date:20021218

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 04:45:19PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 04:01:51AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > How does that one work then?
> 
> Observe:
> 
> $ echo '#!/bin/bash' > foo.sh
> $ echo 'echo "It runs"' >> foo.sh
> $ cat foo.sh 
> #!/bin/bash
> echo "It runs"
> $ ./foo.sh
> bash: ./foo.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
> $ bash foo.sh 
> It runs
> 
> You can run a non-executable script by passing its filename to the
> proper interpreter (in which case the #! line isn't needed, BTW).
> 
> As mentioned earlier, though, the profile is sourced, not executed.
> The difference?
> 
> $ echo 'export BAR=1' > foo.sh
> $ chmod +x foo.sh
> $ ./foo.sh
> $ echo $BAR
> 
> $ source foo.sh
> $ echo $BAR
> 1
> 
> Executing foo.sh started a new shell process and set BAR in that process,
> but had no effect on the shell I gave the command to.  Sourcing it
> caused it to run in the existing shell, so it was able to modify that
> environment.  I'm sure you can see that profiles would be much less
> useful if they were executed instead of sourced...

And there was me thinking in my fuzzy way that that was why they
exported variables instead of just setting them.

Thanks to your very clear reply, I actually thought about that. That
wouldn't work, would it. That would make the variables available to
sub-shells of the one executing the .profile, but not the login shell
that executes the shell that executes the .profile.

I think I've had that wrong for about 15 years. Thank you!

Pigeon


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ssh login can't apply /etc/security/limits.conf

2002-12-18 Thread Patrick Hsieh

Hello list,

I am trying to configure the user resource restriction in 
/etc/security/limits.conf. I believe the configuration has no problem, but 
when the user ssh login, the session will not include the limits in the 
limits.conf file.

BTW, I checked the /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/ssh file.
Both have this line in it:
sessionrequired pam_limits.so

Is there anything I missed?


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Re: Cups getting tired

2002-12-18 Thread Cam Ellison

* Florian Struck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hash: SHA1
> 

> Model:
> Canon S400 (K10186 written on the bottom)
> 
> Canon.ppd in ppd directory? i can send it to you but it actually looks 
> allright.

In /usr/share/cups/model/Canon are the drivers.  I think your best bet
is the one listed first, which is S400-bjc600.ppd.  What I did was
copy the driver to /etc/cups/ppd and then symlinked Canon.ppd to it
(you don't have to copy it -- the symlink is sufficient; I just wanted
both in the same place).  That way I knew that Canon.ppd was correct.

> I btw succeeded in getting the page fit to the sheet using a foomatic driver 
> but the output is very bad quality. And i earlyer too had best quality with 
> gimpprint driver so i want to keep it but still after setting the page size 
> to A4 with the gimpprint driver i get only upper left quarter printed over 
> the whole sheet.

I have not tried the gimpprint driver -- maybe I should do that before
I go any further.

> The bailing out of the http interface is still happenning always but it 
> changes the settings anyway after a while when i exit and enter the interface> again.
> One more question i have is how do i enable the server so that i have access 
> from another machine on the LAN?

You have to install everything on the other machine as well, and when
you add the printer, use ipp://name.of.server/printers/xxx is whatever
name you have given the printer.  Once I got the name right,
everything just worked.

HTH

Cam

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Re: Server Recommendations

2002-12-18 Thread John Griffiths

>If you want to run a database backend for a CMS (if I remember
>correctly, that's what drupal is, right?), you'll need even more RAM --
>my machine slowed noticably when I've run mysql in the past. But it's
>certainly do-able on this hardware, and the ram for these machines is
>still fairly easily obtainable and cheap.
>

i've done this on an old 486, 16MB of RAM, with an active CMS site.

it worked fine, but required a degree of patience. (lots of swapping)



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Re: Server Recommendations

2002-12-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney

-- Dan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 18 December 2002, 08:58 PM -0600):
> I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month.
> 
> Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with
> 32 MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian
> Woody, on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this
> meager equipment serve as a village (community)  static page web
> server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need
> something more to run zope or drupal? 
If possible, I'd up the ram and hard drive slightly -- mainly for the
mail. But otherwise, it should be fine. I'm running mine on a P-200 with
64MB and two hard drives (1 2GB and 1 3GB), and it does quite nicely (I
run a couple sites off it, and receive mail for a handful of people;
currently, my /home directory is mounted on the 2GB drive and holds my
web document root and all mail -- and has only 12% usage). It even
serves as a firewall (using iptables) and an IMAP server (allowing for
remote connection for mail retrieval).

If you want to run a database backend for a CMS (if I remember
correctly, that's what drupal is, right?), you'll need even more RAM --
my machine slowed noticably when I've run mysql in the past. But it's
certainly do-able on this hardware, and the ram for these machines is
still fairly easily obtainable and cheap.

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amavis anti-virus add-ons

2002-12-18 Thread Tom Allison

From some other list (I think) someone suggested using "clam" as 
a free anti-virus package.

I was checking through the Debian packages and there appears to be 
more than one.

clamd
clamav
(for starters)

Which would be the correct one to use on a single machine with 
amavisd?
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Re: Server Recommendations

nate said:

> I'm sure people will disagree but I strongly do not reccomend running a
> system, even a minimal one with less then 64MB of ram. If your using zope
> you probably want something more powerful. My experience with zope is
> limited to Zwiki, but I have noticed that it takes 100 to 200 or more
> times more processing power to serve a page then apache does. That is, a
> zope page on my local network can take up to 2 seconds to load, while the
> apache page with the same (static) content takes a fraction of 1
> second(loads so fast I can't count). Perhaps normal
> zope without zwiki, or other zope apps are different.
>

woops forgot to mention, the machine that I'm running zope on is
a P3-800 with 1GB of ram with dual western digital special edition
disks(8MB cache) in raid 1 .. the machine does quite a bit of other
stuff(ldap, postfix, apache, apache-ssl, mrtg, big brother etc)..
but the machine itself is no slouch, which is why I was so shocked
it took so long to load the zope pages. load on this box is gettin
outta control, it's been hovering in the 6-8 area for the past
few hours, gotta look to relocate my mrtg stuff to another machine
I guess. maybe the software raid is bogging it down ..


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Re: Server Recommendations

2002-12-18 Thread Alvin Oga


hi ya dan

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Dan Hunt wrote:

> I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month.
> 
> Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, 
> and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a 
> static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment
> serve as a village (community)  static page web server and mail server
> for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope or
> drupal? 

my old P90 w/48MB has been the primaryserver for some major
community websites supporting hundreds of people ... 
including (slow)search and automated rsvp via web/emails
and is still my main email servers and clients ... 
for other "mailing lists"

no complaints from anybody

"its free" to them... :-)

and if you do have a spare 386... use it as your firewall..

c ya
alvin

- and we're currently looking at dual a 1TB disk w/ dual-hot-swap-powersupply
  in a 12"(?) deep 1U .. fun design ... if you wanna  get "beefy"  
( at least my idea of beefy" )
- ts vaporware/vaporhardware right now..

> Perhaps I should shop around ebay canada for a "not the i386" debian port equipment?
> Can you please your reality based, ultra low budget equipment suggestions? 
> 


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Re: Server Recommendations

Dan Hunt said:
> I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each
> month.
>
> Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32
> MB Ram, and a 1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody,
> on a static DSL IP address without any firewall. Will this meager
> equipment serve as a village (community)  static page web server and mail
> server for about 1 dozen people? Would I need something more to run zope
> or drupal?

I'm sure people will disagree but I strongly do not reccomend running
a system, even a minimal one with less then 64MB of ram. If your using
zope you probably want something more powerful. My experience with
zope is limited to Zwiki, but I have noticed that it takes 100 to 200
or more times more processing power to serve a page then apache does.
That is, a zope page on my local network can take up to 2 seconds to
load, while the apache page with the same (static) content takes a
fraction of 1 second(loads so fast I can't count). Perhaps normal
zope without zwiki, or other zope apps are different.

I run a system which is a P200 64MB ram which has a 6GB and a 8GB
drive(uptime of 625 days, wee), it runs mail and web and ftp for
about 20 users, it works fine, though it does swap, it also runs
an X server and xawtv along with a TV card, its my livingroom
tv(hooked to a 15" monitor). It's been 18 days since apache
was restarted(log rotation I guess), and it's transferred ~120MB
of data through apache, and 1.9gigs of data sent out of the
ethernet interface(includes all services and all data) since the
start of the month. It runs great as the uptime shows.. 32MB
is just not enough I think. Technically it's possible, add some
swap(I prefer to run machines that do not swap, and only keep
swap as a emergency incase something gets out of control), but
it will run slower.

as for non x86 cheap stuff, not sure there, unless you can find something
local ..shipping will probably outweigh the cost of the unit itself.
I will be getting about 12 more computers soon from my former employer,
much of them low end non x86 stuff(mostly sun), and would be happy
to sell something, but since you seem to be looking for real cheap
I don't think the cost + shipping would be worth it for you. While I
haven't done any exact calculations I would guesstimate that I could
sell an 167Mhz Ultra 1 with 128MB ram and 2-4GB hd for $60, and I would
expect 3 day shipping to run at least $50-60, depending on your location
and packing another $10. and thats just for a pizzabox system, no
keyboard, no mouse, no monitor. and that, IMO would be the absolute
minimum price. I'd much prefer to sell such a system for 100. or just
keep it for myself, use it in the future when DRM has completely
infected x86. perhaps a cluster of ultra 1s to heat the local community.
I am not in the crowd that finds 486s, low end 586s, supersparcs or
other similar equipment of value, ultra 1s and P2s is about as low as
I'd go these days.

with all kinds of companies collapsing perhaps you could hit a local
auction. a couple years ago when my former employer went outta biz,
I went to an auction they had about 300 servers for sale, I scored
a dual proc P3-650 with 256MB ram and a 9.1GB HD(Intel ISP2150 2U),
for $300, and another single proc P3-600 256MB with 9.1GB(2150 again)
for $300. I got a Cisco 2900XL 24-port switch for $500, and a box
of about 8 rackmount power strips for $75. some poor suckers were
paying higher then retail for the laptops it was funny. By the time
I started bidding they had sold so much nobody else was interested :)
Of course this was for my company, I didn't have the cash to buy
anything myself ..I'm sure you could find lower end stuff, desktops,
and such for $100 or less at auctions. These $300 systems are probably
beyond what your lookin to pay but they were outstanding deals at
the time, I think they had a retail value of around $2000 each, real
nice servers onboard ultra 2 scsi, onboard ethernet, 4 bay hotswap
SCA interfaces, floppy, 2U  ..dual proc capable, 2GB ram max..real nice
indeed!



nate






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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe otherways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Mike Dresser

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, nate wrote:

> Mike Dresser said:
>
> you can get a rsync.exe that works in the dos prompt but at least for
> me it wasn't nearly flexible enough, I needed bash, and grep and scp,
> and ssh with RSA keys to do what I had to do.

Using the cygwin setup now, because smbmount is too flaky for me to use.
Rsyncd runs on the server, and a linux machine keeps about 9 gig of files
sync'd.  And then the other 10 linux systems rsync to a subset of that.

It's amazing how much slower it is, it takes something like half an hour
or more to build the filelist on the NT server, but a couple minutes on a
much lower powered linux system.

 > but again, rsync under win32 is VERY flakey.

For some strange odd reason, it's working ok for me so far.  I hope it
does, because the first day it pukes and dumps out nothing to the linux
machine, I've got 9 gig to copy over 56k wan links again.  took a few
months running it in the narrow window I have that I can abuse the
bandwidth safely.

Mike

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Up to date sources list

2002-12-18 Thread Steve

I can't find a sources list on the Debian web site. Google seems to return lists 
for packages other than the official Debian stuff. Is their an url that I could 
go to?


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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

Mike Dresser said:

> Or do I understand rsync wrong?

I used rsync for about a year on multiple NT4 and win2k servers to
sync to debian systems. the rsync ran once a day, every day .. my
setup consisted of a full cygwin enviornment, with a SSH server
running(openssh, cygwin can run openssh as a NT service to load on
boot). I then used a crontab on a linux box to ssh in as administrator
(using an RSA key to allow for prompt-less login), to execute a script
on the remote side to run rsync with a buncha options(the script was
really hacky) to push the data to a linux box, then copy the rsync log
to the linux box and format a report and email it to me.

you can get a rsync.exe that works in the dos prompt but at least for
me it wasn't nearly flexible enough, I needed bash, and grep and scp,
and ssh with RSA keys to do what I had to do.

but again, rsync under win32 is VERY flakey. under unix/linux its
rock solid, never had a problem. but it's well documented that
rsync on win32 is flakey, there have been some patches which tries
to improve some parts of it, and with marginal results, it was still
good enough for me to put into production and to rely on it, though
I do remember there was failed backups(99% of the time the rest of
the data would be transferred at the next backup 24 hours later which
was fine for me). The more recent versions of rsync have a timeout
option, and I had to set that to about 90 seocnds, to prevent the
rsync process from hanging forever(if it wasn't killed it'd hang
forever), since if the system stopped for more then a few seconds
it was as good as dead anyways.

cygwin is free from sources.redhat.com, pretty easy to install, the
hardest part is always file permissions, drives me up the wall having
to deal with them on win32. Much of it is SSH's fault too, it would
complain that permissions were too loose even if they were chmod 000
on the keys, it would take ages(an hour, more?) to figure out how
to get it fixed, even copying the permissions used on other systems
didn't seem to work. real PITA. and yes I was using the ntsec CYGWIN
enviornment variable :)

but it worked.I don't work at that company anymore but my system
is still in place and runs nightly. I could login and get the
script(I still have my dedicated VPN) but it's so ugly I am ashamed
of it, I never had time to re-write it.

nate




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Server Recommendations

2002-12-18 Thread Dan Hunt

I am ready to set up my own Web Server rather than paying my friends each month.

Your IT guidance would be appreciated. I have a dusty Pentium 90 with 32 MB Ram, and a 
1 GB Drive. The new unit will be equipped with Debian Woody, on a static DSL IP 
address without any firewall. Will this meager equipment serve as a village 
(community)  static page web server and mail server for about 1 dozen people? Would I 
need something more to run zope or drupal? 

Perhaps I should shop around ebay canada for a "not the i386" debian port equipment?
Can you please your reality based, ultra low budget equipment suggestions? 

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Re: SSH w/ root and keypair authentication problem

2002-12-18 Thread Colin Watson

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 03:00:43AM -0800, Adar Dembo wrote:
> Note the use of PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only which should allow 
> me to ssh in as root, using my keys, as long as I run a command afterwards.

Beware that 'PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only' was broken in
1:3.4p1-1, the version of ssh in stable. It was fixed in 1:3.5p1-1. See
bug #166184.

I haven't investigated your problem deeply enough to know if that's
definitely the cause (sorry, work Christmas parties don't leave me
entirely sober), but it seems like a pretty good candidate. Vineet's
reply could be part of it too.

Cheers,

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Max resolution not usable and NV drivers load slow

2002-12-18 Thread Scott C. Linnenbringer

I'm running Branden's unofficial XFree86 4.2.1 packages and a rolled 2.4.20 
kernel on Debian and am running into some problems with X. These problems are 
exactly identical in the official 4.1.0 packages and Debian's 2.4.18-bf2.4 
image, so I don't think it has to do with the packages.

First, when using NVidia's detonator drivers from source, it takes an 
extremely long time (like twelve seconds) to load up the X server. Nothing is 
happening on the monitor at that time and after loading everything is fine. 
The same is happening on my friend's Debian machine at a local LUG with him 
using a Geforce4 and me using a Geforce3. The main logs show nothing out of 
the ordinary other than a module named 'GLcore' not being able to load.

Secondly, I can not go any higher than 1600 x 1200, while my Visiontek 
Geforce3 Ti500 should be perfectly capable of it with my Viewsonic P220f 
monitor. I've tried looking at the Horizontal and Vertical Refresh but 
nothing works. It seems to choak in the logs where it talks about EDID and 
240 MHz rate (or something, as I can not recall.) I have no idea what this is 
or how to correct it; can anyone offer any assistance?




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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe otherways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Mike Dresser

On 18 Dec 2002, Shyamal Prasad wrote:

> "Mike" == Mike Dresser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Mike> But since there's no rsync server being used in this case,
> Mike> it has to read the entire file anyways.

> You don't need a server for the incremental updates to happen. rsync
> on the client side invokes rsync on the remote side and does an
> incremental backup anyway. That is why you need rsh/ssh or something
> before you can rsync without the server. At least on a *nix
> box. Perhaps wintel changes that...
>
> /Shyamal

In this case, he's got a mount to the remote machine.

He's doing the same thing as doing a rsync a b locally

It's going to have to generate c'sums for a, and for b to know what is
different, no?

As compared to a normal connection rsync a:/a b, where a:/ is told to do
the checksums, and the local client handles its own checksums of b and
they just compare checksums over the line, sending small blocks as needed.

He's going to have it reading all of a, to generate checksums over the
line, and then read all of b locally to generate checksums, and then
compare in memory.

Now, if he put rsyncd.exe from cygwin in the Windows machine and told it
to use that, it'd be a lot more efficient.

Or do I understand rsync wrong?

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RE: cups and hpijs driver

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Olds

Donald,

Thank you for sticking with this! I havn't yet done anything on Linux that
hasn't been a major hassle (not complaining, I really like the brain
exercise and I like the end result which usually works well...I have my
webserver up and running without a problem now for a couple of
months...getting ready to set up mysql and php...anyway:)

> Using the parallel port.
OK...same here

> Do a "lsmod" as root and see if the following modules are loaded:
> paraport
> paraport_pc
> lp
> All three present and accounted for.
OK...drivers are present.

I see a message in the bootup messages indicating it "sees" the printer,
> I see the same in my messages. Names it by name.
> and also:
> lp0 using parport0


>OK...just a thought here.  Do you have your parallel port turned "on" in
the BIOS.  It shouldn't make a difference to Linux, but one never knows ;)
I Checked and it is "on".

> But... > > and when I try the KDE Printing Manager it shows up already
listed in the > "Local Port Selection" screen of the Wizzard. >>Right.. same
here.  Mine shows a "tree" of selections: Parallel Parallel Port #1
HEWLETT-PACKARD DESKJET 960C Do you high-light it (select it) so
"parallel:/dev/lp0" shows in the "URI" window at the bottom of the screen?
This is a miscommunication. I do not get this. I was quoting you. haha.

> I do not get as far as "Local Port Selection in the wizzard as it is >
demanding a "backend" In "Backend" > "Classes" are all greyed out except
"Class of Printers" which if I select, > brings me to "Class Composition"
which gives me no selections at all. End of > the line. >
>I get this as the very first screen after the KDE Wizzard starts up. All of
mine are available except the "Print to file" and "Serial Fax/Modem Printer"
selections, which are greyed-out.

I wonder where does the wizzard get this information? It must be a
configuration file somewher, no?

>>Do you have "CUPS" selected as the "Print System Currently Used" at the
bottom of the KDE Printing Manager?  The only other thing that might cause
this is that somehow your kdelibs3-cups didn't get installed
properly...Strange.
>try re-installing the kdelibs3-cups package.  What version of KDE are you
using?  I am using 2.2.2 from Woody/Testing.  I have NOT made the move to
the 3.X versions yet.

I am using 2.2.2 too.
I just uninstalled, shut down, restarted, installed ran /etc/init.d/cupsys
restart and opened control center>system and I get the same routine: backend
selections all grayed out, etc. Yes I have CUPS as the Print System
Currently Used.

>You ARE trying all this config as "root" ... right?
Yes

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org


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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 18:40, Michael Heironimus wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:35:35PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> > That was the first reboot in five weeks, and when the system came back,
> > it couldn't find "localhost". It could find hosehead.dyndns.org and its
> > various morphs (hosehead.dyndns.ws and mlkahnt.dyndns.org,) and it had
> > no problem with 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 (eth1) and 192.168.1.3 (eth0),
> > either. /etc/hosts was unchanged, but /etc/resolv.conf had been reduced
> > to just two entries - my ISPs nameservers, each preceded by a blank
> > line, leaving me to believe that some program is doing the rewrite on
> > bringing up the network link (I suspect the culprit is "usepeerdns" in
> > /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, although that has been there for over seven
> > months.)
> 
> This may be a silly thing to ask, but do you get the right answers when
> you nslookup localhost and 127.0.0.1? And if not, do you have them
> defined in your zone files (you should)?
> 
> -- 
> Michael Heironimus

Excellent to ask - as I warned earlier, there was room for things like
this to happen with my brain getting muddied by all of the various
symptoms I'm fighting. That said, I get:

> 127.0.0.1
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address:127.0.0.1#53
 
1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa  name = localhost.

> localhost
Server: 127.0.0.1
Address:127.0.0.1#53
 
Name:   localhost.hosehead.dyndns.org
Address: 127.0.0.1
--

The localhost.hosehead.dyndns.org wasn't a problem before the big
restart, and I haven't found anything in the documentation to cause that
to *not* happen. /etc/bind/db.local reads:

;
; BIND data file for local loopback interface
;
$TTL604800
@   IN  SOA localhost. root.localhost. (
5
604800
86400
2419200
604800 )
;
@   IN  NS  localhost.
@   IN  A   127.0.0.1
Administrator.localhost.IN  RP 
kahnt.hosehead.dyndns.org. Administrator
Hosehead.localhost. IN  HINFO   i686 Linux
Mail.localhost. IN  MX  1 hosehead.dyndns.org
-
and /etc/bind/db.127 reads:

;
; BIND reverse data file for local loopback interface
;
$TTL604800
@   IN  SOA hosehead.dyndns.org. root.hosehead.dyndns.org. (
  1 ; Serial
 604800 ; Refresh
  86400 ; Retry
2419200 ; Expire
 604800 )   ; Negative Cache TTL
;
@   IN  NS  dns.hosehead.dyndns.org.
1.0.0   IN  PTR localhost.
-
and for the heck of it, this is /etc/hosts:

127.0.0.1   localhost hosehead
192.168.1.1 hosehead.dyndns.org hosehead
205.189.48.3adan.kingston.net
205.189.48.6border1.kingston.net
 
# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
# (added automatically by netbase upgrade)
 
::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
 
:::127.0.0.1localhost
:::192.168.1.1  hosehead.dyndns.org hosehead
-

Hopefully I haven't buggered anything in any of these, but most have
been through at least a couple of system restarts (particularly all of
the bind stuff) and so shouldn't be functioning differently (I hope).
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Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]

2002-12-18 Thread Brian Nelson

"Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues
> with reading them.  Here's  description of what he's see'ing.  I'm using
> the latest mutt from unstable.
>
> Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off
> auto-signing?  
>
> - Forwarded -
>
> I'm still using OutLook Express.  Same that I have had since the cable
> hook-up last year.  With the most recent mails from you, the messages come
> only as an 'Attatchment' that must be opened after the initial page of your
> mail is selected.
> I have to click on the "paper clip" icon, then select one of two attatchment
> designators, then select 'open' or 'save' ,then select 'continue'.  Your
> message finally comes up in block formate in a seperate window.  Maybe
> secure for you, but as I said, if I get something from someone  like this
> form someone I am not expecting, or in a generic heading(i.e.,"The info you
> asked for', 'A funny Joke', etc.) I won't open it.  Some of your other
> recipiates may not also, and you might lose some mail.
>
> - End forwarded message -

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Rants/gpg-signed-mail.html

Tell your father to stop using OE, or any other MS mailer.  They're all
broken and should never be used by anyone for any purpose.  Unless, of
course, you want to demonstrate how piss-poor MS software can be.

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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 17:24, nate wrote:
> Mark L. Kahnt said:
> 
> > Just tried each (well, not really the third, as I don't use nscd) and
> > "localhost" can now be pinged, but exim and ftp are still not
> > responding, meaning fetchmail is still being refused. Interestingly, I can
> > dispatch a message to sendmail addressed to kahnt@localhost, and it gets
> > through, which suggests to me that the sendmail for exim doesn't work
> > through the smtp port, but just goes directly into the local
> > delivery.
> 
> have you restarted the services? worth a shot if you haven't ..
> 
> the fastest way to restart everything would be to drop to runlevel 1
> then go back (hit init 1, then when prompted for the root password hit
> CTRL-D). note this will kill and restart all processes on the system(except
> a couple), so be sure you don't have anything important running, but sounds
> like you don't at the moment.
> 
> if theres only a couple networking services running it may help just
> to do /etc/init.d/networking restart, and restart the various services
> as well(networking restart probably isn't performed when changing runlevels
> so you may want to do this too just for kicks)
> 
> 
> nate
> 

I have restarted /etc/init.d/networking and /etc/init.d/xinetd, as well
as reloading /etc/init.d/bind, but I haven't gone to the point of the
switch of runlevels, partly because *something* rewrites my
/etc/resolv.conf, and I suspect that is the ppp startup - I'm wary to
start poking there too much for fear of making things twice as bad.
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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Shyamal Prasad

"Mike" == Mike Dresser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mike> But since there's no rsync server being used in this case,
Mike> it has to read the entire file anyways.

You don't need a server for the incremental updates to happen. rsync
on the client side invokes rsync on the remote side and does an
incremental backup anyway. That is why you need rsh/ssh or something
before you can rsync without the server. At least on a *nix
box. Perhaps wintel changes that...

/Shyamal


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Re: $DISPLAY

2002-12-18 Thread Shyamal Prasad

"Chris" == Chris Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Chris> Hey all, I dotn' think my $DISPLAY variable is set
Chris> correctly.  I'm trying to run an X program on a remote
Chris> computer through ssh.  It says:


Chris>  Cannot create window - please check your DISPLAY
Chris> environment variable.

If this happens even if you use 'ssh -X remotehost' then the remote
host has disabled X forwarding. If it works, well, just use the -X
flag :-)

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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Andy

> > I am trying to copy the whole drive from a Win2000 Server to a Debian box
> > over the LAN for backup. The whole 2000 drive is mounted on my /mnt
> > directory. This is the command I use:
> > steelhead:~# rsync -av --ignore-errors --force /mnt
> > /home/andy/serverbackup
> >
> > With rsync 2.5.5-0.1 I keep getting this error:
> > send_files failed to open //mnt/pagefile.sys: Text file busy
> > wrote 1997693597 bytes  read 311316 bytes  798403.56 bytes/sec
> > total size is 3608114930  speedup is 1.81
> > rsync error: partial transfer (code 23) at main.c(578)
> >
> > I rolled back to rsync 2.4.6-1 to try an older version and this time it
> > copies a few gigs but then hangs when it hits file in the c:\ root
> > directory. I am not sure why.  Google shows a ton of returns on the
> > partial transfer error but I can't find any solutions out there.
>
> don't back up pagefile.sys.  It's a swap file.

It still fails at the pagefile.sys even though I tell it to exclude pagefile 
and ntldr 2 different ways.  I have read the manpage but I am very weak on 
proper syntax.  I tried with including the .sys extension as well. No dice.
Can you correct me here?  Is my PATTERN correct?

This is the command I used:
steelhead:~# rsync -av --ignore-errors --force --exclude "mnt/pagefile" 
--exclude "mnt/ntldr" --exclude "pagefile" --exclude "ntldr" /mnt/ /root/nt

Here is the error:
send_files failed to open /mnt/pagefile.sys: Text file busy
wrote 1995009521 bytes  read 311284 bytes  794790.20 bytes/sec
total size is 3606469105  speedup is 1.81
rsync error: partial transfer (code 23) at main.c(578)


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Re: Modem dials without dialtone?

2002-12-18 Thread Randy Orrison

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 04:03:32PM -0600, Brooks R. Robinson wrote:
| | | Randy Orrison writes:
| | | > Is it likely to be just a poor modem,...
| | | Yes.  My Zoom modem does it too.  Very irritating.
| | Anyone have any ideas whether it can be fixed via a setting, or
| | recommend an external hardware modem available at a reasonable price in
| | the UK that won't dial if it doesn't have a dial tone?
| 
| It can be fixed with a setting.  I don't remember off the top of my head,
| but I recall doing so back in the day...  (I also had to get a modem to
|  dial without tone!!)  Check the modem documentation for one of
| those lovely & commands.

It seems there are lots of people with that problem.  When I googled for
things related to modem dialtone and so on, there were plenty of answers to
that question, but not the one I was asking!  Anyway... the modem
documentation consists entirely of Windows installation instructions.

Thanks for the help so far... if anyone comes across the setting to make a
modem not dial when people are talking, please let us know!

Randy


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Re: bash revisited

2002-12-18 Thread Clive Standbridge

On Wed 18 Dec 2002 15:02:13 +(-0800), Peter Hicks wrote:
> 
> I wonder if having a .xsession file source .bash_profile would be the
> right way to achieve this?

That's not exactly the same as invoking a login shell.
Instead, you could add this line to ~/.Xresources :
*loginShell:True

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Re: cups and hpijs driver

2002-12-18 Thread Donald R. Spoon

Michael Olds wrote:

Re: setting up DeskJet 960c as local printer on Woody box

I have reviewed the cupsomatic perl script situation and this basically
duplicates the work being done by the custom PPD and the foomatic-bin and
foomatic-db (at least that's how I understand it). I have also installed
cupsys-bsd, gv, and qtcups per various sets of instructions. So now I have
the following installed:
cupsis-pstoraster
cupsys
cupsys-bsd
cupsys-bsd
cupsys-client
foomatic-bin
foomatic-db
gv
hpijs
mpage
qtcups

Still no joy.

I think the problem is occuring somewhere between the printer as hardware
which seems to be installed ok, and the various installed packages which
also seem to be set up ok. It's just that the two are not talking to each
other.

Except for the fact that this may indicate something else wrong with my
setup, I'm about to say "Why do I need this?" since the printer off my W2K
box works fine and I could probably set up this printer on an open USB port
and have it up and running in two minutes (the little test it did for itself
looked like a very nice job of printing, better than the multi-function
OfficeJetT65 I use on the W2K box.)

1. What would be the best way to get everything print related out of the
machine to start over? Uninstall all of the above? Anything else?

2. Can I still be missing something in my kernel?

3. How do you command-line send a job to the printer? lpr and pdq both give
me: "command not found". I looked in modutls aliases and inserted the lines:
alias /dev/printers  lp
alias /dev/lp0   lp
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
and rebooted, but that did nothing, so I removed them. My thinking is it is
something like this that is the problem: no communication between the
parallel port and the printing drivers.

4. I tried printing from the Web, no go, but that's no real test as Mozilla
doesn't do anything for me except see pages (I just installed the browser).

5. The error message off Nedit has changed, and is now: lpr: unable to print
file: server-error-service-unavailable


Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org




Do a "lsmod" as root and see if the following modules are loaded:

paraport
paraport_pc
lp

They should be loaded IF you are using the parallel port on your 
computer.  If you are using he USB, then you should have the appropriate 
USB drivers loaded, i.e.:

usb-uhci
usb-core
printer

If any of these (depending on how you have the printer attached) are 
missing, add them to /etc/modules file and reboot.  Re-check that they 
got loaded and re-configure your printer in CUPS.

I am using the parallel port here on my 960C and it detects it on bootup 
just fine.  I havn't used the USB setup, so the above might be a bit 
off.  I know for sure you need to add those 3 for USB...you might also 
need the "lp" module...dunno.

I see a message in the bootup messages indicating it "sees" the printer, 
and when I try the KDE Printing Manager it shows up already listed in 
the "Local Port Selection" screen of the Wizzard.  You should also see 
the same thing, even if you are using the USB connection.  If it isn't 
listed on the Wizzard, then your computer is not "seeing" it!  You 
should also see it listed under the appropriate connection (parallel 
port or USB port) in the "device" screen on the CUPS web config tool.

HTH,
-Don Spoon-



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RE: cups and hpijs driver

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Olds

Re: setting up DeskJet 960c as local printer on Woody box

I have reviewed the cupsomatic perl script situation and this basically
duplicates the work being done by the custom PPD and the foomatic-bin and
foomatic-db (at least that's how I understand it). I have also installed
cupsys-bsd, gv, and qtcups per various sets of instructions. So now I have
the following installed:
cupsis-pstoraster
cupsys
cupsys-bsd
cupsys-bsd
cupsys-client
foomatic-bin
foomatic-db
gv
hpijs
mpage
qtcups

Still no joy.

I think the problem is occuring somewhere between the printer as hardware
which seems to be installed ok, and the various installed packages which
also seem to be set up ok. It's just that the two are not talking to each
other.

Except for the fact that this may indicate something else wrong with my
setup, I'm about to say "Why do I need this?" since the printer off my W2K
box works fine and I could probably set up this printer on an open USB port
and have it up and running in two minutes (the little test it did for itself
looked like a very nice job of printing, better than the multi-function
OfficeJetT65 I use on the W2K box.)

1. What would be the best way to get everything print related out of the
machine to start over? Uninstall all of the above? Anything else?

2. Can I still be missing something in my kernel?

3. How do you command-line send a job to the printer? lpr and pdq both give
me: "command not found". I looked in modutls aliases and inserted the lines:
alias /dev/printers  lp
alias /dev/lp0   lp
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
and rebooted, but that did nothing, so I removed them. My thinking is it is
something like this that is the problem: no communication between the
parallel port and the printing drivers.

4. I tried printing from the Web, no go, but that's no real test as Mozilla
doesn't do anything for me except see pages (I just installed the browser).

5. The error message off Nedit has changed, and is now: lpr: unable to print
file: server-error-service-unavailable


Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org


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external router [was: Re: getting networking to work]

2002-12-18 Thread Andrew Hurt

On 12/18/02 16:12, Adam Majer wrote:


:) With Linux you don't even need a router or most of the other
things. The only thing that is useful on a "normal" network
with "linux-aware admins" are switches and hubs. Linux can do all
the routing (hence the routing tables in Linux), NAT, 
bandwidth managment (qdisc stuff here) and much much more.
Frankly, a router in all but some extraordinary situations
is useless - well, my opinion at least :)

Definately proven, in application ;-)

But I was thinking that there are some benefits:  blocking, obfuscation, 
filtering, etc.  And the fact I could hook another machine to it so access could 
be shared.

I don't know very much, yet--not even to the stage of using iptables, etc.  Time 
be time, I guess ;-)

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fast but unresponsive modem connection

2002-12-18 Thread Jon

I connect to the internet using a good modem & phone line. The
connection is reliable, and fast for a 56k modem.

My problem is this: say I am downloading a file already. Then I want to
check my POP3 server at the same time - it'll work, but it will take an
~extremely~ long time, so long that I want to pause/resume the file
download just to get on and off the email server in a normal length of
time.

So, the connection is responsive when nothing else is going on. And
there's nothing wrong with the transfer speeds. But if there is already
a webpage loading or whatever, anything else goes really slowly. I never
noticed this much of an effect on Windows and I don't think it's my
imagination.

'MTU size' comes to mind but I don't know anything about it. What can I
do?


Thanks in advance,
Jon.


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Re: New Pppconfig --Please Test

2002-12-18 Thread Andrew Hurt

On 12/18/02 17:21, Pigeon wrote:

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:24:09AM -0500, Andrew Hurt wrote:


On 12/17/02 23:40, John Hasler wrote:


I've just uploaded pppconfig 2.1 to Unstable.  It contains few user visible
changes but substantial internal ones.  I would appreciate tests and bug
reports.  Dynamic-dns should work properly now: please test it.


I can only find 2.0.15 (June)--am I missing something? ;-)



Try
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pppconfig/pppconfig_2.1.tar.gz

I've just downloaded this and used it to reconfigure my ukonline
connection to use dynamic DNS. Result

IT WORKS!!! Thanks John! Brilliant.


Yes; thanks for the update.

Works well, as usual (but I don't seem to know a thing about dns, and don't know 
what I should look for) ;-)
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Re: Re: Kernel problems: QM_MODULES

2002-12-18 Thread Benedict Verheyen


 David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>"Tobias Bengtsson"  writes:
>> I just recently started a new project; to put together a new
>> firewall/gatway/webserver/etc at home. Now, I installed Debian 3.0
>> on an old p2-machine and then I did an dist-upgrade to the latest
>> unstable/testing.  Everything worked just fine, but then I decided
>> to compile a new kernel and that's when the problems started. I
>> downloaded the latest kernel (2.5.49) and started configuring it
>> according to my personal needs, and I then did a make install as
>> well as make modules, and make modules_install.
>
If you want to build such a machine, you should be using stable or testing
not unstable. Also, kernel 2.4.20 would me more than adequate. You do not
need a 2.5.49 kernel for a server.
To compile a kernel the debian way, install the kernel package or look at this site: 
http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.
The debian reference is also a good place to start:
http://qref.sourceforge.net/, it's also available as a package.

As gateway / firewall sollution, have a look at shorewall. It's very good and the 
debian maintainer always releases the latest packages fast.
All configuration is done through easy understandable config files.
I prefer it over ipmasq which is a package that practically does the same.

Regards,
Benedict


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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

2002-12-18 Thread Michael Heironimus

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:35:35PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> That was the first reboot in five weeks, and when the system came back,
> it couldn't find "localhost". It could find hosehead.dyndns.org and its
> various morphs (hosehead.dyndns.ws and mlkahnt.dyndns.org,) and it had
> no problem with 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 (eth1) and 192.168.1.3 (eth0),
> either. /etc/hosts was unchanged, but /etc/resolv.conf had been reduced
> to just two entries - my ISPs nameservers, each preceded by a blank
> line, leaving me to believe that some program is doing the rewrite on
> bringing up the network link (I suspect the culprit is "usepeerdns" in
> /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, although that has been there for over seven
> months.)

This may be a silly thing to ask, but do you get the right answers when
you nslookup localhost and 127.0.0.1? And if not, do you have them
defined in your zone files (you should)?

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Re: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.exe

2002-12-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Expert User) wrote:

>When the dhcpclient used to be dhcpcd, there was a way to run some
>script after the dhcp has run by putting a script in /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.exe.
>
>Now that I have dhclient, how do I achieve the same result?
>
>I learned from the man page that there is /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks
>script I can create, but how to associate it with a perticular
>interface?
>
>I need this to run my Dynamic DNS update script, everytime my IP
>changes.
>

I use ddts (http://www.ddts.org/) and there's a debian package
that polls the central server every minute and update the ip
when it polls. So when i install that client i only need to
open the appropriate port and my ip is updated every minute.
Your DNS service might (and probably does) have such a script
to do this.
Why not run it every x minute(s) instead of only when the ip changes?
It doesn't take a lot of bandwidth or cpu time to do so.
You can probably make a cron job out of it too.

Regards,
Benedict

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Re: how to stop spamassassin from scanning some messages?

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen A. Witt

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Colin Watson wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:55:18PM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:17:01AM -0700, Cameron Matheson wrote:
> > > You are using procmail to filter your mail aren't you?  In that case,
> > > just move the rule that filters your debian stuff into a different mbox
> > > (i guess i can assume you are doing that?), otherwise there might be
> > > some kind of conditional procmail rules but i don't know enough about
> > > it... try reading the manpage.
> >
> > sorry. i do not use procmail. can a similar thing be achieved with
> > .forward file that is used as a exim filter?
>
> The exim filter documentation is extremely well-written and extremely
> comprehensive.
>

Yeah, I think the exim docs are very well done causing me to switch to
exim a few years ago. And once with exim, using the exim filtering
mechanism is very natural. I once did use procmail, but IMHO the exim
filter "language" is less cryptic that procmail. In any case you can use
spamassassin with exim and exim filtering.  I'm using spamassassin at home
with exim, the exim-based filtering, and fetchmail. I found a web site
somewhere that detailed how to configure exim filtering to send it to
spamassassin for analysis, etc. and then return to exim for final local
delivery in filtered mbox files, which I have got set up and working well.
If I was home I could probably post my exim.conf file showing this, but I
would do a search on "exim spamassassin" or something like that, which
should allow to find some sites explaining how to do this. You don't need
to use procmail to do this.

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Re: Kernel problems: QM_MODULES

2002-12-18 Thread David Z Maze

"Tobias Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just recently started a new project; to put together a new
> firewall/gatway/webserver/etc at home. Now, I installed Debian 3.0
> on an old p2-machine and then I did an dist-upgrade to the latest
> unstable/testing.  Everything worked just fine, but then I decided
> to compile a new kernel and that's when the problems started. I
> downloaded the latest kernel (2.5.49) and started configuring it
> according to my personal needs, and I then did a make install as
> well as make modules, and make modules_install.

Unless you think you have good reason to think otherwise (like, you're
a kernel developer), you really want to avoid the 2.5.x kernel
series.  Stick with something known to work well, like 2.4.19 or
2.4.20.  I also highly recommend using kernel-package to build your
kernels, which produces Debian packages that you can manage using
dpkg.

(Of note, recent versions of 2.5 are known to have completely changed
the way module handling works, resulting in the errors you're seeing.
I don't think an updated modutils is even in unstable yet.  woody
certainly won't be happy running a newer-than-2.4 kernel, just as
potato wasn't happy running a newer-than-2.2 kernel without packages
backported from woody.)

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Informazioni su DEBIAN

2002-12-18 Thread Nunzio




Salve a tutti, faccio la premessa che sono un 
principiante su debian, volevo solo sapere se esiste un manuale ufficiale 
"DEBIAN" e come reperirlo eventualmente. Saluti ;)

Re: bash revisited

2002-12-18 Thread Peter Hicks

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:51:22PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
>Hello users,
>
>I posted a message regarding bash and what files it executes. Some replied 
>that I should read the invocation section of the bash man page. I've done 
>just that and while some questions are answered, others are not.
>As far as I understand this, there are two ways of invoking bash.
>1. interactive login shell or non-interactive with '--login' option
>This will execute /etc/profile -> ~/.bash_profile -> ~/.bash_login -> 
>~/.profile
>
>2. non-interactive login shell
>This will execute ~/.bashrc
>
>Now according to these rules and by using 'echo' statements in some files, 
>it was obvious that I was using the non-interactive login shell. My .bashrc 
>file does NOT contain anything that sets up a new PATH. So how is the PATH 
>env set? Is KDM somehow executing something that I'm not seeing?
>
>bp
>

I wonder if having a .xsession file source .bash_profile would be the
right way to achieve this?

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Re: bash

2002-12-18 Thread Dave Sherohman

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 04:01:51AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> How does that one work then?

Observe:

$ echo '#!/bin/bash' > foo.sh
$ echo 'echo "It runs"' >> foo.sh
$ cat foo.sh 
#!/bin/bash
echo "It runs"
$ ./foo.sh
bash: ./foo.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
$ bash foo.sh 
It runs

You can run a non-executable script by passing its filename to the
proper interpreter (in which case the #! line isn't needed, BTW).

As mentioned earlier, though, the profile is sourced, not executed.
The difference?

$ echo 'export BAR=1' > foo.sh
$ chmod +x foo.sh
$ ./foo.sh
$ echo $BAR

$ source foo.sh
$ echo $BAR
1

Executing foo.sh started a new shell process and set BAR in that process,
but had no effect on the shell I gave the command to.  Sourcing it
caused it to run in the existing shell, so it was able to modify that
environment.  I'm sure you can see that profiles would be much less
useful if they were executed instead of sourced...

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Re: OT: benefits of preloading libraries

2002-12-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek

> my grandparents sent me their ThinkNIC,

> I was shocked on how fast it booted up X, I guess its because its
> so stripped down(I upgraded it to 128MB from 64MB), but was wondering
> if the preloading of stuff had much to do with it,

Xvesa starts up very fast indeed (for many reasons, including the lack
of module support and the fact that it doesn't need to be careful with
hardware).

Preloading is about hard-wiring addresses of shared library symbols in
executables.  It does give some speedup for programs using a lot of
shared libraries (e.g. Gnome applications) but shouldn't make that much
of a difference in most cases.

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Re: New Pppconfig --Please Test

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:24:09AM -0500, Andrew Hurt wrote:
> On 12/17/02 23:40, John Hasler wrote:
> > I've just uploaded pppconfig 2.1 to Unstable.  It contains few user visible
> > changes but substantial internal ones.  I would appreciate tests and bug
> > reports.  Dynamic-dns should work properly now: please test it.
> 
> I can only find 2.0.15 (June)--am I missing something? ;-)

Try
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pppconfig/pppconfig_2.1.tar.gz

I've just downloaded this and used it to reconfigure my ukonline
connection to use dynamic DNS. Result

IT WORKS!!! Thanks John! Brilliant.

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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

Mark L. Kahnt said:

> Just tried each (well, not really the third, as I don't use nscd) and
> "localhost" can now be pinged, but exim and ftp are still not
> responding, meaning fetchmail is still being refused. Interestingly, I can
> dispatch a message to sendmail addressed to kahnt@localhost, and it gets
> through, which suggests to me that the sendmail for exim doesn't work
> through the smtp port, but just goes directly into the local
> delivery.

have you restarted the services? worth a shot if you haven't ..

the fastest way to restart everything would be to drop to runlevel 1
then go back (hit init 1, then when prompted for the root password hit
CTRL-D). note this will kill and restart all processes on the system(except
a couple), so be sure you don't have anything important running, but sounds
like you don't at the moment.

if theres only a couple networking services running it may help just
to do /etc/init.d/networking restart, and restart the various services
as well(networking restart probably isn't performed when changing runlevels
so you may want to do this too just for kicks)


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Re: Modem dials without dialtone?

2002-12-18 Thread John Hasler

Brooks writes:
> It can be fixed with a setting.

The problem is that it mistakes voice for dialtone.  No setting can fix
that.
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Re: $DISPLAY

2002-12-18 Thread Nori Heikkinen

on Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:37:23AM -0600, Chris Burns insinuated:
> I dotn' think my $DISPLAY variable is set correctly.  I'm trying to
> run an X program on a remote computer through ssh.  It says:
> 
> Cannot create window - please check your DISPLAY environment
> variable.

along these lines, i have a (non-debian) question -- i was just
sitting in the Sun lab, and a user came up and asked me for help -- he
couldn't open xemacs, because he was getting messages that didn't have
X permissions (or something; i didn't copy them down).  his $DISPLAY
variable was set to :0.0, and when i suggested he try logging in on
another client, it worked fine ... was this just a fluke?  huh.

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Kernel problems: QM_MODULES

2002-12-18 Thread Tobias Bengtsson

Hi,

I just recently started a new project; to put together a new
firewall/gatway/webserver/etc
at home. Now, I installed Debian 3.0 on an old p2-machine and then I did an
dist-upgrade to
the latest unstable/testing.
Everything worked just fine, but then I decided to compile a new kernel and
that's when the
problems started. I downloaded the latest kernel (2.5.49) and started
configuring it according
to my personal needs, and I then did a make install as well as make modules,
and make modules_install.

Problem is, when I boot the computer with the new kernel I get the following
error messages
when it's starting to load the modules:

modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.5.49/modules.dep (No
such file or directory)

And when I try to run lsmod or depmod, I get:

lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented

After about an hour of searching the Internet for answers as to why this was
happening, I more
or less found out that this problem only comes up when you haven't enabled
module support in
your kernel. But I have enabled module support in my kernel..

I've also tried updating modutils from the latest unstable deb-package to
the latest source
found on ftp.kernel.org without any result.

Is there something that I'm missing? Did I forget to do something?
Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Tobias Bengtsson



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Re: bash

2002-12-18 Thread Simon Law

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 04:01:51AM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Puzzled Pigeon: Huh? It gets executed, according to the first line...
> 
> # ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
> 
> It sure looks like a shell script, and you put shell script
> commands in it. And shell scripts need to be executable
> before you can execute them. 
> 
> Tries experiment: chmod a-x ~/.bash_profile and logs in from another vc.
> 
> Gordon Bennett! It's true an' all. Sorry Josh, I thought that was a
> typo.
> 
> How does that one work then?

It actually gets sourced by bash, not executed.  This means that
it is equivalent to you typing in these commands, and not run in a
separate process.

Simon


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RE: Modem dials without dialtone?

2002-12-18 Thread Brooks R. Robinson

| | Randy Orrison writes:
| | > Is it likely to be just a poor modem,...
| |
| | Yes.  My Zoom modem does it too.  Very irritating.
|
| Anyone have any ideas whether it can be fixed via a setting, or
| recommend an external hardware modem available at a reasonable price in
| the UK that won't dial if it doesn't have a dial tone?
|
| Thanks!

It can be fixed with a setting.  I don't remember off the top of my head,
but I recall doing so back in the day...  (I also had to get a modem to
 dial without tone!!)  Check the modem documentation for one of
those lovely & commands.

HTH,

Brooks


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/etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.exe

2002-12-18 Thread Expert User

When the dhcpclient used to be dhcpcd, there was a way to run some
script after the dhcp has run by putting a script in /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.exe.

Now that I have dhclient, how do I achieve the same result?

I learned from the man page that there is /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks
script I can create, but how to associate it with a perticular
interface?

I need this to run my Dynamic DNS update script, everytime my IP
changes.

Thanks,
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Re: FooBillards for Debian?

2002-12-18 Thread Frank Gevaerts

Yet another followup

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:58:02PM +0100, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> 
> Add 
> deb http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian ./
> deb-src http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian ./

Should be 
deb-src http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian/ ./

for the sources,
and
deb http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian/bin/i386/ ./
or
deb http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian/bin/powerpc/ ./
for the binaries. Binaries are still for sid

Frank

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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 14:49, nate wrote:
> Mark L. Kahnt said:
> > I run Bind 8.3.3 and exim 3.36, along with fetchmail 5.9.11 - I don't
> > think I'm considerably different from most others here at something like
> > that. Until yesterday morning when Zapping in overlay mode on display :0
> > gummed up Railroad Tycoon 2 on display :1, and then succeeded between them
> > in trashing the framebuffer, everything was working wonderfully.
> 
> 
> first guess, check /etc/host.conf ?
> 
> mine says:
> 
> order hosts,bind
> multi on
> 
> second guess: check /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
> 
> for hosts mine says:
> hosts:  files dns
> 
> third, if you have nscd installed, restart it after making any changes
> or just stop it totally for testing.
> 
> nate
> 

Just tried each (well, not really the third, as I don't use nscd) and
"localhost" can now be pinged, but exim and ftp are still not
responding, meaning fetchmail is still being refused. Interestingly, I
can dispatch a message to sendmail addressed to kahnt@localhost, and it
gets through, which suggests to me that the sendmail for exim doesn't
work through the smtp port, but just goes directly into the local
delivery.
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Gateway 600XL and Debian

2002-12-18 Thread Socheat Sou

I am considering purchasing this notebook and installing Debian on it. 
I've checked linux-on-laptops.com and mobilix.org for info on this
laptop, without any luck.  I also couldn't find any help on Google about
installing linux on this particular model (or even family).

Does anyone here have this laptop, and if so, how much success have you
had with getting the notebook setup and working with Debian?

Thanks in advance,
Socheat


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Re: Woddy and ATI Radeon 7500

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Majer

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:41:07PM +0330, Aryan Ameri wrote:
> Hi there:
> Guess I'm new around here, so hello to everyone.
> I recently bought a IBM ThinkPad A31, which uses a ATI Radeon 7500 mobiliti as 
> it's video card. Using woody, I can't setup my X server. when I issue the 
> command "startx" it gives me fatal errors like: "no screen found". I checked 
> the screen section of the XFree86 config file, and it seems to be ok. As I 
> have also installed mandrake 9.0 on this machine and mandrake worked 
> flawlessly (with 24 bit colour and 1400x1050 resouloution), I thought the 
> problem might be because mandrake uses XFree86 4.2.1 and woody uses 4.1.0, so 
> I upgraded X to 4.2.1 but things didn't improve. Am I missing anything here? 
> or has anyone experienced something similar with Radeon 7500?

4.2.1 should work.. how did you upgrade?


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Re: bash

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 10:32:19PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:24:52PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 05:02:42PM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote:
> > > I seem to recall that there are some conf files that aren't read if it has
> > > the wrong permissions.
> > > 
> > > Try chmod 644 .bash_profile first
> > 
> > s/6/7/
> 
> .bash_profile does not need to be executable.

Puzzled Pigeon: Huh? It gets executed, according to the first line...

# ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.

It sure looks like a shell script, and you put shell script
commands in it. And shell scripts need to be executable
before you can execute them. 

Tries experiment: chmod a-x ~/.bash_profile and logs in from another vc.

Gordon Bennett! It's true an' all. Sorry Josh, I thought that was a
typo.

How does that one work then?

Pigeon

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Re: Nvi recovery program please shove off

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 03:46:31PM -0500, sean finney wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 08:23:13PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > The other day something dumped me into vi, which I got out of by my
> > usual method of trying every key combination I can think of, swearing
> > a lot and doing kill -9 from another vc.
> 
> oh yeah, for future reference, :q! will quit you out without saving changes :)

Thank you... (tries it) Thank you again! I don't think I thought of
prefixing anything with a : . Just hope I haven't forgotten this by
the next time it happens :-)

Pigeon


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Re: Quake 3 + nVidia drivers

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Majer

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 10:56:29AM -0500, John Mitchell wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 December 2002 09:57 am, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> > > Using quake 3 on debian woody with the nvidia drivers the game loads
> > > fine but the display is all garbled.
> >
> > What parts of the display are garbled?
> 
> the text is unreadable and the graphics are horrible (ie. blocky and just 
> downright ugly
> 
> 
> BTW this is with and AMD k7 1300 mhz and nVidia GForce4 mx.

I've seen this with geforce2 mx. The problem was AGP related (AGP
set too fast...)


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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe otherways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Mike Dresser

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Vineet Kumar wrote:

> I say rsync is the way to go, since it handles incremental changes
> within files, which can be a very good thing, especially for large files
> with frequent little changes.

But since there's no rsync server being used in this case, it has to read
the entire file anyways.

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Re: getting networking to work [was Re: ethernet card]

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Majer

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 01:29:14PM -0500, Andrew Hurt wrote:
> On 12/16/02 23:40, Andrew Hurt wrote:
> >On 12/16/02 15:32, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> >
> >Once I connect (using the PPPoE interface within the router), I get 
> >access to the outside!  My connection was turned-on today and I'm 
> >getting about 84kB/s (much better than my old 53.2k dialup).
> 
> I finally got pppoeconf to set-up everything correctly--without the router. 
> Can now connect to ISP at boot-up.  I'm probably making my situation more 
> complicated than it really is (1 computer <-router-> ISP).
> 
> Have quite a bit of education ahead of me, it seems ;-)

:) With Linux you don't even need a router or most of the other
things. The only thing that is useful on a "normal" network
with "linux-aware admins" are switches and hubs. Linux can do all
the routing (hence the routing tables in Linux), NAT, 
bandwidth managment (qdisc stuff here) and much much more.
Frankly, a router in all but some extraordinary situations
is useless - well, my opinion at least :)

- Adam

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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Vineet Kumar

* Andy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021218 12:10]:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with rsync?  I heard it was 
> simple and fast and the best choice for simple real time backups.
> 
> I am trying to copy the whole drive from a Win2000 Server to a Debian box 
> over the LAN for backup. The whole 2000 drive is mounted on my /mnt directory.
> This is the command I use:
> steelhead:~# rsync -av --ignore-errors --force /mnt /home/andy/serverbackup
> 
> With rsync 2.5.5-0.1 I keep getting this error:
> send_files failed to open //mnt/pagefile.sys: Text file busy
> wrote 1997693597 bytes  read 311316 bytes  798403.56 bytes/sec
> total size is 3608114930  speedup is 1.81
> rsync error: partial transfer (code 23) at main.c(578)
> 
> I rolled back to rsync 2.4.6-1 to try an older version and this time it 
> copies a few gigs but then hangs when it hits file in the c:\ root directory. 
> I am not sure why.  Google shows a ton of returns on the partial transfer
> error but I can't find any solutions out there.

don't back up pagefile.sys.  It's a swap file.

good times,
Vineet

> 
> Should I just use cp or maybe tar?  What do you all use for this kind
> of simple backup?

I say rsync is the way to go, since it handles incremental changes
within files, which can be a very good thing, especially for large files
with frequent little changes.

> 
> Thanks,
> Andy
> 
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Re: urgent - system slow after spamassassin

2002-12-18 Thread Chris Niekel

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 08:47:00AM -0800, Bob Nielsen wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 12:30:07PM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:
> > hello all
> > 
> > after installing spamassassin, my system has become terribly slow! i
> 
> I experienced this also.   The whitelist won't help, since the message
> still gets processed by spamassassin.
> 
> If you use spamc, which is the daemonized version of spamassassin, it
> will run somewhat faster, since it is written in C rather than perl. 
> It only helps a little, however, since it still needs to invoke
> multiple exim processes.  I ended up also running fetchmail as a daemon
> as well, getting messages from my ISP every ten minutes or so to avoid
> being overrun by a large number of concurrent messages.

Had the same problem. I added:
queue_only_load = 5
to my exim.conf. This stops exim from delivering the messages (and
starting spamc) when the load is over 5. After an outage of my adsl my
load shot into the 80, so this seems like a definite improvement. I
haven't noticed the sluggishness after that.

Hope this helps for others as well!

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Re: FooBillards for Debian?

2002-12-18 Thread Frank Gevaerts

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:57:13PM +0100, Frank Gevaerts wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:58:58PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > I saw a link for a neat game called FooBillards on LinuxToday. I graabed
> > the tarball and tried to compile it on my Woody machine without much luck.
> > 
> > Ca anyone point meto a .deb, or sugest how to get this to cimpile on
> > Debian?
> 
> I have debianized sources of an old version (1.5) on
> http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian/ 
> However, my version is rather heavily patched (improved snooker rules
> and better sound on powerpc). 
> Note that the build dependencies are (probably) not complete. I don't
> know if the debian directory can easily be moved to the new version. 

To follow up on my own mail, I have uploaded a debianized foobillard 2.2
sources, and a powerpc deb.
The snooker rules have been patched, and i have made ball and hole size
configurable.
The source should compile cleanly, and the build dependencies should be
complete.

Add 
deb http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian ./
deb-src http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian ./

to your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get build-dep
foobillard, apt-get source -b foobillard, and you should have an i386
deb. Of course, if you have a powerpc running sid, you can just apt-get
install foobillard

Frank


> 
> I plan to have a go at debianizing 2.2 and porting my snooker rule
> fixes RSN.
> 
> Frank
> 
> > 
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> > neither liberty nor safety."
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Re: bash revisited

2002-12-18 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 02:51:22PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
> Hello users,
> 
> I posted a message regarding bash and what files it executes. Some replied 
> that I should read the invocation section of the bash man page. I've done 
> just that and while some questions are answered, others are not.
> As far as I understand this, there are two ways of invoking bash.
> 1. interactive login shell or non-interactive with '--login' option
> This will execute /etc/profile -> ~/.bash_profile -> ~/.bash_login -> 
> ~/.profile
> 
> 2. non-interactive login shell
> This will execute ~/.bashrc
> 
> Now according to these rules and by using 'echo' statements in some files, 
> it was obvious that I was using the non-interactive login shell. My .bashrc 
> file does NOT contain anything that sets up a new PATH. So how is the PATH 
> env set? Is KDM somehow executing something that I'm not seeing?

Before BASH is started, init process set path, then PAM does some for
console.

Oh, you are on X with KDE.  Hmm the KDM also may do something after
init too.  I  do not know how much KDM honors PAM.

Good luck.
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Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]

2002-12-18 Thread Sam Varghese

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 03:33:23PM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus:
> Thus spake Sam Varghese ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:11:58AM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus:
> > > Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues
> > > with reading them.  Here's  description of what he's see'ing.  I'm using
> > > the latest mutt from unstable.
> > > 
> > > Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off
> > > auto-signing?  
> > 
> > Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail.
> > 
> > I use this in my .muttrc:
> > 
> > macro   compose \CP "Fgpg --clearsign\ny"

> Ok, I set that and will bounce it his way.
>
> Do you have an auto_view entry for application/pgp or
> application/pgp-signature?  How do you have it set up?  When mine is
> enabled it says it's not supported.

The only other options I have for GnuPG in my .muttrc are:

source ~/.gnupg
set pgp_sign_as="my_key_identifier"

Sam
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Which X pkgs to hold?

2002-12-18 Thread Tony Crawford

Hi Gang!

I have a woody notebook and put XFree86 4.2.0 on it from the 
tarballs (because of better hdw support than in X v3). Now I 
want to try out some window managers, but apt-get wants to 
install xfree86-common every time I ask it for an X app. 

The Question:

- What packages do I need to mark as "hold" (or better?) to save 

the XFree86 v4 installation from getting damageed? (I took most 
of the options offered in the X installation routine, except 
Japanese fonts etc.)

- Where would I have looked to find this out myself if I were a 
smarter user?

- What's the best way to mark those packages so that I can 
continue life with apt-get?

All kinds of anticipatory gratitude,

Tony

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Re: PowerPC + PReP

2002-12-18 Thread Johannes Berth

* Francois Chenais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:27:38 +0100, Johannes Berth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where can I find this zImage.prep ???

It's just a working kernel, so you could use the one that comes with the
Debian CD or you could compile a new kernel.



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Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]

2002-12-18 Thread Robert L. Harris



Ok, I set that and will bounce it his way.

Do you have an auto_view entry for application/pgp or
application/pgp-signature?  How do you have it set up?  When mine is
enabled it says it's not supported.


Thus spake Sam Varghese ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:11:58AM -0500, Robert L. Harris spake thus:
> > 
> > 
> > Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues
> > with reading them.  Here's  description of what he's see'ing.  I'm using
> > the latest mutt from unstable.
> > 
> > Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off
> > auto-signing?  
> 
> Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail.
> 
> I use this in my .muttrc:
> 
> macro   compose \CP "Fgpg --clearsign\ny"
> 
> Sam
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Re: rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

Andy said:
>
> Does anyone have experience with rsync?  I heard it was
> simple and fast and the best choice for simple real time backups.


rsync on win32 is flakey, and probably always has been. I used it for
about a year at my previous job for backups, it worked most of the time
but often the initial transfer took several tries, provided the amount
of data was limited it was usually successful.

if its a one time copy then I reccomend using tar. also, pushing the files
to a linux box instead of pulling them from(that is, initiating the rsync
from the remote side) seemed more reliable for me at the time. I used
the cygwin distribution on win32, and compiled a new version of rsync
from source though the end results weren't all that much different, enough
of a difference to rely upon it more or less though.

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Re: [robertsharris@comcast.net: Re: Fw: Ga. Visit.]

2002-12-18 Thread Sam Varghese

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> 
> 
> Since I started using GPG to sign my emails my father is having issues
> with reading them.  Here's  description of what he's see'ing.  I'm using
> the latest mutt from unstable.
> 
> Anything one of us can set to get around this other than me turning off
> auto-signing?  

Change your Mutt options to clearign your mail.

I use this in my .muttrc:

macro   compose \CP "Fgpg --clearsign\ny"

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Re: hesiod

2002-12-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> How about you simply don't link against the zephyr libraries at all?

Won't be done.  It's just a small number of libs that will not bother the
system much if you don't need them.

> I'm sure Zephyr sites wouldn't appreciate that, but I wonder how many of
> them there are?  I'm not convinced that it's enough to make it worth it

Well, I could say the same about all the crap the links to useless libx11,
couldn't I?  Or all those pesky SASL modules that made the backport to woody
such a pain (mysql, kerberos)...

Zephyr is staying in the official builds.  If someone that is bothered by
the dependencies does the homework needed to tell me I can downgrade them to
recommends, I will do so.  Otherwise, it's clearly not important enough to
waste my time in it.

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Re: apt-get update "error"

2002-12-18 Thread Steve

On 12/18/2002 11:50 AM, Colin Watson pounded the keyboard with stubby
fingers to type:

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:33:18AM -0500, Steve wrote:


And these archives are found where?



  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/


Thanks I'll look there, I searched my local archives for the past two weeks, I 
found it mentioned, but no solutions offered that worked. I'll try my luck in 
the official archive.




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Re: Need Help getting DRI working

2002-12-18 Thread Cameron Matheson

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:57:24AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Cameron Matheson wrote:
> >Hmmm, it looks like you're first problem is that you only compiled in
> >generic agpart support, but no actual agp device driver.  It looks like
> >you should enable 'VIA chipset support' in your kernel also...

> You mean like:
> 
> CONFIG_AGP_VIA=y
> 
> That was set; I just forget to include it in my original post.

Hmm, that is the correct line, what chipset is your board using, my
dmesg outputs the following:

Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 149M
agpgart: Detected Via MVP3 chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd800

Maybe your chipset isn't supported?

Cameron


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rsync fails to copy (both 2.4.6-1 and 2.5.5-0.1) maybe other ways to copy?

2002-12-18 Thread Andy


Does anyone have experience with rsync?  I heard it was 
simple and fast and the best choice for simple real time backups.

I am trying to copy the whole drive from a Win2000 Server to a Debian box 
over the LAN for backup. The whole 2000 drive is mounted on my /mnt directory.
This is the command I use:
steelhead:~# rsync -av --ignore-errors --force /mnt /home/andy/serverbackup

With rsync 2.5.5-0.1 I keep getting this error:
send_files failed to open //mnt/pagefile.sys: Text file busy
wrote 1997693597 bytes  read 311316 bytes  798403.56 bytes/sec
total size is 3608114930  speedup is 1.81
rsync error: partial transfer (code 23) at main.c(578)

I rolled back to rsync 2.4.6-1 to try an older version and this time it 
copies a few gigs but then hangs when it hits file in the c:\ root directory. 
I am not sure why.  Google shows a ton of returns on the partial transfer
error but I can't find any solutions out there.

Should I just use cp or maybe tar?  What do you all use for this kind
of simple backup?

Thanks,
Andy


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Re: $DISPLAY

2002-12-18 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney

-- Chris Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Wednesday, 18 December 2002, 05:37 AM -0600):
> I dotn' think my $DISPLAY variable is set correctly.  I'm trying to run 
> an X program on a remote computer through ssh.  It says:
> 
> Cannot create window - please check your DISPLAY environment variable.
> 
> So i checked the value of $DISPLAY and it is blank.  I'm not sure what 
> to set it to.  I used to be able to do this on a previous Linux 
> installation (i think it was Mandrake 8) but it has never worked on 
> Debian Woody.  Thanks for any help,
And one other thing to check (in addition to the X11Forwarding) is
whether or not you're trying to ssh via a login shell or a regular term
console; if you're using a login shell, your $DISPLAY won't be set on
the client machine anyways.

In the terminal from which you'll be initiating your ssh session, check
and see if $DISPLAY is set; if not, open a non-login shell and try it
again.

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bash revisited

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Park

Hello users,

I posted a message regarding bash and what files it executes. Some replied 
that I should read the invocation section of the bash man page. I've done 
just that and while some questions are answered, others are not.
As far as I understand this, there are two ways of invoking bash.
1. interactive login shell or non-interactive with '--login' option
This will execute /etc/profile -> ~/.bash_profile -> ~/.bash_login -> 
~/.profile

2. non-interactive login shell
This will execute ~/.bashrc

Now according to these rules and by using 'echo' statements in some files, 
it was obvious that I was using the non-interactive login shell. My .bashrc 
file does NOT contain anything that sets up a new PATH. So how is the PATH 
env set? Is KDM somehow executing something that I'm not seeing?

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Re: ipopd-ssl

2002-12-18 Thread Ben Hartshorne

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:05:32AM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Tom Allison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021218 03:35]:
> > How do you rebuild the SSL certificates?
> 
> I haven't used ipopd-ssl, but here's a few general ideas.
> 
> http://google.com/searchq?openssl+certificate+generation

minor correction:
http://google.com/search?q=openssl+certificate+generation

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Re: Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

Mark L. Kahnt said:
> I run Bind 8.3.3 and exim 3.36, along with fetchmail 5.9.11 - I don't
> think I'm considerably different from most others here at something like
> that. Until yesterday morning when Zapping in overlay mode on display :0
> gummed up Railroad Tycoon 2 on display :1, and then succeeded between them
> in trashing the framebuffer, everything was working wonderfully.


first guess, check /etc/host.conf ?

mine says:

order hosts,bind
multi on

second guess: check /etc/nsswitch.conf ?

for hosts mine says:
hosts:  files dns

third, if you have nscd installed, restart it after making any changes
or just stop it totally for testing.

nate




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Computer fails to recognise self - details at 11

I run Bind 8.3.3 and exim 3.36, along with fetchmail 5.9.11 - I don't
think I'm considerably different from most others here at something like
that. Until yesterday morning when Zapping in overlay mode on display :0
gummed up Railroad Tycoon 2 on display :1, and then succeeded between
them in trashing the framebuffer, everything was working wonderfully.

That was the first reboot in five weeks, and when the system came back,
it couldn't find "localhost". It could find hosehead.dyndns.org and its
various morphs (hosehead.dyndns.ws and mlkahnt.dyndns.org,) and it had
no problem with 127.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1 (eth1) and 192.168.1.3 (eth0),
either. /etc/hosts was unchanged, but /etc/resolv.conf had been reduced
to just two entries - my ISPs nameservers, each preceded by a blank
line, leaving me to believe that some program is doing the rewrite on
bringing up the network link (I suspect the culprit is "usepeerdns" in
/etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, although that has been there for over seven
months.)

I editted /etc/resolv.conf to add:

domain hosehead.dyndns.org
nameserver  127.0.0.1

at the top of the file and reloaded bind - things were generally
recovered, with one noticeable exception: fetchmail will not feed
collected mail into exim, report to the logs this:

Dec 18 04:06:00 hosehead xinetd[8398]: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line
13: can't verify hostname: gethostbyname(localhost) failed
Dec 18 04:06:00 hosehead xinetd[8398]: libwrap refused connection to
smtp from 127.0.0.1
Dec 18 04:06:00 hosehead fetchmail[8390]: SMTP connect to localhost
failed 
Dec 18 04:06:00 hosehead fetchmail[8390]: SMTP transaction error while
fetching from kingston.net 
Dec 18 04:06:00 hosehead fetchmail[8390]: Query status=10 (SMTP) 

I can't telnet to SMTP either, as either "localhost" or 127.0.0.1,
although hosehead.dyndns.org (and its variants) is fine. Line 13 of
/etc/hosts.allow is:

ALL: LOCAL

so I am wondering (and haven't been able to track down appropriate
documentation thus far) if the definition of "LOCAL" has been tweaked,
either in some securing layer, or something elsewhere that I might have
inadvertently, umm, buggered. I haven't been touching firewall rules, so
I shouldn't (hopefully) be blocking access to exim from 127.0.0.1, but
to be honest, at this point, I am rather lost where next to look. Part
of the frustration is that "localhost" is working on other ports (http
and ldap work, https, ftp and ssh don't - telnet doesn't because I don't
run a daemon to serve it, so it better not work!)

I would also note that my system didn't automagically generate an ssl
certificate for itself when it restarted - the previous one had expired
by that point. I'm suspecting that the confusion at startup over the
system identifying itself might be part of the reason there, and the
expired certificate at the time of a restart being another.

I'm hoping that fixing this "localhost" problem clears up everything
else, but after sorting out the rest, my brain hurts. Maybe I need a
brain doctor (Doctor! Doctor! Are you the DOCTOR! My BRAIN hurts! No!
The Brain in my HEAD!) Maybe I just need to borrow a few other brains to
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Re: Alpha installation

2002-12-18 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:40:18AM -0700, Ocasio Anthony R Civ 746 TS/TGGIG wrote:
> When I try to boot to either cd using 'boot dqb0 -flags 0'
> it seems to start reading from the cd, but halts after about 40 seconds, 
> the screen changes color, and the last line written to the screen is:  
> SMC37c669 Super I/O Controller found @ 0x370

It is possible that the system is actually booting at this point, but
sending the boot messages to a (nonexistant?) serial console.  But maybe
not...

> When I tried to create boot floppies from the Debian set, (on a linux
> system using dd) I get a smaller block count on the floppy than is on
> the cd for root.bin and rescue.bin and they don't work anyway.  (I'd
> prefer to boot from CD, though.)

What block counts did you get?  Were the floppes "DOS" formatted?

I can't help you much, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be able
to.

noah

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Re: $DISPLAY

2002-12-18 Thread Thomas Krennwallner

Hi!

On Wed Dec 18, 2002 at 05:37:23AM -0600, the boisterous
Chris Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote to me:
> So i checked the value of $DISPLAY and it is blank.  I'm not sure what 
> to set it to.  I used to be able to do this on a previous Linux 
> installation (i think it was Mandrake 8) but it has never worked on 
> Debian Woody.  Thanks for any help,

You have to enable X11Forwarding in the remote ssh server through
putting following line

X11Forwarding yes

into /etc/ssh/sshd_config (search X11Forwarding, its turned off per
default in debian). Then restart your remote server through

# /etc/init.d/ssh restart

Log in again and it should work now. DISPLAY should be set to
localhost:10.0

So long
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Re: hesiod

2002-12-18 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:58:17AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > I'm sure that if I were to enable notifyd and configure it to use zephyr
> > notifications, I'd run in to problems.  But otherwise, there's no reason
> 
> Ok. After that one (read what you wrote), I will only believe you if you
> show me an ldd of notifyd with shows that it is linked to the zephyr libs,
> and that they are not present in the system.  Also, I need the logs of a
> running notifyd configured for some sort of notification (that is not
> zephyr, obviously).

I said I'd "run in to problems", not that I'd get undefined symbols or
anything.  I didn't have the Zephyr libs installed when I *built* cyrus
and notifyd.  Thus notifyd is not liked against those libs.  Were I to
try and enable zephyr notifications, I would likely be told as much by
notifyd.

> That will show me that indeed notifyd won't break when the runtime linker
> tries to execute it...  Then I will take the pain to downgrade all that
> stuff to recommends (which will NOT be straigthforward, since I will have to
> muck around with automatically generated shlibdep stuff), knowing that it
> will not break things for anyone.

How about you simply don't link against the zephyr libraries at all?
I'm sure Zephyr sites wouldn't appreciate that, but I wonder how many of
them there are?  I'm not convinced that it's enough to make it worth it
to force all Cyrus installations to install zephyr libraries.  But of
course, that's the maintainer's call.  I'm sure you'll find somebody to
disagree with you no matter which choice you make.

noah

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Re: Cups getting tired

2002-12-18 Thread Florian Struck

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On Tuesday 17 December 2002 22:34, Cam Ellison wrote:

>
> My first guess is that you have the wrong .ppd file.  That is exactly
> what happened to me, and I ended up symlinking to the right one.
> Before we go further, what's the printer model number, and what's in
> your /etc/cups/ppd?
>
> Cam

Model:
Canon S400 (K10186 written on the bottom)

Canon.ppd in ppd directory? i can send it to you but it actually looks 
allright.
I btw succeeded in getting the page fit to the sheet using a foomatic driver 
but the output is very bad quality. And i earlyer too had best quality with 
gimpprint driver so i want to keep it but still after setting the page size 
to A4 with the gimpprint driver i get only upper left quarter printed over 
the whole sheet.
The bailing out of the http interface is still happenning always but it 
changes the settings anyway after a while when i exit and enter the interface 
again.
One more question i have is how do i enable the server so that i have access 
from another machine on the LAN?

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Re: ipopd-ssl

2002-12-18 Thread Vineet Kumar

* Tom Allison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021218 03:35]:
> How do you rebuild the SSL certificates?

I haven't used ipopd-ssl, but here's a few general ideas.

If you don't want to call openssl directly, you have a couple of
options:

1: If initially installing ipopd-ssl generated one for you, and you
haven't otherwise tweaked your configs, you could purge and reinstall
the package.  Note that purging will delete your existing config files,
so don't do this if you want to save any changes you've made.  (Or, back
them up, purge, reinstall, restore backups.)

2: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ipopd-ssl.postinst to see the commands it
used to generate the certificate and run these yourself.

otherwise, do it this way:

http://google.com/searchq?openssl+certificate+generation
;-)

My recommendation is #2 above.  It'll allow you to see where ipopd-ssl
expects to find its keys, and generally make sure things are set up The
Debian Way, how other packages might expect them to be found, as opposed
to a more generic or DIY way you might find from google.

It's probably just like 2 openssl command lines, and maybe a couple of
chown/chmods.

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Re: new key bindings?

2002-12-18 Thread Ben Hartshorne

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 05:51:33PM -0200, andrej hocevar wrote:
> Is there a way to map the, say,  F1 key to some command like poff
> or whatever else?

I use enlightenment to change my keyboard functionality in X, and xmodmap
to change the kebindings (I use the dvorak keyboard layout).  The xmodmap
stuff works in all window managers since it affects X instead of the WM, 
but the enlightenment stuff (suprisingly...) won't work in others.  ;)

in .enlightenment/keybindings.cfg, I have added a bunch of entries such 
as:

  __NEXT_ACTION
__KEY F10
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__ACTION __A_EXEC xmms-shell -e pause
  __NEXT_ACTION
__KEY F10
__EVENT __KEY_PRESS
__MODIFIER_KEY __SHIFT
__ACTION __A_EXEC dcd pause

so F9 pauses XMMS and Shift-F9 pauses the CD drive.  I also have fast 
forward, rewind, and volume control through xmms-shell bound to F7-F12.

Hope this helps!

-ben

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Russian Phonetic Keyboard, pt 2

2002-12-18 Thread Curtis Vaughan

According to some advice I got, there should be a file ru_yawerty in
/etc/X11/xkb/symbols, which apparently is for a Russian phonetic
keyboard. However, in my installation of Debian 3.0, KDE 2, there is no
such file. So, I found the file on the internet, and copied it over to
this directory.

According to the advice, I then need to issue the command:
setxkbmap ru_yawerty

which I did. After which I could no longer even type anything. So,
either I got the wrong ru_yawerty file or something else needs to be
done. Also, I need to somehow use the yawerty file for Russian and not
for English. When I issued the aforementioned command, I couldn't type
regardless of whether I chose English or Russian.

Curtis

ðÏ ÓÏ×ÅÔÕ Ñ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÀ, ÞÔÏ ÄÏÌÖÅÎ ÂÙÔØ ÆÁÊÌ ru_yawerty × ÐÁÐËÅ
/etc/X11/xkb/symbols, ËÏÔÏÒÙÊ ÐÏÌØÚÕÅÔÓÑ ÄÌÑ ÒÕÓÓËÏÊ ÆÏÎÅÔÉÞÅÓËÏÊ
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KDE 2. ðÏÜÔÏÍÕ Ñ ÎÁÛÅÌ ÔÁËÏÊ ÆÁÊÌ × ÉÎÔÅÒÎÅÔÅ É ÓËÏÐÉÒÏ×ÁÌ ÅÇÏ × ÄÁÎÎÏÊ
ÄÉÒÅËÔÏÒÉÉ.

ðÏ ÓÏ×ÅÔÕ Ñ ××ÅÌ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÕÀ ËÏÍÍÁÎÄÕ:
setxkbmap ru_yawerty

ðÏÓÌÅ ÜÔÏÇÏ Ñ ÂÏÌØÛÅ ÎÅ ÍÏÇ ÐÅÞÁÔÁÔØ ×ÏÏÂÝÅ! éÌÉ Ñ ÓËÏÐÉÒÏ×ÁÌ
ÎÅÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÙÊ ÆÁÊÌ ru_yawerty ÉÌÉ ÞÔÏ-ÔÏ ÄÒÕÇÏÅ ÎÁÄÏ ÄÅÌÁÔØ. ôÁËÖÅ ÍÎÅ
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ÎÅ ÄÌÑ ÁÎÇÌÉÊÓËÏÇÏ. ÷ÅÄØ ÐÏÓÌÅ ××ÏÄÁ ÄÁÎÎÏÊ ËÏÍÍÁÎÄÙ Ñ ÎÅ ÍÏÇ ÐÅÞÁÔÁÔØ ×
ÒÅÖÉÍÅ ÎÉ ÁÎÇÌÉÊÓËÏÇÏ ÎÉ ÒÕÓÓËÏÇÏ ÑÚÙËÁ.

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Re: FooBillards for Debian?

2002-12-18 Thread Frank Gevaerts

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:58:58PM -0500, stan wrote:
> I saw a link for a neat game called FooBillards on LinuxToday. I graabed
> the tarball and tried to compile it on my Woody machine without much luck.
> 
> Ca anyone point meto a .deb, or sugest how to get this to cimpile on
> Debian?

I have debianized sources of an old version (1.5) on
http://www.xs4all.be/~gevaerts/debian/ 
However, my version is rather heavily patched (improved snooker rules
and better sound on powerpc). 
Note that the build dependencies are (probably) not complete. I don't
know if the debian directory can easily be moved to the new version. 

I plan to have a go at debianizing 2.2 and porting my snooker rule
fixes RSN.

Frank

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Re: SSH w/ root and keypair authentication problem

2002-12-18 Thread Vineet Kumar

* Adar Dembo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021218 03:02]:
> I'm trying to create a backup script that will, when run, connect to 
> another computer, and rsync all of its partitions into the local computer.
> 
> In order to be able to rsync properly and copy all the files, the user 
> logging in must be root. However, this poses a problem, as 
> PermitRootLogin was "no" in sshd_config. So here is how I went about 
> trying to solve the problem.
> 
> First, some names. The source computer is called "dh3". The target 
> computer is "dh2".
> 
> On dh2, I ran:
> ssh-keygen -t rsa1
> ssh-keygen -t rsa
> ssh-keygen -t dsa

Just use one key, not 3.  3 keys is 3 times as many ways to get root
on that other machine; your backup script only needs one.  Let's just
use "-t rsa" to make an ssh protocol version 2 rsa key.

> Note the use of PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only which should allow 
> me to ssh in as root, using my keys, as long as I run a command afterwards.
> 
> The actual command being run on dh2 (as root) is something to the effect of:
> 
> ssh dh3.doggus.com rsync .

No, that's not quite how it works.  forced-commands-only will allow
login with that key and will automatically execute the command listed in
the authorized_keys file, ignoring anything specified on the ssh command
line[*].

Your authorized_keys should look something like this:

from="other.host",command="rsync --server 
something",no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding ssh-rsa 
1231241234123(key data) backup-key(comment)

Just use one key, not 3, and set up some options to make it more secure,
as in the above example.  Invoke rsync from the client as rsync, which
will try to use rsh (which is really ssh on your system, right? Or give
rsync -e /usr/bin/ssh).  That is to say you shouldn't be invoking "ssh
other host rsync something"

To figure out the rsync command to place in your authorized_keys file,
use ssh -v to see the command rsync tries to run on the server side
(it'll  be rsync --server something) and stick that in the command=""
option in your authorized_keys.

[*] The original command line is placed in SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND in the
environment of the executed command.  This can be used e.g. in a wrapper
script that needs variable arguments: it can parse $SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND
and use the args specified on the ssh command line.  For a backup
script, you shouldn't need variable arguments at all: it'll be run the
same all the time (assuming you're always backing up the same
directories).

good times,
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Re: OT: duplex entry in printcap

2002-12-18 Thread mtsouk

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Martin F Krafft wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:42:04 +0100
> From: Martin F Krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian users <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: OT: duplex entry in printcap
> Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:42:51 -0600 (CST)
> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi there,
>
> We have a duplex-capable HP LJ 5MP/Sx at the lab and instead of
> editing the postscript headers for every file I want to print duplex,
> it would be much nicer if I could just have an additional entry in
> /etc/printcap, so that lprng prints duplex when printing via this new
> entry.
>
> Problem is that I can't find any information on how to do that, or
> whether it's even possible. debian-user, bear with me and this
> off-topic post, is there someone out there capable of helping me?

I have a duplex-capable HP4050.
I don't use /etc/printcap but with CUPS I had no problems with duplex
printing.

cheers,
Mihalis



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Re: getting networking to work [was Re: ethernet card]

2002-12-18 Thread Andrew Hurt

On 12/16/02 23:40, Andrew Hurt wrote:

On 12/16/02 15:32, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:

Once I connect (using the PPPoE interface within the router), I get 
access to the outside!  My connection was turned-on today and I'm 
getting about 84kB/s (much better than my old 53.2k dialup).

I finally got pppoeconf to set-up everything correctly--without the router.  Can 
now connect to ISP at boot-up.  I'm probably making my situation more 
complicated than it really is (1 computer <-router-> ISP).

Have quite a bit of education ahead of me, it seems ;-)
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ndwht


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Re: FooBillards for Debian?