RE: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
8=== I think Gates' second idea is more of a joke. He wants to require mail senders to offer cash to the recipient. The recipient would get the cash if they chose to open a message from an unknown sender. Potential customers would have to pay to send an inquiry to a company asking about an item the customer wishes to purchase. Spammers can easily say, Sure, I'll offer you fifty dollars to read my message. Just try to collect it from me. For this to be effective, the Internet mail system would have to be prepaid for each recipient per email when relaying messages from mail server to mail server. The sender would have to pay an upfront fee to be permitted to send mail. The sender's ISP would have to deduct this fee from the sender's account and be prepaid with every ISP through whom their clients correspond so that the receiving ISP's servers could debit the sending ISP's accounts. There would also have to be tracking methods to see when credits are owned for unopened messages. Im sure in Gates mind is control, what I suspect he wants is to be the middle man, the spammer hands money over to Gates so he can send valuble marketing information if the receiver accepts it, Gates takes a fat %. It would just be a matter of time before your email address was sold by Gates to a spammer I bet. Of course this would also leave Gates free to spam you directly as he feel like. This system assumes of course we want to use Gates's email system hello Exchange! I cant see such an idea taking off, ppl and companies already dont trust MS and passport. regards thing -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
On Sunday 29 June 2003 05:39, Gene Grimm wrote: Has anyone heard any details about Gates' new ideas on how to block spam? [...] First, he wants to create a challenge response scheme [...]This is what I fear: 3. Recipient's mail client downloads incoming message for analysis 4. Recipient's client does not recognize sender and sends 'challenge' Hmm. As far as I understood, it should be a thing between the MTAs, with the MUAs not being involved. But this would of course require the MTA to have a database of all recognised mail senders, which is really easy to do with a highly integrated mail system where the MTA does many MUA things, too, and the MUA is just a browser - much the way M$ is trying to load more and more functionality on the mail server and have the mail client be just a window that launches an explorer instance to display an activeX control to display the mail which of course helps locking the customer of such a system to the M$ platform ... I think Gates' second idea is more of a joke. He wants to require mail senders to offer cash to the recipient. The recipient would get the The idea to have email work the same way as the snail mail service is absolutely not new. But I guess now that the Big Bill has proposed it, it will be discussed again. The conclusion will probably be the same: since pretty much everybody can set up an email system, it will basically never work. The first ISP trying to require this for messages sent to his customers would be out of the market quite quickly. I guess this goes even for big names - how many customers would aol have after two weeks if 80% of the non-AOL Internet can't send mail to AOL? (look at history: how long did the various messaging systems like compuserve, fido, the old AOL, ... continue to live after integration with internet email has become the standard?) cheers -- vbi -- No good deed goes unpunished. pgp0.pgp Description: signature
RE: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 04:07, Jones, Steven wrote: It would just be a matter of time before your email address was sold by Gates to a spammer I bet. Too late. Have you tried opening a hotmail account and just leaving it for a few weeks. You will get spam in there even if you dont use that adress *anywhere* Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions Tel: 0845 644 4745 I.T. Consultant Edinburgh, Scotland Mob: 0773 980 3499 Web: www.urbyte.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
8=== I think Gates' second idea is more of a joke. He wants to require mail senders to offer cash to the recipient. The recipient would get the cash if they chose to open a message from an unknown sender. Potential customers would have to pay to send an inquiry to a company asking about an item the customer wishes to purchase. Spammers can easily say, Sure, I'll offer you fifty dollars to read my message. Just try to collect it from me. For this to be effective, the Internet mail system would have to be prepaid for each recipient per email when relaying messages from mail server to mail server. The sender would have to pay an upfront fee to be permitted to send mail. The sender's ISP would have to deduct this fee from the sender's account and be prepaid with every ISP through whom their clients correspond so that the receiving ISP's servers could debit the sending ISP's accounts. There would also have to be tracking methods to see when credits are owned for unopened messages. Im sure in Gates mind is control, what I suspect he wants is to be the middle man, the spammer hands money over to Gates so he can send valuble marketing information if the receiver accepts it, Gates takes a fat %. It would just be a matter of time before your email address was sold by Gates to a spammer I bet. Of course this would also leave Gates free to spam you directly as he feel like. This system assumes of course we want to use Gates's email system hello Exchange! I cant see such an idea taking off, ppl and companies already dont trust MS and passport. regards thing
Re: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
On Sunday 29 June 2003 05:39, Gene Grimm wrote: Has anyone heard any details about Gates' new ideas on how to block spam? [...] First, he wants to create a challenge response scheme [...]This is what I fear: 3. Recipient's mail client downloads incoming message for analysis 4. Recipient's client does not recognize sender and sends 'challenge' Hmm. As far as I understood, it should be a thing between the MTAs, with the MUAs not being involved. But this would of course require the MTA to have a database of all recognised mail senders, which is really easy to do with a highly integrated mail system where the MTA does many MUA things, too, and the MUA is just a browser - much the way M$ is trying to load more and more functionality on the mail server and have the mail client be just a window that launches an explorer instance to display an activeX control to display the mail which of course helps locking the customer of such a system to the M$ platform ... I think Gates' second idea is more of a joke. He wants to require mail senders to offer cash to the recipient. The recipient would get the The idea to have email work the same way as the snail mail service is absolutely not new. But I guess now that the Big Bill has proposed it, it will be discussed again. The conclusion will probably be the same: since pretty much everybody can set up an email system, it will basically never work. The first ISP trying to require this for messages sent to his customers would be out of the market quite quickly. I guess this goes even for big names - how many customers would aol have after two weeks if 80% of the non-AOL Internet can't send mail to AOL? (look at history: how long did the various messaging systems like compuserve, fido, the old AOL, ... continue to live after integration with internet email has become the standard?) cheers -- vbi -- No good deed goes unpunished. pgpNLqGoCB4ld.pgp Description: signature
RE: Bill Gates' ludicrous ideas to block spam
On Mon, 2003-06-30 at 04:07, Jones, Steven wrote: It would just be a matter of time before your email address was sold by Gates to a spammer I bet. Too late. Have you tried opening a hotmail account and just leaving it for a few weeks. You will get spam in there even if you dont use that adress *anywhere* Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions Tel: 0845 644 4745 I.T. Consultant Edinburgh, Scotland Mob: 0773 980 3499 Web: www.urbyte.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
