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Re: interpreting email headers

2002-01-20 Thread Andrew Tait

Mail Headers are only half the story.

The relevant postfix log files are the other half.

Quite often I receive strange messages (usually spam) and need to look at my
exim logs to find out the whole story.

Andrew Tait
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- Original Message -
From: "Jason Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian ISP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: interpreting email headers


> While I don't have any real answer (since I don't know exactly what you're
> looking for), I've included the headers of the email for all to see... so
> those of you who don't like opening attachments could respond as well.
>
> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 21 01:37:31 2002
> Return-Path: <>
> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Received: (qmail 23329 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 00:34:17 -
> Received: from unknown (HELO sws?sat.sws.net.au) (10.10.10.30)
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> Received: from ivanova.coker.com.au (ivanova.coker.com.au [203.36.46.209])
>  by sws_sat.sws.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E647CA51
>  for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:16 +1100 (EST)
> Received: by ivanova.coker.com.au (Postfix)
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> Received: from debianlinux.net (c88006.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.88.6])
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Russell Coker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Debian ISP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:44 AM
> Subject: interpreting email headers
>
>
> > I have attached a strange bounce message I received, and would like some
> > advice in understanding exactly what happened.
> >
> > I know that this is only barely on-topic, but I feel that the fact that
> it's
> > connected to debianlinux.net makes it worth mentioning here...
> >
> > --
> > http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark
> > http://www.coker.com.au/postal/   Postal SMTP/POP benchmark
> > http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on
> > http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
> >
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Re: interpreting email headers

2002-01-20 Thread Jason Lim

While I don't have any real answer (since I don't know exactly what you're
looking for), I've included the headers of the email for all to see... so
those of you who don't like opening attachments could respond as well.

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 21 01:37:31 2002
Return-Path: <>
Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: (qmail 23329 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 00:34:17 -
Received: from unknown (HELO sws?sat.sws.net.au) (10.10.10.30)
  by 10.10.10.8 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 00:34:17 -
Received: from ivanova.coker.com.au (ivanova.coker.com.au [203.36.46.209])
 by sws_sat.sws.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E647CA51
 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:16 +1100 (EST)
Received: by ivanova.coker.com.au (Postfix)
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Received: from debianlinux.net (c88006.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.88.6])
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 by ivanova.coker.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79134FB51
 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:04 +1100 (EST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
  (ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1894.txt)
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- Original Message -
From: "Russell Coker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian ISP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:44 AM
Subject: interpreting email headers


> I have attached a strange bounce message I received, and would like some
> advice in understanding exactly what happened.
>
> I know that this is only barely on-topic, but I feel that the fact that
it's
> connected to debianlinux.net makes it worth mentioning here...
>
> --
> http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark
> http://www.coker.com.au/postal/   Postal SMTP/POP benchmark
> http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on
> http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
>


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interpreting email headers

2002-01-20 Thread Russell Coker

I have attached a strange bounce message I received, and would like some 
advice in understanding exactly what happened.

I know that this is only barely on-topic, but I feel that the fact that it's 
connected to debianlinux.net makes it worth mentioning here...

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http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark
http://www.coker.com.au/postal/   Postal SMTP/POP benchmark
http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on
http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page

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Re: apache-dns cname-vhost

2002-01-20 Thread martin f krafft

(sorry, list...)

jesse,
i am trying to fix your DNS but i can't get in touch with you because
your DNS is broken, and mail can't be delivered.

do you have another email account that you can use? i could give you one
temporarily, or just get one at hushmail.com

i hope you are seeing this message...

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ATTN: Jesse G. (jg@floridasunonline.com)

2002-01-20 Thread martin f krafft

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: you are listed in the floridasunonline.com whois
information as registrant. please help me get in touch with Jesse G.

jesse,
i am trying to fix your DNS but i can't get in touch with you because
your DNS is broken, and mail can't be delivered.

do you have another email account that you can use? i could give you one
temporarily, or just get one at hushmail.com

i hope you are seeing this message...

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give me ambiguity or give me something else.


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Re: IMAP design implementation (Cyrus, Courier or WU) -FB wanted

2002-01-20 Thread Nicolas BOUGUES

On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:36:00PM -0500, Ted Knab wrote:
>  windows/mac clients.
>  
>  I have decided to replace our current server with an Exim/IMAP combo
> 
>  either running Courier, Cryrus or WU-IMAP.
>  
>  I am hoping you will help me decide on the IMAP a good one.
>  

Well, according to me, the main point is about local file storage.

I think UW-IMAP uses primarily "plain old" UNIX mbox format, which is
:
- very well known, compatible with just about anything
- easily corruptible (not NFS safe) 
- needs some tweaking for IMAP support
- one file per mailbox, which is not very efficient for deletions /
updates of individual messages

Cyrus uses a proprietary storage layout, which includes local
databases :
- it's "meant for IMAP", one file per message
- it features a complete ACL system and quota support
- it's corruptible, and sometimes it's hard to figure out what's
wrong, and how to rebuild the right database
- I don't think it's NFS safe
- it's not simple : you can't just "play with the files", you have to
keep the databases in sync

Courier uses Maildir (the native storage format of qmail) :
- it's open, simple and efficient : one file per message, nothing else
- it's fully NFS safe, using a purely fs based locking mechanism
- it requires some tweaking for IMAP support

I've setup various mail servers, using mbox, cyrus and Maildir. And
I'm now "sold" to the Maildir format. It's "unbreakable", even when
different POP/IMAP servers and various MTAs play with one spool at the
same time. It's now supported by most MTAs (I use Postfix), and
various POP/IMAP servers (I've just tried courier, and I'm fairly
happy with it).

mbox will be painful (corruption will happen).

cyrus looks interesting, but once you're there, you can't use anything
else, because the storage format is quite proprietary (although it's
not secret).

So my best advice would be : go for a Maildir based setup. Use your
favorite MTA, and try Courier IMAP. You'll still be able to switch
MTAs, POP or IMAP daemons later.

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Axialys Interactive


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Re: PPOP3 Webmail

2002-01-20 Thread tps

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:54:58PM -0300, Fernando Casas wrote:
> Right now i?m using OpenWebmail (http://www.openwebmail.org) 1.53 . The
> implementation was t easy and smoothly that i can?t believe it. And my
> users are VERY happy. ;)
> We are using it for a few months and didn?t have any problems. It?s FAST and
> very COMPLETE solution, with low requirements.
> So i recommend OpenWebmail, i tried some of the solutions proposed in other
> responses to your msg, but were hard or complicated at implementation time,
> or the requirements were too much for a webmail, from my point of view (like
> SQL, or IMAP).
> I insist. Give OpenWebmail a chance.

I agree! I have squirrelmail (which is still broken in Debian), IMP and
openwebmail. my users like openwebmail the best. I wish there was a Debian
package for it.

Tim

> Fernando.
> 
> PD: excuse my bad english.

Your english is better than most of us who use it as our primary language!

Tim

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Re: PPOP3 Webmail

2002-01-20 Thread Fernando Casas

Right now i´m using OpenWebmail (http://www.openwebmail.org) 1.53 . The
implementation was t easy and smoothly that i can´t believe it. And my
users are VERY happy. ;)
We are using it for a few months and didn´t have any problems. It´s FAST and
very COMPLETE solution, with low requirements.
So i recommend OpenWebmail, i tried some of the solutions proposed in other
responses to your msg, but were hard or complicated at implementation time,
or the requirements were too much for a webmail, from my point of view (like
SQL, or IMAP).
I insist. Give OpenWebmail a chance.

Fernando.

PD: excuse my bad english.

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To: "Debian ISP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: PPOP3 Webmail


> Does anyone know of a open source package for providing access to a POP3
> mail box via a web interface?
>
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Re: PPOP3 Webmail

2002-01-20 Thread CaT

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:59:06PM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:37:37PM +1100, CaT wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 09:44:34PM -0500, Gene Grimm wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of a open source package for providing access to a POP3
> > > mail box via a web interface?
> > 
> > Imp works great. www.horde.org
> > 
> > I believe there are debian packages available.
> 
> I have not tried anything else, but use IMP and am fairly committed to it.

Me too. :)

> Having said that, I would hesitate to recomend it. Sure it works great, but
> it feels a little clumzy. It also feels too big and ... messy.

Which version? 2.2.7 or 3.0?

> The Debian packages are OK, but do not work painlessly if you are using
> Postgres. I have not yet filed any bugs because the whole beast that is

I didn't use the debian packages. I always compile my own apache and so
that whole line of reasoning is out the window. :)

In my setup IMP works great with postgres. Either 2.2.7 or 3.0.

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Re: PPOP3 Webmail

2002-01-20 Thread Donovan Baarda

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 02:37:37PM +1100, CaT wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 09:44:34PM -0500, Gene Grimm wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a open source package for providing access to a POP3
> > mail box via a web interface?
> 
> Imp works great. www.horde.org
> 
> I believe there are debian packages available.

I have not tried anything else, but use IMP and am fairly committed to it.
Having said that, I would hesitate to recomend it. Sure it works great, but
it feels a little clumzy. It also feels too big and ... messy.

The Debian packages are OK, but do not work painlessly if you are using
Postgres. I have not yet filed any bugs because the whole beast that is
horde is now split into so many support packages that I'm not sure which one
is at fault.

If anyone does decide to go down the IMP on Debian path using woody, I can
probably help anyone that hits problems. 


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