Re: Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore

Ric Moore wrote:

> Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this.

I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives.  (Jessie,
amd64, running Xfce.)

  Jan  1 15:50:52 allegro kernel: [314184.131707] EXT4-fs (sdb1): 
mounting ext3 file system using the ext4 subsystem
  Jan  1 15:50:53 allegro kernel: [314184.560555] EXT4-fs (sdb1): 
mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
  Jan  1 15:50:53 allegro udisksd[1280]: Mounted /dev/sdb1 at 
/media/kupfer/external on behalf of uid 1000
  Jan  1 15:50:53 allegro org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor[1190]: 
index_parse.c:191: indx_parse(): error opening 
/media/kupfer/external/BDMV/index.bdmv
  Jan  1 15:50:53 allegro org.gtk.Private.UDisks2VolumeMonitor[1190]: 
index_parse.c:191: indx_parse(): error opening 
/media/kupfer/external/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv


> I'm
> finding almost zip using google. Basically, it seems automount is
> looking for something that doesn't exist. I think it's related to
> blueray but removal of libbluray rips out half the system as
> depends. Anyone have a clue towards this?

The web searches I did yesterday suggested something to do with gvfs
and/or libbluray (well, libbluray1).

Mike! I fixed the darn thing. not through any huge amount of code-fu, 
but I took a shot in the dark. I had autofs installed. Nixed that. It 
didn't seem to do anything. I installed udisks-glue, which added udisks. 
Funny that as udisk2 was already installed. When it was done installing 
my DVD automounted (and I got a popup announcing the fact!) and then VLC 
came to life and ran the DVD. (Dark Shadows!)


It seems I spend half the year enjoying autoplay of DVD's and the other 
half trying to fix it. This might be a fix for everyone else with 
automount related problems. I'm as happy as a little clam. :) Ric




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Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore

On 01/04/2015 04:57 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 01/03/2015 10:43 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:

Mike Kupfer wrote:


Ric Moore wrote:


Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this.


I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives.  (Jessie,
amd64, running Xfce.)


I filed a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774532

Thank you!! My bug-report-fu is lacking master! This happens when I try
to automount with vlc. Note, that /media/ is set
non-writable. in my case, where it uses /media/cdrom0
...which is odd as a cdrom is USUALLY non-writable but it's attempting
to find that "../BDMV/index.bdmv" file there. It must be some ruleset
set wrongly somewhere. That we certainly have in common. :) Ric



If anyone has a clue where the rule would be on the file system to 
automount a dvd would be I would appreciate being pointed in the right 
direction. I have to wonder if other problems like mounting a USB device 
would be related to trying to use a mount point that is unwritable 
and/or doesn't exist.


I hope you get feedback from your bug report, Mike. Please keep us all 
posted. :) Ric



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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save,
> pictures taken with a USB camera connected to the box.
> 
> Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of
> Gnome or KDE bloat.
> 
> Any idea, advice, etc ?

Geeqie.  No desktop environment dependency.  My system doesn't even
have one.  Just uses X and a window manager -- Openbox.  However, Geeqie
is strictly an image viewer/manager.  No drivers to mount cameras
unless your camera mounts as a mass storage device. I just use a USB
multi-card reader.  So much easier when you have lots of cameras.

B


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Re: abc notation? remains music *& debian.

2015-01-04 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 09:01:16PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Greetings,
> Let me try that door now.
> I suspect that my request sent via yahoo simply got lost in the
> holiday music making.
> If you think you can provide the nudge as well, perhaps between the
> two of us  I can join the group.
> thanks again,
> Kare

Very good! I sent a message to the group just in case, I am sure you
will be able to join the group soon


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Re: abc notation? remains music *& debian.

2015-01-04 Thread Karen Lewellen

Greetings,
Let me try that door now.
I suspect that my request sent via yahoo simply got lost in the holiday 
music making.
If you think you can provide the nudge as well, perhaps between the two of 
us  I can join the group.

thanks again,
Kare


On Mon, 5 Jan 2015, Francesco Ariis wrote:


On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 07:24:06PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi all,
When I asked about music programs for debian, a list member
suggested abc notation.
I visited the site and was amazed.  I also tried joining the
discussion list without success, timeout for my request apparently.
I am writing here again as I imagine the artist who suggested the
program is also on the list.
If so, can you connect me directly with the list moderator?
Thanks again, for that suggestion and for Joel's.
Karen


Have you tried contacting abcusers-ow...@yahoogroups.com ? I am indeed
subscribed to that list, so if even prodding the listmaster fails I
can relay your request to the group.


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Re: abc notation? remains music *& debian.

2015-01-04 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 07:24:06PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi all,
> When I asked about music programs for debian, a list member
> suggested abc notation.
> I visited the site and was amazed.  I also tried joining the
> discussion list without success, timeout for my request apparently.
> I am writing here again as I imagine the artist who suggested the
> program is also on the list.
> If so, can you connect me directly with the list moderator?
> Thanks again, for that suggestion and for Joel's.
> Karen

Have you tried contacting abcusers-ow...@yahoogroups.com ? I am indeed
subscribed to that list, so if even prodding the listmaster fails I
can relay your request to the group.


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A USB HDD is trouble outbreak in debian7.7

2015-01-04 Thread Jun Itou
I managed debian 7 by the following constitution.

  Body) I-O DATA GLANTANK 2.0TB (500GB * 4 RAID0, iop32x)
  USB1) I-O DATA HDZ-UES  2.0TB (500GB * 4 JBOD)
  USB2) I-O DATA HDZ-UES  1.0TB (250GB * 4 JBOD)
  USB3) I-O DATA HDZ-UES  1.0TB (250GB * 4 JBOD)
  USB4) I-O DATA HDW-UE   1.0TB (500GB * 2 JBOD)

After making 7.7 from debian 7.6, malfunction occurred.

  1) A sector error occurs when I do mount and becomes the lead only
  2) I fail in synchronization of the file system when I do fdisk

I gave following tests to cut a problem into pieces.

  1) I do operation same as GLANTANK in x64 environment whether it is a problem 
of the hardware.
-> Because the same problem occurs with both, it is not peculiar to 
hardware.

  2) I confirm whether it is the problem of the HDD of USB1 - 4 with the test 
tool of the HDD maker.
-> Because the HDD of all passed a test, it is not a problem of USB1 - 4.

  3) I do the same operation in Fedora whether it is a problem peculiar to 
debian.
-> Because it reappeared in Fedora, I conclude it to be a problem of kernel.

  4) I change a version of kernel on debian and do the same operation.
-> 3.2.62   : It does not reappear
   3.2.63 ~ : Reappear
   3.18.0 ~ : Reappear

  5) I report it to kernel.org and do the same operation after enforcement in 
the end run which there was of the answer.
-> Please refer to https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89511.


It is to say that my USB HDD cannot support the change of this journal function 
in conclusion.
I make kernel latest or seem to but make a USB HDD a different one if I 
continue managing it by the present constitution.

I knew that it was not developed debian 8 for GLANTANK by a document.
Because there is no help for it, I think to manage it without formating ext2, 
and using the journal function.

※In addition, one of file system is destroyed when an error happens as for this 
malfunction even once.
  I hope that it reappears and is not given a test with the contained HDD of 
important data.

※Because the funny grammar is machine translation; a pardon

That's all.


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abc notation? remains music *& debian.

2015-01-04 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi all,
When I asked about music programs for debian, a list member suggested abc 
notation.
I visited the site and was amazed.  I also tried joining the discussion 
list without success, timeout for my request apparently.
I am writing here again as I imagine the artist who suggested the program 
is also on the list.

If so, can you connect me directly with the list moderator?
Thanks again, for that suggestion and for Joel's.
Karen


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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 04 January 2015 22:01:53 Renaud  OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:15:17 -0300
>
> Marcos Toro Oyarzo  wrote:
> > > I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures
> > > taken with a USB camera connected to the box. Better obviously with a
> > > GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or KDE bloat. Any
> > > idea, advice, etc ?
> >
> > you should try cheese https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Cheese
>
> Thank you, Marcos, but I specifically excluded anything that brought Gnome
> (or KDE) bloat to my box.
>
> Cheese wants to install 49 other packages, including Nautilus...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
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>
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The Trinity Desktop version of DigiKam is great.  It pulls in less than KDE or 
GNOME, but may still be too resource hungry for you:

lisi@Tux-II:~$ aptitude show digikam-trinity
Package: digikam-trinity
New: yes
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 4:3.5.13.2-0debian7.0.0+0
Priority: optional
Section: graphics
Maintainer: Timothy Pearson 
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 22.0 M
Depends: kdelibs4c2a-trinity (>= 4:3.5.8-1), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.11), 
libexiv2-12,
 libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 
1:4.1.1),
 libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.4.10.1), libgphoto2-port0 (>= 2.4.10.1), libice6 
(>=
 1:1.0.0), libjasper1, libjpeg8 (>= 8c), libkdcraw3-trinity (>= 
4:3.5.13.2~pre9),
 libkexiv2-3-trinity (>= 4:3.5.13.2~pre9), libkipi0-trinity (>= 
4:3.5.13.2~pre9),
 liblcms1 (>= 1.15-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libqt3-mt (>= 
3:3.3.8-e~pre16),
 libsm6, libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtiff4 (> 
3.9.5-3~),
 libtqtinterface, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxft2 
(> 2.1.1),
 libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, libxt6, zlib1g (>= 
1:1.1.4)
Recommends: kipi-plugins-trinity, kdeprint-trinity, konqueror-trinity
Suggests: digikam-trinity-doc
Conflicts: digikam-trinity
Description: digital photo management application for KDE [Trinity]
 An easy to use and powerful digital photo management application, which makes 
importing,
 organizing and manipulating digital photos a "snap".

Lisi


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Re: What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?

2015-01-04 Thread Bob Proulx
Peter Michaux wrote:
> I'm thinking particularly of a personal/company repository where
> packages cannot be tested as well as they are in Debian before they
> are declared "stable" and sent to production servers. It is more
> likely for a company that a undetected problem makes it to production
> and the first person to notice is a customer. How does the company
> react in such a case so that customers are happy?

Thanks for that clarification.  In that context:

> > If the new version can be fixed? Is a fixed version added with a
> > higher number?

After fixing a problem make and release and upload to your repository
a new package with a later version number.  It will then be available
to anyone that has that repository in their sources.list file.

I can't stress this point enough.  When making a new version always
use a later version number.  Do not try to release a changed version
but with the same version number as before.  No one will think it
looks bad to have multiple versions released fixing bugs.  On the
contrary people will view that as being an alive, active project that
with support.

(And yet I routinely run into people trying to release multiple
version of the same version.  I once saw a project try to release four
versions with quick hot fixes all as the same version number.  They
were embarrased that it was needed and tried to hide it by continuing
to use the same version number.  That just creates additional
problems.  Don't do it.  Publish each version number once only.)

> > What if the new version cannot be fixed? Is the new version of the
> > package simply removed? Is an even newer version added that actually
> > matches the previous working version until bad one can be fixed and
> > added again?

Package systems used with GNU/Linux systems such as dpkg and rpm have
so far avoided the entire concept of patches.  Some other systems
release incremental changes and therefore require keeping a lot of
system information in order to upgrade or downgrade.  To avoid that
problem dpkg and rpm both package the entire thing.  They have 100% of
everything needed in one version.  Perhaps with multiple packages that
work together but all across one version of them.

When preparing a fixed package the new package is a full package
completely replacing the previous version of the package.  When we
upload a fixed version of the package the previous version may be
forgotten about.  (Although Debian keeps them archived as they are
useful for many other reasons.)

Let me show an example use case.  Living in Debian Unstable means
having both Unstable and Testing in the sources.list file.  If
something is broken in Unstable I can manually select the version from
Testing and downgrade.  In general downgrades are not supported
(config files or state files may not be forward compatible) but when
debugging a specific package I can know if downgrading will work or
not.  (If not I can always purge and then re-install pristine the
previous version and that is supported.)

If you were to release a buggy package version and I installed it and
realized that it was buggy I would manually select the previous
version and downgrade to it as part of the debugging.  This is made
easier if you keep not only the newest version around but also keep a
previous known good version around too.  If you don't then I as a
downstream user would need to do so myself.  That is a pain.  Other
users might not be savvy enough to do this for themselves.  Therefore
I recommend you helping them out by keeping a previous known good
version easily available for installation too.

Removing a package from a repository does not remove it from a user's
system.  Removing a package from a repository simply means it is no
longer available from that repository to install.  (Package files will
undoubtedly still exist elsewhere such as /var/cache/apt/archives
though.)

If it is necessary to take some emergency action such as pushing out
an upgrade that "defuses a bomb" as Henrique mentioned then it is
possible to create an empty or denatured package.  The package manage
will upgrade from the old package to the new package.  Since the bad
contents of the old package are removed and replaced with the new this
could be used to "safe" a bad package release.  I also do not recall
this ever being needed with Debian packages.

One place to be extra careful about such things is in the package
installation scripts and the prerm and postrm scripts specifically.
Don't make any hazardous mistakes there.  Otherwise someone that
simply removes the package will trip over problems in those scripts.
I do recall rare times when bugs existed there and hacks were needed
in the later package in order to take corrective action in those
scripts.  Possible to save.  But ugly.  Best is not to need them.

Package scripts is one area where dpkg is clearly superior to rpm.
The script order for rpm packages is in an unfortunate bad order.
With rpm a buggy package script may not 

Re: How to undo Java installation and settings

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore

On 01/03/2015 05:12 PM, Dalios wrote:

On 01/03/2015 08:31 PM, Ric Moore wrote:

On 01/03/2015 03:06 AM, Dalios wrote:

Hello all,

a few days ago I had to install Java in a laptop in order for a web
application to be able to function properly. I followed directions
found in the internet (mostly the debian wiki and the Adobe
download page).


It would have been far easier to use synaptic, then check the java
packages that you wanted and let it install them. A couple of minutes
later and you would have been done.

   Now I want to uninstall Java and undo all settings

to go were I was before all this got started.


It would have been just as easy to uninstall the packages with synaptic.
But, since you opted to do all of those alternatives links by hand,
you'll have to delete them yourself. What webpage provided these
instructions? :) Ric




According to the info I found on the Debian wiki the package is not
there to be installed with Synaptic: "Sun Java is no longer available in
the repositories" (wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun).


That is correct. But the regular ole icedtea package and openjdk are in 
the repos, since they are "legit" to have.



I can't find the how-to that I followed to do the installation (when I
wrote the first mail this morning I thought that it was from the Debian
wiki but since I can't find it I assume that it is from a Debian user
forum or from a Debian derivative forum or something similar).

Anyway I purged the packages that were installed and I removed the
(symbolic) links that were created with the ln command.

But there are some commands that I don't know how to "undo" and if it is
even necessary. These commands are:



If you want Oracle Java then the easiest way to do it is to use the 
Oracle Java Installer from:

http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-debian.html

It is swt! And, it correctly sets all of the alternatives and adds 
some you might not ever heard of. It is complete, works flawlessly every 
time I've used it for the last several years. Plus, it updates 
automagically when needed, the Debian way. What is installed is just a 
script (that is the legal part for Debian) and it handles downloading 
Oracle Java 7, installing it in /usr/lib/jvm where it should be, and 
then setting up alternatives. The guy that did this is sharp! He also 
has a Java 8 version, which I tried, but I settled back on 7. Enjoy! Ric





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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Ron
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:19:46 +0100
Hans  wrote:

> Maybe Camorama or GUVCView is what you are looking for. Maybe, there are some 
> commandline tools, too.

Many thanks, Camorama is exactly what I was hoping for.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Ron
On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 17:15:17 -0300
Marcos Toro Oyarzo  wrote:

> > I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures 
> > taken with a USB camera connected to the box.
> > Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome 
> > or KDE bloat.
> > Any idea, advice, etc ?

> you should try cheese https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Cheese

Thank you, Marcos, but I specifically excluded anything that brought Gnome (or 
KDE) bloat to my box.

Cheese wants to install 49 other packages, including Nautilus...
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: error opening /media/cdrom0/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv

2015-01-04 Thread Ric Moore

On 01/03/2015 10:43 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:

Mike Kupfer wrote:


Ric Moore wrote:


Trying to automount a dvd for playback and I'm seeing this.


I'm seeing these messages, too, even for removable USB drives.  (Jessie,
amd64, running Xfce.)


I filed a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774532
Thank you!! My bug-report-fu is lacking master! This happens when I try 
to automount with vlc. Note, that /media/ is set 
non-writable. in my case, where it uses /media/cdrom0
...which is odd as a cdrom is USUALLY non-writable but it's attempting 
to find that "../BDMV/index.bdmv" file there. It must be some ruleset 
set wrongly somewhere. That we certainly have in common. :) Ric




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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Javier Vasquez  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Renaud  OLGIATI
>  wrote:
>> I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures 
>> taken with a USB camera connected to the box.
>>
>> Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or 
>> KDE bloat.
>>
>> Any idea, advice, etc ?
>
> You mean, you are willing to use bloated gnome and/or kde apps?
>
> Any ways, an alternative is to have sw that mounts your camera, and
> then sw to view images once their storage is mounted.
>
> If you don't use gnome, neither gvfs (which automates mounting), what
> I recommend for mounting usb camera storage is "gphotofs", which can
> as well be auto mounted/unmounted in combination with "autofs".
>
> And for watching the pictures, there are lots of sw, and one simple
> and light one is "xzgv", or "gtksee" (I don't know if gtksee is
> abandoned these days).

Misunderstood completely, you're looking for snapshots from connected
camera, like a webcamk, :-)  My bad.

Forget what I just wrote, :-)


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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Renaud  OLGIATI
 wrote:
> I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures taken 
> with a USB camera connected to the box.
>
> Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or 
> KDE bloat.
>
> Any idea, advice, etc ?

You mean, you are willing to use bloated gnome and/or kde apps?

Any ways, an alternative is to have sw that mounts your camera, and
then sw to view images once their storage is mounted.

If you don't use gnome, neither gvfs (which automates mounting), what
I recommend for mounting usb camera storage is "gphotofs", which can
as well be auto mounted/unmounted in combination with "autofs".

And for watching the pictures, there are lots of sw, and one simple
and light one is "xzgv", or "gtksee" (I don't know if gtksee is
abandoned these days).

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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 4. Januar 2015, 17:10:04 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI:
> I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures
> taken with a USB camera connected to the box.
> 
> Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or
> KDE bloat.
> 
> Any idea, advice, etc ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ron.
Maybe Camorama or GUVCView is what you are looking for. Maybe, there are some 
commandline tools, too.

Best 

Hans 

 


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Re: USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Marcos Toro Oyarzo
you should try cheese https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Cheese

cheers,

2015-01-04 17:10 GMT-03:00 Renaud  OLGIATI :
> I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures taken 
> with a USB camera connected to the box.
>
> Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or 
> KDE bloat.
>
> Any idea, advice, etc ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
> --
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>but also of knowing what we could do and perhaps should not do.
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USB camera prog ?

2015-01-04 Thread Ron
I am looking for a prog that will display on screen, and save, pictures taken 
with a USB camera connected to the box.

Better obviously with a GUI; but I do not care to install a load of Gnome or 
KDE bloat.

Any idea, advice, etc ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?

2015-01-04 Thread Peter Michaux
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Bob Proulx  wrote:
> Peter Michaux wrote:
>> Suppose there a nice package has been in Debian stable for years. If a
>> new version is added to Debian stable and problems are discovered
>> after it is added, what happens to fix the problem?
>
> If problems are found after it has been released then file a bug
> report on it.  In dealing with the bug report judgement is applied by
> both the maintainer and the release team.
>
>> If the new version can be fixed? Is a fixed version added with a
>> higher number?
>
> Yes.  A fixed version of the package with a higher version number will
> created and uploaded to the repository.
>
>> What if the new version cannot be fixed? Is the new version of the
>> package simply removed? Is an even newer version added that actually
>> matches the previous working version until bad one can be fixed and
>> added again?
>
> Since a release has been made it cannot ever be removed from that
> release.  Once something is done it cannot be undone.  It may be
> removed in a later point release.  That will not remove it from your
> system however.
>
> These are hypothetical questions that have no answers in the
> vagueness.  Do you have an actual example?

I'm thinking particularly of a personal/company repository where
packages cannot be tested as well as they are in Debian before they
are declared "stable" and sent to production servers. It is more
likely for a company that a undetected problem makes it to production
and the first person to notice is a customer. How does the company
react in such a case so that customers are happy?

Peter


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Re: Debian right for my use?

2015-01-04 Thread Bob Proulx
Patrick Bartek wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > You are asking on a Debian user list.  Any answer other than yes here
> > would lead me to seriously question the responses.  Meanwhile I would
> > expect that a Fedora list would respond for Fedora for example and the
> > same for every other distribution's user lists.  We are all here
> > because this is where we want to be.
> 
> You certainly seem to have a low opinion of the users on this list
> (and others): That we are biased, to use the polite term; and
> incapable of offering fair recommendations.

And Miles Fidelman's response too.

It isn't a low opinion.  Quite the opposite.  But people are people
and we are enthusiastic about things.  Here on the Debian list people
are enthusiastic about Debian.  That is human nature.  We would likely
use Debian because we know it well.  If it isn't the perfect fit then
knowing it well we would work to make it into a better fit.

IMNHO the way to ask for advice like this is to have each enthusiast
group describe why they would choose their chosen whatever.  Then with
that knowledge apply your own judgement and make your own choices.

Meanwhile I see there hasn't been any updates on the status of the
VirtualBox driver for the Linux kernel.  Therefore lacking any updates
I will continue to assume that the situation there hasn't improved.

Bob


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Re: compiled php 5.5.20 throws error [RewriteRule directive is forbidden: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi]

2015-01-04 Thread Jochen Spieker
Bob:
> 
> [Thu Jan 01 09:03:22 2015] [error] [client 192.168.1.116] Options 
> FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule 
> directive is forbidden: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi

AFAICT, this error is completely unrelated to PHP. My guess would be
that Apache doesn't read your .htaccess file and your settings aren't
applied. Since you appear to have access to the Apache configuration,
you should just add the directives from the .htaccess file to the
appropriate VirtualHost section.

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Late authentication

2015-01-04 Thread August Karlstrom
I run Debian Wheezy with a simple window manager (Blackbox). If I 
remember correctly, in Ubuntu some applications like Synaptic and Update 
Manager ask for sudo password only when/if needed.


How do I configure the system so I can launch for instance Update 
Manager as normal user, check if there are any updates available and 
then provide the sudo password only if the system is to be updated? As 
Far as I understand the authentication is handled by Polkit.


Regards,
August


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Re: How to undo Java installation and settings

2015-01-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 03 January 2015 22:12:55 Dalios wrote:
> I am wondering if I should just uninstall every package with java or jre
> in its name and then just re-install one of the open-jdk or icedtea
> packages and let apt do its magic...

I'd be tempted!

Lisi


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Re: multiple versions of python

2015-01-04 Thread Cousin Stanley

> 
> 1] Can I have multiple versions of python simultaneously?
> 

  yes

  Using Debian Wheezy I have 3 python versions installed

# ls -1 /usr/lib | grep python | grep -v lib

python
python2.6
python2.7
python3
python3.2

python  is python2.7
python3 is python3.2
  
===

> 2] Is there a way to specify that one package 
> use a non-default version of python ? 
> 

  yes

  Use the specific python version name
  when starting your program

pythonX.Y /path/to/zProgram.py

  For example, I have a small program
  that only prints the current python version
  that it has been started with  

  $ python $p/amisc/version.py

  python version  2.7.3

  $ python2.6 $p/amisc/version.py

  python version  2.6.8
 
  $ python2.7 $p/amisc/version.py

  python version  2.7.3

  $ python3 $p/amisc/version.py

  python version  3.2.3

  $ python3.2 $p/amisc/version.py

  python version  3.2.3


  Using the name python is the same 
  as using the name python2.7

python2.7 is the default version

  Using the name python3 is the same
  as using the name python3.2

===

> 3] Is this a quick, straightforward install ? 
> 

  yes

  Use the Debian package manager
  to install the different python versions

  # sudo apt-get install python

  # sudo apt-get install python3

  If you start your python programs
  using specific python version names
  nothing else should be necessary 


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compiled php 5.5.20 throws error [RewriteRule directive is forbidden: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi]

2015-01-04 Thread Bob
Dear list,

I am already messed-up compiling php 5.5.20 as cgi module and seeking your kind 
guidance to put the things back on track.

I have compiled php 5.5.20 on debian (wheezy) 7.7
The objective is to allow some websites run with php 5.5.x as cgi module

The source code is located at /usr/local/src/php5-build/php-5.5.20 and compiled 
at /usr/local/bin/php-5.5.20

[...]

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/bin/php-5.5.20 
--with-config-file-path=/usr/local/bin/php-5.5.20  --enable-cgi ..


[]


A /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi has been created with following

[.]

#!/bin/sh
PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN=1
export PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN
PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS=5000
export PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS
exec /usr/local/bin/php-5.5.20/bin/php-cgi -c 
/usr/local/bin/php-5.5.20/lib/php.ini

[]


and it is able to parse php

[...]

/usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi < /var/www/testme/phpinfo.php  | grep "PHP/"

X-Powered-By: PHP/5.5.20

[...]


A /etc/apache2/php55.conf has also been created with following

[...]

ScriptAlias /php5-cgi  /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi
Action application/x-httpd-php5  /php5-cgi
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php5 .php .php5 .php4 .php3 .phtml
[.]

and included at apache2.conf

After successful restart of apache a .htaccess has been placed at the required 
web-root folder

<...>
Options +FollowSymLinks +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch

RewriteEngine On


SetHandler application/x-httpd-php5


<...>

BUT the apache error log throws error as

,

[Thu Jan 01 09:03:22 2015] [error] [client 192.168.1.116] Options 
FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule 
directive is forbidden: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php55-cgi
[Thu Jan 01 09:03:22 2015] [debug] mod_deflate.c(700): [client 192.168.1.116] 
Zlib: Compressed 287 to 219 : URL /php5-cgi/testme/phpinfo.php




Though the required modules are loaded already


# a2enmod rewrite actions fcgid

Module rewrite already enabled
Module actions already enabled
Module fcgid already enabled
'

I'm clueless, anyone Please ?


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Re: Unable to upgrade testing system

2015-01-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 08:01:36PM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 1/3/15, Siard  wrote:
> >
> > I can confirm that I have been able to fix these very problems using
> > aptitude. It was an install of jessie that had not been updated for
> > a month or two giving these errors, whereas another install of jessie
> > that had been updated regularly, did not have such problems.
> 
> 
> The successful, regularly updated one as being in incremental steps
> versus the not so regularly updated one with glitches being one facing
> a larger "step" sure stands out. I've seen the same mentioned about
> different offshoots of Debian.. Recommendations are to do baby steps
> in upgrades there..
> 

Example: Jessie's frozen not long back. There will be fewer changes but
packages are gradually updated to fix bugs / packages are removed for 
releasse critical bugs.

[Made up numbers follow]

Suppose there are 1000 fixes overall in about three months.

You have a choice of doing: 100 tiny upgrades, each fixing 10 bugs at a time.

One upgrade a week - fixing about 96 bugs a time

One upgrade a month - fixing about 330 bugs a time

One upgrade in the three month period at the end - fixing all 1000 bugs.

There is always the chance that you'll miss a package change which may break
soemthing else the longer you leave it.

if the marginal cost to you of doing the upgrades is small - you've got three 
or four
minutes to spend while your machine checks updates and installs each time -

Are you better to spend 400 - 500 minutes - 6 1/2 - 8 1/3 hours - doing 100 
tiny update checks each of which 
is likely to succeed? 

Twelve upgrades - each taking half an hour to an hour in total because it may 
take longer to download packages - 
6 - 12 hours? 

Four upgrades - each of which will take anything up to a couple of hours by the 
time they've downloaded 
the packages  / unpacked and installed them - 8 hours - 16 hours?

One upgrade, which may go well - set aside a couple of hours - or might take 
significantly longer 
and may cause problems you may have to sort out?

> People report issues regularly if they try to skip a couple major
> upgrades in between what they're using and whatever is just released.
> In that same realm, I've also seen it regularly advocated that users
> take the time and use the necessary additional resources to go through
> every other major missed release point before landing at the last,
> latest one..
> 
> I've pondered out loud about it before somewhere.. It's obvious
> something regularly doesn't cog together well somehow, but I wonder
> what. What is it that works about incremental that so regularly
> doesn't if someone for any reason misses a couple seemingly minuscule
> upgrade points in between? I wonder how we users can nail down what's
> going on to help make it occur less so forever after..
> 
> *cough-cough* #Usability *cough-cough* :)
> 
> It's good to know that Aptitude helped. It would be interesting to
> hear what Aptitude *does* do under the hood when users tell it to try
> again.. Each, our favorite package managers... they're what make
> Debian rock and roll..
> 
> Cindy :)
> 
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Re: What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?

2015-01-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > What if the new version cannot be fixed? Is the new version of the
> > package simply removed? Is an even newer version added that actually
> > matches the previous working version until bad one can be fixed and
> > added again?
> 
> Since a release has been made it cannot ever be removed from that
> release.  Once something is done it cannot be undone.  It may be
> removed in a later point release.  That will not remove it from your
> system however.

As you wrote, usually the package is just removed in the next opportunity, a
notice is posted, and it is up to the user to remove it from his system.

Some (all?) package managers can track such packages that are not any longer
in a repository.  aptitude will show them as "local packages", for example.

However, for extreme hazards, we upload a fixup (possibly "empty") package
that does whatever is required to defuse the bomb, even if it means directly
editing things in the dpkg scripts database.  This is very very rare,
though.  I cannot recall any specific instance.

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Re: What happens when a bad package is in Debian stable?

2015-01-04 Thread Jochen Spieker
Peter Michaux:
> 
> Suppose there a nice package has been in Debian stable for years. If a
> new version is added to Debian stable and problems are discovered
> after it is added, what happens to fix the problem?

The Debian release cycle does not work that way. Stable does not receive
new versions, except for security patches and fixes for important
problems in point releases. These updates are usually very small in
order to minimize the risk of regressions. If an update still introduces
a regression, there is a new update that fixes this regression. One
example: DSA 3074-1 and DSA 3074-2.

In some cases the security team decides to either drop a package
altogether or follow a version that is still maintained upstream (DSA
3064-1 for php5 and DSA 3050-1 for iceweasel).

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Re: multiple versions of python

2015-01-04 Thread Diogene Laerce

On 12/29/2014 09:17 PM, Boruch Baum wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm preparing two bug reports, and in trying to sort one of them out, it
> seems that it may be linked to an incompatibility of a script with
> python2.7 (see bug #659831). So, in test that possibility, what I would
> like to do is install some other version of python (I see 2.5 and 2.6 in
> the repositories), in order to see whether the package works with
> another version.
>
> My questions revolve around how time-consuming and worthwhile this
> exercise will be:
>
> 1] Can I have multiple versions of python simultaneously?

You should give a try to pew which gives more features than virtualenv :

https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pew/

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Re: Debian right for my use?

2015-01-04 Thread Gary Roach

On 01/02/2015 10:42 AM, John L. Ries wrote:
Debian might well work for your purposes as it's relatively easy to 
set up and has a huge software repository; but your problem appears to 
be memory.  If your CAD software was sluggish even when you were 
running Windows 7 directly, it's not going to be better when you're 
running Windows in a VM.  I'm thinking that your VM will need access 
to at *least* 10 GB of RAM and all your CPU cores (both parameters are 
user configurable). My usual rule of thumb is that there should be at 
least as much virtual memory as RAM, so you may need another hard 
drive as well (depending on how full your current one is).  In any 
case, if you're otherwise comfortable with Ubuntu, then there is no 
real need to switch, though stable releases of Debian are notoriously 
conservative, which may be a good thing in your case (as long as 
you're not looking for the latest features in the packages you install).


And you may want to try to run your CAD software in Wine (in which 
case, you'll still need to buy some more RAM).  It might work or might 
not, but if it does, then you won't need the VM which will make your 
life simpler.  And you may want to see if there is a native Linux CAD 
system that suits your purposes, as native executables will always run 
better than foreign ones, no matter what OS you're running (but I 
can't help you there as I don't do CAD).


One thing you should look at regardless is what the memory usage (real 
and virtual) is when you're running your CAD software; you're probably 
going to want at least as much physical RAM as it's using overall.


Hope it helps...

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On Wednesday 2014-12-31 21:35, Cadman wrote:


Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:35:30
From: Cadman 
To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" 
Subject: Debian right for my use?

Greetings

I need help determining whether Debian OS is the right OS for my needs.

I am a Draftsman working from home due to physical handicaps.  I use
graphic and RAM memory intensive 3D CAD software in Windows 7. My W7 OS
is operating poorly and is expensive to replace.

If Linux is right for me; I need to replace it with a 1. Very stable, 2.
With least amount of configuring and 3. User Friendly Linux OS.

A friend suggested that I replace Windows 7 with Ubuntu Trusty 14.04,
which I did.  It worked fine until I installed my 3D CAD software within
Virtual Box.  Since then Ubuntu and the software crashes often. It even
reboots instead of turning the screen black when the 10 minute screen
saver feature operates.

My PC System Info is:

BioStar A780L3C Motherboard
AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 450 Processor × 3   64 Bit
8 Gig RAM Memory
150 Gig Hard Drive

Please respond
Thank You Very Much

Dave



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I'm using an old copy of AutoCad 14 and have been a Debian user for 
years. I tried Wine and had nothing but fits with the AutoCad not 
working properly. I switched to Virtualbox with and old copy of Windows 
XP installed. I'm using Debian Wheezy at the moment and with the 
virtualbox setup am having absolutely no problems. I prefer Debian over 
Ubuntu. I think Debian is more stable. If you are into cutting edge 
software then Ubuntu might be your thing but good luck. You may need it.


Gary R


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