Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 11:20 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be unreasonable. > In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine > that > *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably > cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due > to any one of its many ailments. Meh, it's still not that easy to get such hardware on eBay for that price, at least not in Europe. I would also still consider 50 Euros not to much for shipping. > You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the > software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which > also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) Yeah, sure. But anyway, we will probably not need schroeder and lebrun anyway. However, if there are any useful hardware components in them that are hard to get by, it would still be great to keep them. In any case, we have several people who have offered hosted SPARC machines for Debian SPARC now as well as a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on SPARC. Thus, I already sent a request to the Debian FTP and buildd teams as well as Aurelien Jarno to get 'sparc' added to Debian Ports. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:25 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on SPARC That seems surprising, do you have a reference for this? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 10:31 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are > not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation > that says so? Yes, but they are in Croatia and shipping 31.5 kg from Croatia to Germany costs approximately 40-50 Euros and not 500 something as you claimed. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:25:10AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 10/14/2015 11:20 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > > I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be > > unreasonable. > > In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine > > that > > *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably > > cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due > > to any one of its many ailments. > > Meh, it's still not that easy to get such hardware on eBay for that > price, at least not in Europe. I would also still consider 50 Euros > not to much for shipping. > > > You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the > > software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which > > also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) > > Yeah, sure. But anyway, we will probably not need schroeder and lebrun > anyway. However, if there are any useful hardware components in them > that are hard to get by, it would still be great to keep them. ISTR they're run-off-the-mill Fire V240s. OTOH perhaps this is a simple indicator why the port has been dying - if it takes a non-trivial amount of money to get a long-obsolete, over a decade old machine, it's not going to attract a lot of people. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/14/2015 11:33 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:25 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > wrote: > >> a team at Oracle which is still actively supporting Linux on >> SPARC > > That seems surprising, do you have a reference for this? Sure: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2015/10/msg00012.html - -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWHiJBAAoJEHQmOzf1tfkTYZYP/j/xh9Cev8nQXmO/FisDpxg9 AK7MzhORhZfN9wygbGreYkEOuRO9zq2DX4IxSoPXfoqyrmMnfrPJgGhs2PVCTlLR dJrjPVj5cqlre09NKozuDlaXes2o1gWrgPFbsYmOoAz/3wXrwSH55VoSZwFJ3ioI LFxSpL55kQVvPh4fQP0waJ0baa6JxLLDh16aDyK12MKAhiDTAFzEDBeKRolwnOLD X5YRLuq+mPOE1sXLjxE1EFgXtbrViOJUf2eorPVGpDSkgxTqG7PZm1KpedZ3w7/W QPjpzMEwUtA8/yYb9BDQmsnV8Iq4muI2fCE4gxJ0oNZjQHHxkMyjo2/+w4Lqw29o 9aCgm34fJRHyoI2rePgb/xWNizODdSG513yTTKF6qcUzN1/6X4QJmqjlW/OT4qT0 /exP6bBqpN9XnMxYBxxURSowNTd0F0nZAXp/EVSnHkckNqRAOZNSzoEcfotJu8kj J/E6O9oL/wD+spGxy2UtD/c6KjhM0w2HW4j8zcJ+hEKaBsKEFzzxkWN1pBV1o/6N zhFyERiQTfSvH61IHnYNdPqvh8sgpRyRoCqTUuOvkhFeRYR0LLWVs0Lkx5HIst/a pXluDIvT3106Xd+My9utYmkc0ewg4AMOoI9JUVmfBgxVbFDShtzQKRCkpWXeaWMI pMB6rQ+zw69yx6HakcG9 =+Yp7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On 10/14/2015 11:56 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > OTOH perhaps this is a simple indicator why the port has been dying - if it > takes a non-trivial amount of money to get a long-obsolete, over a decade > old machine, it's not going to attract a lot of people. The reactions to my survey regarding the resurrection of the sparc port on debian-sparc have been thoroughly positive. There are many users interested in getting the port back into shape. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:04:23AM +0900, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > The cost of shipping depends on from where to where you ship them, obviously. > > You can ship up to 31.5 kg within Germany for just 13.99 EUR. As long as you > don't have to ship acres the pond, it shouldn't be too expensive. Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation that says so? -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 11:37 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Sure: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2015/10/msg00012.html Wow, great news :) -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: schroeder and lebrun EOL - decomission
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:35:58AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 10/14/2015 10:31 AM, Josip Rodin wrote: > > Which is entirely irrelevant to this case because schroeder and lebrun are > > not in Germany, and someone already posted links to the online documentation > > that says so? > > Yes, but they are in Croatia and shipping 31.5 kg from Croatia to > Germany costs approximately 40-50 Euros and not 500 something > as you claimed. I didn't claim that, I just said the shipping cost range can be unreasonable. In fact, I would say even 40-50 EUR is entirely unreasonable for a machine that *maybe* costs that much now, and which is so battered that it will probably cost 0 EUR by the time it's rebooted once again - when it finally fails due to any one of its many ailments. You don't need the specific hardware, the only thing of value on it is the software, and you can have DSA rsync everything from the old machines, which also costs 0 EUR if we ignore man-hours :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness.
