[Help] A Quota Problem ... (Quota -v )
Hello List : i have a RAID-0 device that consists of four 80G HDs (File system Type is XFS) i mounted this device to /dev/md0 and i use Quota over /dev/md0 which restrict size about 50G per user (only 5 users in my server) when i type "setquota user1 11796480 13107200 0 0 /raid" (/raid was mounted by /dev/md0) And, i am sure Quota is working to user1! And, i type "repquota /raid" have some quota information as following: === *** Report for user quotas on device /dev/md0 Block grace time: 7days; Inode grace time: 7days Block limitsFile limits Userusedsofthard graceused soft hard grace -- root -- 0 0 0 3 0 0 user1 -- 10996808 11796480 13107200 646023 0 0 axa.cheng -- 996548 11796480 13107200 3 0 0 === Unfortunately, Our users told me, They CAN NOT see any quota information when they type "quota -v" that like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/raid$ quota -v Disk quotas for user axa.cheng (uid 1001): Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace /dev/md0 0 0 0 0 0 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/raid$ i dont know why??? Anyone got idea as to nature/solution of this problem??? -- Trust & Unique ... Axacheng's PGP Public Key http://www.navigation.idv.tw/pgpkey
Re: Maildirs in Debian
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:17:13AM -0700, C. R. Oldham wrote: > > Maildir delivery has lots of advantages over mbox spools, but > > the latter is the only standard. > > > > Almost all M*A's support both standards. > > My understanding was that the Maildir patches for the c-client libraries > (affecting the UW imapd and Pine) were not very stable. Furthermore, as People still use pine? Where do you get deb's for that, or at least installer deb's. Last time I looked they apeared gone for good. I have one user who want's his pine fix bad, and I've been fobbing him of with "it's no-longer available, use mutt". > a longtime subscriber to the c-client discussion list, Mark Crispin > hates Maildir. Mark's feelings may not have a bearing on the final > decisions, I just include that as a datapoint. I think that having a debconf option to pick which you want would be great. Failing that, a migration to pure maildir would probably be good, provided the migration could be handled transperantly. -- -- ABO: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info, including pgp key --
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:49:35PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion > (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think > proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well > without descending into wars over The One True Way. I've posted some stuff on this before; http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/199/2001/12/0/7435418/ http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=333&cid=2680 These are in pretty extensive threads on the issue. -- -- ABO: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info, including pgp key --
tomcat in woody?
Heya all, I'm having some difficulty making tomcat run in debian woody. I did the usual "apt-get install", and it fires up ok, but then starts logging many exceptions to stdout.log. I've done this on pretty much completely clean debian boxes, three of, and get the same result everywhere. There's nothing running on port 8081. Is there any extra work I have to do to configure it or something? I'm basically java-clueless, unfortunately :( Log basically looks like this - the exception repeats as quickly as it can, until I kill the server: dev:/var/log/tomcat# tail -f stdout.log Jdk11Compat: Installing jar protocol handler EmbededTomcat: Init time 10555 Guessed home=/usr/share/tomcat java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at org.apache.tomcat.util.IntrospectionUtils.execute(IntrospectionUtils.java:87) at org.apache.tomcat.startup.Main.execute(Main.java:313) at org.apache.tomcat.startup.Main.main(Main.java:140) 2002-07-31 03:19:24 - SessionIdGenerator: Opening /dev/urandom 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - ServerXmlReader: Config=$TOMCAT_HOME/conf/server.xml 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - PathSetter: home=/usr/share/tomcat 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - ContextXmlReader: Context config=$TOMCAT_HOME/conf/apps-examples.xml 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - AutoWebApp: Auto-Adding DEFAULT:/ 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - AutoWebApp: Loaded from config: DEFAULT:/examples 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - ContextManager: Tomcat configured and in stable state 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - ContextManager: Adding DEFAULT:/examples 2002-07-31 03:19:25 - ContextManager: Adding DEFAULT:/ROOT 2002-07-31 03:19:28 - Http10Interceptor: Starting on 8081 PoolTcpEndpoint: Endpoint ServerSocket[addr=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0,port=0,localport=8081] ignored exception: java.net.SocketException: Socket closed java.net.SocketException: Socket closed at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.close(PlainSocketImpl.java:408) at java.net.Socket.close(Socket.java:383) at java.net.ServerSocket.implAccept(ServerSocket.java:206) at java.net.ServerSocket.accept(ServerSocket.java:181) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.PoolTcpEndpoint.acceptSocket(PoolTcpEndpoint.java:314) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.TcpWorkerThread.runIt(PoolTcpEndpoint.java:459) at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool.java:519) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java)
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Re: my firewall
> > sorry for my english, never study Not bad at all U have a typo on the log_martians part
Re: LDAP and ssl
I download the source, but before building I dch -v 2.0.23-7.1 That way I am .1 ahead of the archived version. I like this better than pinning, because apt-get will inform me when the maintainer issues a new version (and not bother me before then).
my firewall
Hi people.. i just " finish " my firewall.. i don't test it, i never run it... it may not work at all... but i spend so many hours.. that i wan't to share it. I accept any suggestions and critics... it's not finished and there is a lot of things that i need to add... but for now, i will do something else, i hate iptables for the next two o three days :) any suggestions, welcome :) see ya sorry for my english, never study -- Guido Lorenzutti (Peperino Pomuro) emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux user #206665 - http://counter.li.org #!/bin/bash #version 1.0 (mayor release! uija!) # #history: # i lost it :)... deal with it. #to do: #see if i don't need to discriminate the ports below 1024 #check the need of a "catch all" rule at the end #depending on the distro check were the script is and scream if it is not on /etc/init.d/ #this is a comment, i like comments, read them for help ##initial config-## #-system configuration--# IPTABLES=/sbin/iptables #path of the iptables MODULES=no #yes if your kernel support modules and you need them #to do, i have to add the modules that you need #--network devices settings-# NETNIC=ppp0 #if you change to ethernet you will start using SNAT IPNETNIC=`ifconfig $NETNIC |grep inet |awk '{ print $2 }'|cut -d : -f 2` LANNIC=eth1 #the interface connected to your lan IPLANNIC=`ifconfig $LANNIC |grep inet |awk '{ print $2 }'|cut -d : -f 2` #-/proc sysctl settings-# IP_FORWARD=yes #to enable ipforward, VERY important ICMPALLIGNORE=no #yes to block ALL the pings from everywhere ICMPBROADCAST=yes #yes to don't respond to broadcast pings (smurf) ICMPERRORMESG=yes #yes to protect against bogus error messages LOGMARTIANS=yes #yes to log packets with impossible addresses IP_SPOOFING=yes #yes to disable spoofing attacks on ALL interfaces REDUCEDOS=yes #reduces the timeouts and the posibility of a DOS SYNCOOKIES=yes #yes to enable tcp syn cookies protection TIMESTAMPS=yes #yes to enable tcp timestamps protection SOURCEROUTED=yes #yes to ignore source routed packets SENDREDIRECTS=yes #yes to ignore redirected packets #adsl specific problems-# PPPOE_PMTU=no #if you have problems with your pppoe connection PPTP_GRE=no #if you have problems with your pptp connection #--squid setup--# TRANSPARENT=yes #yes if you use the squid on transparent mode SQUIDINSIDE=yes #yes if you run squid on the device conected to the lan SQUIDREMOTE= #the ip of the remote squid box on you lan SQUIDPORT=3128 #the port where squid listen ##--hosts and ports config---## #--specific TOTALLY banned IPs--# USEHATE=no #to start using the next options MICROSOFT=www.microsoft.com #sample of a banned host HATEHOSTS="$MICROSOFT" #add the banned hosts here=09 #-specific trusted hosts# USETRUST=yes #to start using the next options SICEAR=sicear.dyndns.org #example of a host to trust TRUSTED="$SICEAR" #add the hosts to trust here #---local MAC address friends---# USEMAC=yes #to start using the next options AZRAEL=00:50:BA:86:9F:EC #example of a mac address to trust DROOPY=00:50:BA:87:32:34 CEREBRO=00:E0:7D:9F:76:A3 MACFRIENDS="$AZRAEL $CEREBRO" #add the hosts to trust here #---ssh administration--# #still living my life #-flood variables---# TCPSYNLIMIT="5/s" # Overall Limit for TCP-SYN-Flood detection TCPSYNLIMITBURST="10" # Burst Limit for TCP-SYN-Flood detection LOGLIMIT="2/s" # Overall Limit for Loggging in Logging-Chains LOGLIMITBURST="10" # Burst Limit for Logging in Logging-Chains PINGLIMIT="5/s" # Overall Limit for Ping-Flood-Detection PINGLIMITBURST="10" # Burst Limit for Ping-Flood-Detection ##---testing the config--## if [ "$UID" != "0" ]; then echo " (\___/)" echo " (=':'=)" echo " ('']_['') " echo " " echo " are you r00t?" exit 1 fi if [ -z $IPNETNIC ]; then echo "ABORTING: Unable to determine the IP-address of the $NETNIC" exit 1 else echo "the internet connection is thru the $NETNIC device" fi if [ -z $IPLANNIC ]; then echo "ABORTING: Unable to determine the IP-address of the $LANNIC" exit 1 else echo "the lan connection is thru the $LANNIC device" fi if [ -x $IPTABLES ]; then echo "the configuration seems to be OK" else echo "ABORTING: $IPTABLES doesn't exist or isn't executable" exit 1 fi $IPTABLES -N ICMP if [ "$?" != "0" ] ; then echo echo "you should stop the firewall before start it again" echo "/etc/init.d/firewall stop" echo exit1 fi ##modules to load
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well without descending into wars over The One True Way. Angus - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 -
Re: Some more port closing questions
113 is controlled from inetd.conf, add a # in front of the relevent line. afterwards do a killall -HUP inetd 111 is portmaper, its in /etc/init.d, you can stop the services with ./portmap stop then remove the sym link to the run level or chmod the script to 0400 and it wont run on boot in future. regards Thing Crawford Rainwater wrote: > Thanks to all on the Portsentry issue I had > a week ago. > > Along those same lines, I have two ports I cannot > figure out (even looking through the LDP) on how > to close or shut down their related services. > They are as follows: > > 111/tcp sunrpc > 111/udp sunrpc > 113/tcp auth > 1024/tcp kdm > 1024/udp unknown (I am guessing this is with the kdm one) > > Advice appreciated, thanks in advance. > > --- Crawford > > The I.T.E.C. Company > P.M.B. 146 > 368 South McCaslin Boulevard > Louisville, CO 80027 USA > (303) 604-2550 (voice) > (866) 604-2550 (toll free) > (303) 664-0036 (fax) > http://www.itec-co.com > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Maildirs in Debian [OFFTOPIC-JOKE]
>Mark Crispin > hates Maildir. Mark's feelings may not have a bearing on the final > decisions, I just include that as a datapoint. LOL . I hate round robin and divide and conquer strategies, i loathe chalenge-response authentication, the very thought of heap-sort techniques make me shiver Dear me, we need to get a life geeks NOTE: And, when i woke up, the algorithm was still there. Alex P.S. I just woke up this way, i realize how offtopic this is
Re: Some more port closing questions
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 at 11:09:49AM -0600, Crawford Rainwater wrote: > Thanks to all on the Portsentry issue I had > a week ago. > > Along those same lines, I have two ports I cannot > figure out (even looking through the LDP) on how > to close or shut down their related services. > They are as follows: > > 111/tcp sunrpc > 111/udp sunrpc I believe there is something in /etc/init.d/mountnfs* that deals with this (portmap) > 113/tcp auth Check in /etc/identd.conf > 1024/tcp kdm check your KDM config under /etc/X11/... > 1024/udp unknown (I am guessing this is with the kdm one) > -- Phil PGP/GPG Key: http://www.zionlth.org/~plhofmei/ wget -O - http://www.zionlth.org/~plhofmei/ | gpg --import
RE: Maildirs in Debian
> Maildir delivery has lots of advantages over mbox spools, but > the latter is the only standard. > > Almost all M*A's support both standards. My understanding was that the Maildir patches for the c-client libraries (affecting the UW imapd and Pine) were not very stable. Furthermore, as a longtime subscriber to the c-client discussion list, Mark Crispin hates Maildir. Mark's feelings may not have a bearing on the final decisions, I just include that as a datapoint. -- C. R. Oldham, Director of Technology NCA CASI Arizona State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] V:480-965-8703 F:480-965-9423
Maildirs in Debian
Hello! I just want to sense the environment about a to be proposed Debian policy change with respect to mail handling. Maildir delivery has lots of advantages over mbox spools, but the latter is the only standard. Almost all M*A's support both standards. It would be a big relieve, if one could chose either of them at some moment, and this choice would be recorded, let's say in /etc/default/maildelivery The M*A packages could sense this file and configure them accordingly, or refuse to install if they cannot work under the required delivery scheme. Best Regards, Jorge-León
Some more port closing questions
Thanks to all on the Portsentry issue I had a week ago. Along those same lines, I have two ports I cannot figure out (even looking through the LDP) on how to close or shut down their related services. They are as follows: 111/tcp sunrpc 111/udp sunrpc 113/tcp auth 1024/tcp kdm 1024/udp unknown (I am guessing this is with the kdm one) Advice appreciated, thanks in advance. --- Crawford The I.T.E.C. Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA (303) 604-2550 (voice) (866) 604-2550 (toll free) (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.itec-co.com
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Hello! On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 01:48:57PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: ... > What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the > Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars ... My personal experiences: Sendmail - cryptic macro language Exim - delightfull relieve from it Qmail - I learned finally what Email is, because I did not have to focus on implementation quirks and complexity. Qmail is lightweight and secure and until now has scaled to *any* machine I installed it. From 486 "home"-computers with dialup links to big mailservers. I use it now on all machines I manage, to simplify the configuration tasks. My recomendation, Gerrit Pape's unofficial binary packages: www.smarden.org/pape You can also download unix-ised versions of the documentation in .deb form there. > XX> A recurring comment in the mailing list moderators mailing > > list is that djb ignores a number of standards. Which > > aren't specified. > > Anyone here have any insight into what djb's failure-to-hew- > to-standards might be? Same thing as with Qmail. Learned it in one day (had never managed a DNS before), installed it and since then it works. My neighbourhood DNS's, (subdomains, secondaries) use Bind and it's pure trouble to maintain. There is a lot of information about djb supposedly to be non compliant, and what's the answers. Look at "www.djbdns.org" first, and then look at the "faqts" and Jonathan de Boyne Pollard's Frequently Given Answers. About License: Both programs are free to download and use. The redistribution in binary form is limited. In case of Qmail restricted to obey certain installation criteria. You can however do anything on your network with the software what you want. The programms are very small and compile in just no time. I spend less time in patching and recompiling Qmail then in installing other debian packages, and it can be done almost completly without shutting down the services. About having to DJB-anize the computer: DJB's programs have their own infrustructure, which is very clean and logical. It does not waste lot's of space and costs you only thre new top-level subdirectories: "service", "command" and "package", with which, by the way you have almost nothing to do anyway. I doubt that somebody can't bare with this today. --- Now about the initial question: Qmail supports virtual hosting natively. Qmail supports Maildir delivery natively. User managment goes via /etc/passwd or via .cdb databases LDAP user databases is a patch which can be found via www.qmail.org POP3 servers for Maildir databases are standard, as are IMAP (Courier). I have used both of them without problems. For mailing lists I use Mailman, although I do not have lots of users or traffic. Best Regards, Jorge-León
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 03:35, Craig Sanders wrote: > alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does and > more, with a lot less hassle. What about exim ? It is installed as standard by debian. I use exim. Is it worth switching ? Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions I.T. Consultant26/3 Annandale Street Tel: (0131) 558 9990 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edinburgh EH7 4AN Web: www.urbyte.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
> "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] me> Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the me> inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation me> and M4 doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. EvB> Which bet being safe? That it can eventually do what you EvB> want, given enough time and attention? Probably. [...] Hmm, it takes the insertion of a couple of lines and the creation of the map file (which you would have to anyway) to get virtual mail forwarding in sendmail. Covered in detail in the FAQ. It really isn't that hard. You don't even invoke M4 manually -- just run make or sendmailconfig under Debian to update everything. me> In my most humble opinion one ought not be running an ISP of me> any viable size if one has trouble getting sendmail to do me> what's needed. EvB> Ah, the old initiation-by-sendmail.cf idea. Well. I'd say EvB> that an administrator who has been through it probably has EvB> some stamina, and is able to grasp a certain level of EvB> complexity, but other than that, I wouldn't consider "willing EvB> and able to set up sendmail" a good criterium for knowing how EvB> to run an ISP. Oh that is not what I said. All I said was "if unable to get sendmail to do what's needed then probably unfit for the job" NOT "fit for the job if willing and able to deal with sendmail" I _agree_ with that last part of your paragraph, but it is not what I said! EvB> Grasping BGP, *SMTP*, DNS, HTTP, Unix and EvB> having some rudimentary knowledge about programming computers EvB> in general seem so much more important. [...] Yup, for the original question (virtual web + mail), I'd start by DNS, then http, SMTP in that order. cheers, BM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webalizer stopped running
Currently, for woody at least, it seems that this is done by a cron job located in /etc/cron.daily - Original Message - From: "Andrew P. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Debian-Isp" ; "Jeremy C. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: RE: webalizer stopped running > >>Tell us how and when webalizer is ran. > > That's the problem I can't figure out what makes webalizer run. I see a > logrotate script at midnight. The webpages and .png files have current dates > and are being updated daily. So webalizer *must* be running. But the stats > displayed stop at july 23. If I display "daily_usage_200207.png" only data > up until july 23 is displayed. > > http://stats.cshore.com/unix.cshore.com/usage_200207.html > > http://stats.cshore.com/unix.cshore.com/daily_usage_200207.png > > Andrew P. Kaplan > Network Administrator > CyberShore, Inc. > http://www.cshore.com > > > The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and > write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. > -- Alvin Toffler > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jeremy C. Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:34 PM > > To: Andrew P. Kaplan > > Cc: Debian-Isp > > Subject: Re: webalizer stopped running > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Andrew P. Kaplan wrote: > > > > > I having problem with webalizer since the ip address of my > > Apache server was > > > changed last week. Apache is rotating the logs, the logs have > > current dates. > > > But the website stats only show activity up to the day of OLD > > ip address. I > > > don't care if the last few days of July are lost. But I want > > August to start > > > correctly. > > > > Tell us how and when webalizer is ran. > > > > What happens when you manually run it (using the appropriate options)? > > > > Have you double-checked the log format? (And the logging locations?) > > > > If you have the logs, then nothing will be lost. > > > > Jeremy C. Reed > > echo '9,J8HD,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL > > PROTECTED]@5GBIELD54DL>@8L?:5GDEJ8LDG1' |\ > > sed ss,s50EBsg | tr 0-M 'p.wBt SgiIlxmLhan:o,erDsduv/cyP' > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.374 / Virus Database: 209 - Release Date: 7/9/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.374 / Virus Database: 209 - Release Date: 7/9/02 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: webalizer stopped running
>>Tell us how and when webalizer is ran. That's the problem I can't figure out what makes webalizer run. I see a logrotate script at midnight. The webpages and .png files have current dates and are being updated daily. So webalizer *must* be running. But the stats displayed stop at july 23. If I display "daily_usage_200207.png" only data up until july 23 is displayed. http://stats.cshore.com/unix.cshore.com/usage_200207.html http://stats.cshore.com/unix.cshore.com/daily_usage_200207.png Andrew P. Kaplan Network Administrator CyberShore, Inc. http://www.cshore.com The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. -- Alvin Toffler > -Original Message- > From: Jeremy C. Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:34 PM > To: Andrew P. Kaplan > Cc: Debian-Isp > Subject: Re: webalizer stopped running > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Andrew P. Kaplan wrote: > > > I having problem with webalizer since the ip address of my > Apache server was > > changed last week. Apache is rotating the logs, the logs have > current dates. > > But the website stats only show activity up to the day of OLD > ip address. I > > don't care if the last few days of July are lost. But I want > August to start > > correctly. > > Tell us how and when webalizer is ran. > > What happens when you manually run it (using the appropriate options)? > > Have you double-checked the log format? (And the logging locations?) > > If you have the logs, then nothing will be lost. > > Jeremy C. Reed > echo '9,J8HD,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL > PROTECTED]@5GBIELD54DL>@8L?:5GDEJ8LDG1' |\ > sed ss,s50EBsg | tr 0-M 'p.wBt SgiIlxmLhan:o,erDsduv/cyP' > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.374 / Virus Database: 209 - Release Date: 7/9/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.374 / Virus Database: 209 - Release Date: 7/9/02 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:10:42PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] Yes, but it's fun once in a while, isn't it ;-) > > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only > EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for > EvB> its amount of bugs and lack of security as well. > > What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its > recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent > vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at > http://www.sendmail.org/ ? No, but I argue that even though a lot of its problems may have been because of simple programming bugs, it has a design that's hard to get secure anyway. Doing *everything* by employing a /macro/ language (the .cf, I'm not talking about M4 here) to rewrite addresses, which may occasionally also be interpreted as files or programs is asking for trouble IMHO. As you say, it has taken a *lot* of time to bolt enough checks on it to make it at least reasonably secure. > Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the > inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4 > doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. Which bet being safe? That it can eventually do what you want, given enough time and attention? Probably. But that goes for most MTAs, and sendmail probably doesn't even score best as far as the time required to achieve a particular level of functionality goes. Really, other than its flexibility in *really* weird cases, I can see nothing that makes me even consider it above qmail. If qmail can't do what's needed for whatever reason, I'd look at Postfix first, and then perhaps at Exim, and then I'd think really hard if it's not a stupid idea I'm trying to do anyway, and *then* I'd see if Sendmail can do it. > In my most humble opinion one ought not be running an ISP of any > viable size if one has trouble getting sendmail to do what's needed. Ah, the old initiation-by-sendmail.cf idea. Well. I'd say that an administrator who has been through it probably has some stamina, and is able to grasp a certain level of complexity, but other than that, I wouldn't consider "willing and able to set up sendmail" a good criterium for knowing how to run an ISP. Grasping BGP, *SMTP*, DNS, HTTP, Unix and having some rudimentary knowledge about programming computers in general seem so much more important. If you do, you'll also have less trouble evaluating software on criteria other than "it's the standard", and "X says it works fine for him"... If those were the ones that matter most, we'd not be talking in a Debian forum but in windows-isps.msn.com. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]