Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:33:10AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2003 00:54, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:28:15PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > > > I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a > > > paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of > > > Zeroconf[1]. > > > > My experience of Rendezvous has been that it is a network-thrashing > > traffic generator, which *has* to be disabled on a network of any > > significant size, just to stop it from flooding everything else out. > > > > Please be careful never to ship packages in a state which do this by > > default; I can't count the number of hours I've wasted just turning > > that stuff off. There's got to be a better solution. > > It's not MEANT for a network of any size. It is intended for home and very > small office users who do not have admins or who do not want to admin. > > If you have an admin who has properly setup DNS, DHCP, etc zeroconf has > little > practical use. Which is why it is amazingly annoying that every MacOSX system comes with Rendezvous enabled out of the box. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | pgpFPas8MSjEk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:34:05AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Consider printers, for instance. The home user wants to see printers > without configuring them. The large-office admin, on the other hand, might > want the reverse, i.e. to have printers NOT show up when they're NOT > there. ZC can help with that, too. CUPS supports things although that support is disabled by default and it requires a CUPS server to be running on the client system rather than just the cupsys-client package. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 11:34:05AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > If you have an admin who has properly setup DNS, DHCP, etc zeroconf > > has little practical use. > > Maybe not zeroconf, but somewhat-less-than-100%-manually-conf is good. > > Consider printers, for instance. The home user wants to see printers > without configuring them. That's something I was wondering about the other day. Is there a protocol (something related to IPP I'd guess) which allows for discovery of network printers? Pointers to the relevant documentation or RFC would be appreciated. The WvPrint people mentioned something about that but AFAICS it's still vapourware. Marcelo
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 02:44:18PM +1000, An?bal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > > > > Is anyone working on getting Debian to do any of this sort of stuff? > > There is already a project for zeroconf [1]. And a debian source > package [2]. There is also a paper [3] presented at lca2003 [4] by Brad > Hards. Cool. Thanks for the info. Might be worth adding "zeroconf" to the package decription so that it shows up in an apt-cache search. Andrew pgpScEkRNsjZl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
Hi, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> If you have an admin who has properly setup DNS, DHCP, etc zeroconf has
> little practical use.
Maybe not zeroconf, but somewhat-less-than-100%-manually-conf is good.
Consider printers, for instance. The home user wants to see printers
without configuring them. The large-office admin, on the other hand, might
want the reverse, i.e. to have printers NOT show up when they're NOT
there. ZC can help with that, too.
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Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:28:15PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a > paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of > Zeroconf[1]. > > Is anyone working on getting Debian to do any of this sort of stuff? If > not, I might look into spinning off a subproject. I don't think it would > be significantly difficult to get parts of this working relatively > quickly. Minor changes to ifupdown would allow for allocating an IP > address without a HCP server, for example. > > [1] http://www.zeroconf.org Almost certainly you can make use of ifplugd for this: Description: A configuration daemon for ethernet devices ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. This is useful on laptops with onboard network adapters, since it will only configure the interface when a cable is really connected. Greetings, Oliver -- .''`. : :' :Oliver Kurth [EMAIL PROTECTED] `. `' Debian GNU/Linux maintainer - www.debian.org `- When sending passwords, please use my gpg key. That's what it's good for. pgp0QNp0t2XlQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Friday 08 August 2003 00:54, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:28:15PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > > I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a > > paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of > > Zeroconf[1]. > > My experience of Rendezvous has been that it is a network-thrashing > traffic generator, which *has* to be disabled on a network of any > significant size, just to stop it from flooding everything else out. > > Please be careful never to ship packages in a state which do this by > default; I can't count the number of hours I've wasted just turning > that stuff off. There's got to be a better solution. It's not MEANT for a network of any size. It is intended for home and very small office users who do not have admins or who do not want to admin. If you have an admin who has properly setup DNS, DHCP, etc zeroconf has little practical use.
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:28:15PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a > paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of > Zeroconf[1]. My experience of Rendezvous has been that it is a network-thrashing traffic generator, which *has* to be disabled on a network of any significant size, just to stop it from flooding everything else out. Please be careful never to ship packages in a state which do this by default; I can't count the number of hours I've wasted just turning that stuff off. There's got to be a better solution. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -><- | pgpBp9eZ8Atjk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Zeroconf Debian?
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 13:28 +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a > paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their > implementation of Zeroconf[1]. > > Is anyone working on getting Debian to do any of this sort of stuff? There is already a project for zeroconf [1]. And a debian source package [2]. There is also a paper [3] presented at lca2003 [4] by Brad Hards. [1] http://zeroconf.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://packages.qa.debian.org/zcip [3] http://niquia.its.monash.edu/lca2003/papers/Brad_Hards/Brad_Hards.pdf [4] http://www.linux.org.au/conf/2003/ > If not, I might look into spinning off a subproject. I don't think it > would be significantly difficult to get parts of this working > relatively quickly. Minor changes to ifupdown would allow for > allocating an IP address without a HCP server, for example. > > [1] http://www.zeroconf.org Kind regards, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux | Building 28C : :' : Free Operating System | Monash University VIC 3800 `. `' http://debian.org/| Australia `- | pgpNBNQWrPjnL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Zeroconf Debian?
I'm currently at the SAGE-AU annual conference, and Apple presented a paper about their Rendezvous technology, which is their implementation of Zeroconf[1]. Is anyone working on getting Debian to do any of this sort of stuff? If not, I might look into spinning off a subproject. I don't think it would be significantly difficult to get parts of this working relatively quickly. Minor changes to ifupdown would allow for allocating an IP address without a HCP server, for example. [1] http://www.zeroconf.org pgpq1WYIX0MlW.pgp Description: PGP signature
