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Re: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
On Sun, 26 May 2002, John Young wrote: Thomas Friedman in the New York Times today: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/opinion/26FRIE.html Webbed, Wired and Worried, May 26, 2002 [...] Silicon Valley staunchly opposed the Clipper Chip, which would have given the government a back-door key to all U.S. encrypted data. Now some wonder whether they shouldn't have opposed it. John Doerr, the venture capitalist, said, Culturally, the Valley was already maturing before 9/11, but since then it's definitely developed a deeper respect for leaders and government institutions. Great propaganda! Nice to know the press still has the will to force words into all our mouths. What a bunch of losers. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
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Re: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
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NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
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Re: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
On Sun, 26 May 2002, John Young wrote: Thomas Friedman in the New York Times today: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/opinion/26FRIE.html Webbed, Wired and Worried, May 26, 2002 [...] Silicon Valley staunchly opposed the Clipper Chip, which would have given the government a back-door key to all U.S. encrypted data. Now some wonder whether they shouldn't have opposed it. John Doerr, the venture capitalist, said, Culturally, the Valley was already maturing before 9/11, but since then it's definitely developed a deeper respect for leaders and government institutions. Great propaganda! Nice to know the press still has the will to force words into all our mouths. What a bunch of losers. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
Officials, and journalists, accustomed to handling civil unrest through police means, have to stretch to get their hands on national security threats, in particular what to do with military capabilities which are scaled for much greater threats than the police can handle. The military doesn't like civil affairs where a distinction has to be made between innocents and opponents, where a battle has to be fought while civil affairs continue. It blows whole areas away, hardly affected by collateral damage laments. Some military commentators have reported that th 9/11 losses are barely significant in military terms, but are a big hit for police-scale mentality, and even bigger for political mindsets which fear loss of face more than all else. Terrorism thrives by remaining less than a military-scale threat but is becoming more than police, and police-minded officials and journalists like Friedman can handle can handle. A nuke on DC or NYC could lead all of them to grow up, a favorite theme of the Times these days about Silicon Valley. The Times some months ago, by way of Jeffifer Lee, reported on the fervor with with which high-tech firms are racing to capitalize on the requirements for homeland security and the rise in military actions, redefining product lines, digging out civilian ideas for re-uniforming in national security dress. Perhaps that is what Friedman is doing, scaling up the picayune Palestinian dust-up to a global affair, as he has tried futilely to do for years but failing due to the required emphasis on its Jewish attribute for the New York City readership yet paying the price of indifference elsewhere. Friedman regularly these days predicts a series of suicide bombings in New York City, and as a sidebar elsewhere in the US. That police scale he is good at, but the military scale of widespread carnage appears beyond his comprehension -- in the spirit of the once-isolated and comfortably insulated USA. The problem with dismissing the drumbeat of terrorist alarms is that the guardians could well let a few attacks happen to show the citizenry the neeed to show respect for government. This is not to suggest that 9/11 was such an attention-getting operation but it certainly has fulfilled the dreams of those who warned about it and are now reaping its benefits -- gov, mil, com and edu.
RE: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
Tim wrote: On Sunday, May 26, 2002, at 10:07 AM, John Young wrote: Thomas Friedman in the New York Times today: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/26/opinion/26FRIE.html Webbed, Wired and Worried, May 26, 2002 pose these questions to techies. I found at least some of their libertarian, technology-will-solve-everything cockiness was gone. I found a much keener awareness that the unique web of technologies Silicon Valley was building before 9/11 -- from the Internet to powerful encryption software -- can be incredible force multipliers for individuals and small groups to do both good and evil. Well, duh. As an analyst of high tech, Friedman is a pretty good analyst of the Arab-Israeli conflict. His conclusions about the views of Silicon Valley are facile and simplistic. I didn't really interpret Friedman's article to indicate that he himself has so much come to see technology in a different light following 9/11, but rather that he noticed that many in the Valley have begun to see technology in a different light, being now more receptive and susceptible to governmental suggestions to consider including the Big Brother Inside. In as far as Friedman's post is reporting on a change in the mindset of the technology providers, his article might be represent more of a statement of fact than an opinion. Just a thought, --Lucky
Re: NYT: Techies Now Respect Government
What really changed in the Valley is that the best are gone. There is always a very small number of real contributors, I'd say one in several hundreds, that shape the whole environment and dictate the overall mood. This was best seen in Xerox PARC, where sleazy Gilman Louie was selling fatherland defense on May 16, with mannerism and vocabulary of a polished used car salesman. He was preaching to an auditorium packed with white middle managers and young aspiring nobodies, extracting applause and laughs at all the right places. No one threw up, and at the end he even didn't have to say MEIN GOTT I CAN WALK !! It was implied. He said, after describing his enlightment that working for CIA is good after all, in the best tradition of government commercials from 50-ties, that VCs were always patriotic. He also said that they received 500 business plans in few weeks after demolition of WTC, and that government needs better tools to track arab student pilots. This is the new silicon valley, future grounds of the Homeland Security Industries, where thousands of engineers will proudly churn out surveillance products, dissent-detecting chips and network tapping devices.
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It is strange that crypto was a lot more popular back when cryptography export was heavily controlled. Many people fought for their crypto rights, but cannot be bothered with encrypted e-mail. It is similar to securing the right to vote and then declining to do so. Lucky indicates that strong crypto has gone under the hood and is now mainstream and ubiquitous. This is not true. There are countless e-mail and instant messages sent as plaintext across networks, through wireless, and over the Internet. Also under-the-hood is a risky place for crypto. It may be patched or upgraded right out of your system. Or perhaps improved to 40-bit for optimum performance. Stand alone cryptography is best. I enjoy sealing my personal letters in an envelope. I am uncomfortable entrusting that process to a third-party, or to the mailman. I am similarly uncomfortable entrusting e-mail encryption to an embedded system and cached authentication systems. Curt --- Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may be asking yourself: where, oh where, has all the crypto gone? Where are the BlackNet's? Where is the untraceable Ecash? Where is the Cryptanarchy that we've been waiting for? For that matter...where is the crypto? The staunchest Cypherpunk will by now have noticed that PGP/GPG usage even amongst list members, once the bellwether indicator of Cypherpunks crypto adoption success, is in decline. ...(segment elided) Where has the crypto gone? The crypto has gone under the hood, away from the UI, to a place where the crypto will be of most use to the average user. Yes, for crypto to be secure against the active, well resourced, attacker, the crypto must at one point touch the user to permit the user to make a trust decision. But to secure communications from passive and/or less resourced attacker, crypto can be placed under the hood. ...(segment elided) Where has all the crypto gone? It has gone mainstream. Some of you may remember the discussions from years ago how we should try to find a way to make crypto cool and attractive for the average person. ...(segment elided) Crypto has gone as mainstream as can be. While crypto for crypt's sake may not have become cool to everybody, crypto has become a Must Have for your average 14 year-old high school freshman girl. Crypto has become ubiquitous. = end Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
