Re: Serial Connection

[Stan Hoeppner]

Moczik Gabor put forth on 3/28/2011 12:01 AM:
> Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> We bought DB25 plugs in bags of 100, and used spooled CAT5 as the noise
>> rejection is many times that of CAT3, allowing greater distances across
>> sprawling warehouses.
> 
> RS-232 uses single-ended signaling and requires shielded cable, twisted
> pair doesn't help either. 

Interesting to see you state this, considering the experience of many IT
folk stuck supporting legacy serial terminals and printers proves the
opposite to be true.  Back in 1996/7 I worked for such a legacy
equipment using company, a chemical producer in St. Louis.  We were
routinely (weekly) making 200+ ft. CAT5 UTP (24 AWG solid plenum cable)
runs across warehouses and production buildings.  The connections were
between RS232 Wyse terminals, thermal label printers, and ethernet
terminal servers at 9600 bps, using 3 conductors, one twisted pair
(orange/white-orange) and one single conductor of another pair (green)
for ground.  We could reliably run 115,200 bps on runs up to 50 ft.
using CAT5 UTP.  The cables distances we routinely achieved were
obviously many times the RS232 spec maximums.

> The common-mode noise rejection of twisted
> pair only works if the signals connected to a balanced input receiver.

Twisted pair cabled achieves its rejection performance against EMI/RFI
simply due to its design, not whether the signal is balanced or not.  If
any non-negligible length of the cable is in proximity to a noise
source, having twisted conductors minimizes the potential pick up area
of any one conductor.

The single largest user of twisted pair cable, its inventor and
progenitor actually, was AT&T (the old monopoly AT&T), now known as many
different companies after the 1980s breakup of the AT&T monpoly and the
creation of the "baby Bells", now known as Verizon et al.  CAT1 and CAT3
UTP have been used for telephones for more than 6 decades, and I'm
pretty sure everyone knows telephones don't use balanced signals.

You should read about the history of UTP cabling.  It's pretty
interesting, for a geek anyway.

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iceweasle short period timeout

[ZHAO Lina]

Hi,

The iceweasle sometimes showed me
problem loading page,
the connection timeout,

...
and after 10 mins or so it works again.

is it possible some virus.

it's happened once yesterday and also today.

During this period, I can ssh out to other service, and also ssh to this
computer.
But I failed to use synaptic to download other browse to test.

Thanks for any suggestion.

lina

Re: Serial Connection

[Moczik Gabor]

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

We bought DB25 plugs in bags of 100, and used spooled CAT5 as the noise
rejection is many times that of CAT3, allowing greater distances across
sprawling warehouses.


RS-232 uses single-ended signaling and requires shielded cable, twisted
pair doesn't help either. The common-mode noise rejection of twisted
pair only works if the signals connected to a balanced input receiver.
Industrial RS-485 communication is one of these solutions, for example.



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Re: You touched one of my pet peeves (was Re: dpkg: syntax error)

[Marc Shapiro]

On 03/27/11 19:52, Scott Ferguson wrote:


And Double-U Double-U - I "know" that is how it's supposed to be, but
I've spent years (delighting in) saying "wuh" "wuh" "wuh" (as in the
Magyar "w").


How about combining all three of them into 'hexa-u"?

Marc


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Re: You touched one of my pet peeves (was Re: dpkg: syntax error)

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/11 13:26, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2011 27 Mar 21:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>  
>> That's a double *slash*.  The backslash (on my US "small "
>> kb) is under the pipe.
>>
>> We know this because typewriter keyboards only had one such key and
>> so Lower Left To Upper Right became the "slash" key.  When IBM added
>> another key, that new key became the backslash.
> 
> Even more annoying are some local radio commercials where the voice
> says, "aH Tee Tee Pea Colon Backslash Backslash Double-U Double-U
> Double-U blah blah blah".
> 
> - Nate >>
> 

Blame Embrace Extend Extinguish...

And Double-U Double-U - I "know" that is how it's supposed to be, but
I've spent years (delighting in) saying "wuh" "wuh" "wuh" (as in the
Magyar "w").

Cheers

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Re: You touched one of my pet peeves (was Re: dpkg: syntax error)(is now OOT)

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/11 13:12, Ron Johnson wrote:

> You touched one of my pet peeves

Thanks - I assure you it was unintentional, I have now washed my hands
and disinfected the keyboard.

:-)

> On 03/27/2011 08:35 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:



>>
>> Is the double backslashes a clue?
>>
> 
> That's a double *slash*.  The backslash (on my US "small " kb) is
> under the pipe.
> 
> We know this because typewriter keyboards only had one such key and so
> Lower Left To Upper Right became the "slash" key.  When IBM added
> another key, that new key became the backslash.

I'm happy to take your word for it.
Was there a "pacific" link I should read?

> 
> http://www.macwebguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/olympiaportabletypewritekeyboard.jpg
> 
> 
> http://eprints.utas.edu.au/3383/2/op_typewriter_keyboard_ep.jpg
> 
> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-1QGhsS3OZ0/R4FQccv5-WI/APE/S6za2eZBx4c/beige+ibm+selectric+typewriter.JPG
> 
> 
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Keyboard_on_a_typewriter.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: You touched one of my pet peeves (was Re: dpkg: syntax error)

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2011 27 Mar 21:13 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 
> That's a double *slash*.  The backslash (on my US "small "
> kb) is under the pipe.
> 
> We know this because typewriter keyboards only had one such key and
> so Lower Left To Upper Right became the "slash" key.  When IBM added
> another key, that new key became the backslash.

Even more annoying are some local radio commercials where the voice
says, "aH Tee Tee Pea Colon Backslash Backslash Double-U Double-U
Double-U blah blah blah".

- Nate >>

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possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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You touched one of my pet peeves (was Re: dpkg: syntax error)

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/27/2011 08:35 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

An apt-get update for Squeeze gives the following error message:-

dpkg: syntax error in file triggers file `/var/lib/dpkg/triggers//File'
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

The machine is a fairly standard KDE Squeeze i386 - the update is (I
believe) the last point release (92 upgraded packages), and
/var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File does exist, and has no obvious syntax errors
(or blank spaces.

Is the double backslashes a clue?



That's a double *slash*.  The backslash (on my US "small " kb) 
is under the pipe.


We know this because typewriter keyboards only had one such key and so 
Lower Left To Upper Right became the "slash" key.  When IBM added 
another key, that new key became the backslash.


http://www.macwebguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/olympiaportabletypewritekeyboard.jpg

http://eprints.utas.edu.au/3383/2/op_typewriter_keyboard_ep.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-1QGhsS3OZ0/R4FQccv5-WI/APE/S6za2eZBx4c/beige+ibm+selectric+typewriter.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Keyboard_on_a_typewriter.jpg



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How to disable (or change) the logout sound in gnome/GDM?

[Yuwen Dai]

Dear all,

The logout sound is a very ugly beep.  I can change the login sound in
gdm.conf but can not find where the logout sound setting is.  I also put
pcspkr module in the blacklist, no effect.

Best regards,
Yuwen

dpkg: syntax error

[Scott Ferguson]

An apt-get update for Squeeze gives the following error message:-

dpkg: syntax error in file triggers file `/var/lib/dpkg/triggers//File'
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)

The machine is a fairly standard KDE Squeeze i386 - the update is (I
believe) the last point release (92 upgraded packages), and
/var/lib/dpkg/triggers/File does exist, and has no obvious syntax errors
(or blank spaces.

Is the double backslashes a clue?


Cheers

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Re: Serial Connection

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/11 11:46, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:08 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>
>> For attaching a terminal all you need to connect are pins 2, 3, and 7 on
>> a DB25, or 2, 3, and 5 on a DB9.  Reverse 2,3 on one end of each cable
>> to get your x-over.  All the other pins are for modems only and are not
>> used for terminal connections.  Serial printers only need 2, 3, 7 as well.
> 
> That would be transmit data (TD), receive data (RD), and signal ground (SG),
> respectively.  That is the minimum.  But it may not be sufficient.
> If the terminal is set up for hardware flow control, for example, it
> won't be sufficient.  Besides, the OP wants to cross-cable two servers
> together, it seems, and use a minicom session on one to open a terminal 
> session
> on the other.  minicom was written for use with a modem and probably
> expects more of these lines to be functional than just TD, RD, and SG.
> The devil is in the details.  If he uses a full cross-over cable, as
> outlined in
> 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png
> 
> (or a standard serial cable with a similarly wired null modem), it should
> work with any DTE-to-DTE connection.
> 


If using hardware control then yes, three wires is not enough (you'll
get garbage), if using software control he should have no problems.
I use that set up frequently without problems

Specifically:- minicom both ends, software control on. (It'll also work
for laplink under DOS).

For a quick solution when a proper cable is not on hand:-
Strip a centimetre or two of insulation off both ends of three lengths
of wire, using a nail or toothpick as a former make a wire wrap/coil,
cover the wirewrap/coil in tape and carefully slide it off the former
onto the serial pin. Works fine - I also use the same setups for quick
and dirty serial port logging connections. Haven't tried it for printers.

Currently using exactly that setup to monitor an old SGI Octane on the
workbench now.

Cheers

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Re: Serial Connection

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:30:49 -0400 (EDT), ow...@netptc.net wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:41:37 -0400 (EDT, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> 
>> That's true. But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem 
>> not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR 
>> and also crosses over RTS and CTS. Ground, of course, is wired 
>> to Ground. CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the 
>> interface (on both sides). RI is usually left unconnected. 
>> 
>> See, for example, 
>> 
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png 
> 
> Yes Stephen that's the "traditional approach".  Unfortunately
> there are at least half-a dozen non-standard configurations
> (e.g. permanent RTS, connecting DSR to DTR) which drive RS-232
> people nuts.  I agree that the place to start is with your
> traditional cable or with a null modem adaptor (essentially a
> black box that does all the interconnections for you, allowing
> straight through cables from either side to the boxes) but beware
> this may not work in all situations.

I agree.  Special situations may require special wiring.  As I
said in another post, the devil is in the details.

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Re: Cmake on Knoppix

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/11 07:56, John Culleton wrote:
> Knoppix is a Debian derivative so I am asking here. I want to compile 
> svn versions of programs such as Scribus. Scribus has switched from 
> conventional ./configure, make, make install sequence to a cmake based 
> system. I can't seem to be able to download cmake using apt-get. Is it 
> cataloged under another name?


Have you tried the Knoppix repositories?

# KNOPPIX Sources
deb-src http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./
# KNOPPIX Precompiled binaries
deb http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org ./

Cheers

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Re: Serial Connection

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:27:08 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> 
> For attaching a terminal all you need to connect are pins 2, 3, and 7 on
> a DB25, or 2, 3, and 5 on a DB9.  Reverse 2,3 on one end of each cable
> to get your x-over.  All the other pins are for modems only and are not
> used for terminal connections.  Serial printers only need 2, 3, 7 as well.

That would be transmit data (TD), receive data (RD), and signal ground (SG),
respectively.  That is the minimum.  But it may not be sufficient.
If the terminal is set up for hardware flow control, for example, it
won't be sufficient.  Besides, the OP wants to cross-cable two servers
together, it seems, and use a minicom session on one to open a terminal session
on the other.  minicom was written for use with a modem and probably
expects more of these lines to be functional than just TD, RD, and SG.
The devil is in the details.  If he uses a full cross-over cable, as
outlined in

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png

(or a standard serial cable with a similarly wired null modem), it should
work with any DTE-to-DTE connection.

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Re: Serial Connection

[owens]

- Original Message -
From: Stephen Powell 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: 3/27/2011 6:41:37 PM
Subject: Re: Serial Connection


On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT), ow...@netptc.net wrote: 
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT, Stephen Powell wrote: 
>> 
>> I haven't tried this, but one thing you want to make sure of is that 
>> you use a "cross-over" cable. The serial ports on PCs have what's known 
>> as a DTE interface (Data Terminal Equipment). The serial ports on 
>> modems have what's known as a DCE interface (Data Communications 
>> Equipment). A standard serial cable is designed to connect a DTE 
>> interface to a DCE interface (i.e. a computer to a modem). 
>> What you are trying to do is connect two DTE interfaces together. 
>> For that you need to use a special serial cable called a "cross-over" 
>> cable which is specifically designed to connect a DTE interface to 
>> another DTE interface. If you try to use a regular serial cable, 
>> one designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface, it won't work. 
>> 
>> An alternative to using a cross-over cable is to use a device called 
>> a "null modem" on one end of your serial cable. A null modem attached 
>> to a standard serial cable effectively converts it into a cross-over 
>> cable. 
>> 
>> Connecting a serial printer to a computer also requires a cross-over 
>> cable or a standard cable plus a null modem, since both devices have 
>> a DTE interface. 
>> 
>> You also might have to use two cables and two serial ports. One serial 
>> port looks like a modem, with you as the terminal. minicom 
>> allocates it. The other serial port looks like a serial console, 
>> with you as the host. getty allocates it. The other server sees 
>> a similar pattern. 
> 
> There's usually more than crossing Transmit Data and Receive Data. 
> There are at least two control signals that are applicable. 
> Usually one "borrows" what is known as a break-out box to determine 
> which signals each side of the interface are active. There are 
> lots of good googles for RS-232 that will help. 

That's true. But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem 
not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR 
and also crosses over RTS and CTS. Ground, of course, is wired 
to Ground. CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the 
interface (on both sides). RI is usually left unconnected. 

See, for example, 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png 

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`- 

Yes Stephen that's the "traditional approach".  Unfortunately there are at 
least half-a dozen non-standard configurations (e.g. permanent RTS, connecting 
DSR to DTR) which drive RS-232 people nuts.  I agree that the place to start is 
with your traditional cable or with a null modem adaptor (essentially a black 
box that does all the interconnections for you, allowing straight through 
cables from either side to the boxes) but beware this may not work in all 
situations.

Larry
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Re: debian 6 - latest release - internet connection

[Selim T. Erdogan]

Johan Scheepers, 27.03.2011:
> On 03/26/2011 08:34 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:
> >Johan Scheepers, 20.03.2011:
> >>After installing debian 6 it was found that it prefers built in wireless
> >>connection on my dsl.
> >>
> >>The wire connection was inserted and available.
> >>
> >>The wireless connection works ok at 55% but I would prefer wired 
> >>connection.
> >>
> >>Fedora, centos, mandriva prefers wired connection on installation.
> >>
> >>Could there be a reason for debian's behaviour.
> >When you say "inserted and available" do you mean just plugged in, or
> >actually working in Debian?  Could it be that the wired ethernet card
> >was not recognized and/or no driver was loaded?  Does the wired
> >interface work if you turn off the wireless manually?
> >
> >
> Good day,
> Was installing debian 6. Went through the fases answer the questions.
> It whent on and installed about 1200 files without asking the wireless 
> password.
> Now I think it must have used the wired connection.

That'a good sign.  If you didn't have to provide any information during 
installation, it would mean the setup was determined automatically.  Is 
the wired connection you're trying to use now the same one you were 
hooked up to during the installation?

> When I rebooted (first reboot after install) it was found that the 
> wireless connection was used.
> 
> It will not auto configure eth0. I can not manually configure eth0.
> I can not answer required questions.

Can you write what specific commands or GUI selections you try and what 
responses (error messages) you see?  And what do you mean by the 
"required questions"?

> Point of interest. Fedora 14 and Mandriva 2010.2 was able to configure 
> and use
>  (1) Wired  (2) Wireless and (3) Mobile broad  on the same machine.
> They are all installed on separate external USB drives on same machine..
> Just switch cables to boot other distro.
> 
> When debian 5.06 was used it connected to the wired connection.
> Did not upgrade (never upgrade) do fresh install always.
> 
> Something must have changed.
> Thanks
> Johan


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Re: Cmake on Knoppix

[Wayne Topa]

On 03/27/2011 04:56 PM, John Culleton wrote:

Knoppix is a Debian derivative so I am asking here. I want to compile
svn versions of programs such as Scribus. Scribus has switched from
conventional ./configure, make, make install sequence to a cmake based
system. I can't seem to be able to download cmake using apt-get. Is it
cataloged under another name?


~$ apt-cache search cmake
cmake-curses-gui - curses based user interface for CMake (ccmake)
cmake-data - CMake data files (modules, templates and documentation)
cmake-dbg - debugging symbols for CMake
cmake-doc - extended documentation in various formats for CMake
cmake-qt-gui - Qt4 based user interface for CMake (cmake-gui)
cmake - a cross-platform, open-source make system


HTH
WT


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Re: adzapper help needed

[Scott Ferguson]

On 28/03/11 02:14, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I've used adzapper long ago, but stopped using it long ago,
> and forgotten why I stopped. Now I want to use it again
> on a computer running Wheezy, but I can't find information
> on how to configure my browser. The Debian documentation
> seems to have been simplified with some info left out. But
> maybe my memory fails me ...
> 
> My recollection is that in addition to configuring adzapper,
> one must also configure ones browser to use it. I think I
> need to know the IP address and port number that is providing
> the adzapper service. Of course I know the IP address. But
> what is the default port number used by adzapper. Googling
> gives the answer 8080 but that doesn't work, and I recall
> that the old instructions had some information on how to
> change from the default to this value. But I can't find any
> information about port number, neither what is the default,
> nor how to change it. Where is this now? -- in either
> Wheezy or Squeeze?

Yes (and Lenny)

> 
> TIA
> 
> 
adzapper is in the main debian repositories:-
#apt-get adzapper
Note: I believe it requires squid

I'd recommend using adblock-plus instead - you can either install it as
an add-on/extension for Iceweasel/Firefox or from Debian:-
#apt-get xul-ext-adblock-plus

Note: adblock-plus requires only that you use Konqueror or Iceweasel,
and that you select a filter source from a drop-down list (that appears
in the web page which will load the first time you start your browser
after installing).

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Re: Cmake on Knoppix

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 4:56 PM, John Culleton  wrote:

Knoppix is a Debian derivative so I am asking here. I want to compile
> svn versions of programs such as Scribus. Scribus has switched from
> conventional ./configure, make, make install sequence to a cmake based
> system. I can't seem to be able to download cmake using apt-get. Is it
> cataloged under another name?
> --
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> http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html


A quick search revealed this ...

root@debian:~# aptitude search cmake
p   cmake   - a
cross-platform, open-source make system
p   cmake-curses-gui- curses
based user interface for CMake (ccmake)
p   cmake-data  - CMake
data files (modules, templates and documentation)
p   cmake-dbg   -
debugging symbols for CMake
p   cmake-doc   -
extended documentation in various formats for CMake
v   cmake-gui   -
p   cmake-qt-gui- Qt4
based user interface for CMake (cmake-gui)
p   icmake  -
Intelligent C-like MAKEr, or the ICce MAKE utility
p   icmake-doc  -
Documenation files for icmake
root@debian:~# aptitude download cmake
Get:1 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing/main cmake amd64 2.8.4+dfsg.1-2
[4,247 kB]
Fetched 4,247 kB in 13s (325 kB/s)
root@debian:~#


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Cmake on Knoppix

[John Culleton]

Knoppix is a Debian derivative so I am asking here. I want to compile 
svn versions of programs such as Scribus. Scribus has switched from 
conventional ./configure, make, make install sequence to a cmake based 
system. I can't seem to be able to download cmake using apt-get. Is it 
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Re: Squeeze, GPT, GRUB2 and Software RAID1

[Tom H]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:
>
> I have 2 disk Western Digital WD2002FAEX - 2TB and I want to install Squeeze
> with software RAID 1 and GPT instead of old MSDOS partition map.
>
> I want to use GRUB2 as boot loader, but I read that is needed to be created
> a BIOS Boot Partition.[1]
>
> I have 2 disk and I want when one of them fail to be possible to boot from
> another.
>
> My question is - Will installer, GRUB2 and Squeeze handle synchronization of
> BIOS Boot Partition on both disks or I have to do it manually and eventually
> how to do it manually ?

I've found that you have to format your disks before the install (and
create a bios_grub partition) and you then have to run "grub-install
/dev/sdb" once you're booted into your install.

You can probably install grub on both disks by refusing to install to
the MBR and then installing it to (hd0) and (hd1) but I've never tried
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Re: Serial Connection

[Stan Hoeppner]

Stephen Powell put forth on 3/27/2011 1:41 PM:

> That's true.  But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem
> not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR
> and also crosses over RTS and CTS.  Ground, of course, is wired
> to Ground.  CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the
> interface (on both sides).  RI is usually left unconnected.

For attaching a terminal all you need to connect are pins 2, 3, and 7 on
a DB25, or 2, 3, and 5 on a DB9.  Reverse 2,3 on one end of each cable
to get your x-over.  All the other pins are for modems only and are not
used for terminal connections.  Serial printers only need 2, 3, 7 as well.

At a previous job about 13 years ago I made so damn many of these serial
x-over cables, daily, that "2, 3, 7" intruded on my dreams...

We bought DB25 plugs in bags of 100, and used spooled CAT5 as the noise
rejection is many times that of CAT3, allowing greater distances across
sprawling warehouses.  We'd drop an ethernet->serial terminal server in
each building and then run our custom RJ45 to DB25 cables to the
terminals.  The terminal servers had RJ45 jacks for density.  We used 16
and 48 port models.  Can't recall the brand, been too long (thank God).

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Re: APT gone nuts

[Michael Thompson]

On 27 March 2011 15:35, Brian  wrote:
> On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 12:37:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:
>
>> Most of them, even with my limited linux knowledge are fairly
>> important. Why has apt started to ask to remove these packages, and
>> how can I get apt to forget about them?
>
> Have you removed the gnome metapackage? Reinstall it. Otherwise I have
> a feeling you have to mark all those packages as manually installed.

I removed nothing, only installed a few packages.

I removed the packages using apt-get autoremove, and then reinstalled
the gnome desktop using tasksel.

I had to reconfigure network-manager etc, but it all appears to be
working fine now


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Re: Inkscape error

[Marcelo Laia]

2011/3/27 Chris Brennan :
> I am going to take a stab in the dark here and ask, are you by any chance
> mixing stable/testing in sources.list?

No. I mixed testing/unstable.

I solved it reinstall inkscape.

Thank you very much!

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Re: Inkscape error

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Marcelo Laia  wrote:

2011/3/27 Chris Brennan :
> > I would install -0.1-1
>
> There are some thing wrong here!
>
> -0.1-1 version of libwpg isn't in testing repositories. So, how
> inkscape in testing flavor needs this version?
>
> But, I downloaded libwpg-0.1-1 from stable and instal it manually.
>
> Now, inkscape tell me other shared lib that is on stable repositories too!
>
> inael@inael:~/Downloads$ inkscape
> inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libwpd-0.8.so.8:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> inael@inael:~/Downloads$
>
> inael:/home/inael# aptitude search libwpd
> i A libwpd-0.9-9- Library for handling WordPerfect
> documents
> i   libwpd-dev  - Library for handling WordPerfect
> documents
> p   libwpd-doc  - Library for handling WordPerfect
> documents
> p   libwpd-tools- Tools from libwpd for converting
> WordPerfe
> c   libwpd8c2a  - Library for handling WordPerfect
> documents
> inael:/home/inael#
>
> inkscape in testing have dependencies that are only in stable repositories!
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Marcelo
>

I am going to take a stab in the dark here and ask, are you by any chance
mixing stable/testing in sources.list?

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Re: Inkscape error

[Marcelo Laia]

2011/3/27 Chris Brennan :
> I would install -0.1-1

There are some thing wrong here!

-0.1-1 version of libwpg isn't in testing repositories. So, how
inkscape in testing flavor needs this version?

But, I downloaded libwpg-0.1-1 from stable and instal it manually.

Now, inkscape tell me other shared lib that is on stable repositories too!

inael@inael:~/Downloads$ inkscape
inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libwpd-0.8.so.8:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
inael@inael:~/Downloads$

inael:/home/inael# aptitude search libwpd
i A libwpd-0.9-9- Library for handling WordPerfect documents
i   libwpd-dev  - Library for handling WordPerfect documents
p   libwpd-doc  - Library for handling WordPerfect documents
p   libwpd-tools- Tools from libwpd for converting WordPerfe
c   libwpd8c2a  - Library for handling WordPerfect documents
inael:/home/inael#

inkscape in testing have dependencies that are only in stable repositories!

Thank you very much!

Marcelo


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Re: Inkscape error

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/27/2011 02:08 PM, Marcelo Laia wrote:
[snip]


inael:/home/inael# aptitude search libwpg
c   libwpg-0.1-1- WordPerfect graphics import/convert librar


But you don't appear to have libwpg-0.1 installed (correctly).

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Re: Inkscape error

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Marcelo Laia  wrote:

2011/3/27 Chris Brennan :
> > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Marcelo Laia 
> wrote:
> >
> > rebuild/reinstall the missing library and then try inkscape again
> > root@debian:~# aptitude search libwpg
> > p   libwpg-0.2- - WordPerfect graphics
> > p   libwpg-dev  - WordPerfect graphics
> > p   libwpg-doc  - WordPerfect graphics
> > p   libwpg-tool - Tools from libwpg for
> > root@debian:~#
> > At a minimum you should need libwpg-0.2 and libwpg-dev, although -tool
> and
> > -doc can't hurt if you have the space to spare.
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I already have this ones installed!
>
> inael:/home/inael# aptitude search libwpg
> c   libwpg-0.1-1- WordPerfect graphics import/convert
> librar
> i A libwpg-0.2-2- WordPerfect graphics import/convert
> librar
> i   libwpg-dev  - WordPerfect graphics import/convert
> librar
> p   libwpg-doc  - WordPerfect graphics import/convert
> librar
> i   libwpg-tools- Tools from libwpg for converting WP
> Graphi
> inael:/home/inael#
>
> Any other help?
>
> Marcelo
>

Given the fact of the original error,

marcella@inael:~$ inkscape
inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libwpg-0.1.so.1:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
marcella@inael:~$

I would install -0.1-1


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System unbootable

[Steffan Harris]

Hi,

I followed instructions at http://dendiz.com/blog/?p=138 on my MacBook Pro
7,1 running Debian Squeeze. Installing ndiswrapper seemed to do something to
my kernal... after a reboot my system goes through GRUB but then comes up
with:

Setting parameters of disk: none
Setting preliminary keycap: done
Activating swap… done
Checking root file system… fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16.2
/dev/sda3: clean, 154353/11739136 files, 6058946/46948242 blocks
done.
Cleaning up ifupdown…
Setting up networking….
Loading kernal modules… [16.584261] firewire_sbp2: fw1.0: orb reply timed
out, rcode=0x11
[16.593534] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[16.593587] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[16.598551] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[16.598601] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[21.381619] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[21.381649] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through

[77.311460] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 61s! [modprobe:1117]
udev[464]: worker [1156] unexpectedly returned with status 0x0100

udevd[464]: worker[1156] failed while handling
'/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.2/:04:00.0/fw1/fw1.0/host2/target2:0:0:0/2:0:0:0/block/sdb'

I don't know what has happened to my system and whether it can be recovered
or not... and can I access any system logs for further information?

Steffan

Re: Inkscape error

[Marcelo Laia]

2011/3/27 Chris Brennan :
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Marcelo Laia  wrote:
>
> rebuild/reinstall the missing library and then try inkscape again
> root@debian:~# aptitude search libwpg
> p   libwpg-0.2- - WordPerfect graphics
> p   libwpg-dev  - WordPerfect graphics
> p   libwpg-doc  - WordPerfect graphics
> p   libwpg-tool - Tools from libwpg for
> root@debian:~#
> At a minimum you should need libwpg-0.2 and libwpg-dev, although -tool and
> -doc can't hurt if you have the space to spare.


Hi Chris,

I already have this ones installed!

inael:/home/inael# aptitude search libwpg
c   libwpg-0.1-1- WordPerfect graphics import/convert librar
i A libwpg-0.2-2- WordPerfect graphics import/convert librar
i   libwpg-dev  - WordPerfect graphics import/convert librar
p   libwpg-doc  - WordPerfect graphics import/convert librar
i   libwpg-tools- Tools from libwpg for converting WP Graphi
inael:/home/inael#

Any other help?

Marcelo


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Re: Inkscape error

[Chris Brennan]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Marcelo Laia  wrote:

Hi,
>
> I try to load inkscape, but I got this error:
>
> marcella@inael:~$ inkscape
> inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libwpg-0.1.so.1:
> cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> marcella@inael:~$
>
> I have googled, but not found any help.
>
> Could you help me?
>
> Tank you very much
>
> Marcelo


rebuild/reinstall the missing library and then try inkscape again

root@debian:~# aptitude search libwpg
p   libwpg-0.2- - WordPerfect graphics
p   libwpg-dev  - WordPerfect graphics
p   libwpg-doc  - WordPerfect graphics
p   libwpg-tool - Tools from libwpg for
root@debian:~#

At a minimum you should need libwpg-0.2 and libwpg-dev, although -tool and
-doc can't hurt if you have the space to spare.

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Inkscape error

[Marcelo Laia]

Hi,

I try to load inkscape, but I got this error:

marcella@inael:~$ inkscape
inkscape: error while loading shared libraries: libwpg-0.1.so.1:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
marcella@inael:~$

I have googled, but not found any help.

Could you help me?

Tank you very much

Marcelo


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Re: Serial Connection

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT), ow...@netptc.net wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:52:23 -0400 (EDT, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't tried this, but one thing you want to make sure of is that 
>> you use a "cross-over" cable. The serial ports on PCs have what's known 
>> as a DTE interface (Data Terminal Equipment). The serial ports on 
>> modems have what's known as a DCE interface (Data Communications 
>> Equipment). A standard serial cable is designed to connect a DTE 
>> interface to a DCE interface (i.e. a computer to a modem). 
>> What you are trying to do is connect two DTE interfaces together. 
>> For that you need to use a special serial cable called a "cross-over" 
>> cable which is specifically designed to connect a DTE interface to 
>> another DTE interface. If you try to use a regular serial cable, 
>> one designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface, it won't work. 
>> 
>> An alternative to using a cross-over cable is to use a device called 
>> a "null modem" on one end of your serial cable. A null modem attached 
>> to a standard serial cable effectively converts it into a cross-over 
>> cable. 
>> 
>> Connecting a serial printer to a computer also requires a cross-over 
>> cable or a standard cable plus a null modem, since both devices have 
>> a DTE interface. 
>> 
>> You also might have to use two cables and two serial ports. One serial 
>> port looks like a modem, with you as the terminal. minicom 
>> allocates it. The other serial port looks like a serial console, 
>> with you as the host. getty allocates it. The other server sees 
>> a similar pattern. 
> 
> There's usually more than crossing Transmit Data and Receive Data.
> There are at least two control signals that are applicable.
> Usually one "borrows" what is known as a break-out box to determine
> which signals each side of the interface are active.  There are
> lots of good googles for RS-232 that will help.

That's true.  But a properly-wired cross-over cable or null modem
not only crosses over TD and RD but also crosses over DTR and DSR
and also crosses over RTS and CTS.  Ground, of course, is wired
to Ground.  CD is normally tied to DSR on the same side of the
interface (on both sides).  RI is usually left unconnected.

See, for example,

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D9_Null_Modem_Wiring.png

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Re: Cannot update wheezy

[Wayne Topa]

On 03/27/2011 11:43 AM, Ｍark Fletcher wrote:

For over a week now I've been unable to upgrade wheezy. I do aptitude
update as root, which is fine, then also as root do aptitude
safe-upgrade. When I do that, it says "resolving dependencies" and the
open and closed statistics start going up. Right now open is at about
34000 and closed is at 29000. Defer is at 329 and conflict is at 62. It
just sits there with open and closed ticking steadily up, and never
seems to finish.

This doesn't feel right to me. I am not sure what else to post in the
way of info as aptitude doesn't even get to the stage of producing
interesting output before going into this endless-looking process if
ostensibly resolving dependencies. Could my system's notion of package
relationships have got messed up somehow, and if so how can I clean it
up? Any help appreciated.

Machine is self-built intel core i7 920 with 8Gb of Ram and an nVidia
GeForce 9800 GTX+ based graphics card. It's about 2 years old. I
originally installed squeeze which had recently gone into Testing at the
time, and upgraded using aptitude full-upgrade to wheezy shortly after
squeeze became stable. Since upgrading, for a few weeks, everything was
fine until about a week ago when I noticed I couldn't update as
described above. I left it for a week thinking it was a package
dependency prob that would fix itself eventually, but it doesn't seem to
be doing so.

Any help appreciated.

Mark



Mark

  Give 'aptitude -f install' a try.  Thats how I got it going, finally. 
 Now the updates/upgrades work as usual.


HTH
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Re: Cannot update wheezy

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT), Mark Fletcher wrote:
>
> For over a week now I've been unable to upgrade wheezy. I do aptitude  
> update as root, which is fine, then also as root do aptitude safe- 
> upgrade. When I do that, it says "resolving dependencies" and the open  
> and closed statistics start going up. Right now open is at about 34000  
> and closed is at 29000. Defer is at 329 and conflict is at 62. It just  
> sits there with open and closed ticking steadily up, and never seems  
> to finish.
> 
> This doesn't feel right to me. I am not sure what else to post in the  
> way of info as aptitude doesn't even get to the stage of producing  
> interesting output before going into this endless-looking process if  
> ostensibly resolving dependencies. Could my system's notion of package  
> relationships have got messed up somehow, and if so how can I clean it  
> up? Any help appreciated.
> 
> Machine is self-built intel core i7 920 with 8Gb of Ram and an nVidia  
> GeForce 9800 GTX+ based graphics card. It's about 2 years old. I  
> originally installed squeeze which had recently gone into Testing at  
> the time, and upgraded using aptitude full-upgrade to wheezy shortly  
> after squeeze became stable. Since upgrading, for a few weeks,  
> everything was fine until about a week ago when I noticed I couldn't  
> update as described above. I left it for a week thinking it was a  
> package dependency prob that would fix itself eventually, but it  
> doesn't seem to be doing so.
> 
> Any help appreciated.

Mark,

I had the same problem about a week ago.  The solution is to do
a full-upgrade instead of a safe-upgrade.  The problem is caused by
libre-office packages taking the place of open-office packages.
full-upgrade allows packages to be deleted, safe-upgrade does not.
With full-upgrade the dependencies can be resolved by giving permission
to delete a couple of open office packages that are functionally
replaced by a couple of libre office packages, IIRC.

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Re: APT gone nuts

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/27/2011 09:35 AM, Brian wrote:

On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 12:37:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:


Most of them, even with my limited linux knowledge are fairly
important. Why has apt started to ask to remove these packages, and
how can I get apt to forget about them?


Have you removed the gnome metapackage? Reinstall it. Otherwise I have
a feeling you have to mark all those packages as manually installed.



Right. apt is just saying "I don't need them.  You can delete them *if 
you want to*.


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Re: update KDE

[tv.deb...@googlemail.com]

27/03/2011 19:21, darkestkhan wrote:
> 2011/3/27 hamed hosseini :
>> how can i update gnome to KDE in debian 6?
>>
> 
> I wouldn't call it update but I'm guessing that you want to install
> KDE this one should work:
> 
> apt-get install kde
> 
> darkestkhan
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> May The Source be with You.
> 
> 

"kde-plasma-desktop" is good for a minimal experience,"kde",
"kde-standard" or "kde-full" for a more complete experience.

You can keep kde and gnome at the same time, just choose the desktop
environment at login time. You need only one login manager, either gdm
(gnome) or kdm (kde).

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Re: update KDE

[darkestkhan]

2011/3/27 hamed hosseini :
> how can i update gnome to KDE in debian 6?
>

I wouldn't call it update but I'm guessing that you want to install
KDE this one should work:

apt-get install kde

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iinstallation of Debian 6

[darkestkhan]

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From: anderson raymond 
Date: 2011/3/26
Subject: installation of Debian 6
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Dear Sir/Madam
When I installed Debian 6 using the win32 loader, everything seems all right,
then the system reboot, but stop at the following phrase.
>waiting for /dev to to fully populated.
Would you please give me some advice what is going on?
Regards,
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I'm sure it was meant to the debian-user list, and not to me. As I'm
not sure what exactly is going on I'm forwarding.

My _guess_ is it is problem with drivers or hardware. Some additional
information about your system configuration would be helpful.


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Autodetect proxy not working in Iceweasel

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi all!

I just installed Squid on a host of my house with Debian Squeeze. Then I
added in my DHCP server the following configuration options:

option wpad code 252 = text;
option wpad "http://wpad.freesoftware/proxy.pac\n";;


I also created a hard link to the file proxy.pac. The name of the hard
link is wpad.dat. wpad.freesoftware has an entry in my DNS server and
both files are accessible from the local network.

I was testing from Debian Lenny using Konqueror 3.5.9 and in Settings ->
Configure Konqueror -> Proxy category, I selected the option to
automatically detect proxy settings. After that, according to the Squid
logs, Konqueror passes through the proxy.

In Iceweasel 3.0.6 I tried to do the same by going to Edit -> Preference
-> Advanced -> Network -> Settings -> Auto-Detect proxy settings for
this network, but It doesn't work. In fact, I'm not seeing in the Apache
logs any GET to wpad.dat or proxy.pac files from Iceweasel.

I'll be missing some other configuration to the DHCP server or Apache VH 
to serve this files to Iceweasel?



Thanks in advance for your replies.

Regards,
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Re: adzapper help needed

[Paul E Condon]

On 20110327_194800, hamed hosseini wrote:
> i am new,what is adzapper?
> 

[snip...]


Adzapper is a filter that removes advertisements from the pages that you
browse on the internet. I remember that I liked it because it could be 
used with any and all web browsers and I am always searching and hoping
for a better browser. In this current situation, I want to use it with
Google Chromium ... will it really get rid of the ads???

Adzapper is packaged in Debian repository. But I am having some difficulty
with the currently available documentation.


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Cannot update wheezy

[Ｍark Fletcher]

For over a week now I've been unable to upgrade wheezy. I do aptitude  
update as root, which is fine, then also as root do aptitude safe- 
upgrade. When I do that, it says "resolving dependencies" and the open  
and closed statistics start going up. Right now open is at about 34000  
and closed is at 29000. Defer is at 329 and conflict is at 62. It just  
sits there with open and closed ticking steadily up, and never seems  
to finish.


This doesn't feel right to me. I am not sure what else to post in the  
way of info as aptitude doesn't even get to the stage of producing  
interesting output before going into this endless-looking process if  
ostensibly resolving dependencies. Could my system's notion of package  
relationships have got messed up somehow, and if so how can I clean it  
up? Any help appreciated.


Machine is self-built intel core i7 920 with 8Gb of Ram and an nVidia  
GeForce 9800 GTX+ based graphics card. It's about 2 years old. I  
originally installed squeeze which had recently gone into Testing at  
the time, and upgraded using aptitude full-upgrade to wheezy shortly  
after squeeze became stable. Since upgrading, for a few weeks,  
everything was fine until about a week ago when I noticed I couldn't  
update as described above. I left it for a week thinking it was a  
package dependency prob that would fix itself eventually, but it  
doesn't seem to be doing so.


Any help appreciated.

Mark

Re: need help with adzapper

[Paul E Condon]

On 20110327_093735, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I'm running Squeeze. I've used adzapper in the long ago past, but I can't
> get in running with iceweasel now. My problem is really with iceweasel,
> I think. I recall that I have to configure my browser to 'point to' adzapper.
> This involves giving the IP address AND the port # for adzapper. I know
> the IP address, but I can't find any mention of the port number in the
> doc.s and don't know how to discover the correct value. 
> 
> Also I think I should be able to configure a port number of my own chosing,
> but I can't find any config file documentation that describes how (or
> even the file name to use).
> 
> TIA

Sorry about duplicate posts, but I am also having problems with my config
of exim4 connection to my ISP smarthost. It has been working for many 
months, but something about how I transitioned to Squeeze/Wheezy bollixed
it up.

But seeing these two emails on the list gives me hope that I have whacked
that mole. Unfortunately, I think there may be half a dozen more emails
lurking wherever misconfigured exim4 sent them. Please be patient.



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update KDE

[hamed hosseini]

how can i update gnome to KDE in debian 6?

Re: Serial Connection

[owens]

- Original Message -
From: Stephen Powell 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: 3/26/2011 10:52:23 PM
Subject: Serial Connection


On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 at 17:45:17 +0100, MAROUNI Abbass wrote: 
> 
> I have two servers with Debian Lenny installed. 
> 
> The two servers have a serial cable connected form Stty0 on Server0 
> to Stty1 on Server1. I can use minicom to log into Server0, but when 
> I try to login to Server1 from Server0 using minicom I get some garbage 
> and I can't type anything with the keyboard. 
> 
> Any Ideas?? 

I haven't tried this, but one thing you want to make sure of is that 
you use a "cross-over" cable. The serial ports on PCs have what's known 
as a DTE interface (Data Terminal Equipment). The serial ports on 
modems have what's known as a DCE interface (Data Communications 
Equipment). A standard serial cable is designed to connect a DTE 
interface to a DCE interface (i.e. a computer to a modem). 
What you are trying to do is connect two DTE interfaces together. 
For that you need to use a special serial cable called a "cross-over" 
cable which is specifically designed to connect a DTE interface to 
another DTE interface. If you try to use a regular serial cable, 
one designed to connect a DTE interface to a DCE interface, it won't work. 

An alternative to using a cross-over cable is to use a device called 
a "null modem" on one end of your serial cable. A null modem attached 
to a standard serial cable effectively converts it into a cross-over 
cable. 

Connecting a serial printer to a computer also requires a cross-over 
cable or a standard cable plus a null modem, since both devices have 
a DTE interface. 

You also might have to use two cables and two serial ports. One serial 
port looks like a modem, with you as the terminal. minicom 
allocates it. The other serial port looks like a serial console, 
with you as the host. getty allocates it. The other server sees 
a similar pattern. 

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There's usually more than crossing Transmit Data and Receive Data.  There are 
at least two control signals that are applicable.  Usually one "borrows" what 
is known as a break-out box to determine which signals each side of the 
interface are active.  There are lots of good googles for RS-232 that will help.

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Re: Upgrade to Squeeze and KDE

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, all!

On Saturday, 19 March 2011 18:32:56 -0400,
John A. Sullivan III wrote:

> > After updating my hosts in my house to the new stable, Debian
> > Squeeze, I'm thinking of upgrading my desktop to Squeeze.
> > 
> > With my hosts with Lenny in general, except for some things,
> > everything was working after upgrading to Squeeze, but I worry that
> > something is broken in the upgrade from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.4, as this
> > PC is used to study and work and I wish the minimal downtime.
> > 
> > I wonder what experiences you had to update KDE and its applications
> > to new versions of Squeeze and the considerations to keep in mind
> > throughout this process.

> 
> We decided that, for our specific purposes, KDE4 was not quite ready.
> Thus, we migrated to Squeeze plus Trinity as the maintained and
> actively developed successor to KDE3 -
> http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net  We have been quite pleased - John

Thank you all for your comments. These days I have not had enough time
to sit quiet for upgrading, but when I do it, I will tell you the
results.

Regards,
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Re: boot loader

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 26 mar 11, 14:30:13, shawn wilson wrote:
> >
> > You can fix it with ms-sys[1] from System Rescue CD[2]
> >
> > [1] http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
> 
> i'll have to try this. the sourceforge page says that it works on
> fat32. however, freshmeat has a changelog that seems to indicate it
> works on vista/7 which (i hope) also means it works with xp (or any
> other ntfs based system).
 
Worked for me on Windows XP.

> > [2] http://www.sysresccd.org/
> 
> heh, still haven't gone to the store to get media (which is why i
> haven't tried anything else yet). i'm sorta hoping that #1 will make
> it so that i don't have to go to the store :)

You can put it on a USB stick. Just loop-mount the iso somewhere (but 
not on /mnt) and run the script in the root directory.

HTH,
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need help with adzapper

[Paul E Condon]

I'm running Squeeze. I've used adzapper in the long ago past, but I can't
get in running with iceweasel now. My problem is really with iceweasel,
I think. I recall that I have to configure my browser to 'point to' adzapper.
This involves giving the IP address AND the port # for adzapper. I know
the IP address, but I can't find any mention of the port number in the
doc.s and don't know how to discover the correct value. 

Also I think I should be able to configure a port number of my own chosing,
but I can't find any config file documentation that describes how (or
even the file name to use).

TIA


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Re: adzapper help needed

[hamed hosseini]

i am new,what is adzapper?

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

> I've used adzapper long ago, but stopped using it long ago,
> and forgotten why I stopped. Now I want to use it again
> on a computer running Wheezy, but I can't find information
> on how to configure my browser. The Debian documentation
> seems to have been simplified with some info left out. But
> maybe my memory fails me ...
>
> My recollection is that in addition to configuring adzapper,
> one must also configure ones browser to use it. I think I
> need to know the IP address and port number that is providing
> the adzapper service. Of course I know the IP address. But
> what is the default port number used by adzapper. Googling
> gives the answer 8080 but that doesn't work, and I recall
> that the old instructions had some information on how to
> change from the default to this value. But I can't find any
> information about port number, neither what is the default,
> nor how to change it. Where is this now? -- in either
> Wheezy or Squeeze?
>
> TIA
>
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adzapper help needed

[Paul E Condon]

I've used adzapper long ago, but stopped using it long ago,
and forgotten why I stopped. Now I want to use it again
on a computer running Wheezy, but I can't find information
on how to configure my browser. The Debian documentation
seems to have been simplified with some info left out. But
maybe my memory fails me ...

My recollection is that in addition to configuring adzapper,
one must also configure ones browser to use it. I think I
need to know the IP address and port number that is providing
the adzapper service. Of course I know the IP address. But
what is the default port number used by adzapper. Googling
gives the answer 8080 but that doesn't work, and I recall
that the old instructions had some information on how to
change from the default to this value. But I can't find any
information about port number, neither what is the default,
nor how to change it. Where is this now? -- in either
Wheezy or Squeeze?

TIA


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Re: 2 sample questions

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 18:48:33 +0430, hamed hosseini wrote:

> brian how can do thar ,without os-prober package,or how can install
> os-prober,i need easy way,i am new in debian

Have you got a file named 30_otheros in /etc/grub.d? Move that to
09_otheros and you will not need os-prober.


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Re: APT gone nuts

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 12:37:51 +0100, Michael Thompson wrote:

> Most of them, even with my limited linux knowledge are fairly
> important. Why has apt started to ask to remove these packages, and
> how can I get apt to forget about them?

Have you removed the gnome metapackage? Reinstall it. Otherwise I have
a feeling you have to mark all those packages as manually installed.


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Squeeze, GPT, GRUB2 and Software RAID1

[Georgi Naplatanov]

Hello everybody.

I have 2 disk Western Digital WD2002FAEX - 2TB and I want to install 
Squeeze with software RAID 1 and GPT instead of old MSDOS partition map.


I want to use GRUB2 as boot loader, but I read that is needed to be 
created a BIOS Boot Partition.[1]


I have 2 disk and I want when one of them fail to be possible to boot 
from another.


My question is - Will installer, GRUB2 and Squeeze handle 
synchronization of BIOS Boot Partition on both disks or I have to do it 
manually and eventually how to do it manually ?


[1] - http://grub.enbug.org/BIOS_Boot_Partition


Regards
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Re: 2 sample questions

[hamed hosseini]

thanks

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Estelmann, Christian
wrote:

>  Install it with 'apt-get install os-prober'.
>
> I only have installed Debian on my subnotebook, so I can not try it...
> But if you are having a file with something like windows as name in
> /etc/grub.d/ just rename ist to something like 09_windows, like I have
> written before about the os-prober.
>
>
> Am 27.03.2011 16:18, schrieb hamed hosseini:
>
> brian how can do thar ,without os-prober package,or how can install
> os-prober,i need easy way,i am new in debian
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Brian  wrote:
>
>> On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 14:59:41 +0200, Estelmann, Christian wrote:
>>
>> > 2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run
>> update-grub2.
>> > os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux
>>
>>  This will only work if the os-prober package has been installed. A
>> default Debian installation doesn't have it.
>>
>>

Re: 2 sample questions

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 17:20:53 +0430, hamed hosseini wrote:

> 2.how can i edit GRUB BOOT,(i have 2 os,win 7 and debian),i want win7 is
> first,and debian is secon?

1. Open the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg. The command

less /boot/grub/grub.cfg

   in a terminal would do it.

2. Find lines which begin with the word "menuentry" and look for one
   which is do with Windows. e.g. "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)"

3. Copy that. Just the bit between "menuentry" and the "{".

4. Open the file /etc/default/grub in an editor. The command

nano /etc/default/grub

   would do it.

5. Replace the line

GRUB_DEFAULT=0

   with

GRUB_DEFAULT="what_you_copied_from_grub.cfg"

   e.g  GRUB_DEFAULT="Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)"

6. Execute the command update-grub.


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Re: 2 sample questions

[Estelmann, Christian]

Install it with 'apt-get install os-prober'.

I only have installed Debian on my subnotebook, so I can not try it...
But if you are having a file with something like windows as name in 
/etc/grub.d/ just rename ist to something like 09_windows, like I have 
written before about the os-prober.



Am 27.03.2011 16:18, schrieb hamed hosseini:
brian how can do thar ,without os-prober package,or how can install 
os-prober,i need easy way,i am new in debian


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Brian > wrote:


On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 14:59:41 +0200, Estelmann, Christian wrote:

> 2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run
update-grub2.
> os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux

This will only work if the os-prober package has been installed. A
default Debian installation doesn't have it.

pnpdump, isapnp, and isapnp.conf

[David Baron]

With new MB, I can no longer access my older, analog phone line modem.

The isapnp startup had an older isapnp.conf file.

I assume one uses pnpdump to make a new one with the correct ISAPNP port. I 
found an address 0213 in the /proc/ioports and I seem to get a sensible conf 
file using this. However, when running isapnp startup, it kicks at that port, 
cannot execute the READPORT 0x0213, no further action. (I had the same error 
on the old file that had 273 instead.)

1. Should I even need this?
2. Am I missing something here?
3. lshal shows the card on the appropriate /dev/ttyS2 with its interupt 12.
4. I was not successful with a newer PCI modem either.

The MB is a huge and costly one with a pentium-4 dual core 3ghz with pc-
express Nvidia graphics interface, PCI slots and two legacy ISA. Rare bird 
nowadays. Everything else Debian seems to run no problem.


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Re: 2 sample questions

[hamed hosseini]

brian how can do thar ,without os-prober package,or how can install
os-prober,i need easy way,i am new in debian

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Brian  wrote:

> On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 14:59:41 +0200, Estelmann, Christian wrote:
>
> > 2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run
> update-grub2.
> > os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux
>
> This will only work if the os-prober package has been installed. A
> default Debian installation doesn't have it.
>
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Re: 2 sample questions

[Brian]

On Sun 27 Mar 2011 at 14:59:41 +0200, Estelmann, Christian wrote:

> 2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run update-grub2.
> os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux

This will only work if the os-prober package has been installed. A
default Debian installation doesn't have it.


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APT gone nuts

[Michael Thompson]

I just re-installed debian from scratch, and ran a few installs via
apt-get. All of a sudden, apt splurts this out

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
ssmtp is already the newest version.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  mesa-utils python-bugbuddy xdg-user-dirs-gtk libpcsclite1 usb-modeswitch
  geoclue gtk2-engines-smooth dnsmasq-base tomboy python-evolution ekiga
  libmono-security2.0-cil update-notifier-common libgnome-bluetooth7
  libndesk-dbus1.0-cil libmtp8 libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil gcalctool
  libopal3.6.8 gnome-backgrounds telepathy-gabble gnome-search-tool
  libmono-system2.0-cil tcptraceroute update-notifier baobab
  libfreerdp-plugins-standard python-mako hamster-applet network-manager-gnome
  libsrtp0 gnome-system-log gucharmap libdiscid0 geoclue-localnet gnome-games
  obexd-client cheese gdebi libgpod-common obex-data-server
  libgnomepanel2.24-cil libmono-corlib2.0-cil cli-common rhythmbox libnm-util1
  libtelepathy-farsight0 libmono-cairo2.0-cil libgexiv2-0 empathy-common
  libcheese-gtk18 geoclue-yahoo libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil libgstfarsight0.10-0
  usb-modeswitch-data gnome-themes-extras mobile-broadband-provider-info
  evolution-exchange libpcap0.8 transmission-gtk libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil
  libapr1 guile-1.8-libs update-manager-gnome seahorse empathy
  libchamplain-0.4-0 xdg-user-dirs gdebi-core gvfs-bin software-center
  libmono-posix2.0-cil libaprutil1-ldap mono-runtime telepathy-salut libgpod4
  bluez libmono-addins0.2-cil libgeoclue0 libgnome2.24-cil libmysqlclient16
  gnome-cards-data gnuchess-book gnome-nettool transmission-common
  gnome-codec-install gnome-screenshot shotwell update-manager-core
  gnome-games-extra-data python-webkit gconf-editor libcryptui0 simple-scan
  python-aptdaemon libclutter-gtk-0.10-0 libgee2 network-manager
  gnome-system-tools epiphany-extensions binfmt-support libnm-glib-vpn1
  python-gtkglext1 libgnome-vfs2.0-cil libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
  libtelepathy-glib0 mono-gac python-vte libnm-glib2 gnome-bluetooth
  gnome-user-share modemmanager gconf-defaults-service libglade2.0-cil
  apache2.2-bin seahorse-plugins libopenobex1 libspeexdsp1 cheese-common
  sound-juicer libart2.0-cil vino aptdaemon libglib2.0-cil mono-2.0-gac
  libgconf2.0-cil python-aptdaemon-gtk ppp tcl libapache2-mod-dnssd
  libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil wpasupplicant nautilus-sendto gedit-plugins
  libcap-ng0 liferea libpt2.6.7 remmina-plugin-rdp gnome-themes-more libnl1
  media-player-info libpq5 python-markupsafe libchamplain-gtk-0.4-0
  remmina-plugin-vnc gnome-games-data geoclue-manual libmusicbrainz3-6
  liferea-data geoclue-hostip gnome-office gnuchess libfreerdp0 libgtk2.0-cil
  libssh-4 rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins libaprutil1
  libgmime2.4-cil remmina-plugin-data mysql-common libnet1 freeglut3
  nautilus-sendto-empathy telepathy-mission-control-5 remmina python-opengl
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.

Most of them, even with my limited linux knowledge are fairly
important. Why has apt started to ask to remove these packages, and
how can I get apt to forget about them?

Thanks for any help.


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Re: 2 sample questions

[Estelmann, Christian]

Become root (for example by using the command su), then run "mv 
/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober /etc/grub.d/09_os-prober" and "update-grub2". 
Or run both commands with sudo ("sudo mv..." and "sudo update-grub2").


When executing update-grub2 all scripts in /etc/grub.d/ are executed, in 
order of their names. os-prober looks for other OS (like Win). linux is 
adding your available kernels to the list.


Am 27.03.2011 15:02, schrieb hamed hosseini:
thank you,can you explain more about question 2 about GRUB,i don't 
understand


On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Estelmann, Christian 
mailto:c.estelm...@gmx.net>> wrote:


Am 27.03.2011 14 :50, schrieb hamed hosseini:

2.how can i edit GRUB BOOT,(i have 2 os,win 7 and debian),i
want win7 is first,and debian is secon?


2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run
update-grub2.
os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux

Re: 2 sample questions

[hamed hosseini]

thank you,can you explain more about question 2 about GRUB,i don't
understand

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Estelmann, Christian
wrote:

> Am 27.03.2011 14:50, schrieb hamed hosseini:
>
>  1.how can i install firefox in debian 6?
>> 2.how can i edit GRUB BOOT,(i have 2 os,win 7 and debian),i want win7 is
>> first,and debian is secon?
>>
>
> 1. apt-get install iceweasel
> In Debian Firefox is rename to Iceweasel.
>
> 2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run update-grub2.
> os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux
>
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Re: 2 sample questions

[Estelmann, Christian]

Am 27.03.2011 14:50, schrieb hamed hosseini:

1.how can i install firefox in debian 6?
2.how can i edit GRUB BOOT,(i have 2 os,win 7 and debian),i want win7 
is first,and debian is secon? 


1. apt-get install iceweasel
In Debian Firefox is rename to Iceweasel.

2. Rename /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober to 09_os-prober. Then run update-grub2.
os-prober looks for other OS, just let it executed befor 10_linux


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Re: recover partition table

[Geronimo]

Hello,

Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:42:15 -0400 (EDT), Geronimo wrote:
> > I don't want to offend you, but all that you wrote I already
> > found from google and friends.
>
> ... But I can make some educated guesses.  For example, here's an excerpt
> from my /var/log/installer/partman file:
> ...
> The first number after "OUT" is probably the partition number.

As in my partman log there where millions of OUT - lines, I focussed to the 
lines that look quit similar to fdisk output, like:

==  ===
Model: ATA INTEL SSDSA2M040
Path: /dev/sdd
Sector size: 512
Sectors: 78165360
Sectors/track: 63
Heads: 255
Cylinders: 4865
Partition table: yes
Type: msdos
Partitions: #   id  length  typefs  pathname
(0,0,0) (0,0,62)-1  0-32255 32256   primary label   /dev/sdd-1  
(0,1,0) (2611,254,62)   1   32256-21484431359   21484399104 primary 
ext4
/dev/sdd1   
(2612,0,0)  (2612,27,38)-1  21484431360-21485322239 890880  pri/log 
free/dev/sdd-1  
(2612,27,39)(2660,173,8)2   21485322240-21884829695 399507456   
primary 
ext3/dev/sdd2   
(2660,173,9)(4865,122,56)   3   21884829696-40019951615 18135121920 
primary 
ext4/dev/sdd3   
(4865,122,57)   (4865,144,62)   -1  40019951616-40020664319 712704  pri/log 
free/dev/sdd-1  
==  ===

... and these lines confused me, as wiki said, that biggest value from chs is 
1023 - and for me the values in round brakets looked like chs values.

As I'm no hero in juggling hex numbers by mind, I wrote a little helper, that 
dumped the mbr infos.
Trying then your advice with "parted -I" I got values similar to the output of 
my dumper, but not matching the values from partman, so I came to the same 
conclusion as you - where I had to look at the man pages of parted to find a 
smaller unit than sectors.

So I added little math to my dumping tool and finally the values matched.

From manual I already read about the rescue option and as you recommended the 
same, I gave it a try.
... but I got an error, about missing or wrong label. - Huh?
Did not used any label yet.

So I added writing capabilities to my dumper and created a mbr, where I 
thought, should match. Then I wrote it to the drives mbr using dd and rebooted 
...

Voila - drive is recognized and all works well.

Thank you very much for your patience and assistance.


kind regards

Gero

P.S. on writing my dumper and checking all drives against partman log, may be 
I found a little bug from partman (don't know, whether it has any relevance):
According to wiki, head and cylinder are 0-based, whereas sector is 1-
based. So I think, a value of (0, 1, 0) as above is invalid and should not 
occure. I happen to notice 0-based sectors on every drive.


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2 sample questions

[hamed hosseini]

1.how can i install firefox in debian 6?
2.how can i edit GRUB BOOT,(i have 2 os,win 7 and debian),i want win7 is
first,and debian is secon?

Re: New debian-installation - question

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 03/26/2011 05:04 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

Hi list,

just some simple questions: I am going to create a small installations cd from
an already installed system (with my own settings). As I want it small and
secure, I do not want any logfiles on this cd. I am using bootcdwrite. So my
questions:

1.Can I use an empty /var/log/ or is it necessary, that some logfiles already
exist?

2. Same question to /var/run, /var/cache and /var/spool/: Can they be empty at
first boot?

3. Last question (maybe stupid): Can /var be empty at all or are there any
directories, which MUST exist at very first boot?

I am looking forward to your answers.

Best regards

Hans




   


I would suggest you to use a ready livecd such as GRML for example .
It is also Debian based and you can tweak it as you want - it is very 
flexible .

It uses squashfs ( at least 3 years ago)  which gives you good compression .

Best reagrds ,
Alex


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Re: debian 6 - latest release - internet connection

[Johan Scheepers]

On 03/26/2011 08:34 PM, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:

Johan Scheepers, 20.03.2011:

After installing debian 6 it was found that it prefers built in wireless
connection on my dsl.

The wire connection was inserted and available.

The wireless connection works ok at 55% but I would prefer wired connection.

Fedora, centos, mandriva prefers wired connection on installation.

Could there be a reason for debian's behaviour.

When you say "inserted and available" do you mean just plugged in, or
actually working in Debian?  Could it be that the wired ethernet card
was not recognized and/or no driver was loaded?  Does the wired
interface work if you turn off the wireless manually?



Good day,
Was installing debian 6. Went through the fases answer the questions.
It whent on and installed about 1200 files without asking the wireless 
password.

Now I think it must have used the wired connection.
When I rebooted (first reboot after install) it was found that the 
wireless connection was used.


It will not auto configure eth0. I can not manually configure eth0.
I can not answer required questions.

Point of interest. Fedora 14 and Mandriva 2010.2 was able to configure 
and use

 (1) Wired  (2) Wireless and (3) Mobile broad  on the same machine.
They are all installed on separate external USB drives on same machine..
Just switch cables to boot other distro.

When debian 5.06 was used it connected to the wired connection.
Did not upgrade (never upgrade) do fresh install always.

Something must have changed.
Thanks
Johan





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