Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:55:32AM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Wed, Nov 28 2007, at 10:59 -0500, P Kapat wrote: Hi Elimar, On 11/27/07, Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 the mental interface of P Kapat told: [...] Similarly, I have tried different configurations for xorg.conf (from other distros and general googling) to mirror the LCD screen to a projector in clone mode - no results, hence I am here. I was adviced to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 Thanks for the link, it is indeed very helpful. Wish I had seen this link before going through all the trouble... I have bookmarked it now :) Or simply searching the archives of the xorg-driver-ati mailing list, with a Google search like: site:lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-ati/ your search pattern And just in case someone could use it: I didn't find the following via Google, but in the ati driver sources: It seems it's impossible to have the complete content of the LCD screen mirrored on an external monitor, as long as the LCD is switched on. So I do something like this to get the complete LCD content mirrored to an old VGA: xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60.0 xrandr --output LVDS --off After executing the first line, the LCD content is cloned partially to the VGA, i.e. about 10% of the LCD content is missing on the VGA screen. This is fixed as soon as I switch off the LCD with the 2nd line. AFAIK it's not necessary to switch off the LVDS. You just have to change it to the same resolution as the DVI-0 output. X automatically uses the smallest possible resolution which fits all displays. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi Elimar, On 11/27/07, Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 the mental interface of P Kapat told: [...] Similarly, I have tried different configurations for xorg.conf (from other distros and general googling) to mirror the LCD screen to a projector in clone mode - no results, hence I am here. I was adviced to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 Thanks for the link, it is indeed very helpful. Wish I had seen this link before going through all the trouble... I have bookmarked it now :) -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Wed, Nov 28 2007, at 10:59 -0500, P Kapat wrote: Hi Elimar, On 11/27/07, Elimar Riesebieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 the mental interface of P Kapat told: [...] Similarly, I have tried different configurations for xorg.conf (from other distros and general googling) to mirror the LCD screen to a projector in clone mode - no results, hence I am here. I was adviced to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 Thanks for the link, it is indeed very helpful. Wish I had seen this link before going through all the trouble... I have bookmarked it now :) Or simply searching the archives of the xorg-driver-ati mailing list, with a Google search like: site:lists.x.org/archives/xorg-driver-ati/ your search pattern And just in case someone could use it: I didn't find the following via Google, but in the ati driver sources: It seems it's impossible to have the complete content of the LCD screen mirrored on an external monitor, as long as the LCD is switched on. So I do something like this to get the complete LCD content mirrored to an old VGA: xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x1024 --rate 60.0 xrandr --output LVDS --off After executing the first line, the LCD content is cloned partially to the VGA, i.e. about 10% of the LCD content is missing on the VGA screen. This is fixed as soon as I switch off the LCD with the 2nd line. _ $ xrandr -q Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 2720 x 1024 LVDS connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 1440x960 59.9 + 1280x800 60.0 1280x768 60.0 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 640x48059.9 DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 300mm x 225mm 1280x1024 60.0* 1280x960 59.9 1280x800 60.0 1280x768 60.0 1024x768 85.0 84.9 75.1 70.1 60.0 800x60084.9 85.1 75.0 60.3 640x48085.0 84.6 75.0 60.0 59.9 720x40070.1 S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) _ I'm not sure I understand correctly what the author meant to indicate with the following. At any rate, IIRC, the two-liner above dawned to me after reading this: README.ati, excerpt: - In situations where the driver is to simultaneously display on both a panel and a CRT, the same image will be seen on both. In particular, this means the CRT must be able to synchronise with the timings of the panel's native resolution. This is quite evident when the panel has ``odd-ball'' dimensions, such as 1400x1050, a resolution not commonly possible on CRTs or projection equipment. Also, the display of independent images on the panel and CRT is not currently implemented, and might never be, pending resolution of the previous item. Caveat: If screen dimming is enabled here, via pbbcmd config onac_timedim 1800 then the screen on the switched off LCD is coming back partially/garbled, as soon as the LCD screen is getting dimmed (after ~ 3 mins. of inactivity ..) HTH Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 the mental interface of P Kapat told: [...] Similarly, I have tried different configurations for xorg.conf (from other distros and general googling) to mirror the LCD screen to a projector in clone mode - no results, hence I am here. I was adviced to have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 Very helpful! Elimar -- Alles was viel bedacht wird ist bedenklich!;-) Friedrich Nietzsche -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hello P, P Kapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 09:55 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: Note that hotplugging a monitor per se isn't expected to have any direct effect; something like xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto I don't actually need to do this, but if I do (note for my case: the output is VGA-0 instead of DVI-0: xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto), I get a higer resolution (1280x1024) external monitor display; where my iBook's LCD is 1024x768 max. This projects the iBook's LCD screen to the 1024x768 block on the upper-left corner of the 1280x1024 external monitor - resulting in empty-but-accessable strips on the right and bottoom edge of the external monitor. How do I get back to 1024x768 resolution on the external display? xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x786 Have a nice day, Jörg. -- Erfahrung heißt gar nichts. Man kann seine Sache auch 35 Jahre schlecht machen. (Kurt Tucholsky) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 13:17 -0500, P Kapat wrote:
On Nov 23, 2007 8:49 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hotplugging a VGA monitor to an alubook 5,8 with a fresh ati driver
works ... minor mouse isues, as of yet, but working :) ... details
below ..
I became a bit more adventurous and tried out the experimental ati
driver... Hotplugging a VGA monitor seems to work (on my iBook G4 -
powerbook 6,5) exactly as hotplugging should, that is without any
xrandr --output --DVI-0 --auto command - wow that is just insanely
cool
This is by accident though, not by intention - there's currently no
mechanism implemented to automatically enable/disable outputs on
hotplugging.
The low contrast issue that I had mentioned in my earlier
mail, is almost solved now, I can see the light colors fine - but it
is still not pleasing...
If you can't solve this, please bring it up on the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list.
On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 09:55 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
The kernel doesn't matter for this. With xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.7.19x
(so far only available in experimental), external displays with a VGA
connector should work with all Radeon {Power,i}Books. Displays with a
DVI connector can be trickier; depending on the PowerBook model and
driver version, Option MacModel powerbook or powerbook-duallink
may help for those.
For the iBook, I am using Option MacModel ibook ...
You shouldn't need it at all, iBooks should be autodetected now.
Autodetection isn't perfect for PowerBooks with DVI connectors yet
though, hence the above advice.
A load of warm greetings to all the coders on this.good work guys.
RandR 1.2 support in the radeon driver was mostly implemented by Dave
Airlie and Alex Deucher.
--
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Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi Jörg On Sun, Nov 25 2007, at 10:14 +, Jörg Sommer wrote: Hello P, P Kapat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I get back to 1024x768 resolution on the external display? xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x786 Ahhh, that 'mode' option - what it does, that is - was what I was missing when I was looking for it last night .. :) Thanks .. Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Thanks Jörg, On 11/25/07, Jörg Sommer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] bottoom edge of the external monitor. How do I get back to 1024x768 resolution on the external display? xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x786 Hey that works.. thanks.. -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi Michel, On 11/25/07, Michel Dänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 13:17 -0500, P Kapat wrote: I became a bit more adventurous and tried out the experimental ati driver... Hotplugging a VGA monitor seems to work (on my iBook G4 - powerbook 6,5) exactly as hotplugging should, that is without any xrandr --output --DVI-0 --auto command - wow that is just insanely cool This is by accident though, not by intention - there's currently no mechanism implemented to automatically enable/disable outputs on hotplugging. Well, a rare and pleasant accident then The low contrast issue that I had mentioned in my earlier mail, is almost solved now, I can see the light colors fine - but it is still not pleasing... If you can't solve this, please bring it up on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. hmm, i'll try this out for a while and see... For the iBook, I am using Option MacModel ibook ... You shouldn't need it at all, iBooks should be autodetected now. Autodetection isn't perfect for PowerBooks with DVI connectors yet though, hence the above advice. You are right, everything works fine even after removing the options line. I am not aware for these details, and I just found out about this option after some googling... Anyway this is even better... A load of warm greetings to all the coders on this.good work guys. RandR 1.2 support in the radeon driver was mostly implemented by Dave Airlie and Alex Deucher. Thanks to Dave and Alex on this. -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi, I have been playing around with my iBook G4, and here is the report: On 21 Nov 2007 20:39:43 GMT, Jack Malmostoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly, I'd go for Unstable: 1) You get Xorg 1.4 with Xrandr 1.2 support and the latest and greatest ati driver 2) You get the latest kernel and possibly the latest bcm43xx driver 3) Regressions have been reported about sleep, but 2.6.22 should be ok Following Jack's advise I upgraded (dist-upgrade) to unstable - which was not as smooth as I had expected, but that is beside the point now. (may be i'll take it up in a new thread). As a consequence I have Xorg 7.3, Xrandr 1.2, bcm43xx-fwcutter 006.3, pbbuttonsd 0.7.9-2 - AND finally some success. I can access WEP and WPA PSK encrypted networks, I am yet to try WPA2 Enterprise. I can set the machine go to sleep using the power button (due to pbbuttonsd?). On Nov 22, 2007 6:52 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attaching xorg.conf, working here on an alubook, and on a relatively fresh Debian unstable. The only problem I remember over the last time was a crash/machine-power-off, when I tried to put the machine to sleep via the powerbutton: In the meantime I believe that the reason for that that might be that pbbuttonsd perhaps wasn't up ... or something like that ... @Wolfgang: thanks for the file, but I couldn't see anything specific to a dual monitor setup (at least in clone mode) in there. I think I did not make my self clear - I was (and still am) looking for a xorg.conf with working-dual-display settings in it. But none-the-less your file was a good starting point. I added the mergedFB recomendations from Javier's (Orlando?) link http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/mergefb/ to have two sections each for Device, Monitor and Screen. The DVI - VGA out display is not entirely satsifactory. The image that I see on the external moonitor is extremely low on contrast and the colors are completely screwed. Anyting bold is nicely visible but the rest are all hazy, black is gray, none of the background colors (desktop/webpages) are displayed, anything in light colors is invisible. Even opensuse 10.3 had this problem too - which leads me to think that, this is specific to my hardware. Can any provide any tips on improvment? Let me know which kind of information will be helpful (xorg.conf / Xorg.log /...). -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hi,
On Nov 23, 2007 8:49 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hotplugging a VGA monitor to an alubook 5,8 with a fresh ati driver
works ... minor mouse isues, as of yet, but working :) ... details
below ..
I became a bit more adventurous and tried out the experimental ati
driver... Hotplugging a VGA monitor seems to work (on my iBook G4 -
powerbook 6,5) exactly as hotplugging should, that is without any
xrandr --output --DVI-0 --auto command - wow that is just insanely
cool The low contrast issue that I had mentioned in my earlier
mail, is almost solved now, I can see the light colors fine - but it
is still not pleasing...
On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 09:55 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 03:04 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
What I know is, that with xrandr 1.2 hotplugging a 2nd monitor to a
5.8 alubook doesn't do anything at all. Not out of the box, and not
here on unstable Debian with packages from a few days ago and kernel
2.6.18 ...
seems to do hotplugging on 2.6.22-3 that i got from unstable and
xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.196-1 from experimental. I am not sure if
the kernel plays any role at all...
The kernel doesn't matter for this. With xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.7.19x
(so far only available in experimental), external displays with a VGA
connector should work with all Radeon {Power,i}Books. Displays with a
DVI connector can be trickier; depending on the PowerBook model and
driver version, Option MacModel powerbook or powerbook-duallink
may help for those.
For the iBook, I am using Option MacModel ibook ...
Note that hotplugging a monitor per se isn't expected to have any direct
effect; something like
xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto
I don't actually need to do this, but if I do (note for my case: the
output is VGA-0 instead of DVI-0: xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto), I
get a higer resolution (1280x1024) external monitor display; where my
iBook's LCD is 1024x768 max. This projects the iBook's LCD screen to
the 1024x768 block on the upper-left corner of the 1280x1024 external
monitor - resulting in empty-but-accessable strips on the right and
bottoom edge of the external monitor. How do I get back to 1024x768
resolution on the external display?
This is what it obviously does:
--
$ xrandr -q ## MY OUTPUT:
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1280 x 1200
LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
245mm x 184mm
1024x768 60.0*+
800x60060.3
640x48059.9
VGA-0 connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y
axis) 376mm x 301mm
1280x1024 60.0 + 75.0 59.9
1280x960 59.9
1152x864 75.0 74.8
1024x768 75.1 70.1 60.0*
832x62474.6
800x60072.2 75.0 60.3 56.2
640x48075.0 72.8 66.7 60.0
720x40070.1
S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
--
All I did - after installing xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.7.196-1 - was
adding a single extra line to the xorg.conf that I attached to a
message earlier in this thread:
thanks Wolfgang, I did the same, and your original xorg.conf file
worked nicely here.
diff -u xorg.conf xorg.conf.07.11.23
--- xorg.conf 2007-11-23 11:50:29.0 +0100
+++ xorg.conf.07.11.23 2007-11-23 11:48:08.0 +0100
@@ -96,7 +96,6 @@
Identifier ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000]
Driver ati
BusID PCI:0:16:0
- Option MacModel powerbook
Option UseFBDev true
Option AGPSize 16
Option AGPMode 4
and restarting X.
As I mentioned - Option MacModel iBook -
instead of powerbook here.
Oh yes: and
xrandr --output DVI-0 --off
switches the attached VGA off ... the alubook screen is shaking a bit
for ~ half a sec, but it works.
i don't get any 'shakes' as such but it seems to 'refresh'. BTW, i do
get my bit of 'shake' for ~ 1 sec when ibook actually boots - artifact
of all debian installations on my machine, did not happen with
kubuntu/opensuse.
Sidenotes:
Since installing the new driver some artifacts are visible around the
mouse-pointer in its default arrow image ... Please let me know if
a photo from that might help ...
for once, thankfully, i didn't see this issue on my end.
A load of warm greetings to all the coders on this.good work guys.
--
Regards
PK
--
http://counter.li.org #402424
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Sat, Nov 24 2007, at 03:20 -0500, P Kapat wrote: @Wolfgang: thanks for the file, but I couldn't see anything specific to a dual monitor setup (at least in clone mode) in there. I think I did not make my self clear - My bad: You clearly wrote of an xorg.conf for clone mode. Attached is an xorg.conf I probably was using for display cloning for a few tests last year. I hope it helps ... but no guarantees ... :) As indicated earlier here: Please note that this cumbersome method isn't needed anymore. With the fresh ati driver from experimental that I mentioned in this thread display cloning should be much easier. And if my lousy memory doesn't serve me too badly even the technical advantages of the new driver supersede the old method via the attached xorg.conf by far. I was (and still am) looking for a xorg.conf with working-dual-display settings in it. But none-the-less your file was a good starting point. I added the mergedFB recomendations from Javier's (Orlando?) link http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/mergefb/ to have two sections each for Device, Monitor and Screen. The DVI - VGA out display is not entirely satsifactory. The image that I see on the external moonitor is extremely low on contrast and the colors are completely screwed. Anyting bold is nicely visible but the rest are all hazy, black is gray, none of the background colors (desktop/webpages) are displayed, anything in light colors is invisible. See? Does this seem to confirm what I said above on the new driver superseding etc. etc. ... ? As a sidenote - and please forgive me if you already know that - if you run Debian testing/unstable/experimental and if you have some second computer with Linux on it, I'd set up ssh for both machines: If your unstable system crashes - which can happen, especially on X - in many cases you might still be able to login to a it via ssh from a second computer and shut it down cleanly ... Such crashes do not happen too often on my system. But if it does I'm always glad to have a second Linux machine for a little ssh walk on the crashed computer .. :) Good luck! Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on # xorg.conf.dpkg-new (Xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf.dpkg-new manual page. # (Type man xorg.conf.dpkg-new at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Section Files # see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7: # FontPath unix/:7100# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi:unscaled # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/truetype FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module LoadGLcore Loadi2c Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadtype1 Loadv4l Loadvbe Loadevdev EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel macintosh Option XkbLayout de Option XkbVariantnodeadkeys Option XkbOptionslv3:lwin_switch EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons false Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On 11/24/07, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bad: You clearly wrote of an xorg.conf for clone mode. Attached is an xorg.conf I probably was using for display cloning for a few tests last year. I hope it helps ... but no guarantees ... :) Thanks for the file - I'll keep this in my collection (hopefully I'll not need it !!). As you might have seen from my last mail, I took my chance with the new ati driver from experimental - and that seems to perform much better and is more user friendly. So, I am sticking with the experimental driver for now. Such crashes do not happen too often on my system. But if it does I'm always glad to have a second Linux machine for a little ssh walk on the crashed computer .. :) Good advice. I do have another machine running Linux so that surely helps out a lot. -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 03:04 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
What I know is, that with xrandr 1.2 hotplugging a 2nd monitor to a
5.8 alubook doesn't do anything at all. Not out of the box, and not
here on unstable Debian with packages from a few days ago and kernel
2.6.18 ...
The kernel doesn't matter for this. With xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.7.19x
(so far only available in experimental), external displays with a VGA
connector should work with all Radeon {Power,i}Books. Displays with a
DVI connector can be trickier; depending on the PowerBook model and
driver version, Option MacModel powerbook or powerbook-duallink
may help for those.
Note that hotplugging a monitor per se isn't expected to have any direct
effect; something like
xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto
is required explicitly in order to enable the external display.
--
Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://tungstengraphics.com
Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Nov 23, 2007 2:54 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Sidenotes: Since installing the new driver some artifacts are visible around the mouse-pointer in its default arrow image ... Please let me know if This last line should have been saying: mouse-pointer on X in its default arrow image [ ... ] a photo from that might help ... And the mouse is completely gone on the console .. haven't had time, yet, to google/explore that ... Try adding a line Option SWcursor on in Section Device of your xorg.conf. Bin Sorry Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hotplugging a VGA monitor to an alubook 5,8 with a fresh ati driver
works ... minor mouse isues, as of yet, but working :) ... details
below ..
On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 09:55 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 03:04 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
What I know is, that with xrandr 1.2 hotplugging a 2nd monitor to a
5.8 alubook doesn't do anything at all. Not out of the box, and not
here on unstable Debian with packages from a few days ago and kernel
2.6.18 ...
The kernel doesn't matter for this. With xserver-xorg-video-ati 6.7.19x
(so far only available in experimental), external displays with a VGA
connector should work with all Radeon {Power,i}Books. Displays with a
DVI connector can be trickier; depending on the PowerBook model and
driver version, Option MacModel powerbook or powerbook-duallink
may help for those.
Note that hotplugging a monitor per se isn't expected to have any direct
effect; something like
xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto
Thanks for the one-liner above: works like a charm here, and out of
the box, with an about 9 years old VGA monitor, connected to an
alubook 5,8, and with an ATI driver from experimental that you
mentioned.
This is what it obviously does:
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$ xrandr -q
Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 1024, maximum 1440 x 1200
LVDS connected 1440x960+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 321mm x
214mm
1440x960 59.9*+
1280x800 60.0
1280x768 60.0
1024x768 60.0
800x60060.3
640x48059.9
DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 300mm
x 225mm
1280x1024 60.0*
1280x960 59.9
1280x800 60.0
1280x768 60.0
1024x768 85.0 84.9 75.1 70.1 60.0
800x60084.9 85.1 75.0 60.3
640x48085.0 84.6 75.0 60.0 59.9
720x40070.1
S-video disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
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All I did - after installing xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.7.196-1 - was
adding a single extra line to the xorg.conf that I attached to a
message earlier in this thread:
diff -u xorg.conf xorg.conf.07.11.23
--- xorg.conf 2007-11-23 11:50:29.0 +0100
+++ xorg.conf.07.11.23 2007-11-23 11:48:08.0 +0100
@@ -96,7 +96,6 @@
Identifier ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000]
Driver ati
BusID PCI:0:16:0
- Option MacModel powerbook
Option UseFBDev true
Option AGPSize 16
Option AGPMode 4
and restarting X.
As to 'xrandr -q' from above:
Ladies and Gentlemen, please note that the correct values of the
connected VGA (1280x1024, at 60 Hz, IINM) are correctly and automagically
detected, without xorg.conf knowing anything of them ...
It's a DDC 1/2B VGA, meaning, IINM, that this beast automatically
communicates its technical capabilities to its host system. And
outside it reads Compaq, but IIRC a Hyundai is actually inside ...
Oh yes: and
xrandr --output DVI-0 --off
switches the attached VGA off ... the alubook screen is shaking a bit
for ~ half a sec, but it works.
is required explicitly in order to enable the external display.
I call it hotplugging anyway ... :)
Sidenotes:
Since installing the new driver some artifacts are visible around the
mouse-pointer in its default arrow image ... Please let me know if
a photo from that might help ...
And the mouse is completely gone on the console .. haven't had time,
yet, to google/explore that ...
Oh yes, and this: about 3 from 10 Xserver restarts from the KDE/KDM
login screen fail here, with e.g. the login desktop image melting into
some unformed psychedelic colors - I remember having had this previous
times when booting the machine .. like then it can be fixed now by
simply putting the machine to sleep, and waking it again, as it seems
...
Now let's see now how I can connect my telly via the S-composite
connector to this computer ... :)
No sidenote:
All that is real fine progress, Michel.
So last, but most certainly not least thanks to everyone who made all
this possible, among them
Rickard E. (Rik) Faith
Kevin E. Martin
Alan Hourihane
Marc Aurele La France
Benjamin Herrenschmidt
Michel Dänzer
Alex Deucher
Bogdan D.
Eric Anholt
Please let me know if you need some testing for this driver, be it on
an older TiBook IV, or the alubook 5,8.
Now I need breakfast, at last ... :)
'later
Best Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Sidenotes: Since installing the new driver some artifacts are visible around the mouse-pointer in its default arrow image ... Please let me know if This last line should have been saying: mouse-pointer on X in its default arrow image [ ... ] a photo from that might help ... And the mouse is completely gone on the console .. haven't had time, yet, to google/explore that ... Sorry Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Fri, Nov 23 2007, at 14:49 +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: No sidenote: All that is real fine progress, Michel. So last, but most certainly not least thanks to everyone who made all this possible, among them Rickard E. (Rik) Faith Kevin E. Martin Alan Hourihane Marc Aurele La France Benjamin Herrenschmidt Michel Dänzer Alex Deucher Bogdan D. Eric Anholt The persons above obviously are those being responsible for 'man radeon' Please see the coders' names in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-ati/changelog.gz They definitely deserve your look into it ... Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Wed, Nov 21 2007, at 23:22 -0500, P Kapat wrote: [ ... ] I have been playing around with xorg.conf in the past. Could you be kind enough to provide a working xorg.conf - so that I can start from there... Thanks, Attaching xorg.conf, working here on an alubook, and on a relatively fresh Debian unstable. The only problem I remember over the last time was a crash/machine-power-off, when I tried to put the machine to sleep via the powerbutton: In the meantime I believe that the reason for that that might be that pbbuttonsd perhaps wasn't up ... or something like that ... cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 7447A, altivec supported clock : 1666.666000MHz revision: 0.5 (pvr 8003 0105) bogomips: 33.15 timebase: 832 platform: PowerMac machine : PowerBook5,8 motherboard : PowerBook5,8 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh detected as : 287 (PowerBook G4 15) pmac flags : 0019 L2 cache: 512K unified pmac-generation : NewWorld Good luck! Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on # xorg.conf.dpkg-new (Xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf.dpkg-new manual page. # (Type man xorg.conf.dpkg-new at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg # package. # # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated # again, run the following commands as root: # # cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.custom # md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg-new /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.dpkg-new.md5sum # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Section Files # see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7: # FontPath unix/:7100# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi:unscaled # FontPath/usr/share/fonts/truetype FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType EndSection Section Module Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loaddri Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadtype1 Loadv4l Loadvbe Loadevdev EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver kbd Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules xorg Option XkbModel macintosh Option XkbLayout de Option XkbVariantnodeadkeys Option XkbOptionslv3:lwin_switch EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Configured Mouse Driver mouse Option CorePointer Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol ImPS/2 Option Emulate3Buttons false Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Synaptics Touchpad Driver synaptics Option SendCoreEventstrue Option Device/dev/input/mice Option Protocol auto-dev Option LeftEdge 0 Option RightEdge 850 Option TopEdge 0 Option BottomEdge645 Option MinSpeed 0.4 Option MaxSpeed 1 Option AccelFactor 0.02 Option FingerLow 55 Option FingerHigh60 Option MaxTapMove20 Option MaxTapTime100 Option HorizScrollDelta 0 Option VertScrollDelta 30 Option SHMConfig on EndSection Section Device Identifier ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon R250 Lf [FireGL 9000] Driver ati BusID PCI:0:16:0
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
You can check this site. It helped me a lot. http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/mergefb/ I hope it helps. Orlando. On Nov 22, 2007 5:52 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 21 2007, at 23:22 -0500, P Kapat wrote: [ ... ] I have been playing around with xorg.conf in the past. Could you be kind enough to provide a working xorg.conf - so that I can start from there... Thanks, Attaching xorg.conf, working here on an alubook, and on a relatively fresh Debian unstable. The only problem I remember over the last time was a crash/machine-power-off, when I tried to put the machine to sleep via the powerbutton: In the meantime I believe that the reason for that that might be that pbbuttonsd perhaps wasn't up ... or something like that ... cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 7447A, altivec supported clock : 1666.666000MHz revision: 0.5 (pvr 8003 0105) bogomips: 33.15 timebase: 832 platform: PowerMac machine : PowerBook5,8 motherboard : PowerBook5,8 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh detected as : 287 (PowerBook G4 15) pmac flags : 0019 L2 cache: 512K unified pmac-generation : NewWorld Good luck! Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- --- Javier O. Ramírez Martínez Key fingerprint = CBFD AEC9 E7F9 C726 03BF 3D85 7B9E 47A7 EB84 70D4 linux.mty.itesm.mx/~oramirez
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Thu, Nov 22 2007, at 09:24 -0600, Javier Ramirez wrote: You can check this site. It helped me a lot. http://ozlabs.org/~jk/docs/mergefb/ Thanks for this - but IINM this should be dated now: I just realized that hotplugging monitors is possible now with xorg 7.3: http://budlite.blogspot.com/2007/09/hotplugging-secondary-display-on-linux.html Perhaps on Debian we need packages from experimental for this to work - I don't know. What I know is, that with xrandr 1.2 hotplugging a 2nd monitor to a 5.8 alubook doesn't do anything at all. Not out of the box, and not here on unstable Debian with packages from a few days ago and kernel 2.6.18 ... Whatever. I'll have a look into this tomorrow .. Thanks again Best Regards Wolfgang -- Wolfgang Pfeiffer: /ICQ: 286585973/ + + + /AIM: crashinglinux/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer Key: 0xE3037113 http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?search=0xE3037113fingerprint=on -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Hello list, Greetings. I am a debian user since few years now. But relatively a new linux-on-powerpc user. I hope my questions are appropriate to this list, otherwise plz let me know. My current setup: Machine: iBook G4: $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 cpu : 7447A, altivec supported clock : 1199.999000MHz revision: 0.2 (pvr 8003 0102) bogomips: 73.47 timebase: 18432000 platform: PowerMac machine : PowerBook6,5 motherboard : PowerBook6,5 MacRISC3 Power Macintosh detected as : 287 (iBook G4) pmac flags : 001b L2 cache: 512K unified pmac-generation : NewWorld OS : Etch 4.0r1 (2.6.18-5) dual booted with OSX 10.3.9 Does not work -[1]- DVI out (clone mode) to external projector -[2]- wireless (using bcm43xx-fwcutter?) Partially works -[3]- suspend-to-ram using Gnome when closing the lid Cannot verify -[4]- modem to connect over a telephone line (don't care for this, as of now) What I am hoping to achieve (with help from this list): working [1] and [2] - really need them, not so much for [3] and [4] - can do without them. Ok, now to the details... I have tried Kubuntu (7.04, 7.10), openSUSE 10.3, Debian Lenny on this machine: [2] works (both WEP and WPA enc networks) on Kubuntu 7.10, [1], [2] (WEP only) [3] (using KDE's kpowersave) works on Kubuntu 7.04, [1] partially worked on suse. I could never get a satisfactory state for [1] and [2] on the same installation. Both Kubuntu and openSUSE are bloated and slow, in contrast, Etch is sufficiently snappy. So here are the questions: 1. Is it possible to achieve [1] and [2] (for WPA enc) on Etch (may be using backports too) or do I have to break my system to a hochpoch of testing-unstable-experimental? I was browsing the list and saw a few threads on new ati/radeon driver, appletouch, etc... 2. If so (or otherwise) any pointers (links to older threads/fresh comments) on how to achieve them? It is not that I haven't dirtied my fingers, but just that I don't have much time now to handle a testing-unstable-experimental mix. Also, I have already tried few things to get [1],[2],[3] working and failed at one or the other... Btw, (is this a bug?) the default installation of bcm43xx-fwcutter tries to download the firmware (wl_aspta.o) from http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_aspta.o which doesn't exist anymore (may be it existed earlier). It can be obtained from http://xeve.de/down/wl_aspta.o (got this from Kubuntu 7.10) - which I used to cut the firmwares - so that the hardware is recognized but neiter works on WEP nor WPA networks. Similarly, I have tried different configurations for xorg.conf (from other distros and general googling) to mirror the LCD screen to a projector in clone mode - no results, hence I am here. Any help is much appreciated guys. And it feels good to see that Debian developers are eager to keep the ppc port moving ahead, unlike other distros (fedora, ubunutu, suse, mandriva) which are neglecting it and have either discarded it already already will do so soon. -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:50:08 +0100, P Kapat wrote: 1. Is it possible to achieve [1] and [2] (for WPA enc) on Etch (may be using backports too) or do I have to break my system to a hochpoch of testing-unstable-experimental? Honestly, I'd go for Unstable: 1) You get Xorg 1.4 with Xrandr 1.2 support and the latest and greatest ati driver 2) You get the latest kernel and possibly the latest bcm43xx driver 3) Regressions have been reported about sleep, but 2.6.22 should be ok 4) For that you need to visit linuxant.com and purchase their driver. They have a limited speed trial version. If you want to stay with Etch, for 1) I remember I got the external video using MergedFB. -- Best Regards, Jack Linux User #264449 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux on AMD64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting wireless and dvi out (clone mode) to work on iBook G4 - help needed, plz
Thanks for the reply Jack., appreciate it. On 21 Nov 2007 20:39:43 GMT, Jack Malmostoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:50:08 +0100, P Kapat wrote: 1. Is it possible to achieve [1] and [2] (for WPA enc) on Etch (may be using backports too) or do I have to break my system to a hochpoch of testing-unstable-experimental? Honestly, I'd go for Unstable: 1) You get Xorg 1.4 with Xrandr 1.2 support and the latest and greatest ati driver snip If you want to stay with Etch, for 1) I remember I got the external video using MergedFB. I have been playing around with xorg.conf in the past. Could you be kind enough to provide a working xorg.conf - so that I can start from there... Thanks, -- Regards PK -- http://counter.li.org #402424 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
