Re: the frustrated administrivia and misdirection hose lacks any abatement visible to mortals
Hi Drake, On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 01:32:08PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > Lacking any obvious way to talk to the security team without potentially > > making my > > message look more urgent than it was, I leave it to whoever else can > > navigate the > > Debian social structure to take it up in the most appropriate manner. I've > > absolutely run > > out of nerves for having to clear this garbage out of my mailpile, so I'm > > done here. > > Two of the security team members responded to the bug report: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#25 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#20 > > So the only thing that needs doing now is for the listmasters to > implement the suggestions. after I read all the quoted above, I was sceptical when I opened https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113 but after having read that too, I just want to say "thanks" and "kudos" to you. As explained by Moritz the current behavior is mostly historic and often it's not easy to change such historic things. It seems to me that you managed to make a good+doable proposal *and* put it at right place(!) so I'm looking forward to an implementation of your proposal now. Yay! -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: the frustrated administrivia and misdirection hose lacks any abatement visible to mortals
On 5/24/16, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Drake Wilson wrote: > >> Lacking any obvious way to talk to the security team without potentially >> making my >> message look more urgent than it was, I leave it to whoever else can >> navigate the >> Debian social structure to take it up in the most appropriate manner. >> I've absolutely run >> out of nerves for having to clear this garbage out of my mailpile, so I'm >> done here. > > Two of the security team members responded to the bug report: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#25 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#20 > > So the only thing that needs doing now is for the listmasters to > implement the suggestions. A very... unscientific.. and unhumble.. observation from years of web surfing since 1994 is that I've only seen something of this type and magnitude one other time. It occurred over at W3C (World Wide Web Consortium). I mostly remember that because I remember making some kind of observation about that instance a few years ago now.. This feels rather... "organized". In the other instance, the organized effort was about getting web domains listed in permanent W3C archives that are searched by crawlers (spiders). Here, though, I don't know. It's not about domains this time. It's interesting it's going after Debian's security list(s). Like it's somehow trying to send a message that Debian's being bailed on related to that topic... Wandering off now wondering out loud... the percentage of people who have contacted the list in the manner that prompted this particular thread. Is that a normal unsubscribe ratio compared to all other Debian lists? Yes, I "get it", I understand that this scenario is that it's about a list redirect that some are not catching But a notable some of those some... are tech savvy enough to know how to read email headers to snag the unsubscribe email address regardless of any given listserv's setup. That's the first place they go before then exhausting other options (e.g. a list's homepage) bearing that info. Most unhumbly, the number posting publicly here indicating they do not know that technique... sure seems mathematically unordinary for lists of this caliber. Really wandering off now Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape *
Re: the frustrated administrivia and misdirection hose lacks any abatement visible to mortals
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Drake Wilson wrote: > Lacking any obvious way to talk to the security team without potentially > making my > message look more urgent than it was, I leave it to whoever else can navigate > the > Debian social structure to take it up in the most appropriate manner. I've > absolutely run > out of nerves for having to clear this garbage out of my mailpile, so I'm > done here. Two of the security team members responded to the bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#25 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=821113#20 So the only thing that needs doing now is for the listmasters to implement the suggestions. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
Re: the frustrated administrivia and misdirection hose lacks any abatement visible to mortals
On Mon, May 23, 2016, at 14:21, K & K Ruzicka-Eigenbauer wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE Coming back to the horribly irritating and persistent flood of this---I filed #821113 a month ago about this, but the listmasters said I should ask the security team instead, since they set the policy for their own lists. Lacking any obvious way to talk to the security team without potentially making my message look more urgent than it was, I leave it to whoever else can navigate the Debian social structure to take it up in the most appropriate manner. I've absolutely run out of nerves for having to clear this garbage out of my mailpile, so I'm done here. ---> Drake Wilson