Re: Where is the kernel?
On Tuesday 06 Jan 2009, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. But it would certainly be a good argument to use in a letter to your elected representative, requesting a new law which would oblige hardware manufacturers to disclose driver Source Code. In any case, the temporary (until legislation forced their availability) lack of 3D accelerated video card drivers would be only a minor hardship. A cause worth fighting for is worth suffering for -- or have we forgotten that already? -- AJS delta echo bravo six four at earthshod dot co dot uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? Not sure about amd64, but there is a patch available for Nvidia 177.80 which makes it compile under x86 and 2.6.28. FWIW, here is uname from my machine : Linux brahman 2.6.28-mas #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 25 12:15:31 IST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux Regards, -- Sridhar M.A. GPG KeyID : F6A35935 Fingerprint: D172 22C4 7CDC D9CD 62B5 55C1 2A69 D5D8 F6A3 5935 I can't understand it. I can't even understand the people who can understand it. -- Queen Juliana of the Netherlands. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:07:28PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. Well true, that it would. I guess we would have to fix that if we did go to 2.6.27. Not as if we didn't have to fix it for 2.6.26 when that came in. The latest nvidia update got rid of the sse support is required problem so it would be nice for some older PCs to go to that one anyhow, although I think any machine without sse is running an old enough card that the 9x.xx driver series is fine, so it hasn't been a huge problem, just slightly annoying. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? Well given the kernel isn't in unstable, it didn't seem like a problem in need of a fix yet. Now given I was thinking of going to 2.6.27 or 28 to try and fix my webcam and I want my nvidia card to stay working, it may just have become an issue for me so I guess I should go work on the next version and see when Randall wants to do something with it. What's the deal, anyway? The nVidia blob installer tries to make like it can't find the kernel headers, nor the compiled output. I guess we could consider packaging up the 180.x driver in experimental or something. It is a beta driver though and generally those have not been packaged up. Usually we just patch the driver to work with newer kernels when needed. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, A J Stiles de...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 06 Jan 2009, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. But it would certainly be a good argument to use in a letter to your elected representative, requesting a new law which would oblige hardware manufacturers to disclose driver Source Code. Yes it would, but it would probably do little good considering the current views of my elected representation towards intellectual property. Both of my Senators and my Representative in the US House of Representatives are staunch supporters of everything that makes life in the digital realm anti-social. From the draconian DMCA to Orphan Works, they support it. In any case, the temporary (until legislation forced their availability) lack of 3D accelerated video card drivers would be only a minor hardship. A cause worth fighting for is worth suffering for -- or have we forgotten that already? Unfortunately, I can't afford to be without a 3D desktop so that is not an option for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, I'm sorry, but that's not the case: Debian is *only* main, non-free is a commodity place we provide for our users, it's not that something broked in non-free would stop the release to happen. That is good to say, but in practice is not really the case, especially with wireless firmware in non-free :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Where is the kernel?
On 01/06/09 17:14, Robert Isaac wrote: [snip] Unfortunately, I can't afford to be without a 3D desktop so that is not an option for me. I'm sure you have a valid reason, but it does seem rather odd that you can't live without what many consider as eye candy. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
