The US mis-election - an oportunity for e-voting..
At 11:17 PM -0500 12/10/00, Robert Guerra wrote: In article 001c01c062e0$5db95fc0$0100a8c0@golem, "Me" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont see why any of these methods are inherently better/safer/more accurate than those used in florida. Counting a "X"'s I would think is easier than counting chads on punch card ballots Clue 1: Hollerith cards are not intended to be read by humans. Clue 2: The first computer count, the second computer count, and in some cases, the third computer count, gave substantially identical results. Clue 3: One party, seeing it was approximately 500-1000 votes behind the other party, initiated a series of diversionary measures, including folderol about butterflies and confused Jews. The diversion lasted long enough for planeloads of New York shysters to arrive. Then the focus shifted to "the will of the people must be listened to." Clue 4: Hollerith cards in banks and corporations around the world are _still _ not read by human eyeballs. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Re: US: Democracy or Republic?
At 1:32 AM -0500 12/11/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 05:12:23PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: Quite. And the specter of the Florida legislature selecting a new set of electors are providing one of the best civics educations citizens young and old have had this century. Its really quite healthy to have the myth of democracy we were all taught in grade school laid bare by the reality of a conservative and plain reading of the Constitution by some of the best and brightest. Heh. For every Democrat (and perhaps some Republicans) who goes on TV and proudly proclaims this perpetual election as a good thing because it buttresses our civics knowledge, I want to ask: Why don't we encourage the president, say, to commit a felony? The subsequent prosecution and conviction would be fascinating to observe and would *really* educate America's children. Yes, the treatment Bill received after raping Juanita Brodderick was indeed instructive. As was the punishment he received for lying under oath, suborning perjury, tampering with evidence, and (very probably) having witnesses in his scandals killed. (While not _all_ of the several dozen people on the Bill Hit List were victims of foul play, I expect many were. And about 10 standard deviations' worth of deaths as compared to the expected number around other men of similar age --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Re: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand
"Sean R. Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm, Mutt *does* sent the message body as text/plain, and the content-type of the entire message is multipart/signed. Not sure what you're talking about here. The content-type of the signature is application/pgp-signature, which should just be ignored by MUAs that don't understand RFC2015. That's assuming they recognize multipart/signed as containing parts that can be displayed. The entire problem is that Eudora et al. do not---multipart/signed is unrecognized, so the entire message is treated as unopenable and displayed as an attachment. And I hope they never add your patch, because people who use broken MUAs need to suffer, because they're not playing nice with the rest of us. I hope you don't mean this. I don't think there is a Windows MUA that supports RFC2015 at all---are you saying that all Windows users need to suffer? I don't like Windows, but lots of people just can't or don't want to handle anything else. And speaking of not playing nicely, what do you call "...people who use broken MUAs need to suffer..." ? Thanks, but no thanks, I will *not* break my own MUA to help other people continue using their own broken MUAs. The Internet is based on standards, and it's been too long that we've been suffering for those who break the standards. Witness, for instance, all the pipes that are clogged with traffic from Windows boxes because they fast start too fast due to their broken implementations of PGP. I am *sick* and *tired* of people telling me that I'm somehow sending my messages as attachments when their content-disposition is inline making them *not* attachments and the accusors obviously don't have the first clue about MIME works. Sorry, I'm just tired, and I want this crap to end. Tim May seems to think you "acknowledged that we were sending our messages as attachments" and now considers that carte blanche to filter out RFC2015 messages. He can do what he likes, but I am upset that he somehow now feels morally justified doing that due to your harmless little hack. The Internet is based on _suggested_ standards such as RFC2015 (note its disposition---it's not an official standard). No one is forced to comply with them, and those who wish to communicate effectively do their best to use their software in such a way as to be able to do so. It is obvious that you have no wish for the majority of people to be able to read your mail, as you refuse to acknowledge that your messages are not in a format that people support. You hide behind RFC2015, saying "look, I'm following the standard. I must be right." The fact is, there's no "right." It comes down to what you're trying to accomplish. If you're interested in pissing people off and being ignored, then you're doing OK. Otherwise, you might consider backing down on this one. The only thing you're going to acheive is an inability to communicate with the majority of internet users. -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2/A 2002 5105
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Re: Questions of size...
At 9:48 PM + on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Questions of size...
At 5:56 PM -0500 12/11/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 9:48 PM + on 12/11/00, Ben Laurie wrote: Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" Thank you. It works in all dimensions, and, thus it's topological, right? Topology is typically not concerned with distance metrics. Doughnuts and coffee cups and all. Geometry is what you're thinking of, presumably. Not as sexy as saying something is "a topologically-invariant geodesic fractally-cleared auction space," but that's what happens when buzzwords are used carelessly. By the way, one topological aspect of a geodesic dome, to go back to that, is that each node is surrounded by some number of neighbors. Applied to a "geodesic economy," this image/metaphor would strongly suggest that economic agents are trading with their neighbors, who then trade with other neighbors, and so on. Tribes deep in the Amazon, who deal only with their neighbors, are then the canonical "geodesic economy." This is precisely the _opposite_ of the mulitiply-connected trading situation which modern systems make possible. So, aside from the cuteness of suggesting a connection with geodesic domes, with buckybits as the currency perhaps?, this all creates confusion rather than clarity. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Yet Another Survey: Americans have become privacy pragmatists
[Originally sent to politech at politechbot.com. --DBM] --- [I believe Americans care a lot about privacy invasions _when they don't have a choice_ -- such as cops sniffing your house for illegal drugs with airborne drones or Thermovision 210s. But when Americans _get to choose_ whether to give up their privacy in exchange for something of value, they often do. Just look at Safeway discount cards (and, in DC, Fresh Fields discount cards). Obviously not all choices -- health insurance comes to mind -- are as clear. But I don't think Americans will pay a lot extra to protect their privacy. How many Internet consumer-privacy firms have succeeded? --Declan] *** From: Sonia Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: another privacy survey Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:41:15 -0800 "Ranks of Privacy 'Pragmatists' Are Growing" Most Americans support the dissemination of data contained in public records, but they also say that there must be a legitimate legal or social reason for the extraction of this data, according to a recent survey conducted by Privacy and American Business and ORC International. As long as the information is not abused, most Americans support the use of personal data on the Internet for commercial purposes. This support includes the use of home or work addresses by law enforcement, potential employers, or consumer credit companies. Those surveyed believe it is less acceptable to allow private investigators or ordinary citizens to access the information. The 1,000 people surveyed in the report also say that they object to the government posting personally identifiable public information on the Internet unless there are safeguards. These safeguards include the government requiring the consent of the individual before personal information is displayed on public record, and requesting a specific purpose for such information to be displayed on the Internet. Privacy and American Business President Alan Westin says that more Americans now fall into the category of "privacy pragmatist" rather than "privacy fundamentalist." Ron Plesser of Piper Marbury Rudnick Wolf says that the Internet industry must determine how to properly use Social Security numbers. "Regulating the purchase and sale of Social Security numbers over the Internet won't come overnight," Plesser says. http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2000-2/1211m.html#item6
Anarchism vs. Right-Wing 'Anti-Statism'
http://www.ainfos.ca/en/ainfos05508.html Looks like the Wobblies live... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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