Re: Problems with apache2 and charsets

[Carles Pagès]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:36:54AM +0100, Gilles Mocellin wrote:
> Le Wednesday 06 February 2008 23:45:34 Carles Pagès, vous avez écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > My apache seems to ignore the charset meta data in the html files, so
> > iso-8859-1 htmls are not properly displayed. If I store them in utf-8,
> > then there is no problem, even if iso-8859-1 is specified in the meta
> > headers.
> >
> > If I specify the default charset in the apache conf file to be
> > iso-8859-1 then the iso pages are shown correctly but not utf-8 ones.
> >
> > So, does anyone know what could be causing this behaviour? I'm using
> > apache2 in debian stable, if that helps.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> 
> UTF8 is a forced default in Debian's Apache2.
> To make apache respect meta tags, comment that line :
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/apache2/conf.d/charset
> # Read the documentation before enabling AddDefaultCharset.
> # In general, it is only a good idea if you know that all your files
> # have this encoding. It will override any encoding given in the files
> # in meta http-equiv or xml encoding tags.
> 
> #AddDefaultCharset UTF-8
> 
Thanks a lot! That solved my problem. I didn't know the default charset
was being forced in that file. I saw the "AddDefaultCharset" directive
commented in apache2.conf and assumed it wasn't being forced anywhere
else. Moreover, this comment stating that the directive overrides any
encoding on the meta does not appear in my conf.d/charset file.

By the way, why is utf-8 forced by default? I've looked it up but found
no explanation.


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Re: vim + LaTeX (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Anthony Campbell]

On 06 Feb 2008, marc wrote:
> Steve Lamb said...
> > s. keeling wrote:
> > > Just curious, but what's wrong with breaking it up by chapters and
> > > figuring out how to merge it all together later?  "lpr chap*" too much
> > > to remember?
> > 
> > Now email that ream of paper.
> 
> Scanner?
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Marc
> 

At least in Britain there are now no medium-priced scanners on the
market that work with Linux. I just hope my Epson Perfection 1650 goes
on working.

Anthony

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mutt's IMAP support (was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Jochen Schulz]

Steve Lamb:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> The main problem that I saw is that on delete operations it does
> something that is insanely slower than TBird.  For example, on TBird I
> can mark 25 messages as deleted, hit delete, and within about a second
> they are in the trash folder.

Deletion in TB is a little bit different from what mutt does. TB copies
the messages to Trash and just marks the messages as deleted. mutt, on
the other hand, marks messages as deleted and when you leave the mailbox
(or explicitly press '$') it purges all messages marked for deletion.
The purging step is done by TB only when you manually select the
'compact' option in the context menu of a mailbox. The only exception to
that is the Inbox. In the account setting you cann tell TB do compact
("expunge" in IMAP slang) every time you exit TB (which is probably a
good idea since many people delete/move mails from their Inbox very
often).

You can see the difference in behaviour when opening a mailbox from
which you have deleted messages using TB without compacting. You'll see
how mutt displays them with the 'D' flag (deleted) and upon leaving the
mailbox mutt will ask you whether you really want to delete them.
However, I have never experienced the lag you describe.

Example (Pentium3, 512MB RAM, mutt running on the same etch server as
Dovecot, header cache enabled):

I open my spam folder (569 messages), press 'D' and enter '~d>7d'.
Instantly, 510 messages are marked for deletion (but this information is
not yet synched to the server). When I press '$', they are completely
deleted from the mailbox. That takes about five seconds.

Another example: tagging 6351 messages from debian-user and 's'aving
them to a new mailbox. That takes about 40 seconds. The tagged messages
in the current mailbox are not deleted yet, they are just flagged 'D'.
Purging them takes another 40 seconds. Copying them back takes mere 10
seconds, but that might have something to do with disk cache. Deleting
the test mailbox (containing the not-yet-expunged 6351 messages) takes
about 30 seconds.

All in all, I think these numbers are quite reasonable. The biggest
bottleneck is most probably disk I/O and of course it depends on the
mail storage format the IMAP server is using (Maildir in my case).

I agree that today these things could theoretically be handled better
using threads running in the background without blocking the user
interface. But the way mutt currently handles these things makes it
quite clear for the user what's happening and makes error handling
probably a whole lot easier. I wouldn't like to get notified by mutt
about the failure of an operation I started a minute ago.

I am now seeing that mutt has a "trash" option which moves mail to a
designated trash folder instead of deleting from the server. I don't use
that, though. (Coincidentally, it appears to be buggy: #448241.)

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Re: maturedebs: sightly stable unstable

[Jochen Schulz]

Paul Dwerryhouse:
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 01:48:14PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Gentlemen, why not let the others get cut on the cutting edge of
>> Debian sid whilst we relax and wait oh, say 72 hours for the packages
>> we want to stabilize? Slightly stable unstable, but not too stable as
>> to be stale as stable.
> 
> Isn't that what testing is for?

Yes. :) It's just that the rules for a package to move from unstable to
testing are quite tough. Which they should be, because every transition
to testing might be the last one for a package before the release.

The proposal is missing the most important part: what should prevent a
package from moving into the "slightly stable unstable"? This is the
really hard part and the current answer is the definition of testing.

> [Not that I often find unstable to actually be unstable].

It is, you are just not using the Debian definition of stability. :)

"Stable" in the Debian sense means that the archive doesn't change in
terms of version numbers, features and even (uncritical) bugs.
Therefore, sid is unstable. That just doesn't mean it crashes every day.

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Re: mutt's IMAP support

[Steve Lamb]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

I am now seeing that mutt has a "trash" option which moves mail to a
designated trash folder instead of deleting from the server. I don't use
that, though. (Coincidentally, it appears to be buggy: #448241.)


And it is this that I was referring to since it is what matches TBird's 
behavior of having a trash folder.  I just did a test with mutt and TBird. 
What mutt does is download every message and then uploads it to the server in 
the new folder.  One message at a time.  So download message one, upload 
message one, download message 2, upload message 2.  TBird marks the messages 
as read and, if I am not mistaken, issues a COPY command to the server and 
lets the server handle copying the messages from the mailbox to the trash.


The test involved mutt taking more time to "trash" 45 message than TBird 
to "trash" over 1600 messages.  Yes, I am aware that the if I open the mailbox 
in mutt those messages are still present and only marked as deleted but at 
this point what matters is that I can go into the trash and see all 1600 
messages in there.  I can do so while mutt is still chugging away at its 45 
messages.


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Release: KNOPPIX5.1.1 for Trusted Compuintg Geeks (v1.0)

[Kuniyasu Suzaki]

Dear,

We released KNOPPIX5.1.1 for Trusted Computing Geeks (v1.0).
   http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/index-en.html
It includes trusted computing software based on TPM(Trusted Platform
Module). Debian packages on KNOPPIX is validated by Remote Attestation.

OpenPlatformTrustServices is included and the validation service of
Remote Attestation is available.  
http://sourceforge.jp/projects/openpts/
The Remote Attestation validates "platform integrity" and "vulnerability 
of packages". Current Vulnerability Data Base is consisted of DSA(Debian 
Security Advisory) and validates Debian packages on KNOPPIX.

# Guide PDF
   
http://sourceforge.jp/projects/openpts/wiki/FrontPage/attach/20080129-KNOPPIX511TCG-OPTS-UsersGuide-v1_0-E.pdf

# List of Confirmed PC
   http://sourceforge.jp/projects/openpts/wiki/PlatformInfo

# Included software
  GRUB-IMA1.1.0.0, kenrel 2.6.19+IMA(Integrity Measurement Architecture), 
  Trousers0.2.9.1, TPM_Manager0.4, OpenPlatformTrustSerices0.1.1

# Download
  ftp://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/iso/knoppix511-TC-Geeks-100.iso
 （MD5:197d70536ab36033fadf3d9cd04d2632)
  Bittorrent file:
  http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/knoppix511-TC-Geeks-100.iso.torrent

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Re: CVS: how to restore a deleted directory

[Stefano Sabatini]

On date Thursday 2008-02-07 10:31:40 +0100, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> if I am in a directory managed by CVS and I do:
> 
> rm FILE
> then cvs up will download the file.
> 
> But if I do instead:
> rm -rf DIR
> cvs up
> 
> won't download again the removed directory.
> 
> Same problem seems to occurr when in a new CVS version new dir are
> added, cvs up doesn't seem to downlad them.
> 
> How can I tell cvs to download again a removed dir?
> 
> What am I missing?

Reply to self: -d

cvs up -d 

does the trick.

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CVS: how to restore a deleted directory

[Stefano Sabatini]

Hi all,

if I am in a directory managed by CVS and I do:

rm FILE
then cvs up will download the file.

But if I do instead:
rm -rf DIR
cvs up

won't download again the removed directory.

Same problem seems to occurr when in a new CVS version new dir are
added, cvs up doesn't seem to downlad them.

How can I tell cvs to download again a removed dir?

What am I missing?

Mnay thanks, regards.
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Re: vim + LaTeX (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Emre Sahin]

marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Steve Lamb said...
>> After you suggested using AbiWord I gave it a whirl.  At first glance it
>> seemed to work nicely but after 2-3 times I noticed that it was really
>> chugging on dealing with my document which was a mere 25 pages of prose
>> so far.  Unless I planned on breaking it up by chapters and figuring out
>> how to merge it all together later I didn't see AbiWord being able to
>> deal with the 300-600 pages I am shooting for.
>
> Ok, by a circuitous route, we've got to why I asked my earlier question.
>
> The reason I asked is that I write books yet haven't found anything to 
> match WinEdt, which is a Windows editor, for handling chapters and LaTeX 
> on Linux. In all other cases, I use vim.
>

You can try AUCTeX on Emacs. AFAIK it comes with Emacs 22 on Lenny. 

My experience with AUCTeX is better than WinEdt, with tools like
RefTeX etc, and also preview for formulas and headings. AUCTeX made me
to convert from LyX.

There is also a KDE LaTeX editor which I can't remember the name... It
looks somewhat like WinEdt, so much that I didn't further try to learn it.

Also on the original thread: why nobody mentioned Gnus as an
alternative to Thunderbird? It can do anything (from what you say)
mutt does, and also can show you attached images, wash HTML etc. ;)
(If you're not using it from shell, though.)

Yes, I'm a of member of Church of Emacs. ;)

http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/

Best,

E.


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Re: maturedebs: sightly stable unstable

[Mike Bird]

On Thu February 7 2008 01:14:40 Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Yes. :) It's just that the rules for a package to move from unstable to
> testing are quite tough. Which they should be, because every transition
> to testing might be the last one for a package before the release.

This is particularly a problem with the linux kernel and new hardware.
The latest linux-image in Testing is 2.6.22-3 which, aside from some
bug fixes, is based on 2.6.22 which was released seven months ago.

I can understand not updating Stable but the lack of migrations to Testing
means that we have to run bleeding edge Sid 2.6.24 kernels on nine-month
old production laptops (Thinkpad T61) which have been supported by the
kernel since 2.6.23 was released four months ago.  (We had been running
Sid 2.6.23 until recently but it was deleted from Sid without ever making
it into testing.)

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 06/02/2008, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use display_filter=bidiv - that is, pipe the message through bidiv
>  before displaying it.
>
>  Editing Hebrew requires some adjustments in vim (or whatever editor you
>  use) to display "reversed".
>

Thanks, Tzafir. Mind sharing those VIM hacks with me? I find myself
using VIM more and more, but not for Hebrew. Mostly for fooling around
in python, bash scripts, and php.

Dotan Cohen

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http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 06/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
>
> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet...
>
>  Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic",
>  pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are
>  small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for
>  extensible vocabulary.

Greek is not in ASCII, and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the
European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small
(Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you
mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to
print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi
(sp?) for extensible vocabulary.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: mutt's IMAP support

[Jochen Schulz]

Steve Lamb:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> I am now seeing that mutt has a "trash" option which moves mail to a
>> designated trash folder instead of deleting from the server. I don't use
>> that, though. (Coincidentally, it appears to be buggy: #448241.)
> 
> And it is this that I was referring to since it is what matches 
> TBird's behavior of having a trash folder.

Ok, now I understand your complaint. If mutt's implementation of an IMAP
copy consists of fetching an old mail and storing it as a new mail in
another folder (instead of using server-side copy), that's quite
seriously broken. But as far as I can see, this only happens when using
the "trash" option (which is broken anyway, you cannot delete from the
trash folder).

But ok, I conclude there actually are flaws. I just don't happen to be
affected by them.

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Re: vim + LaTeX (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Micha]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:11:32 -
marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Steve Lamb said...
> > After you suggested using AbiWord I gave it a whirl.  At first glance it
> > seemed to work nicely but after 2-3 times I noticed that it was really
> > chugging on dealing with my document which was a mere 25 pages of prose
> > so far.  Unless I planned on breaking it up by chapters and figuring out
> > how to merge it all together later I didn't see AbiWord being able to
> > deal with the 300-600 pages I am shooting for.
> 
> Ok, by a circuitous route, we've got to why I asked my earlier question.
> 
> The reason I asked is that I write books yet haven't found anything to 
> match WinEdt, which is a Windows editor, for handling chapters and LaTeX 
> on Linux. In all other cases, I use vim.
> 

Personally I work with either lyx or emacs + auctex, but you may want to have
a look at texmaker which is much more similar to winedt (and it has both linux
and windows versions so if you like it and have to work on both linux and
windows you can use the same software)


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Re: Iceweasel problems - 3 of 3

[Robin]

On 06/02/2008, Dennis G. Wicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, this is the third of the most aggravating problems.
>
> Iceweasel will just "go to sleep". I have clicked on a
> link or pasted a url in the address bar and it is doing
> nothing. It displays "STOPPED" in the status bar and
> will not load any pages, either i'net or local network.
>
> The system monitor and "top" don't show that there is
> anything in particular going on and other apps have a
> good, quick response.
>
> Time cures the problem. Generally after "a while"
> something breaks loose and it sort of catches up and
> things work.
>
> I have the cache disabled. It doesn't seem to make any
> difference one way or the other.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Dennis
>
>
Same thing here occasionally. Seems related to Flash sites and
nspluginwrapper. Killing nspluginwrapper cures the problem for me.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/06/08 15:00, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> When I restart Iceweasel it reopens all the windows and
> tabs as designed with one not-so-small problem. It
> opens *every* window or tab that was ever opened
> before, nopt just the ones that were open when it
> crashed or was shutdown. It doesn't seem to know or
> care that those particular items were closed by either
> clicking the "X"s or any of the other means, not just
> minimized.
> 
> Any ideas on this one?

What version of Iceweasel and branch of Debian are you running?
(Maybe you mentioned it earlier, but I don't remember.)

I ask that because I've never experienced any symptoms like what you
describe.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - YouTube infiltration

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/06/08 16:27, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Mike Bird wrote the following on 02/06/2008 04:05 PM:
>> On Wed February 6 2008 13:42:55 Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>>> Everytime I try to get an internet page, either refresh
>>> or new link, I get the following message, and no page.
>>>
>>> Not Found
>>>
>>> The requested URL /~joyce/album/ was not found
>>> on this server.
>>> Apache Server at www.youtube.com Port 80
>>>
>>> It appears that it is really sending the request to
>>> YouTube. I have no idea why!
>> Check that Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Network / Settings
>> specifies a direct connection to the internet.
>>
>> --Mike Bird
>>
>>
> 
> Can't do that. I don't have a direct connection, I have
> a proxy. It has worked flawlessly for oh ... 10 years,
> and still does.
> 
> Other systems, Windows 2k, on the network don't have
> that problem, and neither do Opera or Konq on this machine.

The Flashblock plugin might help you.

Also, is this amd64?

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Re: Iceweasel problems - 3 of 3

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/06/08 15:06, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Well, this is the third of the most aggravating problems.
> 
> Iceweasel will just "go to sleep". I have clicked on a
> link or pasted a url in the address bar and it is doing
> nothing. It displays "STOPPED" in the status bar and
> will not load any pages, either i'net or local network.
> 
> The system monitor and "top" don't show that there is
> anything in particular going on and other apps have a
> good, quick response.
> 
> Time cures the problem. Generally after "a while"
> something breaks loose and it sort of catches up and
> things work.
> 
> I have the cache disabled. It doesn't seem to make any
> difference one way or the other.
> 
> Thanks for any help.

Seems to me that this is a network or DNS issue, not an Iceweasel
problem.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - where to report them?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/06/08 21:08, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:59:28PM -0500, dick thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> was heard to say:
>> I am too.  What happens is that Iceweasel starts off fine and then  
>> randomly drops out completely.  You can bring it right back up but it  
>> just seems to randomly hiccup.  I am not doing anything special at the  
>> time at all, just surfing.  I get no message that it is timing out or  
>> anything else.  It is maddening.  It does not happen with Firefox on any  
>> of my other O/S (Ubuntu, Sabayon, BlueWhite64, Wolvix, Slackware), only  
>> with Iceweasel and Debian.  I am running the Sidux version right now and  
>> am up to date on the updates.
> 
>   Do you have the Flash plugin installed?  That seems to be implicated
> in something like 99.995% of the Firefox crashes I personally
> experience.

I've got the Mariallat Flash plugin, as well as extensions Adblck
Plus, Download Statusbar, Flashblock Forcastfox & Leet Key all
running on Iceweasel 2.0.0.11 in Sid, and it's *perfectly* stable
even with many dozen windows open.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

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On 02/07/08 04:44, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 06/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
>>
>> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet...
>>
>>  Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic",
>>  pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are
>>  small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for
>>  extensible vocabulary.
> 
> Greek is not in ASCII,

Never said it was.

> and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the

Russian derives from Greek.  Note that I specified Greco-Latin.

> European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small
> (Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you
> mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to
> print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi
> (sp?) for extensible vocabulary.

With the semitic languages, the problem I see is that one letter can
"flow" under another letter, and dots here and there change the
meaning of the letter.

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Re: maturedebs: sightly stable unstable

[Jochen Schulz]

Mike Bird:
> 
> I can understand not updating Stable but the lack of migrations to Testing
> means that we have to run bleeding edge Sid 2.6.24 kernels on nine-month
> old production laptops (Thinkpad T61) which have been supported by the
> kernel since 2.6.23 was released four months ago.  (We had been running
> Sid 2.6.23 until recently but it was deleted from Sid without ever making
> it into testing.)

I agree that this is not an optimal situation, especially in business
environments. But on the other hand, building and deploying a custom
kernel is really easy when you are using Debian's tools. Things only get
ugly when newer kernels require changes in userspace, like when udev was
made more or less mandatory.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>  > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
>  >>
>  >> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet...
>  >>
>  >>  Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic",
>  >>  pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are
>  >>  small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for
>  >>  extensible vocabulary.
>  >
>  > Greek is not in ASCII,
>
> Never said it was.
>
>  > and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the
>
>
> Russian derives from Greek.

Russian is Cyrillic, which is in fact of Greek and Hebrew origin. Not
surprising since it was invented to spread Christianity, and those are
the languages of the Original and New Testaments.

>  Note that I specified Greco-Latin.

Greco refers to Greek, no? Or is there some Greek speaking culture
that uses Latin letters? I've never heard of them.

>  > European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small
>  > (Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you
>  > mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to
>  > print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi
>  > (sp?) for extensible vocabulary.
>
> With the semitic languages, the problem I see is that one letter can
>  "flow" under another letter, and dots here and there change the
>  meaning of the letter.
>

In Arabic, most letters combinations flow into one another as does
cursive script in Russian and English. There are still the same amount
of letters, in fact, when typing Arabic one does not pay attention to
the way the letters flow into one another. The OS does that part
automatically assuming that a supportive font is installed. Hebrew, on
the other hand, has final letters that are used only on the end of
words, like capital letters in English at the beginning of sentences.
And like English capitals, the user must specify that [s]he wants a
final letter with the appropriate key. Being how there are only five
of those (in addition to 22 regular Hebrew letters) the alphabet the
becomes 27 letters: only one more than English.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Dbus, Hald Groups?

[David Baron]

Dbus is running in the 111 "crontab" group!
Hal is running in the 127 "boinc" group!

Are these number reserved for these?

To access these, do I need to be a "member" of these groups? This could be why 
kde4 seems to need root privileges to start a session!


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Re: Dbus, Hald Groups?

[Jochen Schulz]

David Baron:
> Dbus is running in the 111 "crontab" group!
> Hal is running in the 127 "boinc" group!
> 
> Are these number reserved for these?

Debian uses the UID range from (I think) 500-999 for system users (users
which don't belong to a person, but are used by daemons provided by
specific packages). These are assigned dynamically when you install a
package which needs one.

However, on my system dbus is running as the user messagebus. Hal isn't
installed on the machine I currently have access to, but boinc doesn't
look right either. Are you sure you aren't confusing user and group ids?

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Dotan Cohen]

On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe "Greco-Latin" was the wrong way to write what I meant.  A
>  longer, but hopefully clearer, method would be "alphabets of Greek
>  and Latin descent".

Not to continue this perpetually, but I think that you mean Latin
decent. Although, technically speaking, Latin is in fact of Greek
decent. However no Greek letters are in ASCII (the original point of
the subthread). Even Greek glyphs that look like Latin glyphs are
different codepoints.

>  > In Arabic, most letters combinations flow into one another as does
>  > cursive script in Russian and English.
>
> But Western alphabets also have "print" script.  Do semitic
>  languages have "print" script?

In the sense that a print script has no connected letters? Then Hebrew
does (it's the only way to write Hebrew), but Arabic does not. As each
letter in Arabic does have a "by itself' form I suppose that one could
write all their letters that way (after all, that is how it is typed),
however I do not know if that is considered correct or not. Certainly
there are Arabic speakers here who could enlighten us?

>  > There are still the same amount
>  > of letters, in fact, when typing Arabic one does not pay attention to
>  > the way the letters flow into one another.  The OS does that part
>  > automatically assuming that a supportive font is installed.
>
> Interesting.  But it seems to make console apps difficult.

Could be. I'd like to hear from Arabic users how console scripts are
handled? On my machine Hebrew is reversed in the console. If someone
could enlighten me as to how to install new locales (I've googled and
cannot figure it out) then I'll try it and report back.

>  What about the "dots".  Is that just a figment of misunderstanding?

The dots in Hebrew are optional. They indicate pronunciation, and are
not used in everyday reading and writing. In fact, the only time they
are seen is in religious texts and texts intended for those learning
Hebrew. Sometimes, when writing a foreign word that must be pronounced
correctly, they are used, but not often.

In Arabic, the dots do change letters, so they are not optional
strictly speaking. The dots are always present on signs and in print.
However, in writing, I think that they are often eliminated. Although
I don't really have much experience with handwritten Arabic, so I'm
very possibly wrong in that regard.

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Brian McKee]

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I have libflash-mozplugin
   installed but not flashplugin-nonfree.  As far as I can tell,  
they're both
   Flash 9.  I figure the sites that don't work are Flash 10, which  
isn't

   available for Linux at all.



As far as I know there is no such thing as Flash 10

9.0115 is the current version for Windows, Mac and Linux,  and the 9  
series has seen quite a bit of plumbing changes in the Linux series  
as they've brought it up to speed.   In addition the earlier versions  
of flash (even 9.048) have fairly serious security issues as I  
understand it.   I wouldn't be running with old versions,  and I  
think your crashes might very well be related - they've improved as  
they've come along!Caveat - I think 9.0115 had/has some issues  
with Konqueror on Ubuntu that may apply to debian as well.


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Re: vim + LaTeX (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 12:11:14PM +0200, Emre Sahin wrote:
> marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Steve Lamb said...
> >> After you suggested using AbiWord I gave it a whirl.  At first glance 
> >> it
> >> seemed to work nicely but after 2-3 times I noticed that it was really
> >> chugging on dealing with my document which was a mere 25 pages of prose
> >> so far.  Unless I planned on breaking it up by chapters and figuring out
> >> how to merge it all together later I didn't see AbiWord being able to
> >> deal with the 300-600 pages I am shooting for.
> >
> > Ok, by a circuitous route, we've got to why I asked my earlier question.
> >
> > The reason I asked is that I write books yet haven't found anything to 
> > match WinEdt, which is a Windows editor, for handling chapters and LaTeX 
> > on Linux. In all other cases, I use vim.
> >
> 
> You can try AUCTeX on Emacs. AFAIK it comes with Emacs 22 on Lenny. 
> 
> My experience with AUCTeX is better than WinEdt, with tools like
> RefTeX etc, and also preview for formulas and headings. AUCTeX made me
> to convert from LyX.
> 
> There is also a KDE LaTeX editor which I can't remember the name... It
> looks somewhat like WinEdt, so much that I didn't further try to learn it.

kile?

> 
> Also on the original thread: why nobody mentioned Gnus as an
> alternative to Thunderbird? It can do anything (from what you say)
> mutt does, and also can show you attached images, wash HTML etc. ;)
> (If you're not using it from shell, though.)

Emacs's bidirectional text rendering is still non-existing.

I recall that there was a patch for bidi support in Emacs. But I have no
idea what ever came up with it.

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Re: Dbus, Hald Groups?

[Kevin Buhr]

David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Dbus is running in the 111 "crontab" group!
> Hal is running in the 127 "boinc" Are!

Note that "ps", by default, displays process *users*, not groups.  For
"dbus" and "hal", the correct users are "messagebus" and "haldaemon".
Since these names are unusually long, "ps" will display them as
numbers instead of names, but you need to look them up in
"/etc/passwd", not "/etc/group", since the user ids and corresponding
group ids won't necessarily match.

These numbers aren't fixed---they will differ from system to system,
depending on the exact order packages were installed.  For example, on
one of my machines, the user ids are 102 and 107; on another, they are
104 and 108.

If you double-check and "dbus" and "hal" *really* are running as the
wrong users, then---assuming a reboot doesn't fix the problem---it
might be the case that you have multiple users in "passwd" with the
same userid.  This shouldn't happen, but you can probably fix the
damage by changing the "messagebus" and "haldaemon" numbers to
something that isn't used and rebooting (but make a backup of "passwd"
first in case things go horribly wrong).  In general, renumbering
userids like this won't work very well, because file ownership is
stored by number, not name, and renumbering will screw that up.  I
don't believe that "messagebus" and "haldaemon" own any files, though,
so this probably won't be a problem.

> To access these, do I need to be a "member" of these groups? This
> could be why kde4 seems to need root privileges to start a session!

You do not need to be a member of the "messagebus" or "haldaemon"
groups to start a KDE session, so the problem must be something else.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Steve Kleene]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:11:32 -0500, Brian McKee wrote:

> As far as I know there is no such thing as Flash 10

Thanks; I stand corrected.  I remembered that there was a version that didn't
reach Linux for a long time, but it was v9.

At the moment I have libflash-mozplugin 0.4.13-8, and I don't see anywhere
what versions of Flash it works with.  Judging by its own version number,
flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115.0.1 is probably up to date.  I might be better
off with that.  I wonder if it conflicts with libflash-mozplugin.  The
package description doesn't mention a conflict.


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texlive vs. tetex

[Rick Dooling]

Hi, all:

I've searched the group for messages on these.

I have one machine running Etch with tetex.

Another newer machine where I haven't installed tetex or texlive.

Anybody with recent experience moving from tetex to texlive on Etch?

Or anybody just going with texlive having any unexpected problems.

Thanks,

RD


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xen 3.2 - usage with DRBD for Windows/HVM DomU's..

[Bruno Voigt]

Hi,
I'm running
debian/unstable with drbd from experimental
on a 2 node xen/drbd cluster

ii  linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64
ii  xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64   3.2.0-2
ii  xen-utils-3.2-1  3.2.0-2
ii  xen-utils-common 3.1.0-1
ii  drbd8-source 2:8.2.4-1
ii  drbd8-utils  2:8.2.4-1

I want to start windows from a DRBD - Device,
similar to how I did it succesfully for linux guests.

But the disk definition doesn't work:

disk = [ 'drbd:win-disk,ioemu:hda,w']

The DomU starts but the BIOS says it finds no disk.

The following cfg instead works,
but I have to manually call "drbdadm primary win-disk"
and I had to patch /usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/lib/python/xen/xend/image.py
to not check that /dev/drbd15 is a regular file...

disk = [ 'file:/dev/drbd15,ioemu:hda,w']

Perhaps the xen-script of the drbd8-utils
has to passthru the ioemu param or something like that??
Thanks in advance for any hints!!

/etc/xen/win.cfg:
==
kernel = '/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/boot/hvmloader'
builder= 'hvm'
memory = 1024
shadow_memory = 8
name = "win"
vcpus=2
vif = [ 'type=ioemu, mac=00:16:3e:00:00:11, bridge=brvlan94,
model=ne2k_pci' ]
disk = [ 'file:/dev/drbd15,ioemu:hda,w']
#disk = [ 'drbd:win-disk,ioemu:hda,w']
device_model ='/usr/lib/xen-3.2-1/bin/qemu-dm'
boot="c"
sdl=0
vnc=1
vnclisten="0.0.0.0"
vncconsole=1
==

WR,
Bruno
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Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Jochen Schulz]

Steve Kleene:
>
> 4. Keyboard shortcuts die if I pass the cursor over certain ads (especially
>at nytimes.com); I think they're javascript.  To get the shortcuts back, I
>can move the cursor out of the iceweasel window and the bring it back,
>taking care not to pass over the offending ad.  I use the keyboard to
>scroll (down arrow) and move back a page (ALT-leftarrow).

This is caused by flash content and other things that are handled by a
plugin and it also affects scrolling using the mouse wheel. Very
annoying, yes.

> By the way, the profile folder name ("aqhypo0m.default") appears to be some
> sort of unique identifier.  Is it broadcast, and can it be used to identify
> my machine?  Why is such a goofy directory name used at all?

It is not broadcasted and I think it is some sort of quirky security
measure. The intention is to make the profile folder's name hard or
impossible to guess.

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Help! OpenOffice upgrade went wrong!

[ai]

Hi all,

I did a dist-upgrade yesterday and since then, all the menus in Open Office 
have disappeared ; all menu text characters were replaced by empty square 
boxes. Same happens in all Open Office apps: Write, Calc, etc.

I run the testing distribution on a HP e-PC 42 (PIV 1.6 Mhz).

Has anybody else run into that? Is there a workaround? Should I file a bug 
report?

Thanks. PS: please copy me in your replies, I am not a list subscriber.

Anastasios


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Re: Question Regarding Directory Prompts

[Thomas H. George]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 09:40:19PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Thomas H. George wrote:
>> The prompt always shows the entire chain to the current directory.  My  
>> memory says this was not always so.  There is nothing in .bashrc  
>> regarding this.  Is it set somewhere else?
>
> probably in /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile
>
> Also, see the bash prompt howto.
>
Right, thanks.  PS1 is set in /etc/bash.bashrc.

Tom
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How can I find if a DHCP server is available

[Tony Heal]

I need to determine if a DHCP server is available on a remote system.
Without changing my static network config or adding any non standard
packages not already installed by the sarge / etch ISO.

 

Any ideas?

 

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800-624-5999 x9317

 

Re: texlive vs. tetex

[Jochen Schulz]

Rick Dooling:
> 
> Anybody with recent experience moving from tetex to texlive on Etch?

I don't do much Latex anymore, but the migration should be painless. You
just may have to hunt down some packages you are using with 'apt-cache
search'es.

Texlive appears to be the future, so I wouldn't install tetex when I had
a fresh box to start with.

> Or anybody just going with texlive having any unexpected problems.

No. But as I said, I don't use it very often.

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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Davide Mancusi]

You don't need setxkbmap to switch between different keyboard
layouts. I also use KDE, but I prefer to use kkbswitch and set up X as
follows:


Thanks Davide, are you on Debian sid too?


	Yes. I switched to kkbswitch because I had problems with KDE's 
management of multiple layouts, although setxkbmap does not crash here 
(I am using as a work-around for a bug in xkb-data).


Davide

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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Seb]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:17:13 +0100,
Davide Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

>   You don't need setxkbmap to switch between different keyboard
> layouts. I also use KDE, but I prefer to use kkbswitch and set up X as
> follows:

[...]

Thanks Davide, are you on Debian sid too?


Cheers,

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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Davide Mancusi]

Seb ha scritto:

Hi,

Has anybody found a work-around bug #462243
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462243).  It was
merged with an upstream bug in Xorg
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14162).  It happens in my
Debian sid system, with a M$ Natural Ergonomic (4000 v1.0) keyboard,
whenever setxkbmap is called.  I do this through kde's keyboard layout
in control center, and X simply crashes.  It also happens with a mere
call to setxkbmap on the command line without args.

I have this relevant entry in xorg.conf:

,-[ xorg.conf (lines: 50 - 57) ]
| Section "InputDevice"
| 
| # generated from default

| Identifier "Keyboard0"
| Driver "kbd"
| Option "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
| EndSection
`-

This has completely crippled the ability to change keyboard layout
between languages, so any ideas are welcome.  Thanks.


	You don't need setxkbmap to switch between different keyboard layouts. 
I also use KDE, but I prefer to use kkbswitch and set up X as follows:


Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
 Driver "kbd"
 Option "CoreKeyboard"
 Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
 Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
 Option "XkbLayout""it,se"
 Option "XkbOptions"   "grp:shifts_toggle,compose:menu,lv3:rwin_switch"
EndSection

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Re: SOLVED-How to configure modem

[Andrius]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:11:46PM +, Andrius wrote:
 
Just to tune a PC. The old PC was kicked off in the street about week 
ago. It was big temptation not to leave it. A lot of stuff find a new 
place - floppy, second hard; cdrw. And modem.
Actually, what is possible to do with motherboard and Duron 750 Mgz 
inside and Pc case? Back to bin?


OK.  Learning experience.

That PC should be able do almost anything.  It may not be the best for
watching movies but OTOH, with the right video card you could probably
watch DVDs.

You could provide a public service: find garbage boxes that really work
and see if there's a local charity that would like them.  Even something
like a thrift store.  You could have them all set up ready to go and
include a little booklet with the root password and what the user would
have to do to run pppconfig to connect to an ISP.

Doug.




Thanks Doug. Charity is not best way. And there is not PPP services 
perhaps. Will try to use a power supply as DC power supply for radio 
tranceiver. And motherboard lets stay in shelf until better times.


Andrius


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Re: SOLVED-How to configure modem

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:11:46PM +, Andrius wrote:
 
> Just to tune a PC. The old PC was kicked off in the street about week 
> ago. It was big temptation not to leave it. A lot of stuff find a new 
> place - floppy, second hard; cdrw. And modem.
> Actually, what is possible to do with motherboard and Duron 750 Mgz 
> inside and Pc case? Back to bin?

OK.  Learning experience.

That PC should be able do almost anything.  It may not be the best for
watching movies but OTOH, with the right video card you could probably
watch DVDs.

You could provide a public service: find garbage boxes that really work
and see if there's a local charity that would like them.  Even something
like a thrift store.  You could have them all set up ready to go and
include a little booklet with the root password and what the user would
have to do to run pppconfig to connect to an ISP.

Doug.


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Re: Question Regarding Directory Prompts

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:01:20AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> The prompt always shows the entire chain to the current directory.  My 
> memory says this was not always so.  There is nothing in .bashrc 
> regarding this.  Is it set somewhere else?

The default value of PS1 (the prompts in bourne shells) is something in
the lines of:

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In the manual page of bash, under 'PROMPTING' you'll find their
meanings. Specifically, \w means:

  the  current  working  directory, with $HOME abbreviated
  with a tilde

So you might have seen once the path truncated as you were at your home
directory.

> 
> The reason I ask is that I am trying to work with a One Laptop per Child 
> (olpc) laptop and the prompt never shows even the current directory.  
> The olpc is fedora based but I'm trying to get it to behave more like 
> Debian.  My assumption is that aside from a few idiosyncracies fedora is 
> linux.

Or a different value to PS1 . Try the following in your terminal:

  echo $PS1
  PS1_saved="$PS1"
  PS1="\d $PS1"
  echo "just to see the new prompt"
  PS1="$PS1_saved"

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Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Steve Kleene]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:00:41 -0600, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:

> When I restart Iceweasel it reopens all the windows and tabs as designed
> with one not-so-small problem. It opens *every* window or tab that was ever
> opened before, nopt just the ones that were open when it crashed or was
> shutdown.

If it's any consolation, I had this problem once too.  I don't anymore.

It happened after I switched from Red Hat (with mozilla) to Debian (with
firefox aka iceweasel).  After the system upgrade, I moved my whole personal
directory back.  So when I first started iceweasel, it found my browser
config files (bookmarks.html, prefs.js, etc.) and used them.  Very nice so
far.

Whenever it crashed though, I could bring it up with "Restore Session".  At
that point it restored all kinds of things I never wanted to see again, like
the trailer for "Madagascar".  It turned out that I had two complete config
directories, namely

  ~/.mozilla/steve/d7e4twb8.slt
  ~/.mozilla/firefox/aqhypo0m.default

The first was the one I had copied from old mozilla; the second was put in by
iceweasel.  The unwanted history was in history.dat in the old directory.  To
my surprise, iceweasel checked the old history every time it started (as
determined with "ls -lu").  But if I nulled out the history from the
iceweasel window, it failed to null out the old history.  I deleted the
entire old config directory, and that solved the problem.

So do something like this:

  find ~/.mozilla -name history.dat

to see if you have two of them.

I do, like you, still have several problems with Iceweasel:

1. It does crash fairly often.
2. It does some but not nearly all flash sites.  I have libflash-mozplugin
   installed but not flashplugin-nonfree.  As far as I can tell, they're both
   Flash 9.  I figure the sites that don't work are Flash 10, which isn't
   available for Linux at all.
3. I seems impossible to arrange for an iceweasel window to start up at a
   specified position on my desktop (fvwm).  I posted a question about this
   here once.
4. Keyboard shortcuts die if I pass the cursor over certain ads (especially
   at nytimes.com); I think they're javascript.  To get the shortcuts back, I
   can move the cursor out of the iceweasel window and the bring it back,
   taking care not to pass over the offending ad.  I use the keyboard to
   scroll (down arrow) and move back a page (ALT-leftarrow).
5. The HOME key still gets me to the top of a page, but it doesn't go to the
   top left.  It used to.

By the way, the profile folder name ("aqhypo0m.default") appears to be some
sort of unique identifier.  Is it broadcast, and can it be used to identify
my machine?  Why is such a goofy directory name used at all?


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 06:47:39AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 02/07/08 04:44, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > On 06/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>  > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
> >>
> >> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet...
> >>
> >>  Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic",
> >>  pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are
> >>  small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for
> >>  extensible vocabulary.
> > 
> > Greek is not in ASCII,
> 
> Never said it was.
> 
> > and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the
> 
> Russian derives from Greek.  Note that I specified Greco-Latin.

Russian is written in a script that was originally derived from Greek.
Latin was originally derevied from Greek. But things have changed over
time. For instance, even modern Greek is not the same as ancient Greek.

The Greek letters were derived from ancient Israely / Phenician
letters. Though the "modern" (anything in the last 2000 or so) uses a
somewhat diffrent script (but still from the same origin).

Arabic is also derived from there.


The fact that one script is based on another does not mean you can write
them using the same characters. You may be familiar with the Hebrew
Aleph (as in Aleph 0, א). The ancient Hebrew form of it was something a
bit more similar to the Greek Alpha, though rotated. And then you have
the Latin 'A'. Four different letters. Written differently. From the
same origin.

And the Arabic Alif is even completely different.

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Re: SOLVED-How to configure modem

[Andrius]

Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 04:43:43PM +, Andrius wrote:

Minicom is ready to cal and send files. Unfortunatelly there is no phone
line about me so there is no what to do more.


If you don't have a phone line, then why were you bothering to configure
a modem?

%s/bothering/bothering us

Doug.




Just to tune a PC. The old PC was kicked off in the street about week 
ago. It was big temptation not to leave it. A lot of stuff find a new 
place - floppy, second hard; cdrw. And modem.
Actually, what is possible to do with motherboard and Duron 750 Mgz 
inside and Pc case? Back to bin?


Andrius


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Re: SOLVED-How to configure modem

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 04:43:43PM +, Andrius wrote:
> Minicom is ready to cal and send files. Unfortunatelly there is no phone
> line about me so there is no what to do more.

If you don't have a phone line, then why were you bothering to configure
a modem?

%s/bothering/bothering us

Doug.


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Help me out to install Debian

[Anupam Jamatia]

Dear Sir , i have an PC with P-4 , 256MB RAM, with 1.60 GHz , now i want to
install Debian and XP with dual mode , i have already installed XP in my
system with 3 partitins C,D, and E with 20,9, and 9 GB respectively...now
how to install Debian OS in the system , its confused to isntall Debian
after XP ...if you kindly help me out with step by step method to install
(including pertition ) it will be helpfull to me.Thanking you .

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Question Regarding Directory Prompts

[Thomas H. George]

The prompt always shows the entire chain to the current directory.  My 
memory says this was not always so.  There is nothing in .bashrc 
regarding this.  Is it set somewhere else?


The reason I ask is that I am trying to work with a One Laptop per Child 
(olpc) laptop and the prompt never shows even the current directory.  
The olpc is fedora based but I'm trying to get it to behave more like 
Debian.  My assumption is that aside from a few idiosyncracies fedora is 
linux.


Tom


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Java Grey Windows/Blank Windows/Sun are stupid

[Александър Л . Димитров]

Hi list,

let me first say that Sun are incredibly stupid. I mean really. Astoundingly
stupid. Stultifingly stupid.

This bug

http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6429775

has been closed. Which is wrong, this bug should really be open, because it
ain't fixed. I'm using a non-reparenting WM (XMonad) and since they've been so
incredibly unprofessional to hard-code a list of supported WMs into their code
- or something like it - and XMonad is (like any other tiling WM) not part of
that list, it's no good. Anyways, they're relying on all WMs to be reparenting,
which is brain dead. If a WM is not showing up as supported, windows are painted
grey. No widgets, no buttons, no way to interact.

This has been a known problem for a while. A long while. There exist several
workarounds. One of them is to change the toolkit like this:

AWT_TOOLKIT=MToolkit java SomeApp.class

This is wrong, doesn't always work and has bad side effects. It's not working in
my case anyways.

There was another workaround which I remember having employed several times
successfully already - but I don't remember the details and after a frustrating
Google search it seems the instructions are nowhere to be found.

It involved sed -i'ing some obscure java-x-lib and removing xinerama extensions
and replacing them with something else, like a dummy parameter. But all this
relys on accurate information about how to do it and I don't know it. Maybe
those are really two unrelated things (one having to do with WM-names, the other
with Xinerama extensions being compiled into X libs..) but I think they were at
least connected. I have xinerama. I need it.

Does any one of you happen to remember how to resolve this frustration of mine?
I really need that java app (and I need to use commercial sun-jre for that) and
this app really relys on its GUI and I'm really short on time now. I would be
really thankful if anyone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks, and sorry for bothering you with my questions about commercial packages
Aleks

PS: I'm using jre 1.6.0_04


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Re: Iceweasel problems - YouTube infiltration

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/07/08 08:14, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Mihira Fernando wrote the following on 02/07/2008 04:13 AM:
>> Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>>> Greetings;
>>>
>>> Well, just ran into a another frequent problem.
>>>
>>> I just re-booted and restarted Iceweasel. (22 windows,
>>> I don't know how many tabs.) I had a bad feeling as
>>> soon as I saw that all the favicons were YouTube.
>> There you go. As others reported before, Flash doesn't play nicely on
>> Iceweasel. 22 youtube windows will certainly crash Iceweasel.
>> This is a behavior I have noticed on Iceweasel as well. Load flash
>> intensive pages or lots of pages that has flash components in Iceweasel
>> and the weasel looses its cool and crashes. Sometimes it just freezes
>> other times it terminates on its own.
>> However upon restarting Iceweasel it asks to restore the crashed session
>> or start a new session. If you don't get that prompt, then your
>> configuration has deviated from the default.
>>
>>> Everytime I try to get an internet page, either refresh
>>> or new link, I get the following message, and no page.
>>>
>>> Not Found
>>>
>>> The requested URL /~joyce/album/ was not found
>>> on this server.
>>> Apache Server at www.youtube.com Port 80
>>>
>>> It appears that it is really sending the request to
>>> YouTube. I have no idea why!
>> Youtube is using flash. That's the reason.
>>
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>
>>> Dennis
>> Mihira.
>>
>>
> Mihira,
> 
> Slight misunderstanding. None of these pages had a
> youtube URL or contained any flash "stuff" in it.
> 
> Iceweasel just all of a sudden starts sending all
> requests to Youtube. It also occasionally sends them to
> Redhat, but not as often.
> 
> The little Youtube favicon will show up in the tabs
> when this is happening, doesn't make any difference
> what the actual page is!
> 
> I have installed Flash Block and Block Site so I will
> see what effect they have.

Adblock Plus should also be a "mandatory" add-on.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - 3 of 3

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/07/08 08:00, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote the following on 02/07/2008 06:49 AM:
>> On 02/06/08 15:06, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>>> Well, this is the third of the most aggravating problems.
>>> Iceweasel will just "go to sleep". I have clicked on a
>>> link or pasted a url in the address bar and it is doing
>>> nothing. It displays "STOPPED" in the status bar and
>>> will not load any pages, either i'net or local network.
>>> The system monitor and "top" don't show that there is
>>> anything in particular going on and other apps have a
>>> good, quick response.
>>> Time cures the problem. Generally after "a while"
>>> something breaks loose and it sort of catches up and
>>> things work.
>>> I have the cache disabled. It doesn't seem to make any
>>> difference one way or the other.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>> Seems to me that this is a network or DNS issue, not an Iceweasel
>> problem.
>>
> Ron,
> 
> You'd certainly think so, wouldn't you?
> 
> But it is only Iceweasel,on this machine, that has
> these problems. Not Opera or Konq on this system or any
> browser on any other system on my localnet.
> 
> Of course everything else on the my net that does any
> browsing is Win 2k. The other two Debian systems are a
> web server and and a backup/archive system.
> 
> Any other browsers I can try on Debian?

link2, lynx, w3c, chimera2, epiphany, galeon, iceape, midori,
netsurf & konqueror.

And I'm sure I missed some.

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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/07/08 07:29, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >>  > However, I vehemently disagree that email should be ascii.  This is
>>  >>
>>  >> But that's how the US maintains it's hegemony over the Internet...
>>  >>
>>  >>  Well, that and the fact that (compared to "calligraphic",
>>  >>  pictographic & hieroglyphic languages) Greco-Latin alphabets are
>>  >>  small, simple, regularized, easy to print, and a perfect basis for
>>  >>  extensible vocabulary.
>>  >
>>  > Greek is not in ASCII,
>>
>> Never said it was.
>>
>>  > and Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and all the
>>
>>
>> Russian derives from Greek.
> 
> Russian is Cyrillic,

Knew that...

>  which is in fact of Greek and Hebrew origin. Not

Didn't know that...

> surprising since it was invented to spread Christianity, and those are
> the languages of the Original and New Testaments.
> 
>>  Note that I specified Greco-Latin.
> 
> Greco refers to Greek, no? Or is there some Greek speaking culture
> that uses Latin letters? I've never heard of them.

Maybe "Greco-Latin" was the wrong way to write what I meant.  A
longer, but hopefully clearer, method would be "alphabets of Greek
and Latin descent".

>>  > European languages that have modified Latin scripts are just as small
>>  > (Hebrew is smaller), simple (Arabic is simpler), regularized (if you
>>  > mean that there is only a small, repeating set of symbols), easy to
>>  > print (unless you have a ball-hammer printer), and are perfect basi
>>  > (sp?) for extensible vocabulary.
>>
>> With the semitic languages, the problem I see is that one letter can
>>  "flow" under another letter, and dots here and there change the
>>  meaning of the letter.
>>
> 
> In Arabic, most letters combinations flow into one another as does
> cursive script in Russian and English.

But Western alphabets also have "print" script.  Do semitic
languages have "print" script?

> There are still the same amount
> of letters, in fact, when typing Arabic one does not pay attention to
> the way the letters flow into one another.  The OS does that part
> automatically assuming that a supportive font is installed.

Interesting.  But it seems to make console apps difficult.

> Hebrew, on
> the other hand, has final letters that are used only on the end of
> words, like capital letters in English at the beginning of sentences.
> And like English capitals, the user must specify that [s]he wants a
> final letter with the appropriate key. Being how there are only five
> of those (in addition to 22 regular Hebrew letters) the alphabet the
> becomes 27 letters: only one more than English.

Also interesting.

What about the "dots".  Is that just a figment of misunderstanding?

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svn-fast-backup -- how to use remote destination?

[michael]

I tried to see if `svn-fast-backup` would perform backup to a remote
computer (as per rsync syntax) but it seems to fail (see below)...
anybody got any insights? Is this something worth asking for? 
Thanks, Michael




[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share/doc/subversion$ sudo \
svn-fast-backup /usr/local/SUBVERSION/nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/delMe

Beginning hot backup of 'nick' (youngest revision is 0)...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/svn-fast-backup", line 282, in ?
do_rsync_backup()
  File "/usr/bin/svn-fast-backup", line 231, in do_rsync_backup
backup_subdir = os.path.join(options.backup_dir,
find_next_backup_name(youngest))
  File "/usr/bin/svn-fast-backup", line 207, in find_next_backup_name
directory_list = os.listdir(options.backup_dir)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
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Re: Iceweasel problems - 3 of 3

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 02/07/2008 06:49 AM:
> On 02/06/08 15:06, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>> Well, this is the third of the most aggravating problems.
> 
>> Iceweasel will just "go to sleep". I have clicked on a
>> link or pasted a url in the address bar and it is doing
>> nothing. It displays "STOPPED" in the status bar and
>> will not load any pages, either i'net or local network.
> 
>> The system monitor and "top" don't show that there is
>> anything in particular going on and other apps have a
>> good, quick response.
> 
>> Time cures the problem. Generally after "a while"
>> something breaks loose and it sort of catches up and
>> things work.
> 
>> I have the cache disabled. It doesn't seem to make any
>> difference one way or the other.
> 
>> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Seems to me that this is a network or DNS issue, not an Iceweasel
> problem.
> 
Ron,

You'd certainly think so, wouldn't you?

But it is only Iceweasel,on this machine, that has
these problems. Not Opera or Konq on this system or any
browser on any other system on my localnet.

Of course everything else on the my net that does any
browsing is Win 2k. The other two Debian systems are a
web server and and a backup/archive system.

Any other browsers I can try on Debian?

Tnx,
Dennis


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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Seb]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:34:26 +0100,
Davide Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[...]

>   Yes. I switched to kkbswitch because I had problems with KDE's
> management of multiple layouts, although setxkbmap does not crash here
> (I am using as a work-around for a bug in xkb-data).

kkbswitch is nice.  It doesn't crash X in my system.  However, it
doesn't seem to allow "cycling" the layouts with a shortcut key (I'm
used to 'Ctrl-Win-Alt-spc' for that).  Thanks for the tip.


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Re: Logging a kernel panic (remotely)

[Ronny Adsetts]

Douglas A. Tutty said at 16/01/2008 14:48:

On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:08:44PM +, Ronny Adsetts wrote:
I'm trying to solve a problem with a headless server on a remote site that 
panics from time to time. Unfortunately we have no remote console. Is there 
a way to get the kernel to either to to write the panic to disk or to log 
it remotely?


I've read about the RedHat 'netdump' utility but it doesn't seem to be 
available for debian (see debian bug 151472).


Does anyone have any advice to offer?

I'll try and get a serial console hooked up at some point but I may not be 
able to get on site for a few weeks.


If you have syslog send its log to another box, does the panic get out
the syslog?  The problem as I understand it is that when a kernel
panics, it panics and doing anything with the panic other than a message
to the console requires that the kernel do some further work.  Writing
to disk, or creating an IP packet and sending it out an NIC, all
requires that the kernel do something other than spit data out a serial
port.


Right. I was hoping this wasn't the case but it does make total sense.


If there is anyone at the site who can receive a pre-configured external
modem by courier, you could configure a modem to auto-dial you on power
up.  The minimally trained monkey on site can connect the modem and turn
it on.  You configure the serial console (in addition to the regular
console) and set up an mgetty on your box to take the modem's call.

Alternatively, if there is a spare printer on site, can anyone connect
it?  I don't know about a USB printer, but a serial or paralell printer
also works as a simple console logger.  It could then be mailed to you.

If the site is the top of a mountain with nobody around, then I would
consider arrangements for a serial console to be right up there with
arranging for backups before asking how to undelete a file: essential.


I did end up getting a serial cable and hooking it up to another computer.

Thanks for your reply.

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Re: Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 driver]

[Peter Jordan]

Anthony Campbell, 02/07/08 17:11:

>> I think that means that the card is not "on". Look in
>> /sys/class/mumblemumblemumble/iwl3945/device/rf_kill. It should be 0
>> for the card to be on, 1 for the card to be off, by way of the radio
>> control button/switch on your machine. 
>>
>> A
> 
> 
> I couldn;t find that entry but I'll have another look. Meanwhile I can
> no longer access the wireless even from the older kernels, so I don't
> know what is happening! Perhaps I'll give up and use a wired connection,
> which at least works.
> 
> Could you kindly post your /etc/networking/interfaces please, so that I
> can see if there is  a clue there?
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 

wouldn't it be better if you posted your /etc/network/interfaces ?


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Re: Non-understood advice - was Re: dist-upgrade from sarge to etch - package

[Florian Kulzer]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 19:06:27 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:53:48PM +0100, Florian Kulzer was heard to say:
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 20:34:14 +, Felix Karpfen wrote:
> > > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:54:08 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > > Check for non-Debian packages on your system by running:
> > > > 
> > > > aptitude search '~i!~Odebian'

[...]

> > > The generated list included one of the two non-Debian packages (opera)-
> > > deleted during the install and replaced subsequently. It failed to find
> > > the only other non-Debian package (vuescan).
> > 
> > How did you install vuescan? Maybe it does not properly identify itself
> > as non-Debian.
> 
>   Any package that isn't in an archive with Origin: Debian will be
> matched by that expression; whoever provides the vuescan package would
> have had to go out of their way to label their archive as being a Debian
> archive in order for this to happen.  "apt-cache policy vuescan" and/or
> "apt-cache showpkg vuescan" might give a hint about what's happening.

It seems that vuescan is distributed as a monolithic binary that is not
installed anywhere on the system as far as apt and dpkg are concerned.

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setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Seb]

Hi,

Has anybody found a work-around bug #462243
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462243).  It was
merged with an upstream bug in Xorg
(https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14162).  It happens in my
Debian sid system, with a M$ Natural Ergonomic (4000 v1.0) keyboard,
whenever setxkbmap is called.  I do this through kde's keyboard layout
in control center, and X simply crashes.  It also happens with a mere
call to setxkbmap on the command line without args.

I have this relevant entry in xorg.conf:

,-[ xorg.conf (lines: 50 - 57) ]
| Section "InputDevice"
| 
| # generated from default
| Identifier "Keyboard0"
| Driver "kbd"
| Option "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
| EndSection
`-

This has completely crippled the ability to change keyboard layout
between languages, so any ideas are welcome.  Thanks.


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How to set Samba and Cups on different servers ?

[Yuriy Kuznetsov]

Hi guys,

I'm looking for Samba printing gurus on this list and my sencere appologies
for sending this email to wide alias.
Could you help with your advice on how to set samba on one server and cups
on another server?
At the moment I have Samba+OpenLDAP+CUPS on the same server but I need to
move CUPS to another machine for some reason.
So lets assume that at the moment windows clients(and they are the most
users on the network) can see printers on Server1(Samba+OpenLDAP+CUPS). CUPS
installed on Server2(CUPS) and it is possible to print directly(using lp) to
the same printers. So what changes need to be done so that users still will
be loging to Server1 but print effectivly via Server2. I reckon that
printers still would be shown on the network using Samba on Server1.

I was trying the following :
Added "cups server = IP-address-server2"  to /etc/samba/smb.conf on server1:
printing = cups
printcap name = cups
cups server = 192.168.1.20

Also I have updated /etc/cups/printers.conf with printers' information on
server2.  After I have restarted samba on server1 I have lost connection
to all printers which originally were on server1.

Did anyone set something similar ?
Could you give an example of smb.conf with external CUPS server
configuration in it, please?

Thanks a lot in advance,
yuriy

Re: Thinkpad t61p

[Jimmy Wu]

On Feb 6, 2008 9:48 PM, Baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone have Debian (Etch, Lenny, Sid) running on this relatively new
> Thinkpad?  Sebastian

I have a very young installation of sid running on a T61 (not a T61p,
but pretty close)
Everything works fine, but I haven't messed with wifi or sound yet.
>From what I hear, the madwifi driver works fine for wireless, and
sound should work out of the box in kernel 2.6.23.  The strange thing
is I haven't gotten any sound out of mine yet, but then again, I
haven't found any sound files to play.

Nvidia-glx driver from the debian repos works fine, but the T61 has a
different card from the T61p, so that probably doesn't help.

cpu frequency scaling seems to be built in, and acpi / most of the Fn
key combinations seem to work (haven't tested all the keys or any sort
of suspend/hibernate, mainly because I haven't figured out how to get
that option in xfce)

Anyways, that's all I have for now
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Re: Question Regarding Directory Prompts

[Patrick Ouellette]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 11:01:20AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:01:20 -0500
> From: "Thomas H. George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Question Regarding Directory Prompts
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> The prompt always shows the entire chain to the current directory.  My 
> memory says this was not always so.  There is nothing in .bashrc regarding 
> this.  Is it set somewhere else?
>
> The reason I ask is that I am trying to work with a One Laptop per Child 
> (olpc) laptop and the prompt never shows even the current directory.  The 
> olpc is fedora based but I'm trying to get it to behave more like Debian.  
> My assumption is that aside from a few idiosyncracies fedora is linux.
>

Look in /etc/profile or ~/.bach_profile

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Re: SOLVED-How to configure modem

[Andrius]

Minicom is ready to cal and send files. Unfortunatelly there is no phone
line about me so there is no what to do more.

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Re: Accessing a TV adapter via my network

[Barry Samuels]

On 05/02/08 10:13:37, Nate Duehr wrote:
> 
> On Feb 5, 2008, at 2:26 AM, Barry Samuels wrote:
> 
> > I don't intend a cardboard box to be a permanent solution but I've
> > no intention of buying a case until I know that the whole setup 
> > works.

Looks like it's time to get a case.

The Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500 adapter is now installed in my cardboard 
computer and I have the MythTV Backend installed on the same machine 
and the MythTV Frontend on my normal desktop.

I can now watch and record television - whoopee!

I did have to get an digital signal amplifier for the aerial connection 
to the card as I was getting only about a 27% signal strength for BBC1 
- one of our strongest channels. For the same channel on our 
television, connected to the same aerial socket, we get a signal 
strength of around 90%. Perhaps the tuner in the television is more 
sensitive than the tuners in the TV adapter. With the amplifier in 
place it's now up to 51%.

Having made 3 test recordings I can say that recording works and so 
does the scheduling.

Just a bit of tidying up then.

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Re: computer case; was Re: Accessing a TV adapter via my network

[Barry Samuels]

On 05/02/08 17:44:26, PETER EASTHOPE wrote:
> Barry,
> 
> At Feb 5, 2008, at 2:26 AM you wrote,
> "... buying a case until I know that the whole setup works."
> 
> So many computers are discarded these days; few 
> people really need to buy a computer let alone 
> a case.

The problem is finding people who have parts that they no longer want.

>  If friends haven't offered you several,

Friends ?  :-))
 
> there should be a steady supply on various loading 
> docks and back corridors, waiting for disposal.
> 
> If postage weren't so costly, I'd mail you one.
> 
> Regards,  ... Peter E.

That's a nice thought Peter - thank you.

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Re: Question Regarding Directory Prompts

[Raj Kiran Grandhi]

Thomas H. George wrote:
The prompt always shows the entire chain to the current directory.  My 
memory says this was not always so.  There is nothing in .bashrc 
regarding this.  Is it set somewhere else?


probably in /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile

Also, see the bash prompt howto.


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/07/08 11:40, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 07/02/2008, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Maybe "Greco-Latin" was the wrong way to write what I meant.  A
>>  longer, but hopefully clearer, method would be "alphabets of Greek
>>  and Latin descent".
> 
> Not to continue this perpetually, but I think that you mean Latin
> decent. Although, technically speaking, Latin is in fact of Greek
> decent. However no Greek letters are in ASCII (the original point of
> the subthread). Even Greek glyphs that look like Latin glyphs are
> different codepoints.

No, I meant Greek & Latin, since I wanted to include Cyrillic in the
dicussion.

And yes, I understand that *ASCII* is only limited to western
alphabets.  Specifically, American English.

[snip]
> 
>>  What about the "dots".  Is that just a figment of misunderstanding?
> 
> The dots in Hebrew are optional. They indicate pronunciation, and are
> not used in everyday reading and writing. In fact, the only time they
> are seen is in religious texts and texts intended for those learning
> Hebrew. Sometimes, when writing a foreign word that must be pronounced
> correctly, they are used, but not often.
> 
> In Arabic, the dots do change letters, so they are not optional
> strictly speaking. The dots are always present on signs and in print.
> However, in writing, I think that they are often eliminated. Although
> I don't really have much experience with handwritten Arabic, so I'm
> very possibly wrong in that regard.

Interesting.

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Question about flack

[Andrius]

Hi,

there is new CD box on the table that should get inside PC.
On the box is mark "24bits/96khz recording".
In Rhytmbox preferences string to flack next:
audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! flacenc name=enc
So, encoding is  going only about 44100khz sampling like for casual CD.
How to make that encoding should act for 96000Hz sampling.

Andrius


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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Russell L. Harris]

* Seb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080207 13:42]:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anybody found a work-around bug #462243
> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462243).  It was
> merged with an upstream bug in Xorg
> (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14162).  It happens in my
> Debian sid system, with a M$ Natural Ergonomic (4000 v1.0) keyboard,
> whenever setxkbmap is called.  I do this through kde's keyboard layout
> in control center, and X simply crashes.  It also happens with a mere
> call to setxkbmap on the command line without args.

I use the "classic" (not ANSI) Dvorak layout, and in addition I swap
the MENU and ALT keys.

A number of months ago, after installing Lenny, I also experienced X
crashes when trying to alter the keyboard with "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xorg" -- even though I previously had been able to do so
without difficulty.

The work-around which I found is to make all keyboard layout changes
with the Gnome menu:

system -> preferences -> keyboard

RLH


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Re: setxkbmap crashes Xorg

[Davide Mancusi]

Seb ha scritto:

kkbswitch is nice.  It doesn't crash X in my system.  However, it
doesn't seem to allow "cycling" the layouts with a shortcut key (I'm
used to 'Ctrl-Win-Alt-spc' for that).  Thanks for the tip.


	That's something you have to configure in xorg.conf. In my 
configuration (see previous e-mail) I use Shift+Shift to switch keyboard 
layout (that's what the "grp:shifts_toggle" option does). There are 
other possibilities, but I don't remember now where they are documented. 
Try some googling on "xkb options group toggle", or something like that.


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Re: Iceweasel problems - 2 of 3

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 02/07/2008 06:33 AM:
> On 02/06/08 15:00, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>> When I restart Iceweasel it reopens all the windows and
>> tabs as designed with one not-so-small problem. It
>> opens *every* window or tab that was ever opened
>> before, nopt just the ones that were open when it
>> crashed or was shutdown. It doesn't seem to know or
>> care that those particular items were closed by either
>> clicking the "X"s or any of the other means, not just
>> minimized.
> 
>> Any ideas on this one?
> 
> What version of Iceweasel and branch of Debian are you running?
> (Maybe you mentioned it earlier, but I don't remember.)
> 
> I ask that because I've never experienced any symptoms like what you
> describe.
> 
Ron,

I am running etch and Iceweasel 2.0.0.10 and I just
finished doing an aptitude upgrade, which didn't seem
to affect these problems one way or the other.

Tnx,
Dennis


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Re: How can I find if a DHCP server is available

[Ron Johnson]

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On 02/07/08 14:15, Tony Heal wrote:
> I need to determine if a DHCP server is available on a remote system.
> Without changing my static network config or adding any non standard
> packages not already installed by the sarge / etch ISO.
> 
>  
> 
> Any ideas?

Try nmap.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - YouTube infiltration

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Mihira Fernando wrote the following on 02/07/2008 04:13 AM:
> Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>> Greetings;
>>
>> Well, just ran into a another frequent problem.
>>
>> I just re-booted and restarted Iceweasel. (22 windows,
>> I don't know how many tabs.) I had a bad feeling as
>> soon as I saw that all the favicons were YouTube.
> There you go. As others reported before, Flash doesn't play nicely on
> Iceweasel. 22 youtube windows will certainly crash Iceweasel.
> This is a behavior I have noticed on Iceweasel as well. Load flash
> intensive pages or lots of pages that has flash components in Iceweasel
> and the weasel looses its cool and crashes. Sometimes it just freezes
> other times it terminates on its own.
> However upon restarting Iceweasel it asks to restore the crashed session
> or start a new session. If you don't get that prompt, then your
> configuration has deviated from the default.
> 
>>
>> Everytime I try to get an internet page, either refresh
>> or new link, I get the following message, and no page.
>>
>> Not Found
>>
>> The requested URL /~joyce/album/ was not found
>> on this server.
>> Apache Server at www.youtube.com Port 80
>>
>> It appears that it is really sending the request to
>> YouTube. I have no idea why!
> Youtube is using flash. That's the reason.
> 
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>>
>> Dennis
> 
> Mihira.
> 
> 
Mihira,

Slight misunderstanding. None of these pages had a
youtube URL or contained any flash "stuff" in it.

Iceweasel just all of a sudden starts sending all
requests to Youtube. It also occasionally sends them to
Redhat, but not as often.

The little Youtube favicon will show up in the tabs
when this is happening, doesn't make any difference
what the actual page is!

I have installed Flash Block and Block Site so I will
see what effect they have.

Tnx!
Dennis


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Re: texlive vs. tetex

[Russell L. Harris]

* Rick Dooling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080207 13:28]:
> Hi, all:
> 
> I've searched the group for messages on these.
> 
> I have one machine running Etch with tetex.
> 
> Another newer machine where I haven't installed tetex or texlive.
> 
> Anybody with recent experience moving from tetex to texlive on Etch?
> 
> Or anybody just going with texlive having any unexpected problems.

Install texlive; it's good; I use texlive daily in a fairly complex
typesetting environment, under both "stable" (Etch) and "testing"
(Lenny).

Of course, If you happen to be running something exotic with a tetex
dependency, you might double-check before overwriting your tetex
installation.

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Re: Iceweasel problems - YouTube infiltration

[Dennis G. Wicks]

Ron Johnson wrote the following on 02/07/2008 06:53 AM:
> On 02/06/08 16:27, Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
>> Mike Bird wrote the following on 02/06/2008 04:05 PM:
>>> On Wed February 6 2008 13:42:55 Dennis G. Wicks wrote:
 Everytime I try to get an internet page, either refresh
 or new link, I get the following message, and no page.

Not Found

The requested URL /~joyce/album/ was not found
on this server.
Apache Server at www.youtube.com Port 80

 It appears that it is really sending the request to
 YouTube. I have no idea why!
>>> Check that Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Network / Settings
>>> specifies a direct connection to the internet.
>>>
>>> --Mike Bird
>>>
>>>
>> Can't do that. I don't have a direct connection, I have
>> a proxy. It has worked flawlessly for oh ... 10 years,
>> and still does.
> 
>> Other systems, Windows 2k, on the network don't have
>> that problem, and neither do Opera or Konq on this machine.
> 
> The Flashblock plugin might help you.
> 
> Also, is this amd64?
> 
Ron,

Thanks for the tip. I just installed Flashblock, so we
will see what happens.

No, this isn't AMD64, P4 with lots of memory and paging
area.

Tnx!
Dennis


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Re: How can I find if a DHCP server is available

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On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 03:25:07PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 02/07/08 14:15, Tony Heal wrote:
> > I need to determine if a DHCP server is available on a remote system.
> > Without changing my static network config or adding any non standard
> > packages not already installed by the sarge / etch ISO.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Try nmap.
dhcping
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Re: vim + LaTeX (Was: What am I missing without mutt?)

[David Brodbeck]

On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

Emacs's bidirectional text rendering is still non-existing.

I recall that there was a patch for bidi support in Emacs. But I  
have no

idea what ever came up with it.


It's buggy and based on an old version of Emacs.  Last time I tried to  
build it, it segfaulted immediately when I tried to run the resulting  
binary.


Emacs 22 has vastly improved support for multi-lingual text, but still  
no bidi and no connected script.  So far the only solution I've found  
for editing bidi text is Katoob.




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Re: Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 driver]

[Anthony Campbell]

> 
> I think that means that the card is not "on". Look in
> /sys/class/mumblemumblemumble/iwl3945/device/rf_kill. It should be 0
> for the card to be on, 1 for the card to be off, by way of the radio
> control button/switch on your machine. 
> 
> A


I couldn;t find that entry but I'll have another look. Meanwhile I can
no longer access the wireless even from the older kernels, so I don't
know what is happening! Perhaps I'll give up and use a wired connection,
which at least works.

Could you kindly post your /etc/networking/interfaces please, so that I
can see if there is  a clue there?

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qla2xxx mailbox timeout crashes lenny

[Daniel Bakken]

When running rsnapshot backups from an IBM fibre channel disk system using
LVM2 snapshots to a Promise fibre channel disk system, the qla2xxx driver
causes a system crash and reboot. I'm running Lenny with kernel
2.6.22--3-vserver-amd64 and stock Debian qla2xxx module. I've already
replaced the Qlogic HBA and the Qlogic switch connecting to the storage.
Three other servers with similar hardware running the same Debian version
don't have this problem. These events were logged with the
ql2xextended_error_logging parameter enabled:

Feb  6 13:40:28 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx_eh_abort(0): aborting sp
8101d01aa7c0 from RISC. pid=111928.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): timeout calling
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): timeout calling
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: Mailbox command timeout
occured. Issuing ISP abort.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: Performing ISP error
recovery - ha= 810225a84530.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0):  Load RISC code 
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Verifying Checksum of loaded RISC
code.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Checksum OK, start firmware.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Issue init firmware.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous P2P MODE received.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous LOOP UP (4 Gbps).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: LOOP UP detected (4
Gbps).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Port database changed  0006
.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE ignored
/0004/0600.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE ignored
/0007/0b00.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): F/W Ready - OK
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fw_state=3 curr time=1001756ca.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_restart_isp(): Start configure loop,
status = 0
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Configure loop -- dpc flags
=0x4080048
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RSCN queue entry[0] = [00/00].
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): device_resync: rscn overflow.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RFT_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register FC-4 TYPE failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RFF_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register FC-4 Features failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RNN_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register Node Name failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): GID_PT failed, completion status
(180).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): GA_NXT failed, rejected request:
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel:  0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  Ah
Bh  Ch  Dh  Eh  Fh
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel:
--
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: 14  00  00  00  00  10  97  23  02  00  00
00  10  08  00  00
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: SNS scan failed --
assuming zero-entry result...
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-2 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla24xx_fabric_logout(0): failed to complete
IOCB -- completion status (2)  ioparam=0/810031.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): LOOP READY
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_restart_isp(): Configure loop done,
status = 0x0
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: APIC error on CPU5: 00(40)
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_abort_isp(0): exiting.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): finished
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): finished
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0):  FAILED.
mbx0=54, mbx1=0, mbx2=2397, cmd=54 
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_issue_iocb(0): failed rval 0x100
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_issue_iocb(0): failed rval 0x100
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla24xx_abort_command(0): failed to issue
IOCB (100).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx_eh_abort(0): abort_command mbx
failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: scsi(0:0:0): Abort
command issued -- 0 1b538 2002.
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-2 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 27
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 27
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqho

Re: Help me out to install Debian

[Jochen Schulz]

Anupam Jamatia:
>
> Dear Sir ,

There are ladies present as well. :)

> i have an PC with P-4 , 256MB RAM, with 1.60 GHz , now i want to
> install Debian and XP with dual mode , i have already installed XP in my
> system with 3 partitins C,D, and E with 20,9, and 9 GB respectively...now
> how to install Debian OS in the system , its confused to isntall Debian
> after XP ...if you kindly help me out with step by step method to install
> (including pertition ) it will be helpfull to me.Thanking you .

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/

Before installing, you should decide which partition to use for the
installation (yes, this partition will be completely wiped, so be sure
not to have any valuable data on it).

The release notes might help as well:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index.de.html

J.
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Re: Help! OpenOffice upgrade went wrong!

[H.S.]

ai wrote:

Hi all,

I did a dist-upgrade yesterday and since then, all the menus in Open Office 
have disappeared ; all menu text characters were replaced by empty square 
boxes. Same happens in all Open Office apps: Write, Calc, etc.


I run the testing distribution on a HP e-PC 42 (PIV 1.6 Mhz).

Has anybody else run into that? Is there a workaround? Should I file a bug 
report?


Thanks. PS: please copy me in your replies, I am not a list subscriber.


I read these messages on the Gmane newsgroup and never usually send 
emails. Perhaps you could browse the list at least for this purpose of 
yours only.


I did the upgrade too, but used 'aptitude full-upgrade', and all went 
well. What are the installed packages on your machine? Find out using:

$> dpkg -l openoffice* | grep ^i


->HS


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Re: Question about flac

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Andrius wrote:

Hi,

there is new CD box on the table that should get inside PC.
On the box is mark "24bits/96khz recording".
In Rhytmbox preferences string to flack next:
audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! flacenc name=enc
So, encoding is  going only about 44100khz sampling like for casual CD.
How to make that encoding should act for 96000Hz sampling.



I don't know the answer but you mean FLAC Free Lossless Audio Codec not 
flack, as you wrote.


But it gave me a chance to find out about FLAC, sounds neat.

Hugo


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Re: What am I missing without mutt?

[s. keeling]

Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  handled? On my machine Hebrew is reversed in the console. If someone
>  could enlighten me as to how to install new locales (I've googled and
>  cannot figure it out) then I'll try it and report back.

As root, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" gives me a curses based chooser.
Toggle on the ones you want, and it'll generate them.

Thanks for the interesting discussion.  I'd not an inkling that
Cyrillic arrived that way, and the mechanics of ME languages were
pretty much dark here before this.  :-)


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this list is on google groups

[ChadDavis]

I didn't realize that until I joined a Google Group for Rails, went to my
profile page and saw that Google could quickly display every post that I'd
ever made to the debian list.  Kind of scarey to think that all of my posts
to a list were being kept on record with out my knowing.  I'm sure that the
debian list had an announcement about this, but I don't read every day.
Anybody else find this creepy?

Makes me wonder if i should check to see if my "Overly Fond of Goats" list
has also been made a Google Group with out me knowing.  Sure wouldn't want
anyone keeping tabs on those posts.  BTW, this bit about goats is a complete
and hopefully humorous fabrication.

Re: security concerns for home work network

[ChadDavis]

> You could place an old machine on the "dmz" port of your
> firewall/router (you DO have a firewall, don't you?), and copy client
> software to that machine, for access by your clients.
>

I don't have a firewall software, but i have the DSL router and
nothing comes through unless i port forward.  I think that is just
NAT, right?  That works as a firewall, does it not?

Re: this list is on google groups

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Friday 08 February 2008 04:23, ChadDavis wrote:
> I didn't realize that until I joined a Google Group for Rails, went to my

How could it help others if it was not?
Thierry


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Re: this list is on google groups

[steve]

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ChadDavis wrote:
| I didn't realize that until I joined a Google Group for Rails, went to
| my profile page and saw that Google could quickly display every post
| that I'd ever made to the debian list.  Kind of scarey to think that all
| of my posts to a list were being kept on record with out my knowing.
| I'm sure that the debian list had an announcement about this, but I
| don't read every day.  Anybody else find this creepy?
|


its got nothing to with any announcement by debian list.  its web
crawlers, they touch everything, scary huh. mailing lists are archived
all over the net. search for your email address on any search engine
you'll see quite surprising results if you post regularly to any mailing
list.


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Re: No SYNACK to port 80?

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On Feb 1, 12:20 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there.  I'm having a strange problem.  Sometimes, for short periods
> of time, when connecting to my web server from an external IP address,
> the connection doesn't complete.  But at the same time, I can connect
> from a local ip address.
>
> I ran tshark on the machine to monitor traffic when these "short
> periods" happen and I noticed that for external connections, my
> machine is not replying to the ACK in the three-way handshake.
>
>   0.00 69.120.132.213 -> 10.1.1.202   TCP 52197 > www [SYN] Seq=0
> Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=2
>   3.006786 69.120.132.213 -> 10.1.1.202   TCP 52197 > www [SYN] Seq=0
> Len=0 MSS=1460 WS=2
>   8.973167 69.120.132.213 -> 10.1.1.202   TCP 52197 > www [SYN] Seq=0
> Len=0 MSS=1460
>
> I don't have iptables installed, and SELinux is not enabled.

It happened again, and I captured the raw packets.  There is NO
difference between two packets coming in except one is from an
external IP and one is from an internal one.
The internal one is replied to with SYNACK and the external one is
ignored.  I'm not sure how to continue debugging this.  I can post my
raw capture.


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Re: this list is on google groups

[John Hasler]

ChadDavis writes:
> I didn't realize that until I joined a Google Group for Rails, went to my
> profile page and saw that Google could quickly display every post that
> I'd ever made to the debian list.

All Debian lists except -private are publically archived by Debian.  Google
very helpfully indexes them so that people in need of assistance with
Debian can search for previous discussions of their problems.

> Makes me wonder if i should check to see if my "Overly Fond of Goats"
> list has also been made a Google Group with out me knowing.

This is a mailing list?  Is it publically archived somewhere or mirrored as
a newsgroup?  If not how would Google have gotten at it?

> Sure wouldn't want anyone keeping tabs on those posts.

Now your boss knows they exist.

> BTW, this bit about goats is a complete and hopefully humorous
> fabrication.

Sure it is.  _Sure_ it is.
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Re: this list is on google groups

[John Hasler]

Steve Reilly writes:
> its got nothing to with any announcement by debian list. 

It has everything to do with the fact that Debian publically archives all
Debian lists except -private.

> search for your email address on any search engine you'll see quite
> surprising results if you post regularly to any mailing list.

Only mailing lists that are publically archived.  Google has no way to get
at private lists.
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Re: this list is on google groups

[cothrige]

steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> its got nothing to with any announcement by debian list.  its web
> crawlers, they touch everything, scary huh. mailing lists are archived
> all over the net. search for your email address on any search engine
> you'll see quite surprising results if you post regularly to any mailing
> list.

Actually, I think the truth is even simpler than this.  Google Groups is
a usenet archive and posting service.  Debian-user is also a usenet
group, lists.debian.user, and all the posts here I think are
automatically crossposted to that newsgroup, and vice-versa.  I have
used that method to browse through a time or two, though I prefer the
mailing list way of doing things a bit.  But, because this is a
newsgroup and a list it has automatically been archived at google
groups.  Or, at least I would think that is what is going on.

Patrick


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Re: security concerns for home work network

[Russell L. Harris]

* ChadDavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080207 21:42]:
> 
> You could place an old machine on the "dmz" port of your
> firewall/router (you DO have a firewall, don't you?), and copy client
> software to that machine, for access by your clients.
> 
> I don't have a firewall software, but i have the DSL router and
> nothing comes through unless i port forward.  I think that is just
> NAT, right?  That works as a firewall, does it not?

Some firewall/routers have a "dmz" ("demilitarized zone"), which
enables a single firewall/router (and thus, a single Internet
connection) to serve both a private LAN and a public server; others do
not.

One of the easiest and most economical ways to experiment with a DMZ
is to place three ethernet cards and a small drive (10 gigabytes is
sufficient) in an old Pentium or Pentium-II machine (200 to 400 MHz is
adequate), and then install IPCop or SmoothWall (www.smoothwall.org).
If you are running dial-up, you need only two ethernet cards.

I am familiar with SmoothWall, having used it for a number of years,
and I think that it is the more polished and user-friendly of the two
packages -- even a novice can install and configure SmoothWall.  

RLH


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Re: nvidia driver problem [Was: new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

[Jimmy Wu]

On Jan 28, 2008 5:05 PM, Geosand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jimmy Wu wrote:
> > Well, an update: I just ran the nvidia script today (169.09) and it
> > worked.  I told it to not look for a precompiled interface on
> > nvidia.com, so it did some compiling on its own, I think, but anyways,
> > after I updated xorg.conf and restarted X, I saw the great big nVidia
> > splash screen.
> >
> > Thanks again to every who replied for your help.
> >
> Good to know, Jimmy.
> Thanks.
>
> 'When I get the time', I'll follow suit.
> Regards,
>
> David Palmer.
>

Another update:  the nvidia installer works fine after it runs, but my
X breaks on the next reboot, and consequently I have to rerun the
installer on every reboot - a royal PITA.

At first, I thought it may have been due to conflicts with the
installed/half-installed nvidia-glx packages when I tried to use the
debian method earlier, so I removed all of those packages I could
think of, but that didn't fix the problem.  Eventually, I got so fed
up I reinstalled the system, upgraded to unstable, and used the debian
nvidia-glx packages, which installed beautifully without a hitch
(cursing nvidia and closed-source drivers all the while).  I am now
running compiz happily on my sid system, and all is well once again
:-)

Best,
-- 
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Registered Linux User #454138


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qla2xxx mailbox timeout crashes lenny

[Daniel Bakken]

When running rsnapshot backups from an IBM fibre channel disk system using
LVM2 snapshots to a Promise fibre channel disk system, the qla2xxx driver
causes a system crash and reboot. I'm running Lenny with kernel
2.6.22--3-vserver-amd64 and stock Debian qla2xxx module. I've already
replaced the Qlogic HBA and the Qlogic switch connecting to the storage.
Three other servers with similar hardware running the same Debian version
don't have this problem.

Feb  6 13:40:28 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx_eh_abort(0): aborting sp
8101d01aa7c0 from RISC. pid=111928.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): timeout calling
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): timeout calling
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: Mailbox command timeout
occured. Issuing ISP abort.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: Performing ISP error
recovery - ha= 810225a84530.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0):  Load RISC code 
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Verifying Checksum of loaded RISC
code.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Checksum OK, start firmware.
Feb  6 13:40:58 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Issue init firmware.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous P2P MODE received.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous LOOP UP (4 Gbps).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: LOOP UP detected (4
Gbps).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Port database changed  0006
.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE ignored
/0004/0600.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Asynchronous PORT UPDATE ignored
/0007/0b00.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): F/W Ready - OK
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fw_state=3 curr time=1001756ca.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_restart_isp(): Start configure loop,
status = 0
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Configure loop -- dpc flags
=0x4080048
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RSCN queue entry[0] = [00/00].
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): device_resync: rscn overflow.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RFT_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register FC-4 TYPE failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RFF_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register FC-4 Features failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): RNN_ID failed, completion status
(280).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): Register Node Name failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): GID_PT failed, completion status
(180).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): GA_NXT failed, rejected request:
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel:  0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  Ah
Bh  Ch  Dh  Eh  Fh
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: --

Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: 14  00  00  00  00  10  97  23  02  00  00
00  10  08  00  00
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: SNS scan failed --
assuming zero-entry result...
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-2 - port retry count: 29
remaining
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla24xx_fabric_logout(0): failed to complete
IOCB -- completion status (2)  ioparam=0/810031.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): LOOP READY
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_restart_isp(): Configure loop done,
status = 0x0
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: APIC error on CPU5: 00(40)
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_abort_isp(0): exiting.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): finished
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0): finished
abort_isp
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_mailbox_command(0):  FAILED.
mbx0=54, mbx1=0, mbx2=2397, cmd=54 
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_issue_iocb(0): failed rval 0x100
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2x00_issue_iocb(0): failed rval 0x100
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla24xx_abort_command(0): failed to issue
IOCB (100).
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx_eh_abort(0): abort_command mbx
failed.
Feb  6 13:40:59 hqhost kernel: qla2xxx :08:01.0: scsi(0:0:0): Abort
command issued -- 0 1b538 2002.
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:00 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-2 - port retry count: 28
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-0 - port retry count: 27
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-1 - port retry count: 27
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:01 hqhost kernel: scsi(0): fcport-2 - port retry count: 27
remaining
Feb  6 13:41:02 h

Etch-and-a-half? When?

[Amit Uttamchandani]

Hey guys,

Here's a quote from the LCA: State of Debian article on lwn.net:

"The Etch-and-a-half release will be happening soon. This is a version of Etch 
which offers a 2.6.24 kernel - needed to make Etch work on newer hardware. The 
original 2.6.18 kernel will remain an option for Etch users."

This is very exciting! Any idea on what soon means?

Thanks,
Amit


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realtime-lsm module and vanilla 2.6.24 kernel

[Dietrich Bollmann]

Hi,

I would like to use the new vanilla 2.6.24 kernel with the
realtime-lsm module.

But it seems to be not possible anymore to configure the vanilla
2.6.24 kernel to compile the security capabilities as module as
described in the README for the Debian realtime-lsm package in
/usr/share/doc/realtime-lsm/README.Debian .

Should I

  - wait for an update of the realtime-lsm module?
  - try one of
- CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y
- # CONFIG_XFRM_SUB_POLICY is not set
- CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=m
  - do something else?

Thanks, Dietrich  



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