Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-16 Thread Lucas de Sousa

On that scenario does not seem a unreasonable action to delete it without 
looking. It just 15 minutes to take it back.
I would take more time google'ing it, than reinstaling it. 

But you missed my point. 

Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the 
right place for it. It does not match the FHS, and it is a bit weird.

I understand that there only a few places to it.

I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
But this is for the policy guys to begin long flames about.

Em Seg 14 Fev 2005 11:14, Tollef Fog Heen escreveu:
 * Peter Samuelson

 | [Tollef Fog Heen]
 |
 |  Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
 |
 | Why do people keep circulating this saying?  It makes no sense.
 | Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
 | who did the assuming, i.e. me, not u and me.  And even then, it's
 | not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
 | so at best even that part is only sometimes true.

 It's assuming without actually checking first.  «This looks like junk,
 so I'll just rm -rf it» rather than «this looks like junk -- uhm.
 *think*.  google around a bit and then removing it the right way.»

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
  'rm' is not a proper tool for file removal?

 Rules to live by:
   Look before you leap.
   Measure twice, cut once.
   Google it!

This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are experts.

:)

And even to experts...
If I have not readed this here 
I would look at it.
And promptly removed it.
(rm -Rf style, yes)
Assuming that is unclean installation junk.


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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-12 Thread Lucas de Sousa
   Rules to live by:
 Look before you leap.
 Measure twice, cut once.
 Google it!
 
  This is a very good set of rules if all of our intendend users are
  experts.

 So you are saying that these are *not* good rules for amateurs?

It is
But is not wise to develop software that depends on it.

:)

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Re: what is /.udev for ?

2005-02-09 Thread Lucas de Sousa
To mount inside the /dev seems a very good idea.

Something like /dev/compatxx, /dev/stddev, /dev/old, /dev/original or else.

About the fhs ... standards can change.
But the unixes fhs is uglier enougth as it is.
:)

Em Qua 09 Fev 2005 20:42, David Mandelberg escreveu:

 GOMBAS Gabor wrote:
  ... which would mean that it would become unaccessible (and thus
  meaningless) as the real /var gets mounted later in the boot process.
  You cannot reliably put it under a directory that is not guaranteed to
  be on the root file system; that leaves roughly /, /etc, /bin, /lib and
  /sbin. Pick your favourite :-)

 What about this:

 TMPDEV=`mktemp -d /tmp/devXX || { mkdir /.dev; echo -n /.dev; }`
 mount -o bind /dev $TMPDEV
 mount -t tmpfs none /dev
 mkdir /dev/orig
 mount -o bind $TMPDEV /dev/orig
 umount $TMPDEV
 rm -rf $TMPDEV

 This way there's no clutter in / and the original dev is mounted in a valid
 place that won't get overmounted later. It's also fhs compliant I think.

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