Re: your mail

[Johann Spies]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:15:38PM +0300, faisal diab wrote:
> I HAVE A MOTHERBOARD VIA AC97 WITH SOUND CARD SIS 300/305 &INEED IDENTIFICATON FOR 
> THEM

Please don't shout at us (don't use  CAPITAL LETTERS) and use a
meaningful subject line. 

You did not ask a question and it is not clear to me what you want.

Will you try again please.

Regards
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Re: freelance sysadmining -- friends

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Smaller.  Friends of friends, etc.  Build up a reputation before
> expanding.

friends can be across the other side of the country too :-0
( couldn't resist :-)
 
> You'll be going on-site much more than you think, if you want to
> keep your customers happy.

thats the problem, and you have to go onsite to fix the problem
cause ti couldnt get fixed remotely, and you happen to be
at a "have to be there" wedding out of town ... 
and if they are your friends, they probably be at
the wedding too so it wont be an issue

onsite problems will be at the wrong time :-)

> Anything with a GUI requires more on-site maintenance.  They can't
> just tell you what they typed.  Buttons, windows, tabs, icons all
> make for a big PITA.  Text UIs are a lot simpler.

i avoid people that use gui's for precisely that reason ..
client: i didn't change nothing... 

me-annoyed: than why is it broken when it used to work ??
- use find to see what all changed ... yupp.. its changed

( i'll fix it one last time ... for free... 
( i sometimes chattr +i that-file after i see that
( they know its working again and is happy

after that... they can click away .. all they like
( on purpose to learn or to play around or unknowingly )

> Get a durable car and keep in washed/waxed.

i made that mistake many times  didnt wash it for months ...
- wash your car after each ski trip for example

- and throw out all those newspapers, magazines, etc,etc

>  Pull out your piercings,
> hide your tatoos.  *Blouses* should be tucked into *slacks* or
> *skirts*[1].

you forgot the tie ..
you forgot dont use white sox with black shoes/pants :-)

dont use shirt/tie w/ jeans ( even if its 501s etc ) 
dont use $100 sneakers/air-jordons w/ tie
.. on and on ..  

brush your teeth and use listerine too :-)
( i hate it when the customers bend over your shoulders
( and you can smell the garlic/onion or worst

its fun when the other client dresses the same .. :-0
- hey dude, i prefer shorts-tshirt, i'm gonna come like
this from now on... if the suits are in town, tell me ahead of
time

>  In other words, look respectable "out there", even if 
> you put on the mid-riff t-shirt and low-rider jeans, and re-insert
> the piercings as soon as you get home.

but if one goes out of one's box... things/attitude/personality changes ??

> [1] if there is a paucity of females at the office/shop you are
> going to, consider shortening your skirt.  It's a very effective
> sales tool.

bad dude !!! - i'm not gonna say that ... you can guess what B means

a better tool is is she knows her stuff inside and out ...
 
> > About the credit card machine-- my mom closed her business, but she's kept
> > the machine.  So she says she could transfer it to my business.
> 
> Don't be discouraged, just don't do any work for family or friends!
> (If they don't pay, or think you did a lousy job, feeling could
> get hurt, and it would make for a very unhappy Thanksgiving, etc.

yuppers... and w/  turkey coming around the corner... 

now's a good time to say yoou're doing pc tech support work
and see how many free turkey dinners you get
vs charging them $$$ for support help

and dont bring un-invited guests or extra helpers just because
they are cooking food for your computer help :-)

c ya
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Re: Another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Mike Fedyk]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:03:01PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
> * Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031113 14:20]:
> 
> > 
> > With xserver-xfree86 it suggests a few hardware detection packages, that
> > should detect the hardware I have.  (I tested discover, and read-edid
> > manually, and they did discover the hardware I have).  So how do I get
> > xserver-xfree86 to use them?
> > 
> > Version: 4.2.1-13
> > Suggests: discover, mdetect, read-edid, libglide2 (>> 2001.01.26)
> 
> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86

   -pvalue, --priority=value
  Specify the minimum priority of question that will be
displayed.  dpkg-reconfigure normally shows
   low priority questions no matter what your default priority is.
   
That should be the default, but I'll give it a try anyway later (I'm in the
middle of some things in X right now...)

Thanks,

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CVS branch: what is "rcs -b" equivalence?

[Abdul Latip]

Hi,

May I know how to close a branch in "cvs"?
Eg. branch sequence: 1.1.0.1 --> 1.1.0.2 --> 1.1.0.3

Now, how to start branch 1.2?
In rcs, I can close it with "rcs -b"

May I know how to doit in "cvs"?

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Re: Another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Nick Hastings]

* Mike Fedyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031113 14:20]:

> 
> With xserver-xfree86 it suggests a few hardware detection packages, that
> should detect the hardware I have.  (I tested discover, and read-edid
> manually, and they did discover the hardware I have).  So how do I get
> xserver-xfree86 to use them?
> 
> Version: 4.2.1-13
> Suggests: discover, mdetect, read-edid, libglide2 (>> 2001.01.26)

dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86

If that doesn't work, try purging and reinstalling xserver-xfree86.

Cheers,

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CVS brach: what is "rcs -b" equiv?

[Abdul Latip]

Hi,

May I know, what is "rcs -b" equivalence in "cvs"?
Eg. in a branch, the revisions sequences are as following:
1.1.0.1 --> 1.1.0.2 --> 1.1.0.3

Now, I want to start branch 1.2. In "rcs", I will close the branch
by using "rcs -b".

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Re: window manager recomendation

[eCLe]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 21:51, Micha Feigin wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
> recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
> to fit the bill yet.
> I need a window manager with the following
> - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
> have much to spare).
> - Multiple desktops
> - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
> both the debian menus and a custom menu.
> - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
> - multiple desktops
> 
> I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on
> gnome which is too memory intensive).
> I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and
> fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have
> with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are
> sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly
> mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now.
> 
> Thanx.
> 

WindowMaker http://www.windowmaker.org  taste it


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Re: freelance sysadmining -- fun stuff

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya tom

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Tom wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:58:41PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
..

> 1. A couple of executives paid $50/hour for me to set up Quicken on 
> their wives's laptops.  (They were actually members of the Springs 
> family, of Springs mills [textiles] wealth).  I actually did this as 
> part of job.

yup ...  that's a good deal to go ahead and do :-)
 
> 2. One of my wierdest stories was getting stoned and installing Quicken 

you're nuts ... :-) but guess that's the fun of it

> 3. I used to help out struggling friends with their 'pooters and in 
> return have their wives would fix a nice pot roast dinner and we'd eat.  
> For a young bachelor, this was killer diller.  Or they'd just get me 
> high :-)

those are good deals  free dinner ( pot roast ) will always
get my attention ...
- it takes 2-3 hrs of out of their day ..

- you spend 2-3 hrs fixing and teaching them about their 
pc that they wanted to know about

- but if they say vegetarian food today ... than its i think
i have a meeting that day/evening .. :-)

- i like those deals or even go out to get some sushi/beer/pizza... etc
 

those "free food" say costs $20 a shot ...  which people dont seem
to mind paying for ( seem happy and insist on paying for dinner ) ... 
vs (grudgingly) paying $20 for pc tech support

--
-- its a lot better deal for you than the $50/yr deal :-)
--

> 4. I learned long, long ago that you cannot be Santa Claus with family 
> or friends or even small-time clients: as everyone here has said, they 
> will bug the shit out of you and you will eventually stop being friends 
> or will be upset with your clients.  Keep your expectations small and 
> you can make some pocket money and have some great life experiences.  

yup... thats the problem ... hard to turn friends down esp when they
depend on you to fix their PC at the wrong time for $$$
- "dinner for pc help" seems to work lot better

- or laundry in the case of "mom" :-)
( sorry ... had to add that too --  ( pressed shirts and pants
  for a change ))

- doing tech support for a mix of friends, family, small business is
  definitely a good course in "people management skills and 
  prioritization and time management"


- the whole point is listen to the potential client, and give
  um what they're looking for, even if its wrong, especially
  if they have  check in hand and/or pot-roast ready
- as tme goes on, those "wrong" things will get fixed too

( dont worry too much about the plan covering this or that )

- write up what they said they wanted
- add your disclaimer and non-responsibility if the pc melts

c ya
alvin


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Exim & Cyrus error notification simplification?

[Bill]

Hello all,
   I have configured Exim (v3.35) with Cyrus IMAP (1.5) and am having a 
small cosmetic problem in the mails that contain delivery error 
notifications  (mail box full, mailbox does not exist). Currently I am 
getting errors that look like the following:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Child process of ldap_delivery transport returned 67 (could mean user nonexistent) 
from command:
   /usr/sbin/cyrdeliver
The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:

-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

test: Mailbox does not exist 

-- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. --

[snipped]

I would like the error message to look like this:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
The following text was generated during the delivery attempt:

-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

test: Mailbox does not exist 

-- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. --

[snipped]

Note the delivery method and error number lines are gone leaving the 
user with a simpler failed delivery mail. Some of them are already 
asking what those lines mean. When I was testing the server, this was 
not a problem. Is there some method of removing that line for a failed 
delivery mail?

My Exim transport -

ldap_delivery:
  driver = pipe
  user = cyrus
  command = "/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver ${local_part}"
  return_path_add
  return_output
  prefix = ""
  shadow_transport = rrc
  transport_filter = /usr/bin/spamc -u mail
  message_size_limit = 10M
Thanks in advance
   Bill Cooper


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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 22:58, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> Yikes.  I'm starting to think the FooAdmin part of Foosoft is a bad idea...
> :(
> Now that you have thoroughly discouraged me from remote sysadmining, how
> about if I start small and locally with home users within a certain radius
> (50 miles?)?

Smaller.  Friends of friends, etc.  Build up a reputation before
expanding.

You'll be going on-site much more than you think, if you want to
keep your customers happy.

Anything with a GUI requires more on-site maintenance.  They can't
just tell you what they typed.  Buttons, windows, tabs, icons all
make for a big PITA.  Text UIs are a lot simpler.

Get a durable car and keep in washed/waxed.  Pull out your piercings,
hide your tatoos.  *Blouses* should be tucked into *slacks* or
*skirts*[1].  In other words, look respectable "out there", even if 
you put on the mid-riff t-shirt and low-rider jeans, and re-insert
the piercings as soon as you get home.
[1] if there is a paucity of females at the office/shop you are
going to, consider shortening your skirt.  It's a very effective
sales tool.

> About the credit card machine-- my mom closed her business, but she's kept
> the machine.  So she says she could transfer it to my business.

Don't be discouraged, just don't do any work for family or friends!
(If they don't pay, or think you did a lousy job, feeling could
get hurt, and it would make for a very unhappy Thanksgiving, etc.

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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya vikki

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote:

> Yikes.  I'm starting to think the FooAdmin part of Foosoft is a bad idea...
> :(
> Now that you have thoroughly discouraged me from remote sysadmining, how
> about if I start small and locally with home users within a certain radius
> (50 miles?)?

dont give up yet... just rethink the plan .. and why ...
its time vs  issue and risk of losing time, $$$ or patience or
care or friends or ??

or within 10 minutes driving time ??? -- nothing wrong with remote admin
as long as both understnad what that means ...
- i like admining across the pacific ocean .. 
but it gets to be a pain, "but the machine doesnt boot" :-)
( well stick a floppy in it ... oh no, it doesnt have a floppy
  drive .. and so goes the fun ...

and charge a "real fees"  as if it was a regular full-time job
( $3 - $4/minute of support )

$60K/yr is roughly $30/hr  or $0.50/minute ;-)

( adjust for your locale - based on competitors and skills
( and performance and abilities and customers requests 

or do it for free ... ( i can't bill somebody $0.50/minute ... )

do it for free because they are friends and neighbors or
ceritified tax deductable non-profit

charge business .. small/medium/large ...

> About the credit card machine-- my mom closed her business, but she's kept
> the machine.  So she says she could transfer it to my business.

usually the merchant bank will ask for those cc machines back
to avoid minimize any possiblity of cc fraud etc.etc..
( ie you cannot get a credit machine from anybody except
( the bank and "authorized agents"

get the c.c. ( merchant acct ) transfered into "roemer consulting"  and
get a  business license and bank account ...   and you're 1% of the way 
to gettting going :-)
- or have mom's flower shop change its name and
take over that unused acct
( just pretend like you "legally w/ proper paperwork" bought all
( the remaininng assets all aspects of the business that didnt
( file dissolution yet 

- it's a lot cheaper to use a merchant acct w/ a storefront
than to just do "internet only" merchant accts
( anywhere from 3% - 10% credit card processing fee )
- keep selling those previous widgets for a year or two
and than shut it down :-0

- a typical business w/ a storefront is about 1% - 3% c.c. fees


--
-- lots of thinking ... fun stuff to do local or remote admin ...
--  the techie part is only 5% of the work ..
--

have fun
alvin



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Re: window manager recomendation

[Marc Wilson]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:46PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
> This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At
> the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and
> considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3.
> 
> I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian
> menus. I've not tried.

There's a menu-method running around that'll give it access to the Debian
menu system.  It's not perfect, it has no ability to deal with menu entries
with ampersands in them (which XML requires you to escape), but other than
that, it does the job.  I attach it here, because it's only a few lines.

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#!/usr/sbin/install-menu
#
# Generates openbox menus for all registered applications.
compat="menu-1"

!include menu.h

genmenu="openbox-menu.xml"
rootprefix="/etc/X11/openbox/"
userprefix=".openbox/"
treewalk=M)
#rootsection="/Debian"

supported
x11=\
nstring(level(), "   ") "\n"nstring(level(), "   ")" 
 "esc($command, 
"")"\n"nstring(level(), "   ")"\n"

#wm=nstring(level(), "   ") "[restart] ("  esc($title, "()")  ")  {" esc($command, 
"()") "}\n" 

text=\
nstring(level(), "   ") "\n"nstring(level(), "   ")" 
 x-terminal-emulator -T \"" esc($title, "") "\" -e 
"esc($command, "")"\n"nstring(level(), "   ")"\n"

endsupported

preoutput= \
"\n\n\n"

startmenu= ""
submenutitle= nstring(level(), "   ") "\n"
endmenu= nstring(level(), "   ") "\n"

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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Tom]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:58:41PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> Yikes.  I'm starting to think the FooAdmin part of Foosoft is a bad idea...
> :(
> Now that you have thoroughly discouraged me from remote sysadmining, how
> about if I start small and locally with home users within a certain radius
> (50 miles?)?

Sure, you can make a buck or two like that.  But not a paycheck.
In 1993-1995, I was in my young 20s, and I have a couple of stories:

1. A couple of executives paid $50/hour for me to set up Quicken on 
their wives's laptops.  (They were actually members of the Springs 
family, of Springs mills [textiles] wealth).  I actually did this as 
part of job.

2. One of my wierdest stories was getting stoned and installing Quicken 
and setting up online banking at the local district attorney's house.  
(He was a young guy, and I was helping somebody else out).  It was 
incredbily strange circumstances but absolutely true.

3. I used to help out struggling friends with their 'pooters and in 
return have their wives would fix a nice pot roast dinner and we'd eat.  
For a young bachelor, this was killer diller.  Or they'd just get me 
high :-)

4. My brother in law paid me $25/hour to install some Macintosh 
computers in elementary & kindergarten classrooms, and hook them up to 
the internet.  That was totally wierd, going back to those little desks 
and water fountains.  A girl I knew from high school was the teacher.  
Wierd! (but fun).

4. I learned long, long ago that you cannot be Santa Claus with family 
or friends or even small-time clients: as everyone here has said, they 
will bug the shit out of you and you will eventually stop being friends 
or will be upset with your clients.  Keep your expectations small and 
you can make some pocket money and have some great life experiences.  

> 
> About the credit card machine-- my mom closed her business, but she's kept
> the machine.  So she says she could transfer it to my business.
> 
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Re: how to change beep noise

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Daniel Edmund Davison wrote:

> Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep noise
> it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is very
> loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not recognised. Is
> there an alteration I can make within debian to change/disable this noise?
> 

I use setterm -blength to disable the bell/beep.

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Another dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Mike Fedyk]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:18:11PM +0100, Jimmy Johansson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yesterday expecting it to
> create a new XF86Config-4 file, but it didn't. I moved the old
> XF86Config-4 to my /home/ directory and ran dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xfree86. Am I supposed to do something else?
> 
> I am asking because I want to try some different settings but I don't
> want to do it by hand...
> 

I have a similair question.

With xserver-xfree86 it suggests a few hardware detection packages, that
should detect the hardware I have.  (I tested discover, and read-edid
manually, and they did discover the hardware I have).  So how do I get
xserver-xfree86 to use them?

Version: 4.2.1-13
Suggests: discover, mdetect, read-edid, libglide2 (>> 2001.01.26)


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Re: window manager recomendation

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Burkhard Woelfel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031113 13:14]:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Thursday 13 November 2003 03:18, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > > Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
> > > recommendations for a window manager.
> 
> > Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox.
> 
> All the *box WMs are fairly similar. If you are new to them, I suggest 
> Fluxbox, as it handles keystroke shortcuts by itself. As far as I know, at 
> least Blackbox uses a keyboard handler application for that, which you would 
> need to set up. There are themes available for all of them.

Openbox3 handles keybinding by itself. It is highly customisable and
has great "pack" and "grow" window move and resize features. It is
also possible to do basically everything with the keyboard.  It is not
in Debian yet, but .debs can be found at
http://www.hetzi.at/thomas/debian.

This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At
the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and
considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3.

I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian
menus. I've not tried.

Anyway, HTH,

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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

Yikes.  I'm starting to think the FooAdmin part of Foosoft is a bad idea...
:(
Now that you have thoroughly discouraged me from remote sysadmining, how
about if I start small and locally with home users within a certain radius
(50 miles?)?

About the credit card machine-- my mom closed her business, but she's kept
the machine.  So she says she could transfer it to my business.

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Re: kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 & linux-wlan-ng Problem

[Nick Hastings]

Hi Thomas,


* Thomas H. George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031113 08:18]:
> I compiled a new kernel from kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 and, after 
> installing module-init-tools, most of my modules are loaded and working 
> except for my pci wireless networking card.  This has always been 
> something of a problem even with the 2.4.xx kernels.  apt-get install 
> linux-wlan-ng reports the latest version is already installed but newly 
> compiled kernels cannot install  the Netgear MA311 PCI Adapter.  I have 
> a copy of  linux-wlan-ng-0.1.16-pre16  which successfully installs the 
> adapter in for the 2.4.xx kernels but it aborts the make all command now 
> that I have compiled the 2.6.0-test9 kernel.

I used linux-wlan-ng drivers with the 2.4 kernels. Since switching to
2.6 I've found that the orinoco drivers that come with the standard
kernel work just fine. Perhaps you should consider switching.

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 question

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* Jimmy Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031113 08:16]:
> Hi,
> 
> I tried to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yesterday expecting it to
> create a new XF86Config-4 file, but it didn't. I moved the old
> XF86Config-4 to my /home/ directory and ran dpkg-reconfigure
> xserver-xfree86. Am I supposed to do something else?

I remember seeing this behaviour once with xfree86 4.2 in sid. I think
it bails out from updating the XF86Config-4 if it has been modified by
hand. I ended up removing and reinstalling it to make the new settings
stick.

apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86
apt-get install xserver-xfree86

Be warned, none of your previous settings will be remembered.

HTH,

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Re: Disaster recovery help, please

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Alex Malinovich wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:03, stan wrote:
> > Last night I was peacefully using my happy little Debian machine, 
> > when it froze. To make a log sad story short, it was a cataostrophic 
> > disc failure (still in waranty it turns out).
> > 
> > The good news, is that I have Amanda runing every night, so I really
> > don't think I will lose anything. However I have a question about
> > how to recover from this.
> > 

restore your system from a clean install ( original cd or off the net )... 
- unless yo know precisely why your system crashed/hung
( do you know if the backup has the "thing" also backed up
( that caused the "catastrophic failure", that restoring it
( will cause another failure in the near future .. time will tell

after a clean/fresh install w/ latest/greatest patches,
than restore your /home and other user data from backups 
( checking each section at a time so that your newly restored system
( doesnt crash again

- put this backup aside, and start a fresh new backup disks
  of the new system ... in a few months, merge that old backup
  with the new backups 
- you should have 3 different backups anyway scattered
about just in case one dies ( and the larger backups disks
holding some old-old data )

c ya
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Re: window manager recomendation

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On Thursday 13 November 2003 03:18, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
> > recommendations for a window manager.

> Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox.

All the *box WMs are fairly similar. If you are new to them, I suggest 
Fluxbox, as it handles keystroke shortcuts by itself. As far as I know, at 
least Blackbox uses a keyboard handler application for that, which you would 
need to set up. There are themes available for all of them.

But I don't know if that is still correct. I use Fluxbox a lot.

IceWM, which David suggests, is also very slim. It has a menu button in the 
taskbar, very similar to the infamous M$ Windows, but some people like that 
feature nevertheless.

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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Vikki Roemer]

Yikes.  I'm starting to think the FooAdmin part of Foosoft is a bad idea...
:(

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Re: Disaster recovery help, please

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:03, stan wrote:
> Last night I was peacefully using my happy little Debian machine, 
> when it froze. To make a log sad story short, it was a cataostrophic 
> disc failure (still in waranty it turns out).
> 
> The good news, is that I have Amanda runing every night, so I really
> don't think I will lose anything. However I have a question about
> how to recover from this.
> 
> I plan on restoring the complete amanda backup of the disk to
> another disk, on a running machine. So far so good. At that point
> I _think_ I should be in good shape, except for boot blocks, right?
> 
> So, given that I was using liol, what should I do to restore the boot 
> blocks?

Once you've copied the data back onto the new drive just boot from a
rescue disc or a Debian install disc and re-run lilo. In the case of the
Debian install disc (Woody), you'll want to do either:

rescue root=/dev/yourrootpartition

or

rescbf24 root=/dev/yourrootpartition

Unless you've been using a 2.2 series kernel, I'd suggest using
rescbf24.

Once you're booted up (ignore any errors for now), just run lilo as
root, take out the boot disc, and reboot. You should be back up and
running in no time.

p.s. I commend you for making regular backups. I recently had one of the
drives in my RAID 0 array start acting up and almost lost all of my
data. Luckily, I was able to recover the majority of my home directory
(the only really important stuff was there anyway), but it would have
been MUCH easier had I just had a separate backup somewhere.

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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

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> Its seems like a night mare to be for the simple
> reason that windows has this capability built into it
> and debian being far better than windows lacks such a
> basic thing?? are there any apps are written to over
> come this ?

Try running su -c tzconfig


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Re: window manager recomendation

[David Palmer.]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:51:10 +0200
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
> recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
> to fit the bill yet.
> I need a window manager with the following
> - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
> have much to spare).
> - Multiple desktops
> - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
> both the debian menus and a custom menu.
> - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
> - multiple desktops
> 
> I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on
> gnome which is too memory intensive).
> I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and
> fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have
> with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are
> sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly
> mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now.
> 
> Thanx.
> 
Icewm.
Regards,

David.


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Re: interface fonts in ooffice

[Marc Wilson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:47:27PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> I just reinstalled my system. After reinstallation the open office
> interface fonts are way too large and I couldn't find how to change
> them.

See bug #218585.

> My system is debian unstable.

Gee, there's another one now.

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Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!

[Marc Wilson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:18:29PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> The paper is A4, libpaper is configured for A4, --medium=libpaper
> is set, but the following problem prevails even if I set
> --medium=a4. A4 is described as "Medium: A4  595 842",
> basically it's all out of the box Debian without any changes.

Unstable's current a2ps is (a) broken wrt paper sizes, (b) is currently
without libpaper support.  You need to downgrade to the non-CVS-in-the-name
version, that being:

rei $ dpkg -l | grep a2ps
hi  a2ps   4.13b-20.2 GNU a2ps - 'Anything to PostScript' converte

Well, not -20.2, as I built that locally to avoid #202673.  The prior
version is actually -20.1...

It's all in the BTS.

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Re: Installing modem.

[Kent West]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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From: "oskar nl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hoyt Bailey wrote:

I recieved my USR5610B and replaced the Intel winmodem. 


From U.S. Robotic Installation guide

pag 4:
Linux 2.3 and Higher Users NOTE: All 2.3 and higher Linux kernels
contain the U.S. Robotics Linux modem drivers. Installation of the modem
under this kernel is fully automatic provided your kernel has the Plug
and Play module enabled (default).
BTW wich kernel you use?:


The kernel is 2.4.18bf2.4. and I have to accept the fact that the modem is
probably installed, but twice  it seems.
I don't understand what you mean by this. It doesn't make sense. The 
modem, a physical device that is singular in nature, can only be 
installed once, on a single physical PCI slot.


 I just rm /dev/ttyS3 & ttyS4.
Then I confirmed that they both gone. Then form the /dev directory I ran
MAKEDEV -v update, this restored /dev/ttyS3.
No harm done here; a good effort at troubleshooting.



 OK ttyS3 is where the modem
should be.  I had hope went and checked dmesg and there was ttyS0, ttyS1,
ttyS2 and ttyS4.
I believe I understand that you're saying that dmesg reports the 
existence of devices on /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, and /dev/ttyS4.

(In an earlier message I apparently mistyped that your modem is on 
/dev/ttyS3 -- but if I understand what you're saying above, it's on 
/dev/ttyS4 - probably - it's hard to say without the relevant portions 
of dmesg's output.)


Confirmed that /dev/ttyS4 does not exist. ?How do you
delete something that dosent exist?
Why do you want to delete /dev/ttyS4? Perhaps to "start over", like you 
did above with the other four standard ports? If it's not there, don't 
worry about deleting it.

Perhaps what you need to worry about is creating it.

Try "ls -l /dev/ttyS*"; you should get something like this:
crw-rw1 root dialout4,  64 May 12  2001 /dev/ttyS0
crw-rw1 root dialout4,  65 May 12  2001 /dev/ttyS1
crw-rw1 root dialout4,  66 May 12  2001 /dev/ttyS2
crw-rw1 root dialout4,  67 May 12  2001 /dev/ttyS3
If not, you might want to do:
MAKEDEV -v generic
to create generic devices, including the four serial ports.
So all you need to do is create a similar file for ttyS4. This command 
should do it:
	MAKEDEV -v ttyS4

Now see if your modem works.

I am attaching dmesg in case anyone can figure out how to fix this.
Unless I'm missing something, dmesg was not attached.



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Re: Spamassassin, keep feeding messages for bayes?

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:19:01PM +0100, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> my Spamassassin's bayes stuff finally kicked it as i now
> see bayes_00 and similar stuff in the headers.
> Do i need to keep feeding spam and ham to sa-learn?

Yeah, to keep it up to date and keep it really fine tuned.  Though I
would recommend using spamassassin -k and -r instead, since this will
also submit the hash to pyzor and razor.

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Anaconda, where's the beef?

[Fraser Campbell]

Hi,

Apologies since this isn't really a Debian question but does anyone know where 
a person can download the anaconda port for Debian?  I saw the announcement a 
while back from Progeny but there were no links, binaries, source or hints as 
to when they might make it available.  Perhaps they're waiting to get their  
public subversion server ready?

I'm hoping the port includes the ability to kickstart Debian, that would make 
it _very_ useful for me today.

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Re: window manager recomendation

[Erik Steffl]

Micha Feigin wrote:
Hello,

Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
to fit the bill yet.
I need a window manager with the following
- As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
have much to spare).
- Multiple desktops
- A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
both the debian menus and a custom menu.
- Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
- multiple desktops
  I like fvwm, it is fairly lightweigth (lot of stuff is in modules so 
if you don't need it just don't use it), not easy to configure (text 
files, but simple config is fairly simple), it has very good virtual 
screen support (you can drag windows from pager to current screen, move 
windows in pager, switch to different screens by moving mouse (if you 
want), by hotkeys or clicking on appropriate screen in pager, drag 
windows from one screen to another etc.), you can have keys for pretty 
much everything. You can have a panel or pop-up menu, your choice (and 
if you don't use panel it does not use any memory since it'sa module). 
Default debian config has menus (click root menu with each mouse 
button), you can easily change them and/or create your own menus and 
display them using either hotkeys or some mouse action etc.

  You can also define all the window decorations and what they do - how 
to minimize/maximize/iconify window, how to move resize window, how to 
lower/raise window etc. (e.g. I generally use no borders and resize 
windows by right clicking the title)

  the default look kinda sucks though... it can be changed completely 
(take a lok at www.fvwm.org)

	erik

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Re: window manager recomendation

[Roberto Sanchez]

Micha Feigin wrote:
Hello,

Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
to fit the bill yet.
I need a window manager with the following
- As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
have much to spare).
- Multiple desktops
- A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
both the debian menus and a custom menu.
- Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
- multiple desktops
I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on
gnome which is too memory intensive).
I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and
fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have
with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are
sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly
mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now.
Thanx.


WindowMaker all the way.  I especially like how the Debian packaged
version handles menus through /usr/lib/menu, /etc/menu, and ~/.menu/
Very lightweight and snappy.

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Re: Exim4 configuration

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:56:22AM -0600, Papadopoulos Alexis wrote:
> Anyway, someone knows how to get exim4 send mail outside without the use
> of a SMTP server ? (I tried their site but it was much complicated, I
> don't have enough strengh to read all the documentation, and even if I did
> I don't know if I would understand everything).

dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4?

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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 18:21, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> BruceG wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BruceG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
[snip]
> 
> Still a bit confused on what hardware components i need but
> the wife is getting really tired of the cable.
> I think she even deliberatly tries to ware out the cable: it runs
> under a door as well and she loves to open and close that door :)
> "Look honey, see, the cable is starting to fail here, look, look"

Jeez, isn't that what (the insides of) walls are for?

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Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 19:20, BruceG wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 16:58, BruceG wrote:
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Mike Dresser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, BruceG wrote:
[snip]
> Yeah, OOo for Windows might be a great start! I burned an OOo 1.1.0 RC2 CD.
> Will need to burn a new CD, and maybe pick up a user's guide.
> 
> Right now they use Corel Office Suite (Word Perfect) for the bulletin, and
> MS Office Suite for other apps. I didn't count licenses, but did do the
> story about there needing to be one license for each copy installed, and all
> licenses need to be stored and easily accessible by one (and only one)
> person. I think OOo is a great fit for most of their requirements, and it
> does fit into the sneakernet way of installing apps.
> 
> A good test would be to install OOo on one of the PC's, or even on a kiosk
> PC - then try to open docs. Unfortunately there isn't currently a Word
> Perfect filter for OOo.

StarOffice is supposed to have good WP filters.  Also, I've heard
that there's an OOo WP-filter project on sourceforge.

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Re: OT: Where Best to Express My Rage at M$

[Carl Fink]

Annoying though it may be, license terms you don't like are not
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Re: dvorak keyboard

[Jesse Meyer]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nori Heikkinen wrote:

> i've been getting enough questions off-list (of a few lists, not just
> this one) about my experiences with the dvorak keyboard layout that i
> finally wrote them up:
> 
>   http://www.maenad.net/geek/dvorak/
> 
> in case anyone's interested.

http://www.maenad.net/geek/dvorak/node24.html

Last link 'dvorak.txt' seems dead.

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Re: window manager recomendation

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
> recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
> to fit the bill yet.
> I need a window manager with the following
> - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
> have much to spare).
> - Multiple desktops
> - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
> both the debian menus and a custom menu.
> - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
> - multiple desktops

Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox.


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SOLVED: Re: IRQ conflict?! (was Re: Trouble with Alsa 0.9.6-5, 2.4.22 AC97 ...)

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 14:30, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 12:56, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 November 2003 15:50, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 09:28, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 08:20, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday 11 November 2003 14:07, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > # apt-get -u install kernel-source-2.4.22
> > > > > > # cd /usr/src
> > > > > > # tar xvfj kernel-source-2.4.22.tar.bz2
> > > > > > # ln -sf  
> > > > > >
> > > > > :-)
> > > > > :
> > > > > > Hey, look what's in /usr/src!!!  Never noticed that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > alsa-driver.tar.bz2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I'll have to take a look at that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup!
> > > > >
> > 
> > I just upgraded a basically kde system to use alsa. It was difficult but I got 
> > there in the end.
> > 
> > The main problem appears to be that the alsa packages cut out during 
> > installation because there appears to be a conflict between it and what was 
> > there before.  I had already got some files in both /etc/modutils and in /
> > etc/devfs related to my emu10k1 device.
> > 
> > I was also running the update (via aptitude) in a kde konsole window, which 
> > meant that the old sound system was being held on to by kde.
> > 
> > In the end, I got rid of my references in /etc/modules and /etc/devfs, dropped 
> > into console mode and killed off kde
> > 
> > I then reran dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base again.  I might even have had to 
> > reboot to get the permissions in /dev/snd and /dev/sound set correctly, can't 
> > exactly remember.
> > 
> > Anyway - all working now
> 
> Ah, lucky you.  When trying to do "# modprobe  snd-via82xx", I'm 
> getting this error in /var/log/syslog :
>  kernel: ALSA ../alsa-kernel/pci/via82xx.c:1897: unable to \
>   grab IRQ -19
> 
> # cat /proc/interrupts
>CPU0   
>   0:   92801266IO-APIC-edge  timer
>   1: 475234IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
>   2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
>   8:  1IO-APIC-edge  rtc
>   9:  0IO-APIC-edge  acpi
>  12:4838014IO-APIC-edge  PS/2 Mouse
>  14:3880253IO-APIC-edge  ide0
>  15:420IO-APIC-edge  ide1
>  18:2915153   IO-APIC-level  eth0
>  19:  2   IO-APIC-level  ohci1394
> NMI:  0 
> LOC:   92802586 
> ERR:  0
> MIS:  0
[snippage]

After looking in /var/log/dmesg (plain old dmesg is useless after
so long an uptime), I see that the ACPI on my mobo is buggy.

Rebooting with the "acpi=off" option fixed it.

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window manager recomendation

[Micha Feigin]

Hello,

Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for
recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem
to fit the bill yet.
I need a window manager with the following
- As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't
have much to spare).
- Multiple desktops
- A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for
both the debian menus and a custom menu.
- Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch)
- multiple desktops

I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on
gnome which is too memory intensive).
I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and
fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have
with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are
sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly
mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now.

Thanx.


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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "oskar nl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 16:02
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > I recieved my USR5610B and replaced the Intel winmodem.  Turned on the
> > computer and it dialed the ISP in Windows.  So I said hey this is going
to
> > be easy.  Went to U.S. Robitics website and no debian driver only RH,
> > Mandrake, & SUSE.  Ok I can do rpm.  downloaded rpm driver put it on a
CD
> > and booted debian.  Did ^alt F1 read man rpm & man alien.  No problem
> > mounted CD issued alien -i  ran ok w/no errors.
Checked
> > for files 3commdn and found the following:
> > /usr/share/doc/3commdn
> > /usr/share/doc/3commdn/changelog.Debian.gz
> > /usr/share/doc/3commdn/copyright
> > /usr/doc/3commdn
> > /usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.postinst
> > /usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.list
> > /usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.prerm
> > /usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.conffiles
> > /usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.md5sums
> > Read the copyright file and there is a statement (Not Installed).  Went
back
> > to X & read the log XFree86 no indication of modem. Tryed to start
> > connection -No-.  Any Suggestions?
> > Regards;
> > Hoyt
> >
> >
> >
>
>  From U.S. Robotic Installation guide
> pag 4:
> Linux 2.3 and Higher Users NOTE: All 2.3 and higher Linux kernels
> contain the U.S. Robotics Linux modem drivers. Installation of the modem
> under this kernel is fully automatic provided your kernel has the Plug
> and Play module enabled (default).
> page 6
> If you have Linux Reboot the PC and note that another serial port is
> listed along with the device name (/dev/ttyX), indicating the modem is
> present. Log in to the system. Check that the modem is communicating
> properly. If working in a shell environment, start a Minicom terminal
> session from the terminal prompt. If using X Windows, use Minicom
> through a shell window or use the dial-up program (Kppp or equivalent).
> Make sure that your internal modem is physically installed correctly in
> your computer. With power off, press the modem in firmly so that it is
> seated properly in its slot. When the modem is installed correctly, you
> will no longer see any part of the gold edge. If your modem still does
> not work, you may need to remove it and reinstall it in another
> available PCI slot. Shut down and restart your PC.
>
> Downloaded from:
> http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610b
>
> Take a breath a read carefully and go slow you are maybe repeating same
> mistake again and again.
>
> But if you still having problems and you want to try this rpm, looks
> like alien can't make a good debianizing, you can try installing rpm
> package, but the same package say:
>
> Description: Red Hat Package Manager
>   If you want to install Red Hat Packages then please use the alien
>   package. Using RPM directly will bypass the Debian packaging system!
>
> Well i hope you can make it without this last, but just another idea to
> make your modem get ready!!.
>
>
> BTW wich kernel you use?:
> uname -a
> will tell you.
> I hope this help you.
>
The kernel is 2.4.18bf2.4. and I have to accept the fact that the modem is
probably installed, but twice  it seems.  I just rm /dev/ttyS3 & ttyS4.
Then I confirmed that they both gone. Then form the /dev directory I ran
MAKEDEV -v update, this restored /dev/ttyS3.  OK ttyS3 is where the modem
should be.  I had hope went and checked dmesg and there was ttyS0, ttyS1,
ttyS2 and ttyS4.  Confirmed that /dev/ttyS4 does not exist. ?How do you
delete something that dosent exist?
I am attaching dmesg in case anyone can figure out how to fix this.
Regards;
Hoyt


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Re: how to change beep noise

[p]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:08:54PM -0600, Daniel Edmund Davison wrote:
> Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep noise
> it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is very
> loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not recognised. Is
> there an alteration I can make within debian to change/disable this noise?
> 
> thanks, 
> dan.
> 
> --
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> davisonATuchicago.edu
> http://home.uchicago.edu/~davison/
>

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kthxbye.

b.

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Re: OT: Where Best to Express My Rage at M$

[p]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:46:33AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I plan to send copies of the body of this message to the presidents of 
> Systemax and Tiger Direct, my senators, my congressmen and any one else 
> who might have influence.  I am postint it here for suggestions for 
> addresses.  The body is as follows:
> 
> I am enraged by the manipulations of Microsoft Corp which may force me 
> to pay for something I already own.
> 
>

__snip__
 
> The bottom line: I feel cheated by Microsoft's manipulations to enforce 
> provisions that I never intended to violate 


//

yes,...microso$t's "net," cast so
broadly as to ensnare the innocent.


//

>and by Systemax's complicity 
> in this scheme.
>

//

...the vendor; bullied, perhaps, into
complicity.


//

 
> Thomas H. George
> 114 Twin Creek Lane
> Kennett Square, PA 19348
> 
> 
>

//

i feel your pain.

luck.

kthxbye.

b.

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Re: looking for Knotes type application

[Wesley J Landaker]

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On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:54 am, Richard Kimber wrote:
> I don't use either the Gnome or the KDE desktops (just Blackbox, plus
> whatever apps I need).
>
> I find Knotes a very useful app, but it seems to use rather a lot of
> memory for what it does (in terms of how I use it - mostly as a
> storage space for copying and pasting between apps).  If I've
> understood top correctly it takes about 30MB, about 5 times more than
> Bluefish.
>
> Is there a similar stand-alone application, preferably gtk-based,
> that will provide me with similar functionality, but that is more
> economical? I've Googled till I'm blue in the face, but can't find
> anything.  There's a similar Gnome applet, but it seems that won't
> work on a stand-alone basis, or at least I couldn't get it to.

After a quick search in aptitude, I see:

xfce4-notes-plugin (only works in xfce, apparently, I haven't tried it)
xpostit (claims to do what you want, haven't tried it)
xpostitplus (like xpostit, with some extras like resizing)

One of those might do what you want. (I'd try probably xpostitplus 
first, given it's description).

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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[BruceG]

> 802.11B is 10 MBPS. 802.11G can go to 54MBPS. You may be limited by
> distance. I figure since my DSL connection is 256Meg or so - 10 Meg is
okay
> on the LAN side, although it can get slow doing backups over wireless.
>

Wow! That 256Meg is a FAST DSL connection! I should have said 256K. I just
ran a speedtest on it and got 214kbps uploads and 1024kbps downloads. Tha
seems about right.


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RE: better than nice -d 19

[Jochen Daum]

Hi !

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:17:39PM +1300, Jochen Daum wrote:
> >> And did you enable DMA on you disks (hdparm)?
> >
> >No, didn't. Thanks for this. But when I try hdparm -d /dev/hda I
> >always get
> >
> >using_dma = off (0)
> >
> >instead of enabling/disabling it as the manpage says. Does 
> this point
> >to not being turned on in the bios?
> 
> It points to reading the manpage more carefully ;)
> hdparm -d doesn't toggle DMA, you have to set it explicitly, ie.
> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
> !^!

faboulous. That was the (a) problem.


Jochen


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Re: Spamassassin, keep feeding messages for bayes?

[Steve Lamb]

Benedict Verheyen wrote:
my Spamassassin's bayes stuff finally kicked it as i now
see bayes_00 and similar stuff in the headers.
Do i need to keep feeding spam and ham to sa-learn?
Yes.  As time goes by the contents of both spam and ham will shift.  Not 
only in the content but the other data you generally do not see (IE, headers). 
 There has also been some informal studies that show that a Bayesian 
classifier like this works best with "positive reinforcement".  IE, even when 
it classifies something correctly it should be fed that to reinforce that 
classification.

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Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama

[BruceG]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama


> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 16:58, BruceG wrote:
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Mike Dresser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, BruceG wrote:
> > >
> > > > 3. Move PCs to new building. This is just a short walk, so they
could be
> > > > carried.
> > > > Insert floppy in drive to prevent failure. (is there a command
to
> > park
> > > > the hard drive?). Move the PC, keyboard, monitor, cables and mouse.
> [big snip]
> >
> > Finally - wireless is only acting as a bridge, as the old building is
> > pre-revolutionary war they don't want to do a lot of drilling. So it's
> > wireless between groups of PCs, the wired to the desktop. The payroll PC
> > talks across the wireless bridge sending and receiving data from banks.
The
> > bridges are not running encryption. So - wired is required, it's just
asking
> > for trouble to have wireless LAN access on PCs that need to be secure.
>
> Others disagree, but I totally agree with your thinking here.
>
> > I'd recommend Linux and OpenOffice for the desktops - but don't think
that
> > would fly. I would like to grab a spare PC and set it up so folks could
get
> > familiar, though. Kind of a kiosk PC.
>
> How about OOo on Windows?  If I was a User, I wouldn't like that
> big jump either.
>
> -- 
> -
> Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> Peace Thru Superior Firepower
>

Yeah, OOo for Windows might be a great start! I burned an OOo 1.1.0 RC2 CD.
Will need to burn a new CD, and maybe pick up a user's guide.

Right now they use Corel Office Suite (Word Perfect) for the bulletin, and
MS Office Suite for other apps. I didn't count licenses, but did do the
story about there needing to be one license for each copy installed, and all
licenses need to be stored and easily accessible by one (and only one)
person. I think OOo is a great fit for most of their requirements, and it
does fit into the sneakernet way of installing apps.

A good test would be to install OOo on one of the PC's, or even on a kiosk
PC - then try to open docs. Unfortunately there isn't currently a Word
Perfect filter for OOo.


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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[BruceG]

- Original Message - 
From: "Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one


>
> BruceG wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "BruceG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
> >
> >
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:16 PM
> >> Subject: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> my current LAN looks like this:
> >>>
> >>> cable - eth0 (public ip) -server
> >>> modemeth1 (192.168.0.1)
> >>>   |
> >>>hub
> >>>   |
> >>>   |
> >>>pc 1
> >>>
> >>> My server runs dhcp, apache, exim, fetchmail, webmail and so on.
> >>> Now the wife is fed up with the cable running through our living
> >>> room up the stairs to my room where the server, the hub and pc1 are.
> >>> Now we (she) wants to go wireless. I asked a local dealer and he
> >>> works with D-Link equipment more specifically the Di-714P+ or
> >>> the Di-614+. This would be the future setup:
> >>>
> >>> cablemodem --- router --wireless-- server -- hub -- pc 1
> >>> |
> >>> -wireless-- clients
> >>>
> >>> I have some questions about this:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. The server acts as a gateway now where eth0 is an ip from my
> >>> isp and eth1 is a fixed internal ip where a DHCP daemon is listening
> >>> to distribute ip's to the clients (currently pc1 but 1 other pc will
> >>> follow
> >>> and will be placed downstairs). Now i think i can still use the
> >>> server as gateway with the new setup but i will not be able to
> >>> secure the LAN with the firewall script that runs on it, correct?
> >>> I mean any incoming traffic can immediately go to the wireless
> >>> clients without going through the server first, right?
> >>> Is there anyway i can solve this? I thought about putting the server
> >>> between the cablemodem and the router to accomplish this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. I saw that there a 2 big differences between the Di-714P+ and the
> >>>  Di-614+: the Di-714P+ has printer server support (i don't care) and
> >>> the built in firewall stuff has SPI (Stateful packet inspection). Is
> >>> this
> >>> the same as what you would get with iptables? The 614 seems to
> >>> lack this.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Is  the network traffic encrypted by default?
> >>>
> >>> 4. What kernel options do i have to activate to be able to use a
> >>> wireless usb card (DWL-120+) . Usb is already compiled in. I'm
> >>> not even sure these will function under Linux. Any place i can
> >>> find out?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Benedict
> >>>
> >>
> >> Benedict,
> >>
> >>Double (and triple) check that your wireless cards are supported
> >> under Linux. I bought a Linksys 802.11B card only to find out the
> >> version I bought (2.6) was not supported, but 2.5 was. My desktop
> >> was dual-boot, and it worked fine under Windows.
> >>
> >>I then bought an 802.11B wireless card that attaches via USB
> >> slot. Not supported. Didn't work under Linux. Worked fine under
> >> Windows. Then I bought a Liinksys 802.11 A/B/G PCI card and built
> >> the madwifi drivers. That one got a signal and kinda worked, but was
> >> EXTREMELY slow due to poor reception.
> >>
> >>To avoid the whole mess, I picked up a wireless media adapter. It
> >> has an Ethernet port on it, and just bridges you into a wireless
> >> network. It worked, but kept dropping signals. So I returned it.
> >> (and all the previous stuff).
> >>
> >>I finally picked up a wireless bridge. A Linksys 802.11B WET11.
> >> It has great signal reception and works extremely well. No dropped
> >> sessions, no timeouts. If I use a hub or switch, I can have multiple
> >> PCs in the same room and go wireless downstairs.
> >>
> >>My setup is different than yours:
> >> DSL in --> Westell DSL Modem/Router ---> Linksys BFSX41 Router with
> >> 4 LAN ports.
> >>
> >> LAN Side: wired clients downstairs
> >>   Linksys 802.11G WAP for wireless clients
> >> Linksys 802.11G Cardbus card for laptop
> >> Linksys 802.11B WET11 Bridge for upstairs
> >> clients
> >>
> >> I have heard of people that use their PC to serve wireless clients.
> >> That's a little beyond what I can do.
> >
> > I forgot to mention a few things. I wanted 802.11G for higher speeds,
> > but that's not going to happen over longer distances (like downstairs
> > to upstairs). I also found that you don't get 802.

Re: keyboard doesn't respond: assistance needed

[Hooman Javidnia]

But KNOPPIX does not ask for a username. What happens when you boot the KNOPPIX CD 
with "knoppix 2" as boot parameters?
What do the messages show before he halts at the prompt?

Well, I tried it. The Linux prompt appears and the keyboard is working. The problem 
happens after I install KNOPPIX to the hard disk. There was one message on the screen 
while booting. It said:
modeprobe: can't locate module block -major-2
and after boot-up I got this message at the prompt:
root: cardmgr[70]: + Operation failed.
cardmgr[70]: start and exited with status 1

As I said when I boot from KNOPPIX CD everything works fine.
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Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote:

hi ya vikki

-- in a quickie summary ..

- yes .. anybody can do remote admin of a home users PC
including windoze admin (90% of the market is windoze at home?) 

- 95% of all admin can be done remotely, you only need a local
  gorilla to hit the power/reset button for you or to insert
  a cdrom or replace the hard disk, cpu, fan, pci cards,
  swap the nic cables, etc, etc

- most "support issues" needed by a home user is no different
  than small business or fortune 100 companies..
- both want their problem solved "now/asap" for minimum costs
and "zero" downtime

- they are having problems, thats why they came to you

- partner up with others of equal or better caliber and same
  pricing structure to provide better coverage for onsite support
- note that if you charge $25/hr and the other support
folks charges $25/email ... its a major mismatch of
being able to expand your support market share for
home pc users or businesses

- rest is inline for those that want to dig 

===
=== mom/dad  is uses generically (home user) as opposed to "businesses"
===


have fun
alvin


> On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 05:44:16PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > great idea and plan ... but ... 
> > 
> > - everybody can do this ??? and does ...
> 
> Not total newbies who view computers as a tool.  They don't know how to
> compile a kernel or set up a firewall-- most of them prolly have barely
> heard of firewalls.

firewalls are free .. just install norton or macaffee or any other
windoze apps and they're done

for linux stuff ...
- just install rc.firewalll and they're done

most people put too much emphasis on firewall, while also using
passwordless logins or simple dictionary word login, so why bother
with firewalls ... its NOT gonna protect anything

what people should do more, religiously is apply all patches
whether for *nix or for *windoze*
and windoze is 100% automated, they just need to be told
to click here, here there, and hit ok

> > i see more things done, explicitly mentioned on the "basic plan" than on
> > the "premium plan" ??
> 
> I'm still figuring out what a home user would need done on their computer
> that I could do over ssh-- I just came up with this plan tonight, actually.
> Also, note I'm mainly targeting home users at this point, though businesses
> are welcome to subscribe. ;)

+++
+++ the home user or businesses will tell you wwhat they want and how much
+++ they are willing to pay or that they expect this and that for free
+++
 
> > > > Premium Plan:
> > > > You get the basic plan, plus I will install/compile and configure any
> > > > packages you want.
> > 
> > installing is anywhere from 5 minutes to 5 hrs ... or 5 days ( raidtesting )
> > - depending on who is installing it
> > - depending on the hardware you're trying to install it on
> > - depending on how much they're paying for installing
> > - depending on how the system will be used 
> > - depending on the buyers paranoia level
> > - depending on security and backup process/proceedures
> > - depending on network, computer use policies
> 
> Most of that only applies to businesses.

think again  please ...

mom/dad dont want the kids to go to xxx-rate sites
( computer use policy )

mom/dad dont want to lose their tax info on their pc
( backup their pc to cdrom or ?? before the kids erase it )

mom/dad just found out all their friends got an xxx-rated/nigerian
scam spam mail sent toall their friends
( security issue and paranoia wake up call

mom/dad just want to surf the web for recipes  or does mom/dad want
to do work at home after hours
( security issue and a mjaor securtiy breach at work
( if the folks at work allow an insecure network from home
( connecting to their corp inside servers

- i know companies that have shutdown due to that,
and have since implement no remote home access 
unless the corp admin maintain that network ( for a fee )
out of the peoples check .. ( ie... what do you really do at home
??  -- typically free company paid (insecure) dsl line ..
$80/month )

mom/dad already has their old pc they want to keep using, and the new
distro and patches and upgrades doesnt work with the old klunker

you're the installer of whatever mom/dad wanted to install
and it doesnt work
- they want netmeeting, they want webcam, they want secure
banking, they want secure tax filings, ... blah ...

- they want grandma to surf the web 

- they want to watch the baby-sitter via webcam from the office


... small business, or large business or home users all have the same
... requirements and issues they want you to solve


> You mentioned backups-- how can I do backups over a network?  Do I use ftp?

network backup is pusshing the envelop of backups..
- most comp

OT: Where Best to Express My Rage at M$

[Thomas H. George]

I plan to send copies of the body of this message to the presidents of 
Systemax and Tiger Direct, my senators, my congressmen and any one else 
who might have influence.  I am postint it here for suggestions for 
addresses.  The body is as follows:

I am enraged by the manipulations of Microsoft Corp which may force me 
to pay for something I already own.

Several years ago I puchased a Systemax computer from Tiger Direct which 
came with Microsoft Windows ME pre-loaded and accompanied by a Systemax 
Recovery CD (not a set of installation CD's for Windows ME).  My 
understanding was that I had purchased a single computer license for 
Windows ME which the recovery disk would allow me to reinstall after the 
ubiquitous Windows crashes.  Use of the recovery disk is awkward but 
this was not of great concern as I make only limited use of Windows.

Wishing to be able to backup data to DVD+RW disks, I recently removed 
the originial motherboard and cpu and installed a new motherboard and 
cpu which support USB 2.  The Systemax Recovery Disk was keyed to the 
mother board and/or cpu and will no longer work.  *This is clearly a 
devising of Microsoft Corp to insure that I do not violate the license 
agreement by installing the Windows ME operating system on more than one 
computer.I HAVE NOT VIOLATED THE CONTRACT!  I stilll have the 
original motherboard and cpu which were operable when I removed them and 
presumably are still operable if they were reinstalled but they sit 
unused in a box in my closet.

*The solution would seem to be straightforward: Contact Systemax and 
obtain a new recovery disk agreeing to destroy the old motherboard/cpu. 
An email to Systemax tech support elicited the response that, as the 
computer was more than 90 days out of warranty,  I would have to use 
Systemax's telephone support at $40 per 30 minutes.  So pay Systemax and 
maybe get a new recovery disk or pay Microsoft for a new operating 
system - either way I pay extra for something I already have the right 
to use.

This is particularly aggrevating as I don't need or use most of the 
Windows ME features much less any newer Microsoft  operating system.  I 
use the Windows ME operating system for only three tasks:  To run a 
Windows only scanner, to run the excellent Sound Forge music editing 
software, and to play E-Bridge with an old partner living in Cleveland. 
 When the scanner fails, comparable alternate music edit software is 
available and my 84 year old partner can no longer play E-Bridge I wont 
need a Windows operating system at all.

For most of my computing activities - email, wordprocessing, 
spreadsheets, programming in C, C++ and Python, graphics, downloading 
and editing pictures from my digital camera, burning CD's (I have an 
extensive set of LP's which I am gradually converting to CD's for my own 
use with the Sound Forge software) and any other odd tasks I use Debian 
Linux.   I do this not just because its free - though, as I am 74 years 
old and retired on a fixed income, cost is a factor - but primarily 
because Debian Linux  operating systems and program packages are stable 
and customizable to an extent unknown in the Microsoft world.

The bottom line: I feel cheated by Microsoft's manipulations to enforce 
provisions that I never intended to violate and by Systemax's complicity 
in this scheme.

Thomas H. George
114 Twin Creek Lane
Kennett Square, PA 19348
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Re: What is the password of "root" when first run after the installation of the base system!

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:31:34PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> Please take the suggestions I previously made and enhance the sarge
> installation process accordingly.

Please send suggestions for the installation process to the appropriate
place, namely debian-boot or bug reports against the 'install'
pseudo-package.

Cheers,

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Re: kde in "testing" ?

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:19:52AM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:07:10PM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote:
> > * Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Since when?  I haven't seen kde3 in sarge.
> > 
> > It's there, all right, and so is KDE2.  Don't try to install KDE3 from
> 
> You're right, there's a partial transition from kde2 to kde3 in sarge.
> Neither are usable if you install a new system now.  (unless you go to
> unstable)
> 
> The testing scripts should keep this partial transition from making it into
> testing... Was it manually hinted?

Yes. Anthony Towns decided that it was better to get the KDE 3
transition started, since we're definitely going to need to have that
for the next release. If and when the KDE maintainers ever upload new
versions of things like kdebase, it should now be easier to get the
updates in.

It's definitely a problem blocking the release at the moment, of course.

Cheers,

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Re: better than nice -d 19

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Jochen!

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:17:39PM +1300, Jochen Daum wrote:
And did you enable DMA on you disks (hdparm)?
No, didn't. Thanks for this. But when I try hdparm -d /dev/hda I
always get
using_dma = off (0)

instead of enabling/disabling it as the manpage says. Does this point
to not being turned on in the bios?
It points to reading the manpage more carefully ;)
hdparm -d doesn't toggle DMA, you have to set it explicitly, ie.
hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
   !^!
HTH,
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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[Edward Murrell]

On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 10:30, Jigga Man wrote:

 
> Its seems like a night mare to be for the simple
> reason that windows has this capability built into it
> and debian being far better than windows lacks such a
> basic thing?? are there any apps are written to over
> come this ?

The timezone setup in Debian (and other distro's I assume) automatically
adjusts for day light saving. Did you adjust the GMT time to take
account of this? For example, in New Zealand, we are normally +1200 GMT,
but right now, during daylight saving, the GMT clock is 13 hours behind
our timezone.

It would be good to know your location/timezone to help.

Run tzconfig as root, and see if this sheds any light on things
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html

Edward




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Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 16:58, BruceG wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Dresser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, BruceG wrote:
> >
> > > 3. Move PCs to new building. This is just a short walk, so they could be
> > > carried.
> > > Insert floppy in drive to prevent failure. (is there a command to
> park
> > > the hard drive?). Move the PC, keyboard, monitor, cables and mouse.
[big snip]
> 
> Finally - wireless is only acting as a bridge, as the old building is
> pre-revolutionary war they don't want to do a lot of drilling. So it's
> wireless between groups of PCs, the wired to the desktop. The payroll PC
> talks across the wireless bridge sending and receiving data from banks. The
> bridges are not running encryption. So - wired is required, it's just asking
> for trouble to have wireless LAN access on PCs that need to be secure.

Others disagree, but I totally agree with your thinking here.

> I'd recommend Linux and OpenOffice for the desktops - but don't think that
> would fly. I would like to grab a spare PC and set it up so folks could get
> familiar, though. Kind of a kiosk PC.

How about OOo on Windows?  If I was a User, I wouldn't like that
big jump either.

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Jefferson, LA USA

Peace Thru Superior Firepower


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RE: better than nice -d 19

[Jochen Daum]

Hi !

> Hello Jochen!
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:58:35PM +1300, Jochen Daum wrote:
> >I have a backup process running on a debian woody webserver with
> >kernel 2.2.20-compact. The system is not very responsive while this
> >backup process is running. Is there any way I can improve that?
> >
> >I checked the nice value with top.
>
> Since you say you checked, I guess you mean nice -n ?
>
yes I do, was a mix-up.

> And did you enable DMA on you disks (hdparm)?

No, didn't. Thanks for this. But when I try hdparm -d /dev/hda I
always get

using_dma = off (0)

instead of enabling/disabling it as the manpage says. Does this point
to not being turned on in the bios?

Jochen


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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[Benedict Verheyen]

BruceG wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "BruceG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:16 PM
>> Subject: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> my current LAN looks like this:
>>>
>>> cable - eth0 (public ip) -server
>>> modemeth1 (192.168.0.1)
>>>   |
>>>hub
>>>   |
>>>   |
>>>pc 1
>>>
>>> My server runs dhcp, apache, exim, fetchmail, webmail and so on.
>>> Now the wife is fed up with the cable running through our living
>>> room up the stairs to my room where the server, the hub and pc1 are.
>>> Now we (she) wants to go wireless. I asked a local dealer and he
>>> works with D-Link equipment more specifically the Di-714P+ or
>>> the Di-614+. This would be the future setup:
>>>
>>> cablemodem --- router --wireless-- server -- hub -- pc 1
>>> |
>>> -wireless-- clients
>>>
>>> I have some questions about this:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. The server acts as a gateway now where eth0 is an ip from my
>>> isp and eth1 is a fixed internal ip where a DHCP daemon is listening
>>> to distribute ip's to the clients (currently pc1 but 1 other pc will
>>> follow
>>> and will be placed downstairs). Now i think i can still use the
>>> server as gateway with the new setup but i will not be able to
>>> secure the LAN with the firewall script that runs on it, correct?
>>> I mean any incoming traffic can immediately go to the wireless
>>> clients without going through the server first, right?
>>> Is there anyway i can solve this? I thought about putting the server
>>> between the cablemodem and the router to accomplish this.
>>>
>>> 2. I saw that there a 2 big differences between the Di-714P+ and the
>>>  Di-614+: the Di-714P+ has printer server support (i don't care) and
>>> the built in firewall stuff has SPI (Stateful packet inspection). Is
>>> this
>>> the same as what you would get with iptables? The 614 seems to
>>> lack this.
>>>
>>> 3. Is  the network traffic encrypted by default?
>>>
>>> 4. What kernel options do i have to activate to be able to use a
>>> wireless usb card (DWL-120+) . Usb is already compiled in. I'm
>>> not even sure these will function under Linux. Any place i can
>>> find out?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Benedict
>>>
>>
>> Benedict,
>>
>>Double (and triple) check that your wireless cards are supported
>> under Linux. I bought a Linksys 802.11B card only to find out the
>> version I bought (2.6) was not supported, but 2.5 was. My desktop
>> was dual-boot, and it worked fine under Windows.
>>
>>I then bought an 802.11B wireless card that attaches via USB
>> slot. Not supported. Didn't work under Linux. Worked fine under
>> Windows. Then I bought a Liinksys 802.11 A/B/G PCI card and built
>> the madwifi drivers. That one got a signal and kinda worked, but was
>> EXTREMELY slow due to poor reception.
>>
>>To avoid the whole mess, I picked up a wireless media adapter. It
>> has an Ethernet port on it, and just bridges you into a wireless
>> network. It worked, but kept dropping signals. So I returned it.
>> (and all the previous stuff).
>>
>>I finally picked up a wireless bridge. A Linksys 802.11B WET11.
>> It has great signal reception and works extremely well. No dropped
>> sessions, no timeouts. If I use a hub or switch, I can have multiple
>> PCs in the same room and go wireless downstairs.
>>
>>My setup is different than yours:
>> DSL in --> Westell DSL Modem/Router ---> Linksys BFSX41 Router with
>> 4 LAN ports.
>>
>> LAN Side: wired clients downstairs
>>   Linksys 802.11G WAP for wireless clients
>> Linksys 802.11G Cardbus card for laptop
>> Linksys 802.11B WET11 Bridge for upstairs
>> clients
>>
>> I have heard of people that use their PC to serve wireless clients.
>> That's a little beyond what I can do.
>
> I forgot to mention a few things. I wanted 802.11G for higher speeds,
> but that's not going to happen over longer distances (like downstairs
> to upstairs). I also found that you don't get 802.11G support without
> compiling madwifi drivers and using a card with the Atheros chipset.
> Mine was pretty expensive (I think $130 or so if I remember right - I
> bet I could have got a LAN drop run for that price!!!).
>
> Since I got an 802.11B bridge, I've read that ALL my 802.11G clients
> throttle down to 802.11B. I'm not sure if that is really so. If so,
> it would have been a lot less expensive to just buy an 802.11

Re: a2ps and page size -- driving me nuts!

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:18:29PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> Help!
> 
> I am trying to use a2ps to print 2 pages onto one. Very simple:
> 
>   a2ps -2 file.ps
> 
> The paper is A4, libpaper is configured for A4, --medium=libpaper
> is set, but the following problem prevails even if I set
> --medium=a4. A4 is described as "Medium: A4  595 842",
> basically it's all out of the box Debian without any changes.
> 
> When I print file.ps as I said above, it comes out unacceptably. The
> odd pages (left part of the output page) are perfect, but the right
> part (the even pages) are cut off. The width of the left page is
> about 143mm, the right page is only 126mm. I am printing the
> borders, and these widths are the spacings between the borders. So,
> with ASCII art, it looks like this:
> 
>   <--143mm><126mm-->
>   | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
>   | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
>   | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
>   | text text text text text text || text text text text te|
> 
> It does seem like the printer (LJ 2200dn) has an exceptionally huge
> top margin, but should that really affect the borders in this way?
> I also tried to increase the LLY (top) border of the medium (c.f.
> A4dj) from 24 to 50, but that changed nothing in the output.
> 
> I am confused. How can I print the two subpages qith equal width, so
> that they fill the printable area on the sheet?
> 
> Thanks,
> 

I also have this problem with a2ps, but with a HP LaserJet 5MP. I
switched from lprng to cups thinking that might help, but there
was no change; the problem persisted. Also, I am using US letter.
I didn't report it or ask for help, because I had a higher priority
problem at the time, and anyway discovered that a2ps did not really
address the problem that I had at the time. But I did see the problem,
so you are not unique.



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Disaster recovery help, please

[stan]

Last night I was peacefully using my happy little Debian machine, 
when it froze. To make a log sad story short, it was a cataostrophic 
disc failure (still in waranty it turns out).

The good news, is that I have Amanda runing every night, so I really
don't think I will lose anything. However I have a question about
how to recover from this.

I plan on restoring the complete amanda backup of the disk to
another disk, on a running machine. So far so good. At that point
I _think_ I should be in good shape, except for boot blocks, right?

So, given that I was using liol, what should I do to restore the boot 
blocks?


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Re: Preventing Forkbombs

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

Unilateral toltarian rule of the system ulimits... Set the max
for the system and the user can set it higher than that... This will
just make the forkbomb seg fault when it's hit the limit...

Regards,
Jeremy

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:56:37PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> How does one prevent a non-root user from locking up the system with:
> 
> perl -e "while(1){fork}"
> 
> System seems to become utterly unresponsive.  (It's a loaded question, I 
> know.)  Please no answers like: "don't do that" or "working by design".
> 
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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[Mark Ferlatte]

John Hasler said on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:49:10PM -0600:
> Mark Ferlatte writes:
> > Check that the following things are true:
> > ...
> > ...
> 
> Tzconfig creates the correct /etc/localtime link.

Good to know.  It doesn't do the other stuff, though, which also tends to cause
people grief.

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Re: how to change beep noise

[Benedict Verheyen]

- Original Message -
From: "Daniel Edmund Davison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:08 PM
Subject: how to change beep noise


> Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep
noise
> it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is very
> loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not recognised.
Is
> there an alteration I can make within debian to change/disable this
noise?
>
> thanks,
> dan.

I don't know how to change them as i HATE the noise so i shut it down.
Behold the power of silence :)
In my ~/.bashrc i added in the if [ "$PS1"]; then block
set bell-style none
set blength 0

Regards,
Benedict




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Re: Preventing Forkbombs

[Mark Ferlatte]

Florian Ernst said on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 12:39:58AM +0100:
> Hello Tom!
> 
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:56:37PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> >How does one prevent a non-root user from locking up the system with:
> >
> >perl -e "while(1){fork}"
> >
> >System seems to become utterly unresponsive.  (It's a loaded question, I 
> >know.)  Please no answers like: "don't do that" or "working by design".
> 
> You could set a ulimit, see man bash. I didn't have the need to try it
> myself yet, but I guess it should work.

You can also set resource limits using pam modules on login.

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Trying to move "Zim Dababase" binary app from SCO to Debian

[Marco Antonio V. Assad]

In fact, my first email wasn´t well explained. What I'm tring to do is move two
binary apps from SCO servers to Debian. They are "zim", a database, and
"noffice". Can anybody help me?

Here goes the original email again:
-
Hi all, 

I'm trying to run some SCO Openserver 5 binaries on Debian 3.0r1, with kernel 
2.4.18, in a Pentium machine. I've installed 'icbs-base', and tried to run the 
binary, but all I get is 'cannot execute binary file'. If I run the 'file' 
command on the binary, I get '80386 COFF executable'. 

Any help? Maybe I have to manually load some module in this kernel version? 

Thanks in advance. 


 
 


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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[John Hasler]

Mark Ferlatte writes:
> Check that the following things are true:
> ...
> ...

Tzconfig creates the correct /etc/localtime link.
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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[John Hasler]

Jigga Man writes:
> ...only thing is that we follow daylight savings time and now my clock (
> which shows up on the panel) is off by an hour.

Run tzconfig as root (you should have been offered an opportunity to do
this during installation).  If you can't find your time zone come back here
and ask for more help (and tell us where you are located).

> and from what i understand there is no way that debian has the
> functionlity to incorporate daylight savings time ??

Not true.
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Re: Preventing Forkbombs

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Tom!

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:56:37PM -0800, Tom wrote:
How does one prevent a non-root user from locking up the system with:

perl -e "while(1){fork}"

System seems to become utterly unresponsive.  (It's a loaded question, I 
know.)  Please no answers like: "don't do that" or "working by design".
You could set a ulimit, see man bash. I didn't have the need to try it
myself yet, but I guess it should work.
HTH,
Flo


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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[BruceG]

- Original Message - 
From: "BruceG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one


>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:16 PM
> Subject: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > my current LAN looks like this:
> >
> > cable - eth0 (public ip) -server
> > modemeth1 (192.168.0.1)
> >   |
> >hub
> >   |
> >   |
> >pc 1
> >
> > My server runs dhcp, apache, exim, fetchmail, webmail and so on.
> > Now the wife is fed up with the cable running through our living room
> > up the stairs to my room where the server, the hub and pc1 are.
> > Now we (she) wants to go wireless. I asked a local dealer and he
> > works with D-Link equipment more specifically the Di-714P+ or
> > the Di-614+. This would be the future setup:
> >
> > cablemodem --- router --wireless-- server -- hub -- pc 1
> > |
> > -wireless-- clients
> >
> > I have some questions about this:
> >
> >
> > 1. The server acts as a gateway now where eth0 is an ip from my
> > isp and eth1 is a fixed internal ip where a DHCP daemon is listening
> > to distribute ip's to the clients (currently pc1 but 1 other pc will
> > follow
> > and will be placed downstairs). Now i think i can still use the server
> > as gateway with the new setup but i will not be able to secure the
> > LAN with the firewall script that runs on it, correct?
> > I mean any incoming traffic can immediately go to the wireless clients
> > without going through the server first, right?
> > Is there anyway i can solve this? I thought about putting the server
> > between the cablemodem and the router to accomplish this.
> >
> > 2. I saw that there a 2 big differences between the Di-714P+ and the
> >  Di-614+: the Di-714P+ has printer server support (i don't care) and
> > the built in firewall stuff has SPI (Stateful packet inspection). Is
> > this
> > the same as what you would get with iptables? The 614 seems to
> > lack this.
> >
> > 3. Is  the network traffic encrypted by default?
> >
> > 4. What kernel options do i have to activate to be able to use a
> > wireless usb card (DWL-120+) . Usb is already compiled in. I'm
> > not even sure these will function under Linux. Any place i can
> > find out?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Benedict
> >
>
> Benedict,
>
>Double (and triple) check that your wireless cards are supported under
> Linux. I bought a Linksys 802.11B card only to find out the version I
bought
> (2.6) was not supported, but 2.5 was. My desktop was dual-boot, and it
> worked fine under Windows.
>
>I then bought an 802.11B wireless card that attaches via USB slot. Not
> supported. Didn't work under Linux. Worked fine under Windows. Then I
bought
> a Liinksys 802.11 A/B/G PCI card and built the madwifi drivers. That one
got
> a signal and kinda worked, but was EXTREMELY slow due to poor reception.
>
>To avoid the whole mess, I picked up a wireless media adapter. It has
an
> Ethernet port on it, and just bridges you into a wireless network. It
> worked, but kept dropping signals. So I returned it. (and all the previous
> stuff).
>
>I finally picked up a wireless bridge. A Linksys 802.11B WET11. It has
> great signal reception and works extremely well. No dropped sessions, no
> timeouts. If I use a hub or switch, I can have multiple PCs in the same
room
> and go wireless downstairs.
>
>My setup is different than yours:
> DSL in --> Westell DSL Modem/Router ---> Linksys BFSX41 Router with 4 LAN
> ports.
>
> LAN Side: wired clients downstairs
>   Linksys 802.11G WAP for wireless clients
> Linksys 802.11G Cardbus card for laptop
> Linksys 802.11B WET11 Bridge for upstairs clients
>
> I have heard of people that use their PC to serve wireless clients. That's
a
> little beyond what I can do.
>
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I forgot to mention a few things. I wanted 802.11G for higher speeds, but
that's not going to happen over longer distances (like downstairs to
upstairs). I also found that you don't get 802.11G support without compiling
madwifi drivers and using a card with the Atheros chipset. Mine was pretty
expensive (I think $130 or so if I remember right - I bet I could have got a
LAN drop run for that price!!!).

Since I got an 802.11B bridge, I've read that ALL my 802.11G clients
throttle down to 802.11B. I'm not sure if that is really so. If so, it would
have been a lot l

Re: Question about debian-update-3.0r1-i386.iso

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Barry!

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:55:08PM -0500, Barry Skidmore wrote:
I am getting ready to do a new install of Debian woody from iso's, and
just downloaded the first three.  In addition, I noted that there is an
iso named: debian-update-3.0r1-i386.iso
Do I need this, or is this iso what is used to update from an earlier
version of Debian?
You'll need this if you want to update from 3.0r0 to 3.0r1.

This and other questions are answered in
http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/
Especially see 'Which of the numerous CD images should I download? Do
I need all of them?' and 'What are the "update" CDs?', and please
consider using jigdo in the future, just in case you didn't ;)
HTH,
Flo


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Koffice installation

[Martin Wegmann]

Hello, 

I had some trouble with Kpresenter and thought if I remove it and install it 
again, some trouble might be solved. At least I can add new slides..only 
to be sure that I did not broke something by mistake and it is a real bug. 

well when I try to install Koffice again I get this message from synaptic:

"The selected package couldn't be installed/upgraded.

This is most probably caused by unmet dependencies that are not available in 
any repository."

it is a temporal problem? Or is there a work around available?


apt-get install koffice
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  koffice: Depends: kontour but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: kpresenter but it is not going to be installed
  libqt3-dev: Depends: libxcursor-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a 
solution).

apt-get install kpresenter
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  kdelibs-data: Conflicts: kpresenter (< 1:1.2) but 1:1.1.1-7 is to be 
installed
  kpresenter: Depends: kdelibs3 (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not going to be 
installed
  libqt3-dev: Depends: libxcursor-dev but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a 
solution).

well as far as I understand it, I have to install a newer version of 
kpresenter.

libqt3-dev is installed, but marked as broken because it requires 
libxcursor-dev - this one will not be installed because it conflicts with 
xlibs-dev

so far I only found a thread concerning problems with koffice 1.2.1 and kde 
3.1.1 but without a solution. 

using kde 3.1.3, testing/unstable


thanks in advance, cheers Martin


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Re: how to change beep noise

[Jacob S.]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:08:54 -0600 (CST)
Daniel Edmund Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep
> noise it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is
> very loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not
> recognised. Is there an alteration I can make within debian to
> change/disable this noise?
> 
> thanks, 
> dan.

I'm afraid I don't remember the setting to change to turn the beep off,
but you should be able to change the volume with the keys on the
keyboard that you mention by installing the "hotkeys" package. ("apt-get
install hotkeys" will install it for you, if it's not already
installed.)

HTH,
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Re: better than nice -d 19

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Jochen!

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:58:35PM +1300, Jochen Daum wrote:
I have a backup process running on a debian woody webserver with
kernel 2.2.20-compact. The system is not very responsive while this
backup process is running. Is there any way I can improve that?
I checked the nice value with top.
Since you say you checked, I guess you mean nice -n ?

And did you enable DMA on you disks (hdparm)?

HTH,
Flo


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Re: freelance sysadmining - web [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]

[Alvin Oga]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 13:58, Vikki Roemer wrote:
..
> > Could be.  I've been having problems lately with connections refused and
> > stuff.  Dunno what the problem could be.  I thought I'd restored the
> > settings that I'd lowered, but I guess not.  Where can I get a copy of the
> > default /etc/apache/httpd.conf settings to double-check?
> > 
> > TIA.
> 
> You could extract it from the .deb.

a first test case :-), now you can do your support for "users" and
see what happens,  and adjust your thoughts ( costs ) on "home user
support"

http://neuromancer.homelinux.com
http://bchomeschool.homelinux.com

both seem to have the same problem .. at least for me w/ konqueror

worst part probably, is that it used to work and something changed

support is always needed by some other machine/people at the wrong time 
( when you bz with something else )

and other possibility, if one gets "i cant see anything on your website"
is that the user ( me ) would have java scripts, java, cookies and cache
all turned off .. which sometimes renders empty websites even if they
do really have content when java/js is turned back on
( the sypmtom is "page loaded" shows but no content )

c ya
alvin


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Re: how to change beep noise

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Daniel!

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:08:54PM -0600, Daniel Edmund Davison wrote:
Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep noise
it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is very
loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not recognised. Is
there an alteration I can make within debian to change/disable this noise?
Perhaps softbeep - System bell replacement can do you any good.
But alas, it's not in Woody or at apt-get.org, so I guess you'd have
to backport it.
HTH,
Flo


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Re: initrd with sshd ?

[Erik Andersen]

On Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 07:32:47PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> This is very very similar to what S390 wants. Except that they might
> make do with telnetd instead of sshd.

http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html

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Re: modprobe question

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Hugo!

Just a short note,
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=213092
might be of interest, too.
Cheers,
Flo


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Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama

[BruceG]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Dresser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Free-lance - office move stuff-o-rama


> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, BruceG wrote:
>
> > 3. Move PCs to new building. This is just a short walk, so they could be
> > carried.
> > Insert floppy in drive to prevent failure. (is there a command to
park
> > the hard drive?). Move the PC, keyboard, monitor, cables and mouse.
>
> Are you using 5.25" drives?!?!
>
> If not, don't worry about parking the heads on a floppy drive.  In all the
> years I've kicked about 3.5" floppy drives, I've never had issues with
> them going bad from that.  I do remember the days of 360k floppy drives
> shipping with a cardboard insert, but these had a much different
> mechanical mechanism to lock the disk in.
>
> Hard drives are autoparking, unless you've got a bunch of really
> really ancient dinosaurs there.
>
> Easy way is don't drop the machine.
>
> > 3 LAN printers are on lease. Have leasing company move the LAN printers
to
> > make sure we don't void warrantees.
>
> This part is pretty sad, but I guess that's what the leasing company
> wants?
>
> > Okay - if you guys were doing an office move, what else would you
include?
> > It's a MS shop, so Linux would only play in there as a Samba server for
file
> > sharing and for backups.
>
> Doing something similar to this now, smbtar works very nicely for backups,
> Windows 95/98 can be restored on a hard drive right from the .tar.gz and
> it will work perfectly.  Just have to partition the drive, sys c: it, and
> restore the .tar.gz.
>
> Win2000/XP, you have to rebuild the OS, and restore the data files from
> your backup though.
>
> Definately leave enough time to restore a backup/rebuild a machine.  Are
> the machines powered up all the time, or shut down normally at night?  If
> they're powered 24/7, you can possibly expect to see a hard drive not come
> back after being powered up.
>
> Mike

Yeah - I used to work with some OLD stuff! But no, none of the equipment is
that out of date. The office is using PII's and PIII's with Win 98 on most
of the desktops. There are 5 desktops running Win98 and 2 laptops running
WinXP. There are a few more in the building we would move the office to. The
other building isn't currently cabled, but if it where - then we'd put the
other desktops on as well.

Currently there is NO backup strategy. I would hate to see the payroll PC
go, there would be no way to rebuild. Even worse, the
births/deaths/marraiges/baptisms PC has no backups. It would be a paper
trail to rebuild in the even of failure - and the poffice staff has been
trying to get ALL their records on the PC. So those 2 HAVE to be backed up.

The router acts as a firewall, and no desktps are runnng firewall software.
Since we also have wireless - that's a big risk. Also - some PCs have
AntiVirus software, some don't. Some of the PCs with AntiVirus have expired
subscriptions - so the filters are out of date.

Finally - wireless is only acting as a bridge, as the old building is
pre-revolutionary war they don't want to do a lot of drilling. So it's
wireless between groups of PCs, the wired to the desktop. The payroll PC
talks across the wireless bridge sending and receiving data from banks. The
bridges are not running encryption. So - wired is required, it's just asking
for trouble to have wireless LAN access on PCs that need to be secure.

I'd recommend Linux and OpenOffice for the desktops - but don't think that
would fly. I would like to grab a spare PC and set it up so folks could get
familiar, though. Kind of a kiosk PC.


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Re: cvs over ssh with non standard port

[Frank Gevaerts]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:47:47PM -0700, Gary Hennigan wrote:
> "Micha Feigin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I am trying to get cvs to access the repository through a ssh connection
> > when the sshd is listening on a non standard port.
> > I tried using
> > cvs -s CVS_RSH="ssh -p port" -d :ext:cvs:/var/lib/cvs co package
> > but cvs insisted on trying port 22.
> > Is it possible to do this?
> 
> I haven't tried it, but perhaps you can twiddle the config file,
> ~/.ssh/config. In there try a block like:
> 
> Host=cvs
>   Port=1028
> 
> And see what happens. This is on the client.

It does work. I had to do exactly this today

Frank

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Preventing Forkbombs

[Tom]

How does one prevent a non-root user from locking up the system with:

perl -e "while(1){fork}"

System seems to become utterly unresponsive.  (It's a loaded question, I 
know.)  Please no answers like: "don't do that" or "working by design".


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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[Geoff Thurman]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 9:30 pm, Jigga Man wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am pretty much a new user to debian linux and i have
> a problem setting the correct time on my system. My
> hardware clock is set to GMT and when i installed
> debian i chose the time zone correctly. only thing  is
> that we follow daylight savings time and now my clock
> ( which shows up on the panel) is off by an hour. I
> trired to look up help and found that i had an option
> of using ntpdate which would query some server using
> the internet and set the time. The problem is that
> this PC is not allowed to go to the internet. and from
> what i understand there is no way that debian has the
> functionlity to incorporate daylight savings time ??
>
> Its seems like a night mare to be for the simple
> reason that windows has this capability built into it
> and debian being far better than windows lacks such a
> basic thing?? are there any apps are written to over
> come this ?
>
> desperately looking for an answer
>
> TIA
>
> Jigga
>
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There is certainly a way to do this, because I did it a week or two ago. 
Sadly my mind has already let the process go. I think it might be a 
case of running tzsetup, with root permissions, saying you want to 
change the settings even if they already say London, and then look out 
for the daylight saving time setting. If this doesn't do it, try 
tzselect and follow a similar plan. It's there somewhere, honest.

Cheers,

Geoff


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Re: What is the password of "root" when first run after the installation of the base system!

[Otto Wyss]

> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:48:16PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > the password for root!?!
> > 
> > You should have been asked to supply a password during the installation
> > process. It's that one.
> > 
> I wasn't asked. I guess I just started the installed system right after
> 
After going again through every step of the installation, everything is
okay now. 

Please take the suggestions I previously made and enhance the sarge
installation process accordingly.

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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[BruceG]

- Original Message - 
From: "Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:16 PM
Subject: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one


> Hi,
>
> my current LAN looks like this:
>
> cable - eth0 (public ip) -server
> modemeth1 (192.168.0.1)
>   |
>hub
>   |
>   |
>pc 1
>
> My server runs dhcp, apache, exim, fetchmail, webmail and so on.
> Now the wife is fed up with the cable running through our living room
> up the stairs to my room where the server, the hub and pc1 are.
> Now we (she) wants to go wireless. I asked a local dealer and he
> works with D-Link equipment more specifically the Di-714P+ or
> the Di-614+. This would be the future setup:
>
> cablemodem --- router --wireless-- server -- hub -- pc 1
> |
> -wireless-- clients
>
> I have some questions about this:
>
>
> 1. The server acts as a gateway now where eth0 is an ip from my
> isp and eth1 is a fixed internal ip where a DHCP daemon is listening
> to distribute ip's to the clients (currently pc1 but 1 other pc will
> follow
> and will be placed downstairs). Now i think i can still use the server
> as gateway with the new setup but i will not be able to secure the
> LAN with the firewall script that runs on it, correct?
> I mean any incoming traffic can immediately go to the wireless clients
> without going through the server first, right?
> Is there anyway i can solve this? I thought about putting the server
> between the cablemodem and the router to accomplish this.
>
> 2. I saw that there a 2 big differences between the Di-714P+ and the
>  Di-614+: the Di-714P+ has printer server support (i don't care) and
> the built in firewall stuff has SPI (Stateful packet inspection). Is
> this
> the same as what you would get with iptables? The 614 seems to
> lack this.
>
> 3. Is  the network traffic encrypted by default?
>
> 4. What kernel options do i have to activate to be able to use a
> wireless usb card (DWL-120+) . Usb is already compiled in. I'm
> not even sure these will function under Linux. Any place i can
> find out?
>
> Thanks
> Benedict
>

Benedict,

   Double (and triple) check that your wireless cards are supported under
Linux. I bought a Linksys 802.11B card only to find out the version I bought
(2.6) was not supported, but 2.5 was. My desktop was dual-boot, and it
worked fine under Windows.

   I then bought an 802.11B wireless card that attaches via USB slot. Not
supported. Didn't work under Linux. Worked fine under Windows. Then I bought
a Liinksys 802.11 A/B/G PCI card and built the madwifi drivers. That one got
a signal and kinda worked, but was EXTREMELY slow due to poor reception.

   To avoid the whole mess, I picked up a wireless media adapter. It has an
Ethernet port on it, and just bridges you into a wireless network. It
worked, but kept dropping signals. So I returned it. (and all the previous
stuff).

   I finally picked up a wireless bridge. A Linksys 802.11B WET11. It has
great signal reception and works extremely well. No dropped sessions, no
timeouts. If I use a hub or switch, I can have multiple PCs in the same room
and go wireless downstairs.

   My setup is different than yours:
DSL in --> Westell DSL Modem/Router ---> Linksys BFSX41 Router with 4 LAN
ports.

LAN Side: wired clients downstairs
  Linksys 802.11G WAP for wireless clients
Linksys 802.11G Cardbus card for laptop
Linksys 802.11B WET11 Bridge for upstairs clients

I have heard of people that use their PC to serve wireless clients. That's a
little beyond what I can do.


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Re: Night mare to set day light savings time

[Mark Ferlatte]

Jigga Man said on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:30:02PM -0800:
> I am pretty much a new user to debian linux and i have
> a problem setting the correct time on my system. My
> hardware clock is set to GMT and when i installed
> debian i chose the time zone correctly. only thing  is
> that we follow daylight savings time and now my clock
> ( which shows up on the panel) is off by an hour. I
> trired to look up help and found that i had an option
> of using ntpdate which would query some server using
> the internet and set the time. The problem is that
> this PC is not allowed to go to the internet. and from
> what i understand there is no way that debian has the
> functionlity to incorporate daylight savings time ??
>  
> Its seems like a night mare to be for the simple
> reason that windows has this capability built into it
> and debian being far better than windows lacks such a
> basic thing?? are there any apps are written to over
> come this ?
> 
> desperately looking for an answer

Check that the following things are true:

In /etc/default/rcS:

UTC=yes

In /etc/timezone:

Whatever your timezone is.  In my case, it's US/Pacific.  You can find all of
the time zone files in /usr/share/zoneinfo.

ls -l /etc/localtime

should point to the zoneinfo file for your timezone:

]$ ls -l /etc/localtime 
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   30 May 13  2003 /etc/localtime -> 
/usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific

If _all_ of those things are true, then run date.

The output of date should have the correct timezone (Daylight vs. Standard).
In my case, date says:

Wed Nov 12 14:26:51 PST 2003

which has the correct timezone.

If (and only if), the correct timezone is showing, you should then, as root,
use date --set to set the OS clock to the current, local, time.  Once you have
done that, your hardware clock will be set correctly on shutdown.

ntpdate simply makes the last step automatic.

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Re: Debian version

[Lukas Ruf]

> Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-11-12 20:40]:
>
> Thanks,
>
> This is all thats in my sources.list (comments rm-ed) deb
> http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb
> http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib
> non-free deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib
> non-free
>
> Thanks for the idea about checking libc.  Do I check that against
> the ftp site? or someother way because, I just ftp-ed in and there
> are no dpkgs in debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386.
>
> What am I missing?  How can there be NO dpkg's in stable?

please do not top-post!

following the contents of your sources.list, I assume you are with
stable.

You can get the version of your libc6 by
dpkg -l libc6

For me, unstable, it reports:
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  libc6  2.3.2.ds1-10   GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone

In case you would want to change your libc6, do not try to switch that
by hand since too many packages depend on a particular version, JICO.

wbr,
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how to change beep noise

[Daniel Edmund Davison]

Hi, I've just installed debian woody on a HPze1230 laptop. The beep noise
it is making on ambiguous file-completions, new mail, etc is very
loud. The keyboard volume-changing and muting keys are not recognised. Is
there an alteration I can make within debian to change/disable this noise?

thanks, 
dan.

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Re: Installing modem.

[oskar nl]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:
I recieved my USR5610B and replaced the Intel winmodem.  Turned on the
computer and it dialed the ISP in Windows.  So I said hey this is going to
be easy.  Went to U.S. Robitics website and no debian driver only RH,
Mandrake, & SUSE.  Ok I can do rpm.  downloaded rpm driver put it on a CD
and booted debian.  Did ^alt F1 read man rpm & man alien.  No problem
mounted CD issued alien -i  ran ok w/no errors.  Checked
for files 3commdn and found the following:
/usr/share/doc/3commdn
/usr/share/doc/3commdn/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/3commdn/copyright
/usr/doc/3commdn
/usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.postinst
/usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.list
/usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.prerm
/usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.conffiles
/usr/dpkg/info/3commdn/.md5sums
Read the copyright file and there is a statement (Not Installed).  Went back
to X & read the log XFree86 no indication of modem. Tryed to start
connection -No-.  Any Suggestions?
Regards;
Hoyt


From U.S. Robotic Installation guide
pag 4:
Linux 2.3 and Higher Users NOTE: All 2.3 and higher Linux kernels 
contain the U.S. Robotics Linux modem drivers. Installation of the modem 
under this kernel is fully automatic provided your kernel has the Plug 
and Play module enabled (default).
page 6
If you have Linux Reboot the PC and note that another serial port is 
listed along with the device name (/dev/ttyX), indicating the modem is 
present. Log in to the system. Check that the modem is communicating 
properly. If working in a shell environment, start a Minicom terminal 
session from the terminal prompt. If using X Windows, use Minicom 
through a shell window or use the dial-up program (Kppp or equivalent). 
Make sure that your internal modem is physically installed correctly in 
your computer. With power off, press the modem in firmly so that it is 
seated properly in its slot. When the modem is installed correctly, you 
will no longer see any part of the gold edge. If your modem still does 
not work, you may need to remove it and reinstall it in another 
available PCI slot. Shut down and restart your PC.

Downloaded from:
http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=5610b
Take a breath a read carefully and go slow you are maybe repeating same 
mistake again and again.

But if you still having problems and you want to try this rpm, looks 
like alien can't make a good debianizing, you can try installing rpm 
package, but the same package say:

Description: Red Hat Package Manager
 If you want to install Red Hat Packages then please use the alien
 package. Using RPM directly will bypass the Debian packaging system!
Well i hope you can make it without this last, but just another idea to 
make your modem get ready!!.

BTW wich kernel you use?:
uname -a
will tell you.
I hope this help you.
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Re: mailfilter bug? (Never mind)

[csj]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:49:16 +0100,
Nicolas Rueff wrote:
> 
> Ainsi parla Roberto Sanchez le 315ème jour de l'an 2003:
> 
> > csj wrote:

[...]

> > > I have in my my ~/.mailfilterrc a DENY rule for
> > > "^Subject:.*Test" and ALLOW rules for "marssociety" and
> > > "marssocietynewsletter":
> > > 
> > > $ grep -Ei 'test|marssociety' ~/.mailfilterrc
> > > DENY=^Subject:.*Test
> > > ALLOW=^To:.*marssocietynewsletter
> > > ALLOW=^Reply-To:.*marssociety
> > > ALLOW=^Subject:.*marssociety
> > > 
> > > I found out this morning that an email with the word
> > > "Contest" in the Subject was deleted by mailfilter
> > > (according to my log).  The email also had
> > > "[marssocietynewsletter]" in the Subject and I suspect,
> > > given the format of previous communications, also
> > > "marssociety" in the Reply-To.  The email therefore should
> > > have passed two of my ALLOW rules.
> > > 
> > > Shouldn't the ALLOW rule (allow all emails with
> > > "marssociety" in the Subject) take precedence over the DENY
> > > rule (delete all emails containing with the word or word
> > > part "test")?
> > 
> > I don't know much about mailfilter, but it seems as though
> > the rules are being applied in the order encountered.  You
> > may need to move yoru DENY rule to a position after the ALLOW
> > rules.  Just a thought.
>
> No. From mailfilterrc(5):
> 
> This keyword can be used to override spam filters i.e. to
> define `friends'. A message that matches any ALLOW rules will
> not be filtered or deleted. ALLOW takes a Regular Expression as
> argument.
> 
> (beside this, in my own .mailfilterrc, all "Deny" rules are
> above the "Allow" rules).
> 
> Do you have any rules like "REG_CASE", "REG_TYPE" or
> "MAXSIZE_(ALLOW|DENY)" set ? 

No, but I did play around with using extended regexp for a while
(with rule "REG_TYPE=basic" still set).  I can't reproduce the
bug now.  So I suspect I must have sent my corrected
./mailfilterrc but tested mailfilter with my "broken" original
configuration.  (Having several xterms open, I must have failed
to save my corrections to file before running mailfilter.)


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Re: Refreshing the Application Menu

[Todd Pytel]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:31:21 -0800 (PST)
Jigga Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I am running gnome 2.4 on Sarge and i have noticed
> that everytime i
> install a new program on my system it will not show up
> right away in
> my Gnome Application Main menu. I have to logout and
> login in order
> for it to show up for the first time. 

Give it a little time - it will refresh eventually. If you're impatient
and don't want to logout, you can do a "killall gnome-panel".

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USB 2 and APIC Question.

[Thomas H. George]

I am trying to get a Sony USB DVD+R+RW drive working with an Albatron 
KX400-8XV motherboard and a 2.6.0-test9 kernel.  An Epson Stylus C82 USB 
printer is also attached to the system.

With APIC enabled in BIOS and booting up with a 2.4.22 kernel both the 
DVD drive and the printer are recognized as speed 12 devices,  cdrecord 
-scanbus reports the DVD drive on scsibus1 at 1,0,0 and with ln -s 
/dev/sr1 /dev/dvd the DVD drive can haltingly play a movie dvd. 
(scsibus0 0,0,0 is a CD-ROM drive)

With APIC enabled in BIOS and booting up with a 2.6.0-test9 kernel the 
DVD drive is not recognized and a continuing stream of messages of 
failures to assign a device number scroll up the console.

With APIC disabled in BIOS and booting up with the 2.6.0-test9 kernel 
the DVD drive is recognized as a speed 480 device and there is no longer 
a scsibus1.  Clearly the link to /dev/sr1 is no longer appropriate but 
what is the appropiate link?  The only usb devices seem to be usblp0 and 
usbmouse.

I am searching /var/log/syslog for a clue but have not found the correct 
dev as yet.  Does anyone know what it is?

Tom George

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Re: madwifi .deb package

[David Z Maze]

"Jeffrey L. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone know where I can download a .deb package for the madwifi
> drivers?  I don't really have room on this laptop (540MB HDD) to keep
> the kernel sources that it wants around.

I've thought about building a package, but the source is non-free and
so it would never be able to be a part of Debian proper.  You'd also
need a package specific to your kernel; if I built one, it'd only
support the kernel-image-2.4.22-1 in unstable (or possibly have no
prebuilt modules at all; many kernel module packages work that way).
You might try building the driver on another machine that has the
source for the kernel on (presumably) your laptop, or seeing if you
could get away from building the modules against only a kernel-headers
package.

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Re: wireless LAN in place of existing cabled one

[David Z Maze]

"Benedict Verheyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> my current LAN looks like this:
>
> cable - eth0 (public ip) -server
> modemeth1 (192.168.0.1)
>   |
>hub
>   |
>   |
>pc 1
>
> My server runs dhcp, apache, exim, fetchmail, webmail and so on.
> Now the wife is fed up with the cable running through our living room
> up the stairs to my room where the server, the hub and pc1 are.
> Now we (she) wants to go wireless. I asked a local dealer and he
> works with D-Link equipment more specifically the Di-714P+ or
> the Di-614+. This would be the future setup:
>
> cablemodem --- router --wireless-- server -- hub -- pc 1
> |
> -wireless-- clients

It looks like your local dealer is selling you the wrong product.  :-)
You don't want a "wireless router"; in your situation, you want a
bare-bones "wireless access point".  So my home network looks like:

cable --- server --- hub --> pc 1
  +  --> pc 2
  \  --> wireless
   \  --> laptop

I can't really recommend any specific products in this space, but they
definitely do exist.  If you've already bought it, you might see
whether you can turn off ~all of its features (it's probably set up as
a NAT box that does DHCP on the internal side) and deploy it in this
position on your network.

> 1. The server acts as a gateway now where eth0 is an ip from my
> isp and eth1 is a fixed internal ip where a DHCP daemon is listening
> to distribute ip's to the clients (currently pc1 but 1 other pc will
> follow and will be placed downstairs). Now i think i can still use
> the server as gateway with the new setup but i will not be able to
> secure the LAN with the firewall script that runs on it, correct?

In the diagram you have, "clients" gateway would be "router"; "hub"
wouldn't be used at all, except by "pc 1".

> 3. Is  the network traffic encrypted by default?

Probably not.  You can almost certainly enable WEP on the AP and on
the client machines, and with a sufficiently reputable product you
could probably also enable a MAC ACL ("limit which hardware addresses
can talk to the wireless network").

[My impression is that these are both useless steps, though: WEP is
almost trivially cracked, and many network cards let you change their
MAC address in software.  So you still want to make sure that machines
inside the network are secure, and use end-to-end security if you're
transmitting sensitive data, even within the local net.]

> 4. What kernel options do i have to activate to be able to use a
> wireless usb card (DWL-120+) . Usb is already compiled in. I'm
> not even sure these will function under Linux. Any place i can
> find out?

I thought "USB network interface" was actually a somewhat standard
thing, so you might not need special drivers.  In any case, looking on
http://www.linux-usb.org/ does seem to be informative, and support
does seem to exist for that particular card.

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Re: cvs over ssh with non standard port

[Gary Hennigan]

"Micha Feigin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am trying to get cvs to access the repository through a ssh connection
> when the sshd is listening on a non standard port.
> I tried using
> cvs -s CVS_RSH="ssh -p port" -d :ext:cvs:/var/lib/cvs co package
> but cvs insisted on trying port 22.
> Is it possible to do this?

I haven't tried it, but perhaps you can twiddle the config file,
~/.ssh/config. In there try a block like:

Host=cvs
  Port=1028

And see what happens. This is on the client.

Gary


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Refreshing the Application Menu

[Jigga Man]

Hi All,

 I am running gnome 2.4 on Sarge and i have noticed
that everytime i
install a new program on my system it will not show up
right away in
my Gnome Application Main menu. I have to logout and
login in order
for it to show up for the first time. I would assume
that once you
install a program its shortcut is place right away. Do
i need to
configure something else in order for this refresh to
happen.

thanx in advance

jigga


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Night mare to set day light savings time

[Jigga Man]

Hi,

I am pretty much a new user to debian linux and i have
a problem setting the correct time on my system. My
hardware clock is set to GMT and when i installed
debian i chose the time zone correctly. only thing  is
that we follow daylight savings time and now my clock
( which shows up on the panel) is off by an hour. I
trired to look up help and found that i had an option
of using ntpdate which would query some server using
the internet and set the time. The problem is that
this PC is not allowed to go to the internet. and from
what i understand there is no way that debian has the
functionlity to incorporate daylight savings time ??
 
Its seems like a night mare to be for the simple
reason that windows has this capability built into it
and debian being far better than windows lacks such a
basic thing?? are there any apps are written to over
come this ?

desperately looking for an answer

TIA

Jigga

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Re: Spamassassin, keep feeding messages for bayes?

[Mike Fedyk]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:19:01PM +0100, Benedict Verheyen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> my Spamassassin's bayes stuff finally kicked it as i now
> see bayes_00 and similar stuff in the headers.
> Do i need to keep feeding spam and ham to sa-learn?

Yes, especially ham.

And the spam that hasn't been taught enough in the bayes system yet.


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[no subject]

[faisal diab]

I HAVE A MOTHERBOARD VIA AC97 WITH SOUND CARD SIS 
300/305 &INEED IDENTIFICATON FOR THEM

Re: cvs over ssh with non standard port

[Mark Ferlatte]

Micha Feigin said on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:35:41PM +0200:
> I am trying to get cvs to access the repository through a ssh connection
> when the sshd is listening on a non standard port.
> I tried using
> cvs -s CVS_RSH="ssh -p port" -d :ext:cvs:/var/lib/cvs co package
> but cvs insisted on trying port 22.
> Is it possible to do this?

AFAIK, the only way to do this is to make a small shell script that has the
args, like so:

cat cvsssh

#! /bin/sh
exec ssh -p 4567 $@

and set CVS_RSH=cvsssh

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