Re: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
> a friend of mine was an officer in the german army until very recently > (he decided to get a real job :) ) - give me 24 hours and I'll tell you > exactly what the past and current standard issue weapons are and what > kind of ammo they fire. current weapon (after the G3) is the G36, obviously an advanced G3 version. I didn't have much time to chat about the subject today, so if anyone wants to know ammo types, more details, whatever - ask and I'll find out. -- -- http://www.lemuria.org -- http://www.Nexus-Project.net -- - End forwarded message - -- -- http://www.lemuria.org -- http://www.Nexus-Project.net --
Re: CDR: Re: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
As a general rule, mere possession of infringing material is not a crime. There are some exceptions, such as stealing the printouts of Tom Clancy's unpublished novel, but they are narrow and not that interesting and do not advance our understanding, even in Choatian sense, of the topic. --Declan At 04:57 PM 1/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > Oh, certainly there are such cases, such as if you're part of the > > infringement. But as a general rule, my point is valid, and I'd > > challenge Choate to provide a cite to the U.S. code that suggests > > otherwise. > >That suggests what is otherwise? > >Your claim was that possession of copyright infringed material wasn't a >crime. You made no (zero, none, nada, null) qualifications. In effect >simply possessing the item wasn't a crime. > >I demonstrated a counter example, that in the case of 'stripped' books >possession was in fact a crime. I also mentioned the .mp3 situation which >is another example where possession is in fact considered a crime. > >You just want to fight.
Re: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
At 12:54 PM -0500 1/10/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >[Jim sent me the below message directly without any indication that >it was also sent to the list. But from past experience, I know >better. Another example of not-quite-adequate Choatian social norms.] > >Anyway, Jim is conflating physical control over an instantiation of >IP with the rights conferred by IP law. If someone copies Microsoft >Word (or a Tom Clancy novel) onto a CDROM and gives it to me, I am >not liable. > >-Declan > > >At 11:36 AM 1/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >> > (Hint: U.S. copyright law does not make mere possession or archiving >>> an offense. Try distribution, performance, etc.) >> >>Hint: WRONG. >> >>Simply possessing a paperback book that has had its cover removed as a >>sign of 'destroyed' status is in fact a crime. Used book stores that have >>them in stock can be charged accordingly. So, if I tear the cover off of a paperback book that I legally own (bought, for example), Choate's claim is that this "is in fact a crime"? Gee, so much for scienter. So much for proof of actual criminal action. So much for tort law. Jim, please call the police, as I have just torn the cover off of a book I own. Worse, I just cut the tags off of a mattress. Call before I commit more crimes. Fucking retard. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
