Re: PPP problem w/ 1.1 install
Hi, >>"Brian" == Brian C White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Is there a Debian-ized package of this kernel or are Debian >> testers > expected to grab the "raw" source? >> There is indeed a Debian-ized version of the kernel. The package is >> called kernel-image. You could also grab the raw source and use kernel-package package to generate your new image package. This is the recommended method for generating custom kernel images. Brian> But is there a "self-compiled-kernel-image"? At least the new Brian> "diald" (in Incoming) depends on "kernel-image". The self compiled kernel, if you do it using kernel-package package, will also "Provide" kernel-image. Brian> If I recall, some other package used to depend on the image but Brian> was changed to check the kernel version in the preinst script. This is true about kernel version. Brian> So... Should there be a restriction against listing the Brian> kernel-image as a dependancy in another package? No, since if you follow the recommended method of generating kernel images, this will work. manoj -- Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule." -- David Guaspari Manoj Srivastava Systems Research Programmer, Project Pilgrim, Phone: (413) 545-3918A143B Lederle Graduate Research Center, Fax: (413) 545-1249 University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pilgrim.umass.edu/%7Esrivasta/>
Linux, GNU and Emacs 19.31
Someone recently posted a long patch file to fix the spelling of Linux
in Emacs 19.31. Well, I just had a look and it is not a spelling
mistake: it is quite intentional. "Lignux" is GNU's new short name for
a "Linux-based GNU system".
I have quoted below the file "emacs-19.31/etc/LINUX-GNU" from the emacs-19.31
distribution. At one point my eyebrows reached my (receeding) hairline
but I read to the end and feel that it ends on a positive note.
This article by RMS is very much related to the two items that appear on
the Debian Project's home page: http://www.debian.org/
Debian's relationship with the FSF:
The FSF's announcement ("The FSF is no longer sponsoring Debian")
"Debian and FSF", the clarification by Debian Project Leader,
Bruce Perens.
=== Start quote of emacs-19.31/etc/LINUX-GNU by RMS ===
Linux and the GNU system
The GNU project started 12 years ago with the goal of developing a
complete free Unix-like operating system. "Free" refers to freedom,
not price; it means you are free to run, copy, distribute, study,
change, and improve the software.
A Unix-like system consists of many different programs. We found some
components already available as free software--for example, X Windows
and TeX. We obtained other components by helping to convince their
developers to make them free--for example, the Berkeley network
utilities. Other components we wrote specifically for GNU--for
example, GNU Emacs, the GNU C compiler, the GNU C library, Bash, and
Ghostscript. The components in this last category are "GNU software".
The GNU system consists of all three categories together.
The GNU project is not just about developing and distributing free
software. The heart of the GNU project is an idea: that software
should be free, and that the users' freedom is worth defending. For
if people have freedom but do not value it, they will not keep it for
long. In order to make freedom last, we have to teach people to value
it.
The GNU project's method is that free software and the idea of users'
freedom support each other. We develop GNU software, and as people
encounter GNU programs or the GNU system and start to use them, they
also think about the GNU idea. The software shows that the idea can
work in practice. People who come to agree with the idea are likely
to write additional free software. Thus, the software embodies the
idea, spreads the idea, and grows from the idea.
This method was working well--until someone combined the Linux kernel
with the GNU system (which still lacked a kernel), and called the
combination a "Linux system."
The Linux kernel is a free Unix-compatible kernel written by Linus
Torvalds. It was not written specifically for the GNU project, but
the Linux kernel and the GNU system work together well. In fact,
adding Linux to the GNU system brought the system to completion: it
made a free Unix-compatible operating system available for use.
But ironically, the practice of calling it a "Linux system" undermines
our method of communicating the GNU idea. At first impression, a
"Linux system" sounds like something completely distinct from the "GNU
system." And that is what most users think it is.
Most introductions to the "Linux system" acknowledge the role played
by the GNU software components. But they don't say that the system as
a whole is more or less the same GNU system that the GNU project has
been compiling for a decade. They don't say that the idea of a free
Unix-like system originates from the GNU project. So most users don't
know these things.
This leads many of those users to identify themselves as a separate
community of "Linux users", distinct from the GNU user community.
They use all of the GNU software; in fact, they use almost all of the
GNU system; but they don't think of themselves as GNU users, and they
may not think about the GNU idea.
It leads to other problems as well--even hampering cooperation on
software maintenance. Normally when users change a GNU program to
make it work better on a particular system, they send the change to
the maintainer of that program; then they work with the maintainer,
explaining the change, arguing for it and sometimes rewriting it, to
get it installed.
But people who think of themselves as "Linux users" are more likely to
release a forked "Linux-only" version of the GNU program, and consider
the job done. We want each and every GNU program to work "out of the
box" on Linux-based systems; but if the users do not help, that goal
becomes much harder to achieve.
So how should the GNU project respond? What should we do now to
spread the idea that freedom for computer users is important?
We should continue to talk about the freedom to share and change
software--and to teach other users to value these freedoms. If we
enjoy having a free operating system, it makes sense for us to think
about preserving those freedoms for the long te
Re: PPP problem w/ 1.1 install
> "Brian" == Brian C White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Brian> But is there a "self-compiled-kernel-image"? At least the new Brian> "diald" (in Incoming) depends on "kernel-image". Brian> So... Should there be a restriction against listing the Brian> kernel-image as a dependancy in another package? I don't think packages should `depend' on kernel-image. I don't have kernel-image installed although it is listed as `essential'. I boot into Debian using loadlin and sometimes floppies. -- Billy C.-M. Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Linux
How to handle new packages
As I understand dselect, it looks at the Packages file to determine the list of packages, their dependencies, and whatever else. Suppose I want to upgrade a single package. I grab the .deb file. But now what? The Packages file doesn't know about the new package. I know I could install it using dpkg, but isn't there a way to tell dselect about the new package? -- Steve Preston ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can't install debian 1.1
We're going to build another kernel with an updated device driver. That will probably fix this problem. Thanks Bruce -- Clinton isn't perfect, but I like him a whole lot more than Dole. Bruce Perens AB6YM [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.hams.com/
Re: Getting 'less' to do the right thing (was Re: xterm subtleties)
Austin Donnelly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : $ export LESS='-M -X -z-2' In addition to that, I suggest '-I' which makes the text-search case insensitive (a search for "Linux" will match "Linux, "linux" or "LINUX" ...). Winfried
Re: xterm subtleties
Evan Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Try > XTerm*titeInhibit: true > and thanks, I've always wanted to know how to do that! I should have RTFMd first. That is a far easier way of accomplishing the same thing. However, my solution still stands if you have an xterm that doesn't recognize the relatively new titeInhibit. Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ph: +1-415-854-1857 fax: +1-415-854-3195 Say it with MIME. Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs. If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.
No new package in the 'unstable' dir since May 18th..
I know the updated packages are all uploaded in the incoming directory of master.debian.org but since that date they never show up in the 'unstable' directory. Why? I use a local mirror with NFS to do my testings. Not having an up-to-date hierarchy and Packages file makes things a bit harder. -- Farzad FARID Administrateur Reseau SGIP - Publicis
Re: PPP problem w/ 1.1 install
> > Is there a Debian-ized package of this kernel or are Debian testers > > expected to grab the "raw" source? > > There is indeed a Debian-ized version of the kernel. The package is called > kernel-image. But is there a "self-compiled-kernel-image"? At least the new "diald" (in Incoming) depends on "kernel-image". If I recall, some other package used to depend on the image but was changed to check the kernel version in the preinst script. So... Should there be a restriction against listing the kernel-image as a dependancy in another package? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
Getting 'less' to do the right thing (was Re: xterm subtleties)
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >I'm trying to configure xterm so that, for example, the screen isn't >restored after exiting less. > >>From reading the manual page, I'd expect that a resource of the form >*titeInhibit: True > or >*TiteInhibit: True > >would do the trick. However, this doesn't seem to have any effect. > >Anyone know if there's a way of doing this (without recompiling either >less or xterm)? A better solution is to hit less on the head, and stop its anti- social behaviour. Try: $ export LESS='-M -X -z-2' This sets up a few default options to less: -M be verbosein the line at the bottom of the screen -X don't to terminal init & deinit (ie don't clear the screen) -z-2 set an overlap of 2 lines when scrolling page by page Hope this helps, Austin
Can't install debian 1.1
Hi. I tried to install debian 1.1 with Boot1440.bin from may 28, but there was a problem: I have a Pentium with Adaptec AHA2940 SCSI-controller and a Samsung PLS-31274S SCSI-harddisk. Here is a part of the output of the boot process: (...) aic7xxx: Burstlen = 8DWD, Latency timer = 32PCLKS aic7xxx: AHA-2940 Ultra Rev B. aic7xxx: devconfig = 0x580 aic7xxx: Reading SEEPROM...done aic7xxx: Extended translation enabled aic7xxx: Using 16 SCB's after checking for SCB memory AHA-2940 Ultra (PCI-Bus) irq 10 bus release time 40 bclks data fifo treshold 100% SCSI CHANNEL A: scsi id 7 scsi selection timeout 256 ms scsi bus reset at power-on enabled scsi bus paritz enabled scsi bus termination (low byte) enabled aic7xxx: Downloading sequencer code...done aic7xxx: Resetting the SCSI bus ...done scsi0: Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 3.0/3.0/3.0 scsi: 1 host aic7xxx: Scanning channel A for devices: aic7xxx: Target 0, channel A, now synchronous at 10.0 MHz, offset (0xf). Vendor: SAMSUNG Model: PLS-31274S Rev: 6101 Type: Direct-AccessANSI-SCSI Revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 scsi: aborting command due to timeout: pid 6, scsi 0, channel 0, id 0, lun 5 0x 00 a0 00 00 00 00 aic7xxx: (abort-reset) scb state 0x1, command phase, SCSISIGI=0x84 SCSI host abort (pid 6) timed out - resetting SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 aic7xxx: (abort-reset) scb state 0x7, command phase, SCSISIGI=0x94 aic7xxx: Target 2, channel A, now synchronous at 4.0 MHz, offset (0xf). (...) As the harddisk is detected, its motor stops spinning. He not even restarts spinning at a hard reset. I have to switch off the computer and then to restart. I hope this is only a simple problem with my hardware-configuration, but I am not very familiar with scsi: The terminators are set correctly. All ids are unique. In the SCSI-select menu, 'Send Start Unit SCSI Command' is enabled for the harddisk. On the harddisk all jumpers are on the default setting (excluding the termination-jumper and the jumpers for the id). Thanks for helping me, Ralf
Can't install debian 1.1
Hi. I tried to install debian 1.1 with Boot1440.bin from may 28, but there was a problem: I have a Pentium with Adaptec AHA2940 SCSI-controller and a Samsung PLS-31274S SCSI-harddisk. Here is a part of the output of the boot process: (...) aic7xxx: Burstlen = 8DWD, Latency timer = 32PCLKS aic7xxx: AHA-2940 Ultra Rev B. aic7xxx: devconfig = 0x580 aic7xxx: Reading SEEPROM...done aic7xxx: Extended translation enabled aic7xxx: Using 16 SCB's after checking for SCB memory AHA-2940 Ultra (PCI-Bus) irq 10 bus release time 40 bclks data fifo treshold 100% SCSI CHANNEL A: scsi id 7 scsi selection timeout 256 ms scsi bus reset at power-on enabled scsi bus paritz enabled scsi bus termination (low byte) enabled aic7xxx: Downloading sequencer code...done aic7xxx: Resetting the SCSI bus ...done scsi0: Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 3.0/3.0/3.0 scsi: 1 host aic7xxx: Scanning channel A for devices: aic7xxx: Target 0, channel A, now synchronous at 10.0 MHz, offset (0xf). Vendor: SAMSUNG Model: PLS-31274S Rev: 6101 Type: Direct-AccessANSI-SCSI Revision: 02 Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 scsi: aborting command due to timeout: pid 6, scsi 0, channel 0, id 0, lun 5 0x 00 a0 00 00 00 00 aic7xxx: (abort-reset) scb state 0x1, command phase, SCSISIGI=0x84 SCSI host abort (pid 6) timed out - resetting SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 aic7xxx: (abort-reset) scb state 0x7, command phase, SCSISIGI=0x94 aic7xxx: Target 2, channel A, now synchronous at 4.0 MHz, offset (0xf). (...) As the harddisk is detected, its motor stops spinning. He not even restarts spinning at a hard reset. I have to switch off the computer and then to restart. I hope this is only a simple problem with my hardware-configuration, but I am not very familiar with scsi: The terminators are set correctly. All ids are unique. In the SCSI-select menu, 'Send Start Unit SCSI Command' is enabled for the harddisk. On the harddisk all jumpers are on the default setting (excluding the termination-jumper and the jumpers for the id). Thanks for helping me, Ralf
RE:
Ohh NO a trekie!! > > help > > The holodeck doctor materializes and says "Please state the nature of the > emergency" :-) . > > To subscribe to the debian-user mailing list, send a message containing > the word "subscribe" and nothing else to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > You can do the same thing for debian-announce (special announcements), > and debian-changes (change notices for Debian packages). But always remember > to direct your list-server commands to the -REQUEST address, not the list > itself. > > Thanks > > Bruce Perens > -- > Pixar's Toy Story: Over 1/3 Billion dollars world box office so far. > > Bruce Perens AB6YM [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.hams.com/ > -- Matthew S. Bailey 107 Emmons Hall Central Michigan University Mt. Pleasant, MI 48858 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental. Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic. The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is left as an exercise for the reader. The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the second god coefficient. (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.)
installation
hello :) Well i installed the 3 base disks and rebotted the system and everything looks fine. Now i wish to add a few thing like "vi", "pine", and "fortune". The thing is i'm not sure just how to do this. Do i use dselect from root? How about the install command? -Robert
Re: xterm subtleties
> I'm trying to configure xterm so that, for example, the screen isn't > restored after exiting less. Hideous behavior, no? Anyway, you're looking in the wrong place. If your less (vi, emacs, etc.) is compiled to read from termcap, edit /etc/termcap and comment out or remove the ti and te entries. If it uses terminfo, you'll need to use infocmp on /usr/lib/terminfo/x/xterm to get an ASCII version. Then you'll remove the smcup and rmcup entries and rebuild the terminfo database with tic. The details are left as an exercise for the reader. Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ph: +1-415-854-1857 fax: +1-415-854-3195 Say it with MIME. Maintainer of comp.mail.mh and news.software.nn FAQs. If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.
Re: xterm subtleties
Raul Miller wrote: > > I'm trying to configure xterm so that, for example, the screen isn't > restored after exiting less. > > >From reading the manual page, I'd expect that a resource of the form > *titeInhibit: True > or > *TiteInhibit: True > > would do the trick. However, this doesn't seem to have any effect. > > Anyone know if there's a way of doing this (without recompiling either > less or xterm)? > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul Try XTerm*titeInhibit:true and thanks, I've always wanted to know how to do that! Evan. -- Evan Thomas Department of Anatomy & Cell Biology University of Melbourne Parkville, 3052 ph: 9344-5849 fax: 9347-5219
