Re: Debian Stable server hacked

2003-08-23 Thread Steve Suehring
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 10:14:24AM +0100, Dale Amon wrote:
 Does anyone know when a grsec patch set will be available for 2.6.0t3
 or know of one updated to work with 2.4.22rc2?
 
 Yeah, I know, they are still experimental...

This would be a great question posed to the GrSecurity forum, 
http://forums.grsecurity.net/ and in fact there's a thread on there 
already about it.  Their forums are excellent.

Steve


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Re: Looking for a simple SSL-CA package

2003-08-23 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 01:04:54PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:56:30PM +0200, Tarjei Huse wrote:
 
  I'm no expert on handling certificates and I hope not having to learn 
  all the commandline switches of openssl by heart. However, I do need a 
  simple setup of a CA that I may use for creating selfsigned 
  certificates, webpages that clients may use to import the certificates 
  and also a way to organize certificare revocationlists etc.
 
 You don't need a CA to create self-signed certificates (by definition there
 is no CA involved if the certificate is self-signed).

Perhaps I just misinterpret the terminology, but I've had the
impression that every certificate should be signed, so should the
root of the tree too.  Since they sit at the top of the hierarchy
they must be self signed.  Am I missing something?

bit,
adam

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Re: Debian Stable server hacked

2003-08-23 Thread Dale Amon
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:35:37PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 at 10:32:27AM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
  It is often the case that the attacker doesn't know the exact location of
  structures in memory; there are techniques for finding out.  I'm sure that
  the authors of PaX do not misrepresent it as complete protection.
  
  It's pointless to argue about it; it's clear that PaX provides some value in
  protection against security vulnerabilities, and I think it's also clear
  that because it will break many existing applications, it is not suitable
  for use by default.  But there is no reason why a PaX-enabled kernel could
  not be provided as an option.  All it needs is someone willing to do the
  work (hint, hint).
 
 I would be willing to maintain a grsec kernel image with PaX and temp.
 file symlink blocking if someone would be willing to sponsor it (hint,
 hint)

Does anyone know when a grsec patch set will be available for 2.6.0t3
or know of one updated to work with 2.4.22rc2?

Yeah, I know, they are still experimental...



Re: Debian Stable server hacked

2003-08-23 Thread Steve Suehring
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 10:14:24AM +0100, Dale Amon wrote:
 Does anyone know when a grsec patch set will be available for 2.6.0t3
 or know of one updated to work with 2.4.22rc2?
 
 Yeah, I know, they are still experimental...

This would be a great question posed to the GrSecurity forum, 
http://forums.grsecurity.net/ and in fact there's a thread on there 
already about it.  Their forums are excellent.

Steve



Re: Looking for a simple SSL-CA package

2003-08-23 Thread Adam ENDRODI
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 01:04:54PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:56:30PM +0200, Tarjei Huse wrote:
 
  I'm no expert on handling certificates and I hope not having to learn 
  all the commandline switches of openssl by heart. However, I do need a 
  simple setup of a CA that I may use for creating selfsigned 
  certificates, webpages that clients may use to import the certificates 
  and also a way to organize certificare revocationlists etc.
 
 You don't need a CA to create self-signed certificates (by definition there
 is no CA involved if the certificate is self-signed).

Perhaps I just misinterpret the terminology, but I've had the
impression that every certificate should be signed, so should the
root of the tree too.  Since they sit at the top of the hierarchy
they must be self signed.  Am I missing something?

bit,
adam

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Re: Looking for a simple SSL-CA package

2003-08-23 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 07:38:25PM +0200, Adam ENDRODI wrote:
 Perhaps I just misinterpret the terminology, but I've had the
 impression that every certificate should be signed, so should the
 root of the tree too.  Since they sit at the top of the hierarchy
 they must be self signed.  Am I missing something?

Nope, you've pretty much got it.  At some point in the tree, you need to
trust a key.  It's not that hard to establish trust for one key, but
it's very hard to establish trust for all keys.  Thus, you establish
trust in the certificate authority and trust keys signed by it.

If you don't want to run your own certificate authority or pay a
commercial one to sign your key, and you don't have a lot of
certificates to deal with, you can have each key simply be self-signed,
which I believe is what's being recommended here.

noah



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