Re: Trap guns, black baggers, and "Arlington Road"

2003-02-11 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:43:26 -0800, you wrote:
> -- how does a property owner "authenticate" a person or group claiming to be cops?
> Flashing a badge is not enough, as badges for hundreds of jurisdictions are for
> sale by mail order, gun shows, and probably lots of other shops. (For the
> uninitiated, these are _actual_ badges and/or nearly perfect replicas...they
> are absolutely undistinguishable from real badges, so say concerned cops.)

"Apart from constitutional considerations, no-knock laws are 
bad. If its people are to have a respect for law, a nation must 
have respectable laws, and no law is respectable if it 
authorizes officers to act like burglars, and robs the people of 
the only means they have for determining whether those who seek 
to invade their habitations violently or by stealth are officers 
or burglars."

United States Senator Sam Ervin of Watergate fame.




Re: Trap guns, black baggers, and "Arlington Road"

2003-02-10 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 12:00  PM, Eric Cordian wrote:


Tim writes:


With USAPATRIOT and HOMESEC REICHSPROTEKTION acts authorizing black 
bag
jobs, break-ins, planting of evidence, keystroke-logging,
administrative rubber-stamp warrants (no judge, just a GS-8 or higher
saying "Go for it!'), it's time to revisit the issue of trap guns and
booby traps.

Coincidentally, the news this morning reports on a home invasion in 
which
a homeowner shot dead two of three members of an assault team that 
smashed
into his condo and began firing.



I hadn't seen this when I sent my piece off.

By the way, this again points to some recurring themes (discussed a few 
times before):

-- how does a property owner "authenticate" a person or group claiming 
to be cops? Flashing a badge is not enough, as badges for hundreds of 
jurisdictions are for sale by mail order, gun shows, and probably lots 
of other shops. (For the uninitiated, these are _actual_ badges and/or 
nearly perfect replicas...they are absolutely undistinguishable from 
real badges, so say concerned cops.)

-- how is a search warrant authenticated? In an age of laser printers, 
color printers, scanners, etc., and in an age when nobody can recognize 
the signature of the Sheriff (unlike, maybe, the situation in a small 
villlage a century ago), how does one know a search warrant is duly 
signed by a proper judge?

Hundreds of viewings of police raids in movies and television (not 
always reliable, but the common pattern is suggestive of what reality 
is) tell me that residents have no time to check credentials of cops 
carefully and have scarcely more time to look at search warrants.

There seem to be three time regimes: (actually, I've added two more...)

* Regime 3 (timescale: days) -- Lawyerly: "Tim, this is Fred Jones. I 
just talked to the DA and he wants you to either arrange a time to turn 
yourself in at the station or he'll send a squad car out. I can be 
there if you want." Or the search warrant version: "Tim, I've looked 
over the search warrant they'll be serving on you and everything looks 
to be in order. Don't say anything, and don't interfere. Just sit down 
and they should be out in a couple of hours."

* Regime 2 (timescale: several minutes)  -- Local cops at the door. A 
knock on the door. A cop or sheriff's deputy, often known to the target 
in various ways, arrives with an arrest warrant, search warrant, etc. 
The target has a reasonable chance to verify that the cops or deputies 
are legit.

* Regime 1 (timescale: tens of seconds to minutes) -- Bangs on the 
door. "This is the police! Open up!" If the target opens the door and 
the supposed cops are actually home invaders, or rival gang members, 
he's dead. Or the supposed cops may be Feds or narcs without proper 
justification. No time to carefully verify credentials.

* Regime 0 (timescale: seconds, or less) -- Flashbangs and Ninja 
Raiders. They burst through the windows, throw flashbang grenades, 
scream, stomp dogs and cats, and shoot anything that moves. The killing 
of Dr. Scott in his Malibu home is a good example (check Google for 
details). The BATF raids on many "drug labs" are like this.

* Regime -1 (timescale: negative time) -- Break-ins: They raid your 
house without your knowledge. They plant items, bugs, keystroke 
loggers. Obviously no chance to check credentials, a warrant, etc.

Call me old-fashioned, but I think only Regimes 2 and 3 are valid for 
most arrests and search warrants. In cases of high risk, the 
old-fashioned "This is the police. Your house is surrounded. Come out 
with your hands up." is an example of Regime 1. A target inside has 
plenty of time (minutes usually) to decide that the cops are real cops 
(e.g., by seeing several police cruisers outside), and the cops have 
plenty of time to be ready for violence and not to just start shooting.

The argument in the past 30 years for S.W.A.T. Ninja-type flashbang 
through-the-skylights raids has been that some "perps" (or "goblins," 
in Jeff Cooper-speak) will use the seconds of warning to grab their 
rifles and shotguns. Or will flush their drugs down the toilet. Or will 
kill a hostage. Or will trigger a bomb. Etc.

There are very few situations where these last arguments apply. And 
these are usually well-defined hostage or kidnappee-rescue situations.

We would mostly avoid the Regime 0 and -1 clusterfuck scenarios if law 
enforcement was primarily local. A local cop who knows his neighborhood 
is not so likely to call in S.W.A.T. raiders when dealing with people 
he knows, or at least knows of.

A big part of our problems with police raids today has been the entry 
of other jurisdictions--state troopers, DEA narcs, FBI, and, soon, 
HomeSec/Gestapo polizei.

Anyway, this is my analysis. Fairly obvious to most of us, I expect.

--Tim May



Re: Trap guns, black baggers, and "Arlington Road"

2003-02-10 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim writes:

> With USAPATRIOT and HOMESEC REICHSPROTEKTION acts authorizing black bag 
> jobs, break-ins, planting of evidence, keystroke-logging, 
> administrative rubber-stamp warrants (no judge, just a GS-8 or higher 
> saying "Go for it!'), it's time to revisit the issue of trap guns and 
> booby traps.

Coincidentally, the news this morning reports on a home invasion in which
a homeowner shot dead two of three members of an assault team that smashed
into his condo and began firing.

Details on the identities of the perps are being withheld from the news
media pending further "investigation."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/states/texas/5021327.htm

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Resident kills 2 condo intruders
By Bill Miller
Star-Telegram Dallas Bureau

DALLAS - Gunfire erupted early Thursday morning when three men armed with
pistols burst into a north Dallas condominium. Two of the intruders died
when a resident returned fire, police said.

Details were sketchy Thursday as Dallas homicide detectives investigated
the shooting at the Kensington Square Apartments in the 15800 block of
Knoll Trail Drive, just east of the North Dallas Tollway.

Detectives said they were not yet ready to release the names of the people
involved, only that the incident began around 9 a.m. in a condo that was
occupied by the 29-year-old man, his wife and their three children.

...

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
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"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"