

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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Jacob Sayles]

Pro for sure and stay away from the AC units for now.  They are new and
working through some bugs.  Also make sure you account for a controller for
the system.  We just us a simple linux box running their software.  Easy as
pie.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:

> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about
> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>
> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki.
> It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best
> solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people
> think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the product,
> but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces.
>
> Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi
> and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to
> $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been
> extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely
> communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!
>
> Jeran
>
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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Alex Hillman]

I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was underwhelmed by
the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based on other people's
experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and performance depends
on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to the number of other
wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly they're configured.

In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones are
single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We currently
put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve some of our
weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the dual band Pro
access points.

You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge difference.

One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently
upgraded to Unifi's
EdgeRouter Lite

and
it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred
devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little
complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort!

-Alex


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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:

> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about
> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>
> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki.
> It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best
> solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people
> think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the product,
> but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces.
>
> Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi
> and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to
> $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been
> extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely
> communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!
>
> Jeran
>
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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Glen Ferguson]

I recently replaced our Meraki gear with Ubiquiti UniFi Pro. I think I'm in
month #2 with the new gear. My Meraki licenses were coming up for renewal
and it was obvious the MR12 they used to give out for free was going to
have to be replaced. It had trouble handling even 3 users. Licensing fees
were higher than getting the Ubiquiti UniFi and their EdgeMAX PoE router.

Doing WiFi mapping I'm seeing a stronger signal than with Meraki and the
handoff between access points has been seamless. I put the controller on a
small form factor PC that came loaded with Windows 8.1. If I was doing it
again I'd consider putting it on a Raspberry Pi.

Maybe not something you would want, but even out of the box the UniFi
controller has the ability to act as a hotspot. Our guest network has a 2
hour limit on it (something the Meraki could do too) but UniFi can also
take credit card transactions through Stripe for daypass purchases. I was
using Square for those, and the idea of getting all our financial
transactions into a single place (Stripe) makes reporting easier and makes
our accountant smile. I haven't gone live with that part yet, but in test
mode it's working well.

Echoing Alex's comment about the router, I have essentially the same router
but it has power over ethernet (PoE) built in to make it easy to power the
access points. I grabbed one on Amazon for $179 (EdgeMAX PoE). A tip on
configuring it: before you do anything else, upgrade the firmware to the
latest version. It includes a setup wizard that covers most scenarios a
cowork site might want, including load balancing/sharing Internet from 2
different providers.

I did find Meraki has better stats and usage tracking out of the box, but
it wasn't something we really needed, and the Ubiquiti forum community can
be a good resource. That's something that was lacking with Meraki - not
much in the way of documentation.

Realizing I'm straying from the original request - what do people think of
Meraki, let me get back on topic. I started off with their complimentary
MR12 unit you get for attending a webinar. Insert drug dealer joke about
"the first one is free". Sure enough, due to a 12" thick brick wall, I
needed a second unit for proper coverage. Now the Meraki rep tells me how
the MR12 is just a demo unit and should never be used in a real production
environment. This doesn't jive with the listed specs, btw. I got an MR16
with 2 year license from eBay. For comparison, the MR12 and UniFi are
similar - both 2.4GHz radios. The MR16 and UniFi Pro are both dual band
2.4GHz and 5GHz radios, so this may help your comparison shopping. The MR16
worked fine, and maybe if I had two of them the handoff as people moved
between floors would have been better. Unfortunately, upgrading hardware
and renewing licenses would have been out of budget, so I moved to Ubiquiti.



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On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Alex Hillman 
wrote:

> I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was underwhelmed
> by the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based on other
> people's experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and performance
> depends on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to the number
> of other wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly they're
> configured.
>
> In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones are
> single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We currently
> put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve some of our
> weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the dual band Pro
> access points.
>
> You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge difference.
>
> One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently upgraded
> to Unifi's EdgeRouter Lite
> 
>  and
> it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred
> devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little
> complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort!
>
> -Alex
>
>
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> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:
>
>> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about
>> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>>
>> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki.
>> It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best
>> solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people
>> think about Meraki, 

Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Jeran Fraser]

Alex,

Thanks so much for the feedback, super helpful. I spent some time on a 
webinar yesterday with Cisco. Meraki seems incredible and allows us the 
ability to manage users from several perspectives, but again, it's about 
weighing the cost benefits of the yearly license fee. I am definitely 
leaning toward the Unifi and will most likely pull the trigger on those 
today. Thanks for the info on the Unifi router as well, I'll add that to my 
purchase.

Jeran



On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:06:51 PM UTC-7, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was underwhelmed 
> by the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based on other 
> people's experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and performance 
> depends on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to the number 
> of other wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly they're 
> configured.
>
> In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones are 
> single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We currently 
> put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve some of our 
> weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the dual band Pro 
> access points.
>
> You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge difference. 
>
> One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently upgraded 
> to Unifi's EdgeRouter Lite 
> 
>  and 
> it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred 
> devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little 
> complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort! 
>
> -Alex
>
>
> --
> *The #1 mistake in community building is doing it by yourself.*
> Join the list: http://coworkingweekly.com
> Listen to the podcast: http://dangerouslyawesome.com/podcast
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  > wrote:
>
>> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about 
>> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>>
>> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki. 
>> It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best 
>> solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people 
>> think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the product, 
>> but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces. 
>>
>> Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi 
>> and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to 
>> $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been 
>> extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely 
>> communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!
>>
>> Jeran
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Alex Hillman]

FWIW, user management in a coworking space network can be 100x more work if
you let it...more work for you and your team, but also more work for
members. Keep it simple until you can't any more. :)

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, Jeran Fraser  wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Thanks so much for the feedback, super helpful. I spent some time on a
> webinar yesterday with Cisco. Meraki seems incredible and allows us the
> ability to manage users from several perspectives, but again, it's about
> weighing the cost benefits of the yearly license fee. I am definitely
> leaning toward the Unifi and will most likely pull the trigger on those
> today. Thanks for the info on the Unifi router as well, I'll add that to my
> purchase.
>
> Jeran
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:06:51 PM UTC-7, Alex Hillman wrote:
>>
>> I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was underwhelmed
>> by the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based on other
>> people's experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and performance
>> depends on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to the number
>> of other wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly they're
>> configured.
>>
>> In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones are
>> single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We currently
>> put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve some of our
>> weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the dual band Pro
>> access points.
>>
>> You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge difference.
>>
>> One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently upgraded
>> to Unifi's EdgeRouter Lite
>> 
>>  and
>> it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred
>> devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little
>> complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort!
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>> --
>> *The #1 mistake in community building is doing it by yourself.*
>> Join the list: http://coworkingweekly.com
>> Listen to the podcast: http://dangerouslyawesome.com/podcast
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about
>>> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>>>
>>> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose Meraki.
>>> It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the best
>>> solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some people
>>> think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the product,
>>> but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces.
>>>
>>> Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi
>>> and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to
>>> $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been
>>> extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely
>>> communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!
>>>
>>> Jeran
>>>
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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Liane J.]

Is it possible to successfully use the Ubiquity Pro without a controller? 
 And has anyone just used it as their router as well?  Pros and cons if so 
please - thanks!

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 10:27:30 AM UTC-5, Alex Hillman wrote:
>
> FWIW, user management in a coworking space network can be 100x more work 
> if you let it...more work for you and your team, but also more work for 
> members. Keep it simple until you can't any more. :)
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, Jeran Fraser > 
> wrote:
>
>> Alex,
>>
>> Thanks so much for the feedback, super helpful. I spent some time on a 
>> webinar yesterday with Cisco. Meraki seems incredible and allows us the 
>> ability to manage users from several perspectives, but again, it's about 
>> weighing the cost benefits of the yearly license fee. I am definitely 
>> leaning toward the Unifi and will most likely pull the trigger on those 
>> today. Thanks for the info on the Unifi router as well, I'll add that to my 
>> purchase.
>>
>> Jeran
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:06:51 PM UTC-7, Alex Hillman wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was underwhelmed 
>>> by the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based on other 
>>> people's experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and performance 
>>> depends on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to the number 
>>> of other wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly they're 
>>> configured.
>>>
>>> In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones 
>>> are single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We 
>>> currently put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve 
>>> some of our weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the 
>>> dual band Pro access points.
>>>
>>> You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge difference. 
>>>
>>> One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently upgraded 
>>> to Unifi's EdgeRouter Lite 
>>> 
>>>  and 
>>> it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred 
>>> devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little 
>>> complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort! 
>>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *The #1 mistake in community building is doing it by yourself.*
>>> Join the list: http://coworkingweekly.com
>>> Listen to the podcast: http://dangerouslyawesome.com/podcast
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about 
 every aspect of putting a cowork space together.

 I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose 
 Meraki. It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the 
 best solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some 
 people think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the 
 product, but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces. 

 Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic Unifi 
 and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro closer to 
 $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has been 
 extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I rarely 
 communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!

 Jeran

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Re: [Coworking] Unifi Basic/Pro and Meraki

[Alex Hillman]

I've accidentally run our network without the controller...because the
software wasn't running :) It stayed up and many people stayed online, but
the reason I even noticed that the software wasn't running was because some
members were having trouble with their connections.

If you're just running a SINGLE UAP-Pro, it may be easier to get away
without a controller. But even then, the controller software monitors
things like signal interference and automatically adjust channels and other
settings to make your wifi stable and strong.

There's not really a good reason to skip the controller, and tons of great
reasons to have it set up.

-Alex




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On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Liane J.  wrote:

> Is it possible to successfully use the Ubiquity Pro without a controller?
> And has anyone just used it as their router as well?  Pros and cons if so
> please - thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 10:27:30 AM UTC-5, Alex Hillman wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, user management in a coworking space network can be 100x more work
>> if you let it...more work for you and your team, but also more work for
>> members. Keep it simple until you can't any more. :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, Jeran Fraser  wrote:
>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for the feedback, super helpful. I spent some time on a
>>> webinar yesterday with Cisco. Meraki seems incredible and allows us the
>>> ability to manage users from several perspectives, but again, it's about
>>> weighing the cost benefits of the yearly license fee. I am definitely
>>> leaning toward the Unifi and will most likely pull the trigger on those
>>> today. Thanks for the info on the Unifi router as well, I'll add that to my
>>> purchase.
>>>
>>> Jeran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:06:51 PM UTC-7, Alex Hillman wrote:

 I don't have much to say about Meraki other than that I was
 underwhelmed by the hardware during the test run we did. Obviously, based
 on other people's experience, your milage may vary! Wifi is complex, and
 performance depends on lots of things..from density of the walls/floors to
 the number of other wifi networks in your proximity and how well/poorly
 they're configured.

 In terms of Unifi, you want the UAP Pro access points. The basic ones
 are single band, are slower, have much worse range and capacity. We
 currently put a couple on our network to see if they could help improve
 some of our weaker areas but most devices would "prefer" to connect t the
 dual band Pro access points.

 You def want to run the controller software, it makes a huge
 difference.

 One more thing - I've been meaning to post here but we recently
 upgraded to Unifi's EdgeRouter Lite
 
  and
 it's AMAZING. It's incredibly fast, even when our network has a few hundred
 devices on it. I honestly cannot believe it's less than $100. It's a little
 complicated to get up and running, but worth the effort!

 -Alex


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 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Jeran Fraser  wrote:

> Thank you all, especially Alex for all the helpful info on just about
> every aspect of putting a cowork space together.
>
> I have read several threads about Unifi and also some that chose
> Meraki. It sounds like the overwhelming majority agree that Unifi is the
> best solution from a cost perspective. I would love to hear what some
> people think about Meraki, as GCUC had several people raving about the
> product, but licensing fees seem to price out a majority of spaces.
>
> Also, with Unifi what is the primary difference between the basic
> Unifi and the Unifi Pro system. The basic is around $80/unit with Pro
> closer to $200. Thanks again to all of you for your help. This board has
> been extremely educational for me over the last 12 months and although I
> rarely communicate, I definitely appreciate all the helpful information!
>
> Jeran
>
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