[OT] Re: AVI stream

2002-03-18 Thread Emile van Bergen

Hi,

On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Chris Wagner wrote:

[SNIP]
> You mentioned copyright issues.  It is impossible to keep someone from
> stealing *any* streamed content if they're determined.  It wouldn't take
> much for someone to take apart your asx file and copy the URL into their
> browser and simply download it.

[SNIP]
> But like I said before, it is flat out impossible to safeguard
> streamed media from a true hacker. :) So all you will really be doing
> is keeping away the casual thief.  That goes for Real Player too.  So
> how many in your audience are going to think to look in %temp% for a
> copy of this??

I really object to the idea that I am a "thief" if I want to view the
streamed content again, or show it to my wife, or if I want to convert
it to format Foo for display with player Bar which I happen to like a
lot.

You publish or broadcast content, and that means the recipient can do
with it whatever she damn well pleases as long as she doesn't
redistribute it publically.

But the idea that it's 'illegal' and 'thievery' to refuse to follow
publisher's random unilaterally imposed restrictions of how the content
should be viewed is bull.

As long as the viewer doesn't violate copyright, he can do whatever. If
you don't like that, don't publish it.

It looks like the DMCA's brainwashing is already taking effect if people
are already starting to believe it's "wrong" if you don't do as your
told by the content owner. Sigh.

Cheers,


Emile.

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Re: AVI stream

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Wagner

Sure, any media format can be streamed over Apache.  The secret is the use
of meta files.  The "streaming" is a function accomplished by the client,
not the server.  All the so called streaming protocols out there are just
glorified TCP/UDP data transfers with some bells and whistles thrown in.  If
you want something streamed into Media Player you just create a .asx
metafile with it's contents pointing to the http location of the media.
Media player automatically knows how to "pace" the download.  Real Player
works on the same principle.

An example asx file:


Boss's Speach
Copyright Blah
http://wherever.com/something.avi";>



You mentioned copyright issues.  It is impossible to keep someone from
stealing *any* streamed content if they're determined.  It wouldn't take
much for someone to take apart your asx file and copy the URL into their
browser and simply download it.  One thing you can do is configure Apache to
only serve the content if the browser id string matches the known media
player browser types. This would prevent anyone from accessing the file from
Netscape or IE or whatever.  You'ld have to check your access logs to see
what kind of id string it sends.  One other thing to consider is that I
think, but am not sure, that media player will keep a temp file of content
received over http in the system temp directory.  You'll have to test it to
make sure.  I think you can also embed "copyrighted material" tags in the
file itself to tell media player that it can't be saved off.  But like I
said before, it is flat out impossible to safeguard streamed media from a
true hacker. :) So all you will really be doing is keeping away the casual
thief.  That goes for Real Player too.  So how many in your audience are
going to think to look in %temp% for a copy of this??

At 11:29 AM 3/18/02 +0100, Michal Novotny wrote:
>Hello!
>
>Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box?
>
>For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add
>support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-(
>I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues...
>
>Could anyone help me?




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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Jason Lim



> On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17, Chris Jenks wrote:
> > I hadn't even thought of using a RAID set up. I haven't had any
experience
> > with them. Hmm.. looks like I asked the right question in the right
place
> > after all.
>
> RAID is mandatory for a mail server.  Backups are difficult for mail
servers
> as the data is changing all the time, and they'll never be complete.
>
> Having a single drive failure lose all your data is unacceptable.

Well, I guess that depends on how important the mail is, and how often
people "download" their mail. Obviously in an IMAP situation where mail is
stored on the server, it must be safe and secure. With clients (software,
i mean) downloading their mail to the desktop, the most they would notice
is they are not getting any new mail for a short while (while you fix the
server). People sending email will have the mail delayed, but most mail
software (mta?) will keep trying for nearly up to a week, depending on
software. So I guess that unless lots of users are using IMAP, then it
won't be TOO bad if the disk the mail spool is on dies.

> Software RAID in Linux works quite well.  The Debian install disks don't
> support it, but if you check the archives of this list you should find a
> message from me describing how to solve that.
>

Yeap, with your guidance I've done that. Did it a while ago for a client.
Also had problems with the boot sequence where if the disk on the first
IDE link died, it would just sit there. Hardware RAID solved that problem.
But I suppose it really depends how the hard disk is broken... in my
individual case, the computer no longer could boot up past that point (i
think something may have been wrong with the disk spindle motor)... but
YMMV.

> If you send email to me or to a mailing list that I use which has >4
lines
> of legalistic junk at the end then you are specifically authorizing me
to do
> whatever I wish with the message and all other messages from your
domain, by
> posting the message you agree that your long legalistic sig is void.
>

Everyone hates those ultra long *confidentiality, security, legal, blah
blah* sigs. I wonder what the best, short, clear, legalistic sig is.
Obviously not for sending to a mail list, but for individual
emails.


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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Jenks

At 05:34 PM 3/18/02, you wrote:

> > I hadn't even thought of using a RAID set up. I haven't had any
>experience with
> > them. Hmm.. looks like I asked the right question in the right place
>after all.

>Most of us work in ISP/hosting type environments, so all your
>considerations have already been considered by us before. I got help here
>about optimizing outgoing email servers a while ago, and got lots of good
>advice and stuff here (also discovered some new, previously undocumented
>speed optimization techniques). So its all good for learning and helping
>each other :-)

I've always worked on the back bone end. First at AGIS (before, durring and
after the spam days) and then at Global Crossing. This is a little different
from what I'm used to. This whole thing started in a Subway over dinner last
night. I was going to ask the Inet-Access people about it, but I had already
decided to use Woody and Exim (due to money and familiarity with Debian)
and didn't want a bunch of replies saying MTA X is better.

I figured that this list would be less biased, and I wouldn't get as many
flames.

Thanks for the help everyone

Chris


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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Russell Coker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:17, Chris Jenks wrote:
> I hadn't even thought of using a RAID set up. I haven't had any experience
> with them. Hmm.. looks like I asked the right question in the right place
> after all.

RAID is mandatory for a mail server.  Backups are difficult for mail servers 
as the data is changing all the time, and they'll never be complete.

Having a single drive failure lose all your data is unacceptable.

Software RAID in Linux works quite well.  The Debian install disks don't 
support it, but if you check the archives of this list you should find a 
message from me describing how to solve that.

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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Jason Lim


>
> I hadn't even thought of using a RAID set up. I haven't had any
experience with
> them. Hmm.. looks like I asked the right question in the right place
after all.
>
> Thanks
> Chris

Most of us work in ISP/hosting type environments, so all your
considerations have already been considered by us before. I got help here
about optimizing outgoing email servers a while ago, and got lots of good
advice and stuff here (also discovered some new, previously undocumented
speed optimization techniques). So its all good for learning and helping
each other :-)


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Re: Exim + POP3 + quota problems

2002-03-18 Thread Marcin Owsiany

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:51:55PM -0500, Loren Jordan wrote:
> If you are able to re compile Qpopper, you can change the location of the 
> .lock file as a compile option, just put it some where there is no 
> quota checking.  You will also need to adjust the configuration of your MDA 
> to watch for lock files in that new location.

MDA or MTA, but also MUA...

> I ran into this same problem 
> a couple of years ago (when I worked at Qualcomm :).  I was also constantly 
> having to repair the users mbox files because of corruptions in the headers 
> that would cause Qpopper to die.

You mean when it didn't use right lockfiles?

> There are a lot of compile time options that you can adjust and if you just 
> have to keep using it, do re-compile with the "server mode" enabled.  I 
> forget the exact name of that option but it keeps the users spool file 
> copies to only 1 per session.  This change alone brought the load on our 
> mail servers down to less than 1.0.

Right, but the manpage says I shouldn't use that mode if users also read
mail using MUAs.

> I would recommend going with something like qmail (I like it more than 
> anything else I have used) or any other pop server that supports 
> Maildir.

Actually I have to deal with qmail on another machine, and I prefer
exim...  and it supports Maildir delivery as well, so I think I'll just
try to switch to it.

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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Jenks

At 02:08 PM 3/18/02, Russell Coker wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:12, Jason Lim wrote:
> > > > 1 What is the max user limit that woody + exim will support
> > >
> > > It's WAY above 500. :-)
> >
> > It also seriously depends on what the hardware is. I think a 486/33 might
> > have a bit of trouble coping with 500 (or lets say 200-300) simultaneous
> > and concurrent users trying to check their email at the beginning of the
> > work day.
>
>That depends on how many messages are waiting, whether the users leave mail
>on the server, and whether they use mbox storage.
>
>If users leave mail on the server in mbox format, and they are emailing
>around Word files etc then a new P3 machine with 1G of RAM and a RAID setup
>of fast hard drives will have big problems.
>
>If the users do only plain-ascii mail with no big attachments, don't leave
>their mail on the server, have a fast connection to the server, and Maildir
>is used then 500 people logging on in a period of 10 minutes should work on a
>486-33 with 64M of RAM.

I hadn't even thought of using a RAID set up. I haven't had any experience with
them. Hmm.. looks like I asked the right question in the right place after all.

Thanks
Chris


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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Chris Jenks

At 01:12 PM 3/18/02, you wrote:

> > > 1 What is the max user limit that woody + exim will support
> >
> > It's WAY above 500. :-)
> >
>
>It also seriously depends on what the hardware is. I think a 486/33 might
>have a bit of trouble coping with 500 (or lets say 200-300) simultaneous
>and concurrent users trying to check their email at the beginning of the
>work day.

I took that thought into account, I was thinking along the lines of a P3
400 with at least 384 megs of memory. Maybe over kill but I would rather
have over kill than a dead mail server. Most of the people are factory line
workers, so I don't really think that they will all log in at once. I'm not
even sure why their management wants to give them all work email
accounts. There are two offices with 500 (that gives me some room
to play with actually, closer to 450) people in each one. I'm not sure
if one mail server could handle it or not (never set one up before). I
was also thinking of putting one in each shop for deversity.



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drac and sendmail 8.12.1

2002-03-18 Thread ragnar

Hello,

On woody 

I am looking to use drac with Sendmail 8.12.1

The instructions are for 8.9.x.

Does anyone use them together?

Best
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Re[2]: AVI stream

2002-03-18 Thread Michal Novotny

I think it doesn't matter to me, I can convert it to something else.

But I need to be able stream the same video for RealPlayer and Windows
Media Player, of course using two different formats (for RP & WMP).

I found some mpeg streaming tools, but for $1299 :-( I need to test it
before  use it, and I can't spend that much... and I don't know if WMP
can play that streamings...

Any other possibilities?

Regards
Michal Novotny

18. března 2002 20:09:26, Dave Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pise:

> You will never be able to stream AVI. It is unstreamable. You will want to
> stream ASF or MPEG. As to how to do that, I will leave to someone else.

> Dave Smith

>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michal Novotny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: 18 March 2002 10:30
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: AVI stream
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box?
>>
>> For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add
>> support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-(
>> I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues...
>>
>> Could anyone help me?
>>
>> Regards
>> Michal Novotny
>>
>>
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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Russell Coker

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:12, Jason Lim wrote:
> > > 1 What is the max user limit that woody + exim will support
> >
> > It's WAY above 500. :-)
>
> It also seriously depends on what the hardware is. I think a 486/33 might
> have a bit of trouble coping with 500 (or lets say 200-300) simultaneous
> and concurrent users trying to check their email at the beginning of the
> work day.

That depends on how many messages are waiting, whether the users leave mail 
on the server, and whether they use mbox storage.

If users leave mail on the server in mbox format, and they are emailing 
around Word files etc then a new P3 machine with 1G of RAM and a RAID setup 
of fast hard drives will have big problems.

If the users do only plain-ascii mail with no big attachments, don't leave 
their mail on the server, have a fast connection to the server, and Maildir 
is used then 500 people logging on in a period of 10 minutes should work on a 
486-33 with 64M of RAM.

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Re: upgrading just one "stable" package to "testing" version

2002-03-18 Thread Jason Lim



> On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 21:11:20 +1100, Toby Thain wrote:
> > spaz:~# apt-get update
>
> > spaz:~# apt-get install apt
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > Sorry, apt is already the newest version
> > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not
upgraded.
>
> That's strange. Stable has apt 0.3.19; testing has apt 0.5.4. This
should
> have worked. Perhaps apt is among the "5 not upgrade" packages, for some
> reason? You could work around this by installing the new apt (and its
> dependencies) through "dpkg".
>

There is a simple way... do apt-get -v

What is the output? What version does it report?

Then we'll know all.


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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Jason Lim


> > 1 What is the max user limit that woody + exim will support
>
> It's WAY above 500. :-)
>

It also seriously depends on what the hardware is. I think a 486/33 might
have a bit of trouble coping with 500 (or lets say 200-300) simultaneous
and concurrent users trying to check their email at the beginning of the
work day.

> > 2 Could someone point me to a good pointer / how-to for this.
>
> If you "apt-get install exim", the configuration process will ask you
> enough questions to set up the basics.  Then I'd hit the Exim docs.
>
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Re: Exim + POP3 + quota problems

2002-03-18 Thread Loren Jordan

Hello,

If you are able to re compile Qpopper, you can change the location of the 
.lock file as a compile option, just put it some where there is no 
quota checking.  You will also need to adjust the configuration of your MDA 
to watch for lock files in that new location.  I ran into this same problem 
a couple of years ago (when I worked at Qualcomm :).  I was also constantly 
having to repair the users mbox files because of corruptions in the headers 
that would cause Qpopper to die.

There are a lot of compile time options that you can adjust and if you just 
have to keep using it, do re-compile with the "server mode" enabled.  I 
forget the exact name of that option but it keeps the users spool file 
copies to only 1 per session.  This change alone brought the load on our 
mail servers down to less than 1.0.

I would recommend going with something like qmail (I like it more than 
anything else I have used) or any other pop server that supports 
Maildir.  The only mail servers I didn't have to work on (fixing) have been 
those using Maildir.

Hope this helps,
Loren

At 10:11 PM 03/17/2002 -0600, Rich Puhek wrote:


>Marcin Owsiany wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Here's my setup:
> >
> >  - a potato box (sounds cool, doesn't it? :-)
> >  - exim delivers mail to /var/mail/
> >  - qpopper is my POP3 server
> >  - there is a user quota for /var partition
> >  - /var/spool/pop is a symlink to /usr/local/pop
> >  - there is no user quota for /usr/local partition
> >  - all users use POP3 to fetch their mail
> >  - also, a few users do read mail via local MUAs,
> >so disabling locking in qpopper is not possible
> >
> > The problem is that from time to time the following thing
> > happens:
> >  - the size of a user's mailbox in blocks becomes equal to the user's
> >quota on /var
> >  - because the user may not use any more blocks on that partition,
> >qpopper is unable to create a lockfile (/var/mail/.lock)
> >and exits with
> >-ERR maillock: cannot lock '/var/mail/foo': 1
> >  - because of that the user is unable to fetch her mail
> >
> > How do you guys cope with that problem? The only solution I could come
> > up with is switching to Maildir delivery, but might be painful...
> > Maybe there's some solution I've overlooked?
> >
>
>Argh... yes, use Maildir, have procmail deliver locally, drop qpopper
>for courierpop, qmail's pop server, or any of the other Mailbox-aware
>servers. You'll have a lot less trouble in the long run IMHO. The
>changeover isn't really that painful either.
>
>Been a while since I dealt with qpopper, but wasn't the lock actually
>/var/spool/pop/.pop (the temporary copy of the user's mailbox)?
>
>If that's correct, mount /var/spool on a different partition from
>/var/mail, and only enable quotas on /var/mail. If you've got any load
>on the server, you'll want /var/spool, /var/log, and /var/mail on
>seperate drives for performance anyhow.
>
>
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Re: Another stupid question

2002-03-18 Thread Bob Billson

On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 09:56:43AM +1100, Seung H. Lee wrote:
> I was searching for the answer to the exactly same question a while
> back, and found the above answer from a google search.

The recipe works very nicely.  Thanks very much for posting it!

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2002-03-18 Thread Dave Rose

At 10:29 AM 3/16/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 11:09:20PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 09:14:03PM -0500, Bob Billson wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 07:20:11PM -0500, Tim Sailer wrote:
> > > > OK, I'm number than I thought. I see nothing but a mere mention of
> > > > maildir in one or two spots. Can you give a little more obvious 
> pointer?
> > >
> > > hrmm... You're right.  I can't find it either.  It used to be there.
> > > That's where I found out how to do it.
> > >
> > > Well, here is a relevant snippet from my exim.conf.  It should help get
> > > you going.  Note I deliver mail on my machine to the directory
> > > /home/$USER/Maildir rather than the *directory* /var/mail/$USER.  Either
> > > way, you *also* need to create three subdirs: new, cur, and tmp, e.g.
> > >
> > > mkdir /home/$USER/Maildir/{new,cur,tmp}
> > >
> > > Without them, mail won't get delivered.  I found that out the hard 
> way. :)
> > > Hope this helps.  If not, give a yell.
> >
> >
> > YLL! :) I think my problem is in procmail. I had almost exactly
> > what you had. Looking at the exim logs, everything is going through
> > the procmail_pipe since I have a very extensive .procmailrc . I'll have to
> > figure out how to make procmail behave with maildir.
>
>OK, I have it figured out. You have to have
>
>DEFAULT = $HOME/Maildir
>
>in either your /etc/procmailrc (for systemwide delivery) or in your
>private .procmailrc for just you.
>
>If you are using Mutt for a local mailreader, you need to add
>
>set mbox_type=Maildir
>
>in your .muttrc .
>
>Now, the interesting thing about mutt is, it looks liks this:
>
>1190 O   Mar 15 Jones, Susan M  (  19) after work get-together for Bill
>1191 N F Mar 16 To Tim Sailer   (   0) test mail
>
>
>notice that message 1190 hsa 19 lines and 1191 shows 0 lines, although
>it has 10. The 1190 was from the mbox2mdir conversion, the new ones all
>show up as 0 lines
>
>Tim
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Re: upgrading just one "stable" package to "testing" version

2002-03-18 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 21:11:20 +1100, Toby Thain wrote:
> spaz:~# apt-get update

> spaz:~# apt-get install apt
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Sorry, apt is already the newest version
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.

That's strange. Stable has apt 0.3.19; testing has apt 0.5.4. This should
have worked. Perhaps apt is among the "5 not upgrade" packages, for some
reason? You could work around this by installing the new apt (and its
dependencies) through "dpkg".

> spaz:~# apt-get -t testing install ssh
> E: Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known.

testing's apt understands '-t'; stable's doesn't.

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AVI stream

2002-03-18 Thread Michal Novotny

Hello!

Is there a chance to stream avi/wma file from Debian box?

For now I'm using RealServer for Linux, but (for clients) I need to add
support for Windows Media Player (standard player in MS Windows) :-(
I cannot use download, but stream. Copyright issues...

Could anyone help me?
  
Regards
Michal Novotny



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Re: Re-post, with additional questions/infomation: Traffic monitoring/logging question

2002-03-18 Thread Christian Hammers

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 10:50:26PM +0100, Auke Rensen wrote:
> NTOP:
> 1.) Does anyone know how to log and store the collected data?
> 2.) Does anyone know how to insert specific source/destination rules?
Take a look at the netflow/sflow exporting capabilities of ntop.
It is almost compatible with the netflow exports of cisco routers.

bye,

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Re: upgrading just one "stable" package to "testing" version

2002-03-18 Thread Toby Thain


On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 01:41 AM, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 11:03:51 +1100, Toby Thain wrote:
>> I've just upgraded one Debian 2.2 machine from stable to testing 
>> and other
>> 2.2 stable machines can't ssh into it ("Disconnecting: Bad packet 
>> length
>> 1349676916").
>
> The SSH in stable only supports version 1 of the SSH protocol; if you
> configure your "testing" machine to accept that older version of the
> protocol (by putting "Protocol 2,1" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and 
> restarting
> ssh), SSH-ing from your stable machines works.

This didn't work for me (first thing I tried).

>
>> So I'd like to upgrade ssh on the client machine to the "testing" 
>> version.
>> But I don't know how to do this other than adding "testing" to the 
>> apt-get
>> sources, dselect upgrade, etc., which will upgrade everything. Can 
>> anyone
>> explain to me how to be more selective?
>
> You'll need testing's apt (plus its depencencies) for that. The 
> following
> should work (though I'm not aware of people actually using this
> configuration as most simply fully upgrade to testing, so you may 
> want to
> use the "-s" flag to apt-get to see what it intends to do before 
> actually
> doing these steps):
> - add "testing" entries to /etc/apt/sources.list in addition to the 
> entries
>   for "stable"
> - "apt-get update"
> - "apt-get install apt"
> - create an /etc/apt/preferences with contents
>   Package: *
>   Pin: release a=stable
>   to have apt default to the stable versions
> - install testing's ssh by requesting it explicitly:
>   "apt-get -t testing install ssh"

This didn't work for me either:

spaz:~# apt-get update
Hit http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages
Hit http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Release
Hit http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Packages
Hit http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Packages
Hit http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/non-free Release
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Sources
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Sources
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/contrib Release
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Sources
Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/non-free Release
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
spaz:~# apt-get install apt
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Sorry, apt is already the newest version
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
spaz:~# vi /etc/apt/preferences

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
~
/etc/apt/preferences: new file: 2 lines, 33 characters
spaz:~# apt-get -t testing install ssh
E: Command line option 't' [from -t] is not known.
spaz:~#

Naturally the next thing I did was "man apt-get" but that didn't 
clarify.

Toby


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Re: Exim + POP3 + quota problems

2002-03-18 Thread Marcin Owsiany

On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:11:27PM -0600, Rich Puhek wrote:
> Marcin Owsiany wrote:
> >  - exim delivers mail to /var/mail/
> >  - qpopper is my POP3 server
> >  - /var/spool/pop is a symlink to /usr/local/pop
> >  - there is no user quota for /usr/local partition

> Been a while since I dealt with qpopper, but wasn't the lock actually
> /var/spool/pop/.pop (the temporary copy of the user's mailbox)?

/var/spool/pop/.pop is one thing (it's called temporary maildrop
by qpopper) - it's where qpopper moves mail for the time of POP3
session.
/var/mail/.lock is another thing. I think it's usually just a few
bytes large (probably contains the pid of the locking process), and it's
the actual lock file (needed to prevent mbox corruption).

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Re: Mail Servers

2002-03-18 Thread Jeremy Zawodny

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 02:28:12AM -0500, Chris Jenks wrote:
> I hate asking this, but I thought that this would be the fastest
> way to get the answer.
> 
> I may be setting up a mail server for a factory. From what little
> I know so far, it will be for all a mail server for all five hundred
> employees. (one in each location) so they can check work
> related email. I was thinking about using woody, but have
> the following 2 questions.
> 
> 1 What is the max user limit that woody + exim will support

It's WAY above 500. :-)

> 2 Could someone point me to a good pointer / how-to for this.

If you "apt-get install exim", the configuration process will ask you
enough questions to set up the basics.  Then I'd hit the Exim docs.

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