RE: X server hangs on startup
Link for installing previous versions of ZoneAlarm: http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/zap/zapMain.jsp Click on the General FAQs link; interesting info there about problems, along with links to install 4.5 4.5 Pro. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edwin Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X server hangs on startup Ken Dibble kdibbleNOSPAM at alltel.net writes: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2004-07/msg00192.html http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2004-07/msg00181.html http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2004-07/msg00161.html http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2004-07/msg00158.html http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2004-07/msg00150.html Edwin Goei wrote: When I run xinit.exe, the X server starts but hangs. I saw a thread that attributed this to Zonealarm which I am also using (version 5.1.011.000). I never saw a resolution to the problem. Is the workaround to use a different firewall program? If so, what firewall should I use? Thanks for the refs. I'm using ZoneAlarm Pro 5 now, anyone know how to get the older version 4.5? I can't find it on the zonelabs.com site. I also want to be protected by a personal firewall. BTW, is anyone working on a workaround/fix? Apparently other firewalls like Norton also cause problems with the X server. -Edwin
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Well, as a last attempt at trying to figure out why startx/ssh was blue-screening my XP box, I tried something that was mentioned on this list, for different reasons: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro 5. Bingo. No blue screen. Everything works fine. Have not installed Zone Alarm v4.x yet, to see if it is specific to version 5, but I can say that I have successfully used cygwin while running ZAP 4.x. So, something's up with version 5.x of Zonealarm... Just thought I'd post these findings, in case others might be having similar problems. Steve
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Igor, See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-ssh-no-x11forwarding. Had already seen tried it; still got blue screens. Thanks, though. Steve
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Igor, Yea, I figured that those messages had nothing to do with my BSODs, but it can't help to mention little details like that. Could eventually lead to a solution. As for the last part of the BSOD stuff, I can appreciate the technicality that it isn't cygwin causing the BSOD. But the practicality is that cygwin is the only (well, for now, anyway) software for me that can consistently produce the BSOD, and this renders the software unusable for me. As a developer, I understand the situation. As a user, I'm trying to get ideas on what might be causing the problem. Hoping that someone else has seen something similar, and has suggestions. 'It's not cygwin's fault' just doesn't help. Anyone who's been on the wrong side of a BSOD understands :) Thanks for the recommendation about ssh -Y... Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Igor Pechtchanski Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen? On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote: Igor, See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-ssh-no-x11forwarding. Had already seen tried it; still got blue screens. Thanks, though. Steve Steve, That link had nothing to do with the BSODs. It was for your bad window error messages, which I doubt are related to the BSODs. FWIW, read the last part of http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#BSOD. ;-) Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
RE: Looking for help
on cygwin machine, try: - start bash shell - ssh -X -l username remote.machine (though look at the posts about ssh -Y...) - on remote machine, once logged in via ssh, do something like: - startkde -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ronald Clark Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking for help Hello all, I am looking for a doc that will hopefully explain how to setup Cygwin to allow me to SSH to a system and run startx and have the X Window environment be routed through the tunnel. Is there such a document? Right now, I have Cygwin loaded with SSH and when I log into my remote system and type SSH, I see the X server start on the remote machine, and no X Windows in my Cygwin session. I assume this is a common issue and any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron Clark CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this ELECTRONIC MAIL transmission is confidential. It may also be privileged work product or proprietary information. This information is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution [other than to the addressee(s)], copying or taking of any action because of this information is strictly prohibited.
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system it self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger this. But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed. Well, I've tried upgrading the video drivers as well as the network drivers. Still get the blue screens. So, suspecting my wired network card drivers, i then used my wireless network card. Same. Blue Screen. The only other thing that I can think of was brought up in other posts - I have Zone Alarm 5 and Norton Antivirus 2004 Pro running. Anybody else out there getting XP blue screens with cygwin when running ZAP and/or NAV? I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated before and which is not current yet. I suspected as much, too, except that I've exahusted (I think) those possibilities. I'm fully updated as far as Windows Update is concerned; and, I pulled down the latest video network drivers from the respective companies. You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the network layer. The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace. But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints the bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing the data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk buffers unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the actual crash happens. All of this is unfortunate; even if, technically, it's Windows that has the problem, the net result is that I can't use cygwin, unless I can figure out what is causing the problem, and take action to correct it Steve
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Forgot to mention that before the bluescreens, I saw (but couldn't capture accurately) errors of the form: x error bad window invalid window parameter (and alternately 3 and 5 on the end of these types of messages). Not sure if that is relevant, but I did see them. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Listopad, Steve Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:39 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen? A bluescreen is an error inside the windows kernel. Either the base system it self or some drivers (i suspect the second). Software can only trigger this. But there have been only minor changes in Cygwin/X and I doubt they could lead to a bluescreen since no hardware access has changed. Well, I've tried upgrading the video drivers as well as the network drivers. Still get the blue screens. So, suspecting my wired network card drivers, i then used my wireless network card. Same. Blue Screen. The only other thing that I can think of was brought up in other posts - I have Zone Alarm 5 and Norton Antivirus 2004 Pro running. Anybody else out there getting XP blue screens with cygwin when running ZAP and/or NAV? I believe the difference with your system is some driver which was updated before and which is not current yet. I suspected as much, too, except that I've exahusted (I think) those possibilities. I'm fully updated as far as Windows Update is concerned; and, I pulled down the latest video network drivers from the respective companies. You could build XWin with debugging output. This prints received windows messages, some work in windows specific functions is traced but not the network layer. The low level unix calls (for network code) can be trace with strace. But this will not produce useful output if the kernel goes wild and prints the bluescreen right after the data was written to the screen. Maybe writing the data to harddisk may help but I think the bluescreen will leave disk buffers unwritten and you'll get a logfile which truncated a long time before the actual crash happens. All of this is unfortunate; even if, technically, it's Windows that has the problem, the net result is that I can't use cygwin, unless I can figure out what is causing the problem, and take action to correct it Steve
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Nope, the network card is built-in; no pcmcia. I didn't check the chipset, but I can say that a previous version of cygwin worked just fine with X. The only reason why I upgraded cygwin was because I had to reformat/reinstall XP because Roxio Media Creator wreaked havoc. But that's another story, and I didn't reinstall the Roxio software. So, I am not sure what could be causing the issue. Are there any debuggin suggestions? Somehow turn on logging to see at what point a failure occurs? Or, do some kind of XP debugging (though the event viewer log doesn't give me any information that helped...). Still trying, Steve On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Listopad, Steve wrote: Alexander Daniel, This is a response to both of your suggestions and questions (about the engine being used, and video card information). NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600 Driver Provider: NVIDIA Driver Date: 2/3/2004 Version: 5.4.0.1 Note: This version provided via Windows Update via IE, though it says the driver was provided by NVIDIA. Test Script: - start cygwin shell - startx - ssh -X -l user a.linux.box - startkde Does the notebook have a pcmcia network card? Maybe you can try XWin without having the network drivers active. some wlan drivers (esp rtl chipset) are known to be very unstable. bye
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Alexander Daniel, This is a response to both of your suggestions and questions (about the engine being used, and video card information). NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5600 Driver Provider: NVIDIA Driver Date: 2/3/2004 Version: 5.4.0.1 Note: This version provided via Windows Update via IE, though it says the driver was provided by NVIDIA. Test Script: - start cygwin shell - startx - ssh -X -l user a.linux.box - startkde Result of test with above parameters: blue screen during KDE splash screen. Result of above test with above parameters, using various engines: - startx -- -engine 1 - startx -- -engine 2 - startx -- -engine 4 - startx -- -engine 8 All blue screens, during various phases of the KDE splash screen. Next, I loaded the drivers from nvidia.com; interestingly, the version provided is: 6/24/2003 4.4.8.2 Results: The same. blue screen Next, I tried drivers at the hp site (it's a zd7000 notebook). 11/18/2003 4.5.1.1 Results: The same. blue screen 12/10/2003 4.7.1.2 Results: The same. blue screen Next, I took a guess that my screen resolution might be an issue, at 1440x900. So, I tried 1024x768. Same results. Blue Screen. So, no luck yet. Any suggestions for further debugging and/or logging? If there's a readme for that, could you point me in the right direction? Other ideas: - Daniel (I think) suggested checking network card drivers; haven't done that yet. - another post suggests possible ZoneAlarm issues. I am running that, but haven't tested turning it off. - others? Stumped! Steve
startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Using latest cywin, downloaded/installed 07/13/2004. Can reproduce an XP blue screen, by starting a cygwin shell, and typing 'startx'. Scenario 1: New terminal appears. after a little bit of time, the machine will blue screen/reboot. Scenario 2: after startx brings up window, use ssh -X -l username to.some.linux.box; run startkde, and blue screen/reboot occurs. Can reproduce this behavior. Have the latest drivers for my video card. Not sure how to start debugging/narrowing down what might be causing this. Any suggestions? Any known issues relating to this that I'm missing? Searched archives, but haven't seen anything specific to my situation (at least not yet!). Thanks, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
[This may be a duplicate; submitted the question before the subscription request; if it is, I apologize] I'm using latest cywin, downloaded/installed 07/13/2004. I can reproduce an XP blue screen, by starting a cygwin shell, and typing 'startx'. Scenario 1: New terminal appears. after a little bit of time, the machine will blue screen/reboot. Scenario 2: after startx brings up window, use ssh -X -l username to.some.linux.box; run startkde, and blue screen/reboot occurs. Can reproduce this behavior. Have the latest drivers for my video card. Not sure how to start debugging/narrowing down what might be causing this. Any suggestions? Any known issues relating to this that I'm missing? Searched archives, but haven't seen anything specific to my situation (at least not yet!). Thanks, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Daniel, Will have to check on the brand of the video card; it's a laptop, and since I didn't piece it together, I can't remember off the top of my head. It's a GeForce 5600 go blah blah something-or-other (i.e. I'm at work, and can't look it up :) ). Wasn't aware of current ATI problems, but then again, I haven't bought an ATI in a long time... Now, as for whether the driver is provided by Microsoft or the vendor, I can't say. I'd assume that I can look that up in Control Panel - System, and once I look up the specific vendor, maybe downloading the vendor's driver (if different from the one loaded) will help. I appreciate the suggestion of vendor vs. MS drivers, though. I looked up the version of the driver on my system, and then looked up the version on the HP (it's an HP Pavilion zd7000 laptop). The driver on my machine is newer than the driver on the HP Support site, but I have to admit that I didn't notice the source of the driver. A little homework and research is in order. If I'm lucky, updating the driver will fix the problem. Driver issues were what I was thinking might be wrong, too , but who knows. Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Armbrust, Daniel C. Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen? Two questions - is it an ATI video card? And when you say newest drivers - is that the newest drivers from Microsoft, or the newest drivers direct from your vendor? Or maybe media center edition doesn't let you install any drivers unless they are Microsoft approved? In my experience, windows provided drivers are quite outdated - and in the case of ATI - their drivers in the past have not been worth 2 cents. I was happy when they finally released a build of the drivers that didn't bluescreen my machine once a day
RE: startx causing XP (Media Center Edition) blue screen?
Alexander, SNIP This is the first report of a blue screen since a long time. Leave it to me to find a way to blue-screen Windows :) SNIP maybe the network driver is the cause. Not sure, but to be honest, I wasn't thinking in that direction, so I appreciate the suggestion. I can check on that this evening... SNIP you can change the way how XWin draws to the screen. try startx -- -engine 1 startx -- -engine 2 startx -- -engine 4 startx -- -engine 8 does any of these modes work? Will give these a try tonight (it's my home PC, not work), and report back tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to give me suggestions. I appreciate it. Steve
