Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
I was using it as simply a second workstation while my main workstation was down, and one that my girlfriend could use while I had my laptop and tablet with me. However, I wouldn't mind putting it to more well-deserved uses, like an LDAP server, backup server, db server, etc. So, I was wondering what all the sparc experts out there think an Ultra 5 would be well suited for :) I was using one as a management box until recently - installed Sarge and nagios - it was plenty fast enough for the job. I have also used one as a slave DNS/Mail server. In the case of a backup server, I have a connor raid box I was considering connecting, but I think the hardware limitation on this particular box is 12GB, so it might not be worthwhile (I do some dv editing on my main machine, so I have several hundred GB's of data). The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap these days, and attach an external drive. Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7 or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-) The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make wonderful development boxes too... HTH. Cheers, Pete.
Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
I'd like to add my own good experience using Debian 3.1 on Ultra5s; both 333 and 400 Mhz models perform wonderfully well as web servers using PHP/Mysql and/or Postgresql. One negative point though: I found switching to a non-English keyboard to be somewhat tricky and leading to an unpredictable and undocumented behaviour... Otherwise, these machines are really asking for Linux! cheers, Joseph --- Pete Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was using it as simply a second workstation while my main workstation was down, and one that my girlfriend could use while I had my laptop and tablet with me. However, I wouldn't mind putting it to more well-deserved uses, like an LDAP server, backup server, db server, etc. So, I was wondering what all the sparc experts out there think an Ultra 5 would be well suited for :) I was using one as a management box until recently - installed Sarge and nagios - it was plenty fast enough for the job. I have also used one as a slave DNS/Mail server. In the case of a backup server, I have a connor raid box I was considering connecting, but I think the hardware limitation on this particular box is 12GB, so it might not be worthwhile (I do some dv editing on my main machine, so I have several hundred GB's of data). The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap these days, and attach an external drive. Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about �20 from eBay and one of the 7 or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-) The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make wonderful development boxes too... HTH. Cheers, Pete. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Please reply to the list rather than to me personally - I do read the
posts and it allows others to benefit from your wisdom.
The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it
wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap
these days, and attach an external drive.
This is not fast ...
I never said it would be fast, I was attempting to provide an alternative
to the 120GB limit with the internal IDE. I personally use an internal
SCSI card with 72GB, 15k drives for storage - quick, not the cheapest but
works out of the box.
Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7
or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-)
This is not cheap ... (unless You have already some old SCSI drives, but
those are also not fast )
The old SCSI drives are probably going to be faster than the internal IDE
- the U5's IDE subsystem is terribly slow.
The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in
these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make
wonderful development boxes too...
To my knowledge, the fastest and cheapest solution for an U5 is:
By a cheap SATA card ~30 EUR with two slots, the SATA drives have
usually similar prices to PATA for sizes up to ~200 Gig. Above SATA is
even cheaper than PATA (as far as I've seen). There are also SATA cards
for more than two HDD's, but those are more expensive too - don't know
the prices ...
I use it primarily as a server for home video files ('few hundred gigs')
from my satellite and cable receiver.
That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the
SATA controllers as bootable devices?
I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI
is my thing. :-)
It all depends on what the OP wants to use the box for - I believe that's
the question he was askingas a developer I see some good potential in
the little U5's, and 10's - a [333/440]/1GB U5/10 still makes a bloody
good development workstationquick enough for most tasks.
Cheers,
Pete.
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AW: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Hi Pete, hi Mr. Zimmermann, I am quite sure that the OBP will not recognize the SATA disk controller. We use an AHA29160 SCSI controller within an U60; the method of choice for booting is either a CD or a netboot (here). One could alternatively insert a small SCSI / PATA disk to boot from and mount the real disks at a later stage. Bying equipment that is known by openboot is fairly expensive and IMHO not neccessary - if one can live with somewhat slower boot-up times via network or (faster!) CD. Take care Dieter Jurzitza -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Pete Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. März 2006 11:59 An: Dr. Zimmermann Cc: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5 * That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the SATA controllers as bootable devices? I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI is my thing. :-) * *** Diese E-Mail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtuemlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und loeschen Sie diese Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the contents in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ***
Re: AW: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Hi Pete, hi Mr. Zimmermann, I am quite sure that the OBP will not recognize the SATA disk controller. We use an AHA29160 SCSI controller within an U60; the method of choice for booting is either a CD or a netboot (here). One could alternatively insert a small SCSI / PATA disk to boot from and mount the real disks at a later stage. Bying equipment that is known by openboot is fairly expensive and IMHO not neccessary - if one can live with somewhat slower boot-up times via network or (faster!) CD. My U10's and U5's use an LSI, Sun scsi adaptor - abour £30 from ebay and bootable. The small SCSI/PATA boot disk is a good alternative - you shouldn't need to boot these boxes too often anyway ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Date: Wednesday 22 March 2006 08:10 am
From: Joseph M. Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wednesday 22 March 2006 05:58 am, Pete Clarke wrote:
Please reply to the list rather than to me personally - I do read the
posts and it allows others to benefit from your wisdom.
The IDE limitation is 120GB (ish) - however, this does not mean it
wouldn't be a useful backup box - stick a USB card in, very cheap
these days, and attach an external drive.
This is not fast ...
I never said it would be fast, I was attempting to provide an alternative
to the 120GB limit with the internal IDE. I personally use an internal
SCSI card with 72GB, 15k drives for storage - quick, not the cheapest but
works out of the box.
The limitation I was referring to was the conner raid box, not the Ultra 5 -
though the limit is good to know. I may put a 40gb drive in that I have
laying around, I think I've only got 10gb in there right now.
Or pick up a cheap SCSI card - about £20 from eBay and one of the 7
or 12 slot external enclosures and have yourself a nice RAID backup :-)
This is not cheap ... (unless You have already some old SCSI drives, but
those are also not fast )
The old SCSI drives are probably going to be faster than the internal IDE
- the U5's IDE subsystem is terribly slow.
The Ultra 5's (and 10's) still make remarkable good workhorses in
these days of multi-core, multi-gigahertz machines they make
wonderful development boxes too...
To my knowledge, the fastest and cheapest solution for an U5 is:
By a cheap SATA card ~30 EUR with two slots, the SATA drives have
usually similar prices to PATA for sizes up to ~200 Gig. Above SATA is
even cheaper than PATA (as far as I've seen). There are also SATA cards
for more than two HDD's, but those are more expensive too - don't know
the prices ...
I use it primarily as a server for home video files ('few hundred gigs')
from my satellite and cable receiver.
That would probably be cheaper, and fairly quick - does OBP recognise the
SATA controllers as bootable devices?
I haven't played with SATA so have limited knowledge in that area - SCSI
is my thing. :-)
It all depends on what the OP wants to use the box for - I believe that's
the question he was askingas a developer I see some good potential in
the little U5's, and 10's - a [333/440]/1GB U5/10 still makes a bloody
good development workstationquick enough for most tasks.
Cheers,
Pete.
I think I'm perfectly fine with the decreased speeds. I don't have anything
with SATA in the house, though I do have plenty of IDE drives, and a few SCSI
drives. I'll have to take a look and see what I have as far as SCSI goes, I
think perhaps I'll try a few things; backup, local web server/test box, and
postgresql for some various db's I have.
The next step will be getting a drive into my Multia and putting that little
space heater to some good use - thanks everyone :-D
Joseph M. Gaffney
aka CuCullin
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Debian on a Sun Ultra 5
Hey everyone, new to the Debian lists in general, so if theres a good archived reference to anything that I may have overlooked, please let me know :) I have a Sun Ultra 5, which I can't remember what size drive I put in it, currently running Sarge. However, its off pretty much all the time since I can't decide what to do with it, really. I was using it as simply a second workstation while my main workstation was down, and one that my girlfriend could use while I had my laptop and tablet with me. However, I wouldn't mind putting it to more well-deserved uses, like an LDAP server, backup server, db server, etc. So, I was wondering what all the sparc experts out there think an Ultra 5 would be well suited for :) In the case of a backup server, I have a connor raid box I was considering connecting, but I think the hardware limitation on this particular box is 12GB, so it might not be worthwhile (I do some dv editing on my main machine, so I have several hundred GB's of data). So, any ideas? I welcome any :) Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Sarge on SUN Ultra 5
Hi! I doubt it is a sparc related question, it seems like it is just a beginner one. Answering anyway. Window maker is a window manager, not a desktop system like gnome or KDE. I bet you can use all your gnome and kde applications under it (all you have installed that is). If you don't like this window manager, install another and make it as default. To have an average-looking gnome session, you have to have gnome session manager, panel, sawfish, and nautilus installed, and your settings (for example those of the gnome session manager) should be set to default. don't do it unless you know what you are doing! A way to set everything to default is to 'rm -rf ~/.??*' . /don't do it unless you know what you are doing! 2005-06-03, p keltezssel 11.22-kor Matthias Reinhardt ezt rta: Hi everybody, Choosing kde or gnome on the debian-X-login screen it will login to windowmaker and this hurts me a little bit. wmaker works fine, but I have to use gnome or kde Is there any missconfiguration in X-Server, xfree86???
Debian Sarge on SUN Ultra 5
Hi everybody, got a problem using X on a Sun Ultra 5 ... Installed packages: gdm,kdm,xdm gnome, kde, wmaker The problem is: Choosing kde or gnome on the debian-X-login screen it will login to windowmaker and this hurts me a little bit. Does anybody how I can fix the problem. Configuration of Sun Ultra 5 - 370MHz CPU - 512MB RAM - 20GB HDD wmaker works fine, but I have to use gnome or kde Is there any missconfiguration in X-Server, xfree86??? choosing kde - login to wmaker choosing gnome - login to wmaker Hope anyone of you understand my problem. Thanks for help. greets M. Reinhardt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Sarge on SUN Ultra 5
Choosing kde or gnome on the debian-X-login screen it will login to windowmaker and this hurts me a little bit. Do you have an .xinitrc or .xsession laying around in your home? Gruss Steffan pgpLbRZalRp6J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem installing Debian 3.0r0 on Sun Ultra 5
On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:00:07PM -0500, John Rumball wrote: I have an Ultra 5 on which I am trying to install Debian 3.0r0 (woody) from a bootable CD, which I downloaded last week using the jigdo method. After I press, enter at the boot: prompt, I get an error saying: Cannot find /boot/sparc64.gz (Unknown isofs error). Type rescue then press enter. -- Peter Mathiasson, peter at mathiasson dot nu, http://www.mathiasson.nu GPG Fingerprint: A9A7 F8F6 9821 F415 B066 77F1 7FF5 C2E6 7BF2 F228
RE: Problem installing Debian 3.0r0 on Sun Ultra 5
I have an Ultra 5 on which I am trying to install Debian 3.0r0 (woody) from a bootable CD, which I downloaded last week using the jigdo method. After I press, enter at the boot: prompt, I get an error saying: Cannot find /boot/sparc64.gz (Unknown isofs error). John, I'm not sure why this hasn't been fixed, but the boot image is not gzipped on the cd. Check the CD for a file /boot/sparc64. If its there, at the boot: prompt, type /boot/sparc64 and hit enter. HTH, Jonathan
RE: Problem installing Debian 3.0r0 on Sun Ultra 5
Jonathan and Peter, Thank you for your replies. When I try /boot/sparc64 at the boot prompt, it looks good at the beginning, but then ends a few seconds later with a kernel panic message and wanting to scream! When I try typing just rescue at the boot prompt, the installation process begins as it should, I guess, which is great. I guess my question now is, what is the difference between the rescue method versus the standard press enter method of beginning the installation? Thanks again for your help in getting me started with Debian on Sparc. John Rumball, CCNA - Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://www.jerumball.com , http://www.jer.linux-dude.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 10, 2002 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-sparc@lists.debian.org Subject: RE: Problem installing Debian 3.0r0 on Sun Ultra 5 I have an Ultra 5 on which I am trying to install Debian 3.0r0 (woody) from a bootable CD, which I downloaded last week using the jigdo method. After I press, enter at the boot: prompt, I get an error saying: Cannot find /boot/sparc64.gz (Unknown isofs error). John, I'm not sure why this hasn't been fixed, but the boot image is not gzipped on the cd. Check the CD for a file /boot/sparc64. If its there, at the boot: prompt, type /boot/sparc64 and hit enter. HTH, Jonathan
