Re: Question about XP support
On May 29 15:01, Thomas Wolff wrote: > Am 25.05.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Corinna Vinschen: > > On May 25 09:56, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen > > > wrote: > > > > On May 24 20:38, Herbert Stocker wrote: > > > > > On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > > > > > > I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. > > > > > No, has not yet been removed. > > > > > And i'm sooo happy about this. > > > > Uh oh, bad timing... > > > > > > > > The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. > > > > It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require > > > > functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the > > > > existing applications yet. > > > > > > > > But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. > > > Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot > > > of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can > > > use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' > > > from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? > > The XP-breaking release will certainly be a major release. I doubt it's > > called 3.0, though. 2.6 is more likely. > May I propose 2.7, to suggest "needs Windows 7"? And 2.siX would be the > last to support Xp, to have some memorable acoustic connotation...:) Nice idea, but... Windows 2003 and 64 bit XP is kernel 5.2 and Vista (still supported afterwards) is the first 6er kernel. 2.5.2 -> 2.6 sounds good to me ;) Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Question about XP support
Am 25.05.2016 um 16:54 schrieb Corinna Vinschen: On May 25 09:56, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On May 24 20:38, Herbert Stocker wrote: On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. No, has not yet been removed. And i'm sooo happy about this. Uh oh, bad timing... The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the existing applications yet. But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? The XP-breaking release will certainly be a major release. I doubt it's called 3.0, though. 2.6 is more likely. May I propose 2.7, to suggest "needs Windows 7"? And 2.siX would be the last to support Xp, to have some memorable acoustic connotation...:) Thomas --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > 2.6, probably. This is much more than you got back in the days when > we dropped support for 9x, NT4, W2K ;) I'll be happy with that :) -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On May 25 10:22, Erik Soderquist wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > > Uh oh, bad timing... > > > > > > The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. > > > It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require > > > functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the > > > existing applications yet. > > > > > > But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. > > > > Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot > > of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can > > use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' > > from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? > > I like this idea. I too have some isolated XP VM stations (mine > deliberately have zero network connection; "defender updates" do NOT > close security holes) that I currently plan to continue using until > I've learned enough programming myself to rewrite the windows only > utilities I have running in these stations. A version change from > from 2.x to 3.x at the official end of XP support would make it a very > clean marker. 2.6, probably. This is much more than you got back in the days when we dropped support for 9x, NT4, W2K ;) Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Question about XP support
On May 25 09:56, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > On May 24 20:38, Herbert Stocker wrote: > >> On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > >> > I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. > >> > >> No, has not yet been removed. > >> And i'm sooo happy about this. > > > > Uh oh, bad timing... > > > > The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. > > It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require > > functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the > > existing applications yet. > > > > But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. > > Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot > of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can > use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' > from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? The XP-breaking release will certainly be a major release. I doubt it's called 3.0, though. 2.6 is more likely. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Question about XP support
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > Uh oh, bad timing... > > > > The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. > > It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require > > functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the > > existing applications yet. > > > > But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. > > Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot > of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can > use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' > from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? I like this idea. I too have some isolated XP VM stations (mine deliberately have zero network connection; "defender updates" do NOT close security holes) that I currently plan to continue using until I've learned enough programming myself to rewrite the windows only utilities I have running in these stations. A version change from from 2.x to 3.x at the official end of XP support would make it a very clean marker. -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On 25 May 2016 at 06:07, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On May 24 20:38, Herbert Stocker wrote: >> On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >> > I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. >> >> No, has not yet been removed. >> And i'm sooo happy about this. > > Uh oh, bad timing... > > The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. > It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require > functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the > existing applications yet. > > But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. Would this be something to move to 3.x because there seems to be a lot of people who come onto the list a lot. That way they know they can use 2.5.1 and that is the last 'stable' release they need to 'fork' from as say Cygnus-XP1 to keep going? > > Corinna > > -- > Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to > Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com > Red Hat -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On May 24 20:38, Herbert Stocker wrote: > On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > > I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. > > No, has not yet been removed. > And i'm sooo happy about this. Uh oh, bad timing... The next release 2.5.2 introduces the first non-XP compatible code. It's in a seldom used corner of the code and it doesn't require functions unavailable on XP, so it will very likely not break 99% of the existing applications yet. But the next release after will very likely break XP support entirely. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Question about XP support
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Erik Soderquist wrote: > There has been notice that XP support will be dropped at some point in > the future, but as far as I know, that point has not been reached. Thanks to those who replied. This will make it easier for me to fix what I broke. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On 24.05.2016 18:44, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. No, has not yet been removed. And i'm sooo happy about this. Cause i'm still using XP for my work. Deliberately. Why? Because it's so lightweight in a virtual machine. Give it only a few hundred Megabytes of RAM and it runs. And for those who say XP is insecure because it doesn't receive updates anymore: If i run a virus scan on my XP (using GData) it does NOT find anything. And BTW, Microsoft still sends me a Defender update every month via automatic updates. my 2 cents, Herbert Stocker -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: >> I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. >> Yet the Cygwin home page says: >> >> https://cygwin.com/ >> >> "The Cygwin DLL currently works with all recent, commercially >> released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, starting with >> Windows XP SP3." > > There has been notice that XP support will be dropped at some point in > the future, but as far as I know, that point has not been reached. > > As I understood the conversation, XP support will be dropped when the > coding work for a new fix/feature/package is more than the coding work > to simply drop XP support. There is also the "cygwin time machine" available http://www.fruitbat.org/Cygwin/index.html#cygwintimemachine -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Question about XP support
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: > I thought that support for Windows XP had been removed from Cygwin. > Yet the Cygwin home page says: > > https://cygwin.com/ > > "The Cygwin DLL currently works with all recent, commercially > released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, starting with > Windows XP SP3." There has been notice that XP support will be dropped at some point in the future, but as far as I know, that point has not been reached. As I understood the conversation, XP support will be dropped when the coding work for a new fix/feature/package is more than the coding work to simply drop XP support. -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple